A Concept Forgotten: Relating to Characters

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#1 SkyCastleDan
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I have to write about this, although I know that I'm going to take a pounding from a lot of you on this board lol. Anyways, like novels, I love to take the time to really get to know the characters in my RPGs. I like finding a character that I can really relate to, one that shares similar character traits as me and maybe had a similar past. When reading a book, you never get a visual image of the character so its easy to fall in love with and declare similarities with a totally over the top character (unless of course its described to you in the most concrete way ever), heck it could be a talking hippo for peet's sake and it wouldn't matter because you can't actually see it, its all up to your imagination.

That's a big draw back for Final Fantasies in my opinion. Gamers actually SEE the characters. You can give them as good of a personality as you want, but if its Cait Sith walking around on your screen, its harder for you to relate to that character than to say Cloud because of their physical differences. I'm sure not everyone on this board plays RPGs for the story or the cast, but I like playing a game that not only offers me great gameplay, but also offers me a good cinematic feel. I guess thats why I have chosen Final Fantasy over all other RPGs in this world as my favorite video game series (although that opinion is starting to dwindle).

Now then, on to the concept forgotten. Its pretty obvious by just looking at them that the main characters of the several FFXIII games are completely over the top characters severly influenced by Japanese culture. Now I know that Asian culture is a big hit here in North America, but just by looking at them its hard for a non-anime fan to truly be able to find any sort of relationship with the characters. If the game was pure hack and slash which, sorry KH fans, Kingdom Hearts does come off as being, then it would be cool. But this is FINAL FANTASY darn it! But I'm not going to pick on FFXIII, I'm really going to pick on FFX-2. Take the girls from that game. Bright, cheerful sphere hunters that on the inside could relate to a million girls in this world......then there is the outside. Now I don't know if its just me, but how can a little girl possibly relate to a character that seems similar to her in personality but dresses like a ten cent hooker in a good way? In fact, how could she relate to the character at all? That goes for both Riku and Yuna! Paine seems a little more down to earth actually and would probably be easier for someone of the female sex to relate to. Then of course is the question: how the hell can any guy relate to the main characters of FFX-2? Seriously, the only main guy characters, aside from the leader of nu-yevon and the youth league, are made fun of the entire game! Just look at Brother! Now of course, if you're a homosexual, then maybe you can find something to relate to, I'm not saying anything bad about that. All I'm trying to point out here is yet another example of how Square is choosing style over heart in their Final Fantasy games lately.

Seriously, I love to relate myself directly to a charater when playing any FF game, and over the years I have found one distinct charcter in every FF to relate myself to. Zidane in FF9, Irvine in FF8, Cloud in FF7, Locke in FF6, Cain in FF4 etc.....but its becoming aparent to me, that Square may be becoming less interested in characters personalities and more interested in their sense of fashion. I like the way the characters from FF12 are looking, but I really fear for FFXIII. I have to make one last argument to back up this statement before I go. Just look at all the FF7 remakes coming out, with the same characters that we fell in love with back in 1997. The fact that Square keeps falling back on these characters makes me fear that they have lost touch with the ability to relate their characters to their gamers! I know the world is constantly evolving and that generation after generation brings new things to the table as far as trends and interests are concerned, and I wouldn't care even if I were outdated with this stuff, I'd still love to see it in a character. But Square seems to be unable to maybe create a character to relate to its current gamers inner personality, only their outer image. So far, what I see in the FFXIII screenshots only confirms this belief more.

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#2 LegendHunterX
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Its cause... our Beloved square is really a Faceless corporate beast. People seem numb to this little fact.

X2 I whole heartedly agree. Plus I guess its just trying to take symbolism to the max. How after the events of X created more of a sense of freedom!
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#3 Dark_Kain
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Wow, I was waiting for someone to finally make a post on that. Square has seriously veered away from realistic character development in favor of artistic style. And because of the lacking character development, it hurts the game as a whole. I wholeheartedly understand what you are saying when relating to a character makes a game or story all the more immersive. I'm curious to see what others think about this topic.
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#4 vyrizzle
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I second this whole opinion.  Its not only squareenix that has lost touch of fully developing characters, its just about every single developer.  I cant really think of that last RPG i played that i could fully relate to a character(alright i take that back cause i can relate to Riku in KH).  But the chance of me playing an RPG, that has an AMAZING storyline(i am a sucker for storylines) as well as AMAZING character developement, has been awhile.  I think everyone is trying to make gameplay thier main focus and forgetting about what RPGs are about.  They arent supposed to be ALL about dungeon crawling and short missions to progress the mediocre(sp) story, there needs to be something that touches my inner being.  I need to feel immersed in a character so i can really be apart of thier world.  I am hoping that FFXIII does that for me, otherwise i will just have to wait for FFIV and hope for the best.
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#5 JhasNeeh
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Couldn't agree more. I originally bought FF7 (using money from returning a faulty version of Theme Hospital) when I was a depressed and lonley 14 year old - and on so many levels I related to Cloud and was instantly addicted to the series.

X2 remains, along side IX, uncompleated by me, because I'm not being dragged back by needing to know about the cast. Who really wants to know how girly things can get anyway? In my opinion Yuna and Riku were not the same people from X.

As for the future, we'll have to see. But if the charactors are bland, then they will have no huge story that works so well - and it won't interest me for long. But hey, if I buy the game, but don't finish it, why do SE care? I still bought it.


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#6 LegendHunterX
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I second this whole opinion. Its not only squareenix that has lost touch of fully developing characters, its just about every single developer. .vyrizzle


Play God of War or Killer 7. It suprising the best characters in recent memory were from action games. But in all reality we cant say anything really right about now. I mean I love everyone from FF-X. FF-X2 must be removed from FF lore itself because it more of a sideways expansion.

FF is SquareEnix's premier product. They will pull out all stops on it. Just look at the developement times for games like Radiata Stories and FF XII.  Don't worry people.
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#7 SladeMcGowan
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Whatever happened to having a strong female lead in a Final Fantasy?  I'd like to see Final Fantasy at least try for gender equality.  I'm sick of seeing female characters in the newer Final Fantasies act like complete flakes!  I want there to be more equality in the series.  I long for the days of FFVI!!!

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#8 gamingqueen
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i totally agree with what you said , perhaps the only final fantasy character i enjoyed playing as was squall , he had all the elemnts to be a great ff character , the complxity in personality the uniqueness and character development through the game , while playing you can see how the relationship between him and rinoa develops from a side and he and himself and the others from another and i like it when he talks to himself you can actually relate this character to real people in life , we don't talk our mind loud ... we have people's feelings to care about and we're not honest all the time , we try to cover things up from all sides . just like when squall was taking care of the garden issues , he had many things to deal with and he was about to collapse , like what a normal person would do and was able to succeed cause of the support he got from his company ..
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Also, I hate the fact that the casts of each game seem to be getting younger and younger.  Why can't there be more generational equality?  I'd like to see a Final Fantasy game have a cast my age (I'm 24)!  I've been playing the series since the beginning and I have yet to see a cast that isn't cheesey and cute.

The only exceptions are FFVI and FFVII.

Cheers!

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#10 Am13roses
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wow i agree with everything so far on this topic, they do need more generational equality, i mean i doubt some 17 year old sword weilding teenager can actually handle the world getting destroyed, i mean c'mon, sure if the person is mature and similar to squall or cloud i can understand, but i mean tidus in X seemed like a very immature character and i was surprised he did manage to make it through the game, but yuna was more beleiveable because she knew what was gonna happen what she was gonna do, not some big headded athelete that could probablly get his ass wipped for him
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#11 Am13roses
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^ i mean wiped, not wipped, wow that just pretty much killed my whole statement
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lol agreed^
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#13 SkyCastleDan
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Also, I hate the fact that the casts of each game seem to be getting younger and younger.  Why can't there be more generational equality?  I'd like to see a Final Fantasy game have a cast my age (I'm 24)!  I've been playing the series since the beginning and I have yet to see a cast that isn't cheesey and cute.

The only exceptions are FFVI and FFVII.

Cheers!

Jessica

SladeMcGowan

Great comment to go along with this topic. I'm really hoping that I can find some sort of medium to relate with Balflear in FFXII mostly because he is in his early 20's, like myself. Age does have a lot to do with it and wether or not SE wants to admit, their audience is getting older now and they better start realizing it.

About the comment criticizing a 17 year old saving the world and all, I agree to some extent, but then again, the people around you can certainly make up for immaturity. Having strong bonds with other people can make you brave and give you the ability to handle things better. Then again, you have a great point about Tidus. All I can ever see a loud-mouth jock like that doing during the apocalypse is peeing himself while sucking his thumb. lol.

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Well FFVI does the best job of letting the player know about the lives that the other characters come from and it was done so well that even to this day you will have a hard time finding a game that comes even close to the way this game pulled it off.

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Even Kefka seems much more of a bad guy than sephiroth any day for a couple of reasons.  First off he brain washes terra in the beg.  Second he kills cyan's family and just about everyone in Doma Castle.  Third Kefka destroys the world and does not seem to care about anything except killing.

Sephiroth just kills aeris and destroys a town.

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#15 SkyCastleDan
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Well FFVI does the best job of letting the player know about the lives that the other characters come from and it was done so well that even to this day you will have a hard time finding a game that comes even close to the way this game pulled it off.

Even Kefka seems much more of a bad guy than sephiroth any day for a couple of reasons.  First off he brain washes terra in the beg.  Second he kills cyan's family and just about everyone in Doma Castle.  Third Kefka destroys the world and does not seem to care about anything except killing.

Sephiroth just kills aeris and destroys a town.

odin2019

First off, please list spoiler warnings if you're going to post something like that....I've played the game and probably most of this board has as well, but please, just in case okay? About Kefka vs Sephiroth, this is a topic all in its own and I do believe that your analysis is far too simple. Yes, Kefka rules because he is truly pure evil. But when comparing the two, you need to look at how SE is presenting its villians, they all have reasons now to do what they're doing. Besides, just killing people doesn't make a villain, intentions make a villain and I truly believe that Sephiroth's intentions are far better told, presented and far more interesting than one insane Kefka.