You know how far hockey has fallen when...

NHL signed with OLN(Versus) because they were willing to pay the NHL more than ESPN. WNBA has nothing to do with it.nathanlol

Ok.

You know how far hockey has fallen, when ESPN won't pay more money than OLN to show NHL games on their channel...

Reguardless of the money issues going on, it's still sad that the WNBA is being shown on ESPN, instead of the NHL.

Meh, leave the Hockey in Canada please.AbstractTerror

Its not like hockey is unpopular everywhere in the USA. The Avs, Redwings, Rangers, Sabres, Devils, Pens, Stars, Sharks, Thrashers, and Flyers actually have a huge fan base, and are pretty popular there. Although i do agree some franchises such as the Preds should be moved to Canada.

you see WNBA games instead of NHL games on ESPN....Blood_Raptor_X

well.. both sports are some garbage

Layoff hockey and blame Gary Bettman. Damn I wish we could get rid of this guy already...CJL182

I've been saying that since the bs in 1999.

The NHL really could do with a new commisionor. Bettman is just not helping the cause here and he is the one that is ruining it.

[QUOTE="Blood_Raptor_X"]you see WNBA games instead of NHL games on ESPN....Ray2259

well.. both sports are some garbage

Lmao thats sad. Even poker is more watched in the States than the NHL.juicetino

To be fair, I'm pretty sure poker routinely beats Baseball and Basketball as well. Only Football and Nascar (amongst major American sports) get higher ratings than poker.

[QUOTE="Ray2259"]

[QUOTE="Blood_Raptor_X"]you see WNBA games instead of NHL games on ESPN....JRoss17

well.. both sports are some garbage

... only sport i know that can garner an Avg attendance of 96,000+ to a stadium each game.. next it Indyand Nascarracing...

hell Primera Segunda packs more punch than hockey

and dont even attempt to compare Champions League, FA Cup, Carling, Cup,Copa del Rey, Super Copa, Any Chelsea vs Liverpool vs Man Utd fixture, ect ect i could go on.. to the the ratings of eachseries in the Stanley Cup Pllayoffs combined.. just dont do it....

and the WNBA? hell even This years NBA finals is terrible

thus why i'll just stick to

Soccer(football)

and Football(American)

[QUOTE="JRoss17"][QUOTE="Ray2259"]

[QUOTE="Blood_Raptor_X"]you see WNBA games instead of NHL games on ESPN....Ray2259

well.. both sports are some garbage

... only sport i know that can garner an Avg attendance of 96,000+ to a stadium each game.. next it Indyand Nascarracing...

hell Primera Segunda packs more punch than hockey

and dont even attempt to compare Champions League, FA Cup, Carling, Cup,Copa del Rey, Super Copa, Any Chelsea vs Liverpool vs Man Utd fixture, ect ect i could go on.. to the the ratings of eachseries in the Stanley Cup Pllayoffs combined.. just dont do it....

and the WNBA? hell even This years NBA finals is terrible

thus why i'll just stick to

Soccer(football)

and Football(American)

yeah but Soccer inthe USAis barley existent. Obviously in other countries soccer is extremly popular. Same with hockey, if you go to Canada hockey is extremly popular.

[QUOTE="JRoss17"][QUOTE="Ray2259"]

[QUOTE="Blood_Raptor_X"]you see WNBA games instead of NHL games on ESPN....Ray2259

well.. both sports are some garbage

... only sport i know that can garner an Avg attendance of 96,000+ to a stadium each game.. next it Indyand Nascarracing...

hell Primera Segunda packs more punch than hockey

and dont even attempt to compare Champions League, FA Cup, Carling, Cup,Copa del Rey, Super Copa, Any Chelsea vs Liverpool vs Man Utd fixture, ect ect i could go on.. to the the ratings of eachseries in the Stanley Cup Pllayoffs combined.. just dont do it....

and the WNBA? hell even This years NBA finals is terrible

thus why i'll just stick to

Soccer(football)

and Football(American)

No doubt that so many people regularly attending soccer games is impressive, but let's be fair and consider the fact that much fewer people are able to actually get into a hockey rink. Most NHL rinks allow 18k-21k fans, and the league as a whole draws pretty damn good attendance percentages. As I've said before, marketing and TV product placement are the main issues here.

you see WNBA games instead of NHL games on ESPN....Blood_Raptor_X

maybe thats because the NHL left ESPN, because ESPN wasn't going to pay them any money. They signed with OLN (Versus) to get more money after the strike.

Hockey's a great sport, but a big part of what made it so great was the strong rivalry's the sport use to have. The Hab's and Leafs rivalry is nearly gone, the battle of Alberta has been dead for a while now and even more recent rivalry's like the Av's and the Wings is fizzing out. Part of the reason is the number of unnecessary expansion teams that clubs are forced to play, these new teams haven't had time to create an image.

Hockey just expanded too fast, and the league has lost some of it's flair and personality.

Hockey's a great sport, but a big part of what made it so great was the strong rivalry's the sport use to have. The Hab's and Leafs rivalry is nearly gone, the battle of Alberta has been dead for a while now and even more recent rivalry's like the Av's and the Wings is fizzing out. Part of the reason is the number of unnecessary expansion teams that clubs are forced to play, these new teams haven't had time to create an image.

Hockey just expanded too fast, and the league has lost some of it's flair and personality.

allnamestaken

yeah i agree, as an Avs fan i don't really hate the wings anymore, I remember back when the Avs were a power house team like the wings, there was alot ofanomosity between the teams, and i actually hated everything about the wings.

The Sabres-Sens seems strong, seems like when ever they play a big fight is bound to break out. 8)

[QUOTE="Ray2259"][QUOTE="JRoss17"][QUOTE="Ray2259"]

[QUOTE="Blood_Raptor_X"]you see WNBA games instead of NHL games on ESPN....CJL182

well.. both sports are some garbage

... only sport i know that can garner an Avg attendance of 96,000+ to a stadium each game.. next it Indyand Nascarracing...

hell Primera Segunda packs more punch than hockey

and dont even attempt to compare Champions League, FA Cup, Carling, Cup,Copa del Rey, Super Copa, Any Chelsea vs Liverpool vs Man Utd fixture, ect ect i could go on.. to the the ratings of eachseries in the Stanley Cup Pllayoffs combined.. just dont do it....

and the WNBA? hell even This years NBA finals is terrible

thus why i'll just stick to

Soccer(football)

and Football(American)

No doubt that so many people regularly attending soccer games is impressive, but let's be fair and consider the fact that much fewer people are able to actually get into a hockey rink. Most NHL rinks allow 18k-21k fans, and the league as a whole draws pretty damn good attendance percentages. As I've said before, marketing and TV product placement are the main issues here.

you gotta point there.. soccer is starting to come up over here though

[QUOTE="JRoss17"][QUOTE="Ray2259"]

[QUOTE="Blood_Raptor_X"]you see WNBA games instead of NHL games on ESPN....Ray2259

well.. both sports are some garbage

... only sport i know that can garner an Avg attendance of 96,000+ to a stadium each game.. next it Indyand Nascarracing...

hell Primera Segunda packs more punch than hockey

and dont even attempt to compare Champions League, FA Cup, Carling, Cup,Copa del Rey, Super Copa, Any Chelsea vs Liverpool vs Man Utd fixture, ect ect i could go on.. to the the ratings of eachseries in the Stanley Cup Pllayoffs combined.. just dont do it....

and the WNBA? hell even This years NBA finals is terrible

thus why i'll just stick to

Soccer(football)

and Football(American)

so what your saying is, if something is more popular, it is automatically better?

[QUOTE="Ray2259"][QUOTE="JRoss17"][QUOTE="Ray2259"]

[QUOTE="Blood_Raptor_X"]you see WNBA games instead of NHL games on ESPN....fws831

well.. both sports are some garbage

... only sport i know that can garner an Avg attendance of 96,000+ to a stadium each game.. next it Indyand Nascarracing...

hell Primera Segunda packs more punch than hockey

and dont even attempt to compare Champions League, FA Cup, Carling, Cup,Copa del Rey, Super Copa, Any Chelsea vs Liverpool vs Man Utd fixture, ect ect i could go on.. to the the ratings of eachseries in the Stanley Cup Pllayoffs combined.. just dont do it....

and the WNBA? hell even This years NBA finals is terrible

thus why i'll just stick to

Soccer(football)

and Football(American)

so what your saying is, if something is more popular, it is automatically better?

i choose passion over popularity...

soccer is not popular in america...

hockey fans are as passionate as any sports fans.

Fact: The NHL signed with OLN/Versus for more money than ESPN, mainly because of the lockout.

Popularity has little to do with it. Both Hockey and Soccer have their pros and cons, obviously. Poker's recent rise in popularity is amazing, and in the US, it's more popular than both Hockey and Soccer.

Personally, I prefer hockey whenever I can get it these days. However, I come down with some World Cup Fever every four years. Neither is better than the other. Both are great sports for their respective audiences.

Hockey's a great sport, but a big part of what made it so great was the strong rivalry's the sport use to have. The Hab's and Leafs rivalry is nearly gone, the battle of Alberta has been dead for a while now and even more recent rivalry's like the Av's and the Wings is fizzing out. Part of the reason is the number of unnecessary expansion teams that clubs are forced to play, these new teams haven't had time to create an image.

Hockey just expanded too fast, and the league has lost some of it's flair and personality.

allnamestaken

Battle of Alberta dead? Try telling that to the people I know that live there! There might not be the hatred between the players like there used to be, but the fans are definitely keeping it alive.

[QUOTE="fws831"][QUOTE="Ray2259"][QUOTE="JRoss17"][QUOTE="Ray2259"]

[QUOTE="Blood_Raptor_X"]you see WNBA games instead of NHL games on ESPN....Ray2259

well.. both sports are some garbage

... only sport i know that can garner an Avg attendance of 96,000+ to a stadium each game.. next it Indyand Nascarracing...

hell Primera Segunda packs more punch than hockey

and dont even attempt to compare Champions League, FA Cup, Carling, Cup,Copa del Rey, Super Copa, Any Chelsea vs Liverpool vs Man Utd fixture, ect ect i could go on.. to the the ratings of eachseries in the Stanley Cup Pllayoffs combined.. just dont do it....

and the WNBA? hell even This years NBA finals is terrible

thus why i'll just stick to

Soccer(football)

and Football(American)

so what your saying is, if something is more popular, it is automatically better?

i choose passion over popularity...

soccer is not popular in america...

so athletes that play other sports do not play with passion ?