Your thoughts on Kobe: Doin' Work

Tomorrow there is going to be a movie called Kobe: Goin' Fishin'.

Tomorrow there is going to be a movie called Kobe: Goin' Fishin'.

AHUGECAT

Did anybody else watch the film? I thought it was alright. I didn't know it was going to be him talking about only one game. I was hoping it would be more of his life outside the game too. It was interesting to hear what is going on in his head during a game though. Bruin4ev3r1520

[QUOTE="Bruin4ev3r1520"]Did anybody else watch the film? I thought it was alright. I didn't know it was going to be him talking about only one game. I was hoping it would be more of his life outside the game too. It was interesting to hear what is going on in his head during a game though. sixringz1

i liked it kobe is like the coach out there. I wish they would do more players and more sports of doin work.

pretty good so far but I wish they didn't make it 2 hours. I guess spike lee just wanted to see what goes in kobes mind come game time. It just goes to show how smart of a player he is when he's on the courtandyboiii

Tomorrow there is going to be a movie called Kobe: Goin' Fishin'.

AHUGECAT

Tomorrow there is going to be a movie called Kobe: Goin' Fishin'.

AHUGECAT

Obvioulsy it shows how the Spurs got cheated that day. Yup, nothing but cheaters these days. Also if you watch the deleted scenes it talks about Kobe wanting to elbow Parker in the face....

annoying, I don't care about Kobe Doin Work or Spike Lee, put real sports on. Or do a documentary. Kobe: Doin RapeBauers-Twin

[QUOTE="Bauers-Twin"]annoying, I don't care about Kobe Doin Work or Spike Lee, put real sports on. Or do a documentary. Kobe: Doin RapeLostboy1224

It reminded me of why Spike Lee movies suck. Kobe laughing at himself for two hours, wow, great idea spike.

It reminded me of why Spike Lee movies suck. Kobe laughing at himself for two hours, wow, great idea spike.

nikolai37

[QUOTE="nikolai37"]

It reminded me of why Spike Lee movies suck. Kobe laughing at himself for two hours, wow, great idea spike.

Bauers-Twin

It reminded me of why Spike Lee movies suck. Kobe laughing at himself for two hours, wow, great idea spike.

It reminded me of why Spike Lee movies suck. Kobe laughing at himself for two hours, wow, great idea spike.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Bauers-Twin"] haha agreed it was lame and pointless. Besides Lebron > Kobe. give Lebron a movie, he is less of an a hole, never cheated on his wife (not that he has one), never got accused of rape, and is better to begin with.Bauers-Twin

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Bauers-Twin"] haha agreed it was lame and pointless. Besides Lebron > Kobe. give Lebron a movie, he is less of an a hole, never cheated on his wife (not that he has one), never got accused of rape, and is better to begin with.Bauers-Twin

It;s called Kobe Doin' Work not Kobe Rapin' Hoes. Anyway, I enjoyed it. You don't really get to see how players break down their performance after a game, play by play. As a basketball fan, you have to respect what Spike Lee was trying to do, which is get in the head of basketball players while they are playing the game. Kobe fan or not, I recommend it to any fan of the game.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Bauers-Twin"] haha agreed it was lame and pointless. Besides Lebron > Kobe. give Lebron a movie, he is less of an a hole, never cheated on his wife (not that he has one), never got accused of rape, and is better to begin with.Bauers-Twin

sixringz, oh no you didn't!....dis my boy Kobe ;) You see Kobe as a fraud? Do you see Michael Jordan as a fraud also. MJ had "issues" with his teammates too, including punching a couple of them, verbal abuse, tanking a game(yep), problems with his coach who was fired(Collins)...etc. MJ also paid a woman to keep quiet about an affair. Not comparing that to Kobe's "alleged rape", but it's not quite respectable behavior either.

sixringz, oh no you didn't!....dis my boy Kobe ;) You see Kobe as a fraud? Do you see Michael Jordan as a fraud also. MJ had "issues" with his teammates too, including punching a couple of them, verbal abuse, tanking a game(yep), problems with his coach who was fired(Collins)...etc. MJ also paid a woman to keep quiet about an affair. Not comparing that to Kobe's "alleged rape", but it's not quite respectable behavior either.

mont13

[QUOTE="nikolai37"]

It reminded me of why Spike Lee movies suck. Kobe laughing at himself for two hours, wow, great idea spike.

Bauers-Twin

Ya in this movie he could talk about his jealousy of Bryant: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090205 -

"So James and Bryant remain rivals in many ways, not the least of which is their ongoing battle to be the most popular player in the world. People close to James say it bothered him that Bryant was the one getting the lion's share of the rock star treatment in China, and it had to come as a surprise to James that the Madison Square Garden crowd did not rally behind him in anything even remotely resembling the way it had showered Bryant with affection two nights earlier, the crowd becoming so vocally pro-Lakers at certain points that retired Indiana Pacer Reggie Miller couldn't resist the urge to text-message Spike Lee during the game to bust his chops about it."

it was good...but i wanted to see more of his day to day life

sixringz,

IMo, MJ took it to the personal level. I read somw where thta Horace Grant said he was ok with being traded to Orlando because Jordan said some things to him that he couldn't take and still consider himself a man. Maybe it was this: "you're an Idiot. Youv've screwed up every play we ever ran, Your'e too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you"-Michael to Horace Grant" Search on "jordan, 25 qoutes" for the link.

Other qoutes attributed to MJ:

• "Give me the *****ball" MJ to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine.
• "If you pass the ball to Bill Cartwright, you'll never get the ball from me"
• "He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." MJ yelling at Paxson who passed to Perdue.

As far as MJ and Doug Collins, I believe MJ had a big hand in Collins being fired. I don't believe it was as simple as Collins took the team as far as it could go. It was alos thta he couldn't get MJ to cooperate and play team ball. That hampered Collins getting the most out of the team. Don't have time to post links, but here are a couple of qoutes:

• "In 1988 Doug Collins said.. "Wanna know what the biggest problem in running our offense?.. It's MJ!..he won't pass the ball!!"
• "Doug Collins wanted MJ to pass the ball, MJ didn't like that too much!..and told Jerry Kraus the GM,,,"Either he goes or I go"!.

I remember Kobe not associating much with the teamafter games and teammates thinking he was "holier than thou". But I also remember Kobe saying he came to the NBA to play ball, and that he wasn't into going out to strip clubs and hanging out late night at clubs in general. So he got the "stuck up" label. Some people, myself included , are not into tta stuff an dget labeled. Kobe was all business when it came to practice and the games. I respected that, and didn't care if he didn't hang out with the fellas. Maybe if his teammates took the game as serious as Kobe thye would not have gotten swept so many times in the playoffs early on. If thye didn't get along wih Kobe for not hanging out and saw him as stuck up or aloof that speaks to their lack of maturity, not Kobe's.

I can't post links for some reason here at work and don't have time anyway, but their are links that say Jordan was criticized for shooting too much (I believe during a playoff game), so the next game he shot much less to make a selfish point, thus "tanking" the game. There's also a link that says Mj openly criticized his teammates to the media, if you think he wasn't doing it to outsiders in general, I believe you would be wrong.

No excuse, but Kobe "ratted" on Shaq when he was in panic mode, with his career and marriage about to go up in smoke. Many people do crazy, uncharacteristicthings in a panic. I think he was sweating bullets at that time trying to salvage his career/marriage and blurted out that Shaq had gotten out of this type of situation by bla, bla,bla.......can't I?? But if you see that as bad, I don't see MJ cheating onhis wife, then paying a woman to keep quiet about it as any better.

MJ's not much different from Kobe. Actualy I think MJ was more eogtistical, selfish, rutheless, mean spirited...etc. No time to spell check.

sixringz,

IMo, MJ took it to the personal level. I read somw where thta Horace Grant said he was ok with being traded to Orlando because Jordan said some things to him that he couldn't take and still consider himself a man. Maybe it was this: "you're an Idiot. Youv've screwed up every play we ever ran, Your'e too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you"-Michael to Horace Grant" Search on "jordan, 25 qoutes" for the link.

Other qoutes attributed to MJ:

• "Give me the *****ball" MJ to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine.
• "If you pass the ball to Bill Cartwright, you'll never get the ball from me"
• "He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." MJ yelling at Paxson who passed to Perdue.

As far as MJ and Doug Collins, I believe MJ had a big hand in Collins being fired. I don't believe it was as simple as Collins took the team as far as it could go. It was alos thta he couldn't get MJ to cooperate and play team ball. That hampered Collins getting the most out of the team. Don't have time to post links, but here are a couple of qoutes:

• "In 1988 Doug Collins said.. "Wanna know what the biggest problem in running our offense?.. It's MJ!..he won't pass the ball!!"
• "Doug Collins wanted MJ to pass the ball, MJ didn't like that too much!..and told Jerry Kraus the GM,,,"Either he goes or I go"!.

I remember Kobe not associating much with the teamafter games and teammates thinking he was "holier than thou". But I also remember Kobe saying he came to the NBA to play ball, and that he wasn't into going out to strip clubs and hanging out late night at clubs in general. So he got the "stuck up" label. Some people, myself included , are not into tta stuff an dget labeled. Kobe was all business when it came to practice and the games. I respected that, and didn't care if he didn't hang out with the fellas. Maybe if his teammates took the game as serious as Kobe thye would not have gotten swept so many times in the playoffs early on. If thye didn't get along wih Kobe for not hanging out and saw him as stuck up or aloof that speaks to their lack of maturity, not Kobe's.

I can't post links for some reason here at work and don't have time anyway, but their are links that say Jordan was criticized for shooting too much (I believe during a playoff game), so the next game he shot much less to make a selfish point, thus "tanking" the game. There's also a link that says Mj openly criticized his teammates to the media, if you think he wasn't doing it to outsiders in general, I believe you would be wrong.

No excuse, but Kobe "ratted" on Shaq when he was in panic mode, with his career and marriage about to go up in smoke. Many people do crazy, uncharacteristicthings in a panic. I think he was sweating bullets at that time trying to salvage his career/marriage and blurted out that Shaq had gotten out of this type of situation by bla, bla,bla.......can't I?? But if you see that as bad, I don't see MJ cheating onhis wife, then paying a woman to keep quiet about it as any better.

MJ's not much different from Kobe. Actualy I think MJ was more eogtistical, selfish, rutheless, mean spirited...etc. No time to spell check.

mont13

sixringz,

IMo, MJ took it to the personal level. I read somw where thta Horace Grant said he was ok with being traded to Orlando because Jordan said some things to him that he couldn't take and still consider himself a man. Maybe it was this: "you're an Idiot. Youv've screwed up every play we ever ran, Your'e too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you"-Michael to Horace Grant" Search on "jordan, 25 qoutes" for the link.

Other qoutes attributed to MJ:

• "Give me the *****ball" MJ to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine.
• "If you pass the ball to Bill Cartwright, you'll never get the ball from me"
• "He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." MJ yelling at Paxson who passed to Perdue.

As far as MJ and Doug Collins, I believe MJ had a big hand in Collins being fired. I don't believe it was as simple as Collins took the team as far as it could go. It was alos thta he couldn't get MJ to cooperate and play team ball. That hampered Collins getting the most out of the team. Don't have time to post links, but here are a couple of qoutes:

• "In 1988 Doug Collins said.. "Wanna know what the biggest problem in running our offense?.. It's MJ!..he won't pass the ball!!"
• "Doug Collins wanted MJ to pass the ball, MJ didn't like that too much!..and told Jerry Kraus the GM,,,"Either he goes or I go"!.

I remember Kobe not associating much with the teamafter games and teammates thinking he was "holier than thou". But I also remember Kobe saying he came to the NBA to play ball, and that he wasn't into going out to strip clubs and hanging out late night at clubs in general. So he got the "stuck up" label. Some people, myself included , are not into tta stuff an dget labeled. Kobe was all business when it came to practice and the games. I respected that, and didn't care if he didn't hang out with the fellas. Maybe if his teammates took the game as serious as Kobe thye would not have gotten swept so many times in the playoffs early on. If thye didn't get along wih Kobe for not hanging out and saw him as stuck up or aloof that speaks to their lack of maturity, not Kobe's.

I can't post links for some reason here at work and don't have time anyway, but their are links that say Jordan was criticized for shooting too much (I believe during a playoff game), so the next game he shot much less to make a selfish point, thus "tanking" the game. There's also a link that says Mj openly criticized his teammates to the media, if you think he wasn't doing it to outsiders in general, I believe you would be wrong.

No excuse, but Kobe "ratted" on Shaq when he was in panic mode, with his career and marriage about to go up in smoke. Many people do crazy, uncharacteristicthings in a panic. I think he was sweating bullets at that time trying to salvage his career/marriage and blurted out that Shaq had gotten out of this type of situation by bla, bla,bla.......can't I?? But if you see that as bad, I don't see MJ cheating onhis wife, then paying a woman to keep quiet about it as any better.

MJ's not much different from Kobe. Actualy I think MJ was more eogtistical, selfish, rutheless, mean spirited...etc. No time to spell check.

mont13

That's it. I'm not even gonna talk about the teammate part cause i started off this reply by saying "there's no point to go back and forth with these long posts" and that's exactly what i did. Lol. The bottom line is whether it's these 2 or other high level athletes, NONE OF THEM ARE PERFECT, they aren't the people kids should look up to, that's what families are for. Kobe just seems like a fraud to me. His actions of the last couple yrs seem a bit "too perfect" and a little over the top in my opinion.

I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, so untilKobe shows otherwise I believe and hope he's learned a lesson from the Colorado thing and I'll assume he is that devoted husband and father, even though I realize I could be wrong.

I'd say 90+% of the time I hear/read someone say Kobe did this or that negative thing and MJ would not or didn't do that, I find through research that MJ did the same things or worse. Come on sixringz, I think you and I are the "elder statesmen" of these threads, and I'm probably more elder than you, come on, no one else is reading, admit it, I won't tell anybody...MJ and Kobe are virtually the same dudes, right ;)

I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, so untilKobe shows otherwise I believe and hope he's learned a lesson from the Colorado thing and I'll assume he is that devoted husband and father, even though I realize I could be wrong.

I'd say 90+% of the time I hear/read someone say Kobe did this or that negative thing and MJ would not or didn't do that, I find through research that MJ did the same things or worse. Come on sixringz, I think you and I are the "elder statesmen" of these threads, and I'm probably more elder than you, come on, no one else is reading, admit it, I won't tell anybody...MJ and Kobe are virtually the same dudes, right ;)

mont13

Yep, we both know Kobe took what MJ did and added the long range "J" to it. Just as MJ took what Doc did and added the mid-range J and defense.Now Lebron has added the superior passing ability and power game. Right now some other lil snot nosed kid is bouncing a ball and will add something or do it all better...... my role in all this is to guard the Legacy of one Kobe Bean Bryant,who's skills are under appreciated (as Doc Rivers said)and whois geting a raw deal from manysimply because he came too close to MJ.

Come on, tell Uncle Monty the truth, you can't wait for Kobe and the Lakers to fail on this current mission so you can say..."see he ain't no Jordan, MJ woulda......." You already know what I will say. Since folks like to compare Kobe and MJ,....Kobe gets 7 years from the start of being the lead player to get it done, same as MJ. This isKobes 5th;) Now your turn to baby sit the kids and make sure no b'ball falsehoods go un challenged.

Yep, we both know Kobe took what MJ did and added the long range "J" to it. Just as MJ took what Doc did and added the mid-range J and defense.Now Lebron has added the superior passing ability and power game. Right now some other lil snot nosed kid is bouncing a ball and will add something or do it all better...... my role in all this is to guard the Legacy of one Kobe Bean Bryant,who's skills are under appreciated (as Doc Rivers said)and whois geting a raw deal from manysimply because he came too close to MJ.

Come on, tell Uncle Monty the truth, you can't wait for Kobe and the Lakers to fail on this current mission so you can say..."see he ain't no Jordan, MJ woulda......." You already know what I will say. Since folks like to compare Kobe and MJ,....Kobe gets 7 years from the start of being the lead player to get it done, same as MJ. This isKobes 5th;) Now your turn to baby sit the kids and make sure no b'ball falsehoods go un challenged.

mont13

Awwww man, just when I was about to let this thing go here you go with the unfair Kobe analysis...... All Kobe did last year is prove that young, inexperienced, soft teams don't win rings and are likely to get crushed by tough, 3 star, hungry veteran led teams, with the best defense in years. No shock to me.

How come MJ can go through 6 years ofnot even getting his team to the finals, that's ok,but Kobe gets knocked for getting his team there in 4 years, through the toughest west in years???? Circumstances mean everything, given them, kobe did well getting that team to the finals. Now that they have more experience, this year will tell more than last year did.

BTW, I expected more from "Kobe, doin work" too.