You know whats kind of unfair for the Cavs and why they'll lose because of it?

If Cavs win the finals LeBron will get ALL the credit. He'll win the MVP, his sponsers will sky-rocket, he'll be on every magazine cover that claims "He's the King," or "He's the Greatest Basketball Player Ever," etc. And he'll be the most talked about sport's icon in the world. But for the rest of the team....they'll get nothing but a ring.

I wonder if this makes his teammates jealous or have a slight animosity toward him? Also, could all this attention on LeBron cause the rest ofhis teammates on the Cavs not play to their full potential or lose some heart? Maybe.

But in contrast, if the Spurs win, sure Duncan will get most of the credit but it will be more balanced out. Ginobli will get credit, Parker will get credit, Bowen will get credit, and the Spurs will be credited as a team. Instead of just Duncan on the cover of every magazine, it will be the big three: Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli. And at this point in the series, either one can get the finals MVP.But if Cavs win, only one guy will get the credit.

I'm just wondering if this could have some influence on the rest of the Cavs' players because they know that no matter how good they play or how hard they play, at the end, LeBron will get the credit.

Kind of sucks for the rest of the Cavs' players. :(

Yeah it does but I dont think they would care about the fame as long as they got that ring. Personally I think it sucks the most for guys like Wesley and Pollard who ride the bench the entire playoffs, I mean that ring would just remind me of how much I sucked and how the team didnt need me to win a championship.

Yes, I agree with you on some of those points. The media will be claiming that a heir to Jordan has arrived and that LeBron is one of the greatest ever played. And you know what, they might be right. If the Cavs do somehow pull away in the series and win it all he will get the MVP (unless Gibson nabs it, haha). The thing is that Lebron has this tendency of making the players around him better. Part for part the Spurs are a much greater team than the Cavs, some might still say that the Pistons were a better team, but the Cavs, with the help of Bron-Bron, manage to equal more than the sum of those parts.

There was something that I heard during that whole Kobe debacle recently: that players have to play with Kobe on the Lakers, but in Cleveland players want to play with him. I think that speaks volumes for LeBron as a player. Kobe Bryant, one of the best scorers of this generation, is unable to make his team good, but LeBron managed to lead a team of mostly nobodies into the NBA finals.

And on a another note: "But for the rest of the team....they'll get nothing but a ring. "

Somehow I don't think the other players will mind that much.

There was something that I heard during that whole Kobe debacle recently: that players have to play with Kobe on the Lakers, but in Cleveland players want to play with him. I think that speaks volumes for LeBron as a player. Kobe Bryant, one of the best scorers of this generation, is unable to make his team good, but LeBron managed to lead a team of mostly nobodies into the NBA finals.

zaktrunks

Lebron is very lucky he is in the east, he is just realizing now how powerful the west is over the Eastern teams, I guarantee you if Lebron had to play the Suns first round they wouldn't even get past them. You say he has led a team of mostly nobodies but look at who Kobe has to play with, KWAME BROWN! does his name ring a bell one of the biggest bust in the NBA, you think kobe or anyone wants to play with Kwame Brown in the NBA? btw do you even remember Kobe's first finals series game 4 in 2000 vs the Pacers? Kobe as you say one of the best scorers in the league carried his team while Shaq fouled out in that overtime win, that is what leaders do, you can't blame kobe for being a more aggresive scorer when his team now can't even hit a mid range jumper but if you compare 2000-03 kobe back when they had veteran reliable role players he was able to dish it off and trust that they would hit their shots.

Here's a clip of that Pacers Lakers final game when Kobe basically went crazy while Shaq fouled out

compare that with Lebron's performance in the finals and it's not even close

Lakers v Pacers - Kobe leads Lakers to win

If the Cavs win the Championship, right now Gibson is THE candidate for MVP.

When the Spurs take it later this week, I think Parker is their biggest candidate for MVP, he's driving the Cavs insane, they can't stop him.

[QUOTE="zaktrunks"]

There was something that I heard during that whole Kobe debacle recently: that players have to play with Kobe on the Lakers, but in Cleveland players want to play with him. I think that speaks volumes for LeBron as a player. Kobe Bryant, one of the best scorers of this generation, is unable to make his team good, but LeBron managed to lead a team of mostly nobodies into the NBA finals.

andyboiii

Lebron is very lucky he is in the east, he is just realizing now how powerful the west is over the Eastern teams, I guarantee you if Lebron had to play the Suns first round they wouldn't even get past them. You say he has led a team of mostly nobodies but look at who Kobe has to play with, KWAME BROWN! does his name ring a bell one of the biggest bust in the NBA, you think kobe or anyone wants to play with Kwame Brown in the NBA? btw do you even remember Kobe's first finals series game 4 in 2000 vs the Pacers? Kobe as you say one of the best scorers in the league carried his team while Shaq fouled out in that overtime win, that is what leaders do, you can't blame kobe for being a more aggresive scorer when his team now can't even hit a mid range jumper but if you compare 2000-03 kobe back when they had veteran reliable role players he was able to dish it off and trust that they would hit their shots.

Here's a clip of that Pacers Lakers final game when Kobe basically went crazy while Shaq fouled out

compare that with Lebron's performance in the finals and it's not even close

Lakers v Pacers - Kobe leads Lakers to win

Kobe did great in that game, but Kobe is not a good leader, his team regresses when they play with him, LeBron lifted this team, and when they had hardtimes halfway through the season, he got the players together and got them to commit to performing as a team.

When the Lakers had their hardtimes this season, Kobe said to the press"they're just not good enough".

That's the difference, that's why LeBron is a better leader, and if LeBron was on the Lakers they probably would've beaten the Suns, and if Kobe was on the Cavs, they wouldn't have reached the Finals.

[QUOTE="andyboiii"][QUOTE="zaktrunks"]

There was something that I heard during that whole Kobe debacle recently: that players have to play with Kobe on the Lakers, but in Cleveland players want to play with him. I think that speaks volumes for LeBron as a player. Kobe Bryant, one of the best scorers of this generation, is unable to make his team good, but LeBron managed to lead a team of mostly nobodies into the NBA finals.

Nene33

Lebron is very lucky he is in the east, he is just realizing now how powerful the west is over the Eastern teams, I guarantee you if Lebron had to play the Suns first round they wouldn't even get past them. You say he has led a team of mostly nobodies but look at who Kobe has to play with, KWAME BROWN! does his name ring a bell one of the biggest bust in the NBA, you think kobe or anyone wants to play with Kwame Brown in the NBA? btw do you even remember Kobe's first finals series game 4 in 2000 vs the Pacers? Kobe as you say one of the best scorers in the league carried his team while Shaq fouled out in that overtime win, that is what leaders do, you can't blame kobe for being a more aggresive scorer when his team now can't even hit a mid range jumper but if you compare 2000-03 kobe back when they had veteran reliable role players he was able to dish it off and trust that they would hit their shots.

Here's a clip of that Pacers Lakers final game when Kobe basically went crazy while Shaq fouled out

compare that with Lebron's performance in the finals and it's not even close

Lakers v Pacers - Kobe leads Lakers to win

Kobe did great in that game, but Kobe is not a good leader, his team regresses when they play with him, LeBron lifted this team, and when they had hardtimes halfway through the season, he got the players together and got them to commit to performing as a team.

When the Lakers had their hardtimes this season, Kobe said to the press"they're just not good enough".

That's the difference, that's why LeBron is a better leader, and if LeBron was on the Lakers they probably would've beaten the Suns, and if Kobe was on the Cavs, they wouldn't have reached the Finals.

yeah right?????The cavs overall has a bettetr team then the lakers.Did u even watch the gm against the suns???Kobe tried astsing the ball and they brickeed.Who was on the team taking open 3s??bill walton???He was thrash andparker.LOL.LJ had larry(before he got injured in the confernce final),gibson,big Z,pavlovic and ther4e bench is pretty good too.LJ wouldn't do ANYTHING IF he was on the lakers.He can't shoot.I always said that and i stand by it.Make him a jump shooter and he will miss.yeah he had that one gm against pistons, but it was only one gm.

[QUOTE="andyboiii"][QUOTE="zaktrunks"]

There was something that I heard during that whole Kobe debacle recently: that players have to play with Kobe on the Lakers, but in Cleveland players want to play with him. I think that speaks volumes for LeBron as a player. Kobe Bryant, one of the best scorers of this generation, is unable to make his team good, but LeBron managed to lead a team of mostly nobodies into the NBA finals.

Nene33

Lebron is very lucky he is in the east, he is just realizing now how powerful the west is over the Eastern teams, I guarantee you if Lebron had to play the Suns first round they wouldn't even get past them. You say he has led a team of mostly nobodies but look at who Kobe has to play with, KWAME BROWN! does his name ring a bell one of the biggest bust in the NBA, you think kobe or anyone wants to play with Kwame Brown in the NBA? btw do you even remember Kobe's first finals series game 4 in 2000 vs the Pacers? Kobe as you say one of the best scorers in the league carried his team while Shaq fouled out in that overtime win, that is what leaders do, you can't blame kobe for being a more aggresive scorer when his team now can't even hit a mid range jumper but if you compare 2000-03 kobe back when they had veteran reliable role players he was able to dish it off and trust that they would hit their shots.

Here's a clip of that Pacers Lakers final game when Kobe basically went crazy while Shaq fouled out

compare that with Lebron's performance in the finals and it's not even close

Lakers v Pacers - Kobe leads Lakers to win

That's the difference, that's why LeBron is a better leader, and if LeBron was on the Lakers they probably would've beaten the Suns, and if Kobe was on the Cavs, they wouldn't have reached the Finals.

trust me and juju when we say this no way would the Cavs make it in the West, at least the Suns put up a fight with the Spurs and won 2 games but right now the Cavs lead by Lebron are getting dominated by the Spurs on both sides of the ball so I don't know how you can assume they would pull it off against a deep Suns team, I remember saying the winner out of the Suns and Spurs series will win it all and that's exactly what it's turning out to be

and to your comment if lebron was on the Laker team he would have beaten the Suns, are you crazy?? trust me Lebron can pass the ball but who's gonna hit the mid range jumper? KWAME BROWN? SMUSH PARKER? BABY BYNUM? trust me no way he would have got past the Suns, the Suns like the Spurs are the overall better team and the Cavs would be crushed just like they are being right now, a sweep is in the making btw we'll see how lebron mans up at least one of these games but I don'tpredict him to even win a game, he hasn't been the leader he is capable of becoming

Yes, I agree with you on some of those points. The media will be claiming that a heir to Jordan has arrived and that LeBron is one of the greatest ever played. And you know what, they might be right. If the Cavs do somehow pull away in the series and win it all he will get the MVP (unless Gibson nabs it, haha). The thing is that Lebron has this tendency of making the players around him better. Part for part the Spurs are a much greater team than the Cavs, some might still say that the Pistons were a better team, but the Cavs, with the help of Bron-Bron, manage to equal more than the sum of those parts.

There was something that I heard during that whole Kobe debacle recently: that players have to play with Kobe on the Lakers, but in Cleveland players want to play with him. I think that speaks volumes for LeBron as a player. Kobe Bryant, one of the best scorers of this generation, is unable to make his team good, but LeBron managed to lead a team of mostly nobodies into the NBA finals.

And on a another note: "But for the rest of the team....they'll get nothing but a ring. "

Somehow I don't think the other players will mind that much.

zaktrunks

Give me a break. Put the Cavs in the west and let's see how far Lebron leads them. They'd be fighting for the 8th seed with the Lakers, Warriors, and Clippers.

trust me and juju when we say this no way would the Cavs make it in the West, at least the Suns put up a fight with the Spurs and won 2 games but right now the Cavs lead by Lebron are getting dominated by the Spurs on both sides of the ball so I don't know how you can assume they would pull it off against a deep Suns team, I remember saying the winner out of the Suns and Spurs series will win it all and that's exactly what it's turning out to be

and to your comment if lebron was on the Laker team he would have beaten the Suns, are you crazy?? trust me Lebron can pass the ball but who's gonna hit the mid range jumper? KWAME BROWN? SMUSH PARKER? BABY BYNUM? trust me no way he would have got past the Suns, the Suns like the Spurs are the overall better team and the Cavs would be crushed just like they are being right now, a sweep is in the making btw we'll see how lebron mans up at least one of these games but I don'tpredict him to even win a game, he hasn't been the leader he is capable of becoming

andyboiii

All Kobe's been doing all season is complain about his team, that's BAD LEADERSHIP, the pass frenzy he had in gm 2 wasn't to win(his passes lacked accuracy and touch, and where nothing like the way he distributed the ball in last seasons series where they took the Suns to 7 games), it was to say to the world, look I PASSED THE BALL, AND THESE LOOSERS CAN'T SCORE.

LeBron passes to setup his teammates, when the Cavs where struggeling LeBron called a players meeting(he didn't start complaining about his team to the press), and had the team recommit to play for eachother, and it worked, the Cavs started winning again.

Last season the Lakershad the same nucleus, and since everybody inc. Kobe, Phil Jackson, and every analist I heard in the Pre-season and in the 1st half of this season said this team had grown, they should've been able to do better than last season, but Kobe's complaining messed that team up.

LeBron leads the Cavs, and eventhough things aren't looking so hot now, the series with the Spurs aren't over untill someone wins 4.

Give me a break. Put the Cavs in the west and let's see how far Lebron leads them. They'd be fighting for the 8th seed with the Lakers, Warriors, and Clippers.

Gamer556

Yeah, and the Cavs would beat out the Lakers for a seed in the West.

Season series: Cavs 3 Lakers 1

I don't think there's any teammate animosity toward James. I think they are all aware that they would not even be a playoff team without him. He works very hard to distribute the ball and get his teammates involved; in fact he often gets criticized in games where he passes too much and doesn't shoot enough.
Aside from that, the cavs still need a big man who can block shots and guard players like duncan, as well as another perimeter player who can consistently score points before they can even begin to think about beating any western team in a 7 game series.

I think you're overrating the West a little, some teams had quite a good reg. season record, but choked in their Play-off series.Nene33

I firmly believe that every team the Spurs eliminated to get to the finals could beat the Cavs in a 7 game series, even the nuggets (who really came alive after trading to get iverson).

I doubt that, because the Nuggets really beat themselves against the Spurs, and would probably beat themselves in any Play-off series against anyone, both AI and Melo keep their cool, but guys like J.R. really mess up the games rhythm. Plus there's the Mavs(who match up really bad to some teams, while dominating others), the Rockets(they got T-Mac, who never made it past round 1 in the East or West), the Jazz(great young team, but not consistent enough to guarrantee a winning series), the Warriors(very ustabile team that can win or loose based on the wind-direction), the Lakers(every Lakers fan is claiming the Cavs are better than them these days). The Cavs would have good chances against most of these teams.

I doubt that, because the Nuggets really beat themselves against the Spurs, and would probably beat themselves in any Play-off series against anyone, both AI and Melo keep their cool, but guys like J.R. really mess up the games rhythm. Plus there's the Mavs(who match up really bad to some teams, while dominating others), the Rockets(they got T-Mac, who never made it past round 1 in the East or West), the Jazz(great young team, but not consistent enough to guarrantee a winning series), the Warriors(very ustabile team that can win or loose based on the wind-direction), the Lakers(every Lakers fan is claiming the Cavs are better than them). The Cavs would have good chances against most of these teams.

Nene33

All the teams you mentioned with the exception of the Lakers are much more superior to the Cavs.

Some of them are, but the Mavs proved that doesn't have to matter in a 7 game series. The Rockets are except for Yao and T-Mac a very bad team(if I remember it well, T-Mac and Yao scored like 70% of their points), the Warriors are a terrible team who would've lost to any other play-off team even Washington or Orlando, they only beat the Mavs because both Dirk and Avery have some kind of man-crush on Nellie, and without that momentum unstabile characters like Baron and Jackson tend to meltdown, the Nuggets can't keep their cool in a 7 game series, so there's a good chance they'll loose no matter who they play.

the Nuggets and Suns actually put up a fight in a win over the Spurs, yea they lost the series but the Suns won 2 games against the Spurs which just goes to show the Suns look like their only real challenge this year, the Cavs meanwhile probably won't even win one game against the Spurs so I can't see how the Cavs could take on any of these other teams from the West when they can't even win one game against the Spurs

i'll leave you with this article to read

Cavs worst finals team ever?

This gets me mad after every damn game i watch of the Cavs. Im a HUGE Cavs fan and have watched/listened to every game this season, well I might have missed 5 at the most...

Every post game show talks about how great LeBron is...

As I said this series ain't over, so you can't claim the final outcome yet, eventhough things look bad, they can still turn around. And not beeing able to beat the Spurs doesn't really say anything about whether they could beat teams like GS(they would've lost to any team that isn't Dallas), Houston(T-Mac nevergot past the 1st round in the East nor West)or the Nuggets(they lost to themselves against the Spurs, and probably would loose to whatever other team they had drawn).

As for the Nuggets, they could've beaten the Spurs, but they should've kept their heads in the game, having guys J.R. jack up a ton of low % 3 pts. cost them the series, I mean if the coach has to bench players to have'em comply with the gameplan, you have a serious discipline problem(one that can be exploited by any team inc. the Cavs).

The article is all hype, the whole East beeing terrible is allhype, because even when the Spurs take this Championship, the East still took 2 out of the last 4 championships(having the best record team twice too), if you look at all the stats, you'll notice there's something like 4 teams making up 90% of the East's bad stats(that didn't have their 1 and 2 scorer injured), so all in all it isn't that bad.

If you speculate, I think with a healthy Wade the Heat would've taken their 2nd championship.

this series ain't over, so you can't claim the final outcome yet, Nene33

As I said this series ain't over, so you can't claim the final outcome yet, eventhough things look bad, they can still turn around. And not beeing able to beat the Spurs doesn't really say anything about whether they could beat teams like GS(they would've lost to any team that isn't Dallas), Houston(T-Mac nevergot past the 1st round in the East nor West)or the Nuggets(they lost to themselves against the Spurs, and probably would loose to whatever other team they had drawn).

As for the Nuggets, they could've beaten the Spurs, but they should've kept their heads in the game, having guys J.R. jack up a ton of low % 3 pts. cost them the series, I mean if the coach has to bench players to have'em comply with the gameplan, you have a serious discipline problem(one that can be exploited by any team inc. the Cavs).

The article is all hype, the whole East beeing terrible is allhype, because even when the Spurs take this Championship, the East still took 2 out of the last 4 championships(having the best record team twice too), if you look at all the stats, you'll notice there's something like 4 teams making up 90% of the East's bad stats(that didn't have their 1 and 2 scorer injured), so all in all it isn't that bad.

If you speculate, I think with a healthy Wade the Heat would've taken their 2nd championship.

Nene33

I'm a prophet, therefore I know the Cavs will lose.

I agree wholeheartedly with the TC.

...and anyone who honestly thinks this series is more entertaining than what would have been a more likely "competitive" series between the Pistons and the Spurs, doesn't really like basketball... they're a casual fanboy bantering because they don't get to see any "uber superstar dunkzorz." Lord I wish the Pistons hadn't lost... that one game by Lebron that he'll probably never be able to have again pretty much put the Pistons away mentally... if absolutely everything hadn't gone Clevelands way in Lebron doing so well at the end of 5 hadn't happened, McDyess getting expelled because the NBA is a sissies league now, this NBA finals would be a Pistons Vs Spurs series that I think would be way more interesting than this crapfrest.

Hello Spurs in 5 (the NBA refs are bound to give Lebron somewhere around 85 free throws in one of the Cleveland games)...

I agree wholeheartedly with the TC.

...and anyone who honestly thinks this series is more entertaining than what would have been a more likely "competitive" series between the Pistons and the Spurs, doesn't really like basketball... they're a casual fanboy bantering because they don't get to see any "uber superstar dunkzorz." Lord I wish the Pistons hadn't lost... that one game by Lebron that he'll probably never be able to have again pretty much put the Pistons away mentally... if absolutely everything hadn't gone Clevelands way in Lebron doing so well at the end of 5 hadn't happened, McDyess getting expelled because the NBA is a sissies league now, this NBA finals would be a Pistons Vs Spurs series that I think would be way more interesting than this crapfrest.

Hello Spurs in 5 (the NBA refs are bound to give Lebron somewhere around 85 free throws in one of the Cleveland games)...

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[QUOTE="ScoopyMcScoop"]

I agree wholeheartedly with the TC.

...and anyone who honestly thinks this series is more entertaining than what would have been a more likely "competitive" series between the Pistons and the Spurs, doesn't really like basketball... they're a casual fanboy bantering because they don't get to see any "uber superstar dunkzorz." Lord I wish the Pistons hadn't lost... that one game by Lebron that he'll probably never be able to have again pretty much put the Pistons away mentally... if absolutely everything hadn't gone Clevelands way in Lebron doing so well at the end of 5 hadn't happened, McDyess getting expelled because the NBA is a sissies league now, this NBA finals would be a Pistons Vs Spurs series that I think would be way more interesting than this crapfrest.

Hello Spurs in 5 (the NBA refs are bound to give Lebron somewhere around 85 free throws in one of the Cleveland games)...

ScoopyMcScoop

Yeah I totally agree the Pistons would have made the series more competitive but they totally fell asleep on the Cavs and woke up when it was too late. The cavs basically did what any team would have done and took advantage the Pistons just made LeBron look good while doing it.

I think you're overrating the West a little, some teams had quite a good reg. season record, but choked in their Play-off series.Nene33

Suns, Spurs, Mavs, Jazz, Rockets, Nuggets

I think any of these teams could beat the Cavs in a 7 game series. If the Cavs were in the west they would be a 7th or 8th seed team and would get knocked out in the first round.

[QUOTE="Nene33"]I think you're overrating the West a little, some teams had quite a good reg. season record, but choked in their Play-off series.Gamer556

Suns, Spurs, Mavs, Jazz, Rockets, Nuggets

I think any of these teams could beat the Cavs in a 7 game series. If the Cavs were in the west they would be a 7th or 8th seed team and would get knocked out in the first round.

Rockets wouldn't, in case you didn't know T-Mac doesn't beat anybody in the Play-offs.

Nuggets wouldn't, eventhough they have a great team, untill coach Karl can get guys like J.R. to shoot better shots (J.R. FG%.273 in the Play-offs) they'll beat themselves every time.

The Suns had a lot of trouble with the Lakers last season(and since all the Lakers fans claim the Cavs are better, they should have a chance).

The Jazz split the season series with the Cavs, and with Deron beeing quite big and strong, but not really fast, they could play LeBron on him on D, without having Tony Parker type situations, so he should be able to contain him(their main scoring treat).

I think the Spurs are too good for 'em. And the Mavs, I think they would've been in the Finals again if they had any other draw than the Warriors.

As for the seed they would take, I think they would've easily gotten to the 5 seed(like the Lakers would've had, if they wouldn't have given up).

[QUOTE="Nene33"]I think you're overrating the West a little, some teams had quite a good reg. season record, but choked in their Play-off series.Gamer556

Suns, Spurs, Mavs, Jazz, Rockets, Nuggets

I think any of these teams could beat the Cavs in a 7 game series. If the Cavs were in the west they would be a 7th or 8th seed team and would get knocked out in the first round.

I really dont think the lakers could beat the Cavs because the Cavs have better role players for LeBron.

If Cavs win the finals LeBron will get ALL the credit. He'll win the MVP, his sponsers will sky-rocket, he'll be on every magazine cover that claims "He's the King," or "He's the Greatest Basketball Player Ever," etc. And he'll be the most talked about sport's icon in the world. But for the rest of the team....they'll get nothing but a ring.

I wonder if this makes his teammates jealous or have a slight animosity toward him? Also, could all this attention on LeBron cause the rest ofhis teammates on the Cavs not play to their full potential or lose some heart? Maybe.

But in contrast, if the Spurs win, sure Duncan will get most of the credit but it will be more balanced out. Ginobli will get credit, Parker will get credit, Bowen will get credit, and the Spurs will be credited as a team. Instead of just Duncan on the cover of every magazine, it will be the big three: Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli. And at this point in the series, either one can get the finals MVP.But if Cavs win, only one guy will get the credit.

I'm just wondering if this could have some influence on the rest of the Cavs' players because they know that no matter how good they play or how hard they play, at the end, LeBron will get the credit.

Kind of sucks for the rest of the Cavs' players. :(

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