Who would you rather take....Champ Bailey Or Nate Clements?

If you were an NFL owner and you had the choice to either get Champ Bailey or Nate Clements (no one else, just out of the two) who would you pick after the season they had in 2006?

(Don't count the contract just the player you'd prefer because of there skill)

I'd take Champ Bailey over Clements any day. Champ Bailey has two more years experience than Clements and only one year older. Champ also is coming over his best season which includued a total of 10 interceptions. Bailey is as close to a shutdown corner as there is and makes interceptions in the clutch (in the red zone). Bailey has soild tackling skill and he seems to have entered his own level of play at cornerback being widely considered the best cornerback in the NFL.

lol.romocop33

The reason I made this thread is because SrLynx was saying Nate Clements is better than Bailey. Here is the little conversation:

[QUOTE="nygiants1080"][QUOTE="SrLynx"] Oh really! Care to elaborate more on that? Nate Clements = complete (physical) CB where as Champ Bailey = Cover Corner. In the NFL teams prefer a physical CBs.SrLynx

Link: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25419628&page=2

[QUOTE="romocop33"]lol.nygiants1080

The reason I made this thread is because SrLynx was saying Nate Clements is better than Bailey. Here is the little conversation:

[QUOTE="nygiants1080"][QUOTE="SrLynx"] Oh really! Care to elaborate more on that? Nate Clements = complete (physical) CB where as Champ Bailey = Cover Corner. In the NFL teams prefer a physical CBs.SrLynx

Link: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25419628&page=2

Champ is the best in the league and its not even close.  The better question is Boss Bailey or Nate Clements.

Champ is the best in the league and its not even close.  The better question is Boss Bailey or Nate Clements.

bunchofpixels

DeAngelo Hall, Ronde Barber, Chris McAllister are not close?

And the reason I say this thread is pointless is this topic has just been stirred up by Clements huge contract. Just because a player will be getting paid more, doesn't mean that player is better than the player that is making less.

Again, the only reason im comparing the two is because of some clown that thought Clements was better than Bailey. I know that Clements isn't even on of the top 5 DBs in the leaguenygiants1080

He's definetily a top 5 corner.......but Bailey is BY FAR the best in the league. Every team that plays the Broncos create gameplans that consist of avoiding throws to his side altogether. And when they actually DO throw to his side, it's either incomplete or intercepted.

[QUOTE="nygiants1080"]Again, the only reason im comparing the two is because of some clown that thought Clements was better than Bailey. I know that Clements isn't even on of the top 5 DBs in the leagueMiyomatic

He's definetily a top 5 corner.......but Bailey is BY FAR the best in the league. Every team that plays the Broncos create gameplans that consist of avoiding throws to his side altogether. And when they actually DO throw to his side, it's either incomplete or intercepted.

Nate Clements isn't even better than Asante Samuel, let alone the best in the business, Champ Bailey. The 49ers may end up regretting this blockbuster deal. He wasn't worth that much, they'd better pray he lives up to their lofty expectations...Eman5805

[QUOTE="Eman5805"]Nate Clements isn't even better than Asante Samuel, let alone the best in the business, Champ Bailey. The 49ers may end up regretting this blockbuster deal. He wasn't worth that much, they'd better pray he lives up to their lofty expectations...Renegade_Fury

There is not question that the Niners will have a vastly improved secondary with Clements. However, between Nate, and Bailey, I would pick Bailey.

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"][QUOTE="Eman5805"]Nate Clements isn't even better than Asante Samuel, let alone the best in the business, Champ Bailey. The 49ers may end up regretting this blockbuster deal. He wasn't worth that much, they'd better pray he lives up to their lofty expectations...haloraider

There is not question that the Niners will have a vastly improved secondary with Clements. However, between Nate, and Bailey, I would pick Bailey.

Well duh who wouldn't pick Bailey? :P It's just that Clements was the best on the board, and in general it's usually harder to find a good CB.Renegade_Fury

Champ Bailey...duh.Flaming_Ape

If you were an NFL owner and you had the choice to either get Champ Bailey or Nate Clements (no one else, just out of the two) who would you pick after the season they had in 2006?

(Don't count the contract just the player you'd prefer because of there skill)

I'd take Champ Bailey over Clements any day. Champ Bailey has two more years experience than Clements and only one year older. Champ also is coming over his best season which includued a total of 10 interceptions. Bailey is as close to a shutdown corner as there is and makes interceptions in the clutch (in the red zone). Bailey has soild tackling skill and he seems to have entered his own level of play at cornerback being widely considered the best cornerback in the NFL.

nygiants1080

The difference is quite clear and emminent of what type of CB they are. We have many creating a fuss such as yourself denouncing whether or not Nate is deserving of that contract. If a CB (which of course Nate did) can hold Marvin Harrison to a meager 2 catches an entire game then that is more than saying something. Anyone who is questioning Nate's skill should have been looking at his progression up until now he is Very Good. Granted, C. Bailey is thee best in Pass Coverage, with such terrifying speed, agility, jump and excellent hands he has redefined the art of Covering WRs. But, Champs weakness lies in in a quick 5yrd hitch route which was done by the Great T.O (lmao..91yds and change) and Hines Ward. Sorry but until Champ Bailey can cover T.O only then we can crown him as thee best. SrLynx

[QUOTE="romocop33"]lol.nygiants1080

The reason I made this thread is because SrLynx was saying Nate Clements is better than Bailey. Here is the little conversation:

[QUOTE="nygiants1080"][QUOTE="SrLynx"] Oh really! Care to elaborate more on that? Nate Clements = complete (physical) CB where as Champ Bailey = Cover Corner. In the NFL teams prefer a physical CBs.SrLynx

Link: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25419628&page=2

That is hilarious! I think Nate is good but he is not even close to Champ! Very few guys are. I am glad Nate is on the Niners though since it's my team but I would take Champ over Nate any day of the week! Since Nate got that contract Champ should get TWICE as much for his next one! That's how good he is.

[QUOTE="SrLynx"]The difference is quite clear and emminent of what type of CB they are. We have many creating a fuss such as yourself denouncing whether or not Nate is deserving of that contract. If a CB (which of course Nate did) can hold Marvin Harrison to a meager 2 catches an entire game then that is more than saying something. Anyone who is questioning Nate's skill should have been looking at his progression up until now he is Very Good. Granted, C. Bailey is thee best in Pass Coverage, with such terrifying speed, agility, jump and excellent hands he has redefined the art of Covering WRs. But, Champs weakness lies in in a quick 5yrd hitch route which was done by the Great T.O (lmao..91yds and change) and Hines Ward. Sorry but until Champ Bailey can cover T.O only then we can crown him as thee best. nygiants1080

I see no point in continuing this ongoing discussion of who is better than who if your going to call someone an idiot, maybe the idiot (who is you) should have read my response properly which clearly stated T.O AND Hines Ward who racked up over 170yds+ and 2TDs on Chump Bailey during the 2006 season. You sir, are a fool.SrLynx

The Broncos never played the Cowboys in 2006, also the Broncos played the Steelers once and Hines didn't score a touchdown...get your facts right before you talk.

So do you want to admit your wrong now? Or are you going to continue making a fool of yourself?

Bailey, of course. Id rank clements anywhere from 4-7.

And will people stop saying clements made 80 million? I even made a thread about this. Clements will see 43.5 million dollars over 6 years. Clements is NOT the highest paid defensive player, because he will NEVER see 80 million.

And will people stop saying clements made 80 million? I even made a thread about this. Clements will see 43.5 million dollars over 6 years.Clements is NOT the highest paid defensive player, because he will NEVER see 80 million.raghavan

"The 49ers rewarded Clements, the top player in the ESPN.com ratings of the league's unrestricted free agents, with an eight-year, $80 million contract that includes $22 million in guarantees.By virtually any standard used to assess NFL contracts by those in the industry, the pact makes Clements the highest-paid defensive player in league history."

Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2786253

[QUOTE="SrLynx"] I see no point in continuing this ongoing discussion of who is better than who if your going to call someone an idiot, maybe the idiot (who is you) should have read my response properly which clearly stated T.O AND Hines Ward who racked up over 170yds+ and 2TDs on Chump Bailey during the 2006 season. You sir, are a fool.nygiants1080

The Broncos never played the Cowboys in 2006, also the Broncos played the Steelers once and Hines didn't score a touchdown...get your facts right before you talk.

So do you want to admit your wrong now? Or are you going to continue making a fool of yourself?

[QUOTE="raghavan"]And will people stop saying clements made 80 million? I even made a thread about this. Clements will see 43.5 million dollars over 6 years.Clements is NOT the highest paid defensive player, because he will NEVER see 80 million.nygiants1080

"The 49ers rewarded Clements, the top player in the ESPN.com ratings of the league's unrestricted free agents, with an eight-year, $80 million contract that includes $22 million in guarantees.By virtually any standard used to assess NFL contracts by those in the industry, the pact makes Clements the highest-paid defensive player in league history."

Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2786253

Answer the question. Do you think he will get the 80 mil? Dont be naive. This is a well structured contract. He gets the title, but he aint gettin the money. It looks superfically rich but he wont get the money and thats what counts, because he will not be paid 36.5 million in the last 2 years as the contract is structured, even if he becomes the best CB of all time. My whole point is he gets the title of richest player, but he really isnt.

Aight **** it, let's just say Clements inked the richest deal for a defender in history, regardless of if he actually recieves it or not. And that prompts me to say the 49ers just overpaid him cuz he, to me, hasn't proven himself to be worth more than Champ Bailey. This really may screw over the Patriots cuz Asante Samuel sees this happening and thinking how it should be him getting this deal(and by all rights, he would be cuz he's a better, younger CB than Clements). That's just how I feel about it... Eman5805

No doubt about it, they did overpay him. He is getting 22 mil guaranteed, about 7 more than my liking, and thats what makes me anxious. But its not nearly as bad as it seems.

I never said the Broncos played the Cowboys in 2006..point out where i stated that...once again you are the fool. Admittedly, i did made an error with the stats posted for Hines Ward should have been (7 recs, 127 yds).SrLynx

"...read my response properly which clearly stated T.O AND Hines Ward who racked up over 170yds+ and 2TDs on Chump Bailey during the 2006 season."

By using the word "and" it includes Terrell Owens. So the way you typed it made it say that T.O. and Hines Ward played against him.

Bailey, no brainer.

The answer is easily Champ Bailey. There is no such thing as a shut down corner in todays NFL, but he would be the closest to it. Look at the facts. Even the game's best QB, Peyton, won't throw his way just cause it isn't worth the risk. Bailey is amazing.firefox59