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#1 fuzzysquash
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Most of you know me as a Sony supporter--or, what they call on here a "cow". So you may think it's weird that I'd make this thread. In fact, in a previous blog of mine I made the exact opposite argument--namely, that PS3 will win.

But every good argument deserves a rebuttal, and I think KeyWii's thread was pretty good. So here goes...

11 reasons why the Xbox 360 will win. 

1. Games...lots of 'em

2. Price

Let's face it: price matters. And in this very competitive environment, consumers pay attention to price. With the PS3 priced at $600, and the 20 gig version being dropped, the price of the PS3 effectively shuts out a large portion of consumers who simply can't afford it. Furthermore, the price of the PS3 places it as a "Mercedes" type of product, which is not a good perception in the eyes of the average consumer, who prefers value over pompousness.

In the words of Sony CEO Howard Stringer himself: "If we fail, it is because we positioned PS3 sales as the Mercedes of the videogame field." Source

3. First out the Gate

The fact that the 360 was first out the gate is significant. Momentum is very important in this race, and the 360 had the starting momentum and the ability to last the race. The Wii currently has more momentum, but will its technology still be compelling 3 or 4 years down the line? The PS3 at the present time has virtually no momentum, and there is no guarantee that future titles in its repertoire will propel it past the 360.

4. Comparative Advantage

I employ this term not in its traditional sense--namely, when it is used to describe desparities in production efficiency. What I mean by "comparative advantage" is that when a consumer evaluates the 360 and the PS3 side by side, they see that they get the same value for a cheaper price with the 360. When Sony showed off the E3 CG trailers, and then revealed what their games really looked like, everyone saw that the PS3 and 360's graphical capabilities were approximately the same. When you buy a 360, you're basically getting games that look just as good or better for a lower price.

5. Choice

The 360 offers options in its SKU's. The PS3 has one model which costs a prohibitive price. The 360 offers the core, the premium, and now the Elite. This allows it to branch out and touch every income category of the market, which in turn means more sales for the console to a broader audience.

6. Blu-ray?

Sony defenders argue that blu-ray will propel Playstation 3 sales when it wins over HD-DVD. While blu-ray does have a good likelihood of winning, who's to say that the market is even ready for blu-ray? Most folks won't want to replace their entire DVD collection for a marginal increase in fidelity--only the hardcore technology fans are likely to do so.

As for the argument that blu-ray is needed, here's a thought: if the massive world of Oblivion won't fill a DVD9, why is blu-ray needed? It seems that Sony has stepped too far into the future for its own good. Blu-ray doesn't help the PS3--it cripples it, because blu-ray increases the production cost of the console and makes it hard for Sony to price it cheaper. Merrill Lynch estimates that Sony loses $200-$300 per console, no doubt in part because of blu-ray.

Moreover, people who want a game system but not an expensive movie player will see more value in the 360 than the PS3.

7. Secure Exclusives

The PS3's top killer app titles--i.e. MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII--are third-party. That means they always have the potential of being stolen away. Look at GTA IV and DMC4...those were two franchises that two years back, no one would have imagined launching simultaneously on the 360. The 360's killer titles, on the other hand--i.e. Halo 3, Gears of War 2, and Mass Effect--are first or second party titles that could never be stolen. When you're considering a console purchase, you know for sure that the only system you're going to be able to play those games on--ever--is the Xbox 360.

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8. Levelling the Playing Field

Last generation, a lot of publishers were hesitant to jump on the Xbox bandwagon, as the platform was still untested. This time around, there is no question on the mind of any publisher that Microsoft has the intention and wherewithal to succeed. That's why you're seeing so many games going multiplat. Japanese developers are climbing aboard too. The support of gamemakers like Capcom and Mistwalker are sure to increase the diversity of the 360's portfolio vis-a-vis the PS3's.

The argument that Xbox 360 only offers shooters, and therefore won't appeal to people looking for a diverse library is ridiculous. Look at the list above--it is no less diverse than the one in the "10 Reasons" PS3 thread. Microsoft has also done a better job of securing third-party exclusives--titles like Bioshock and Splinter Cell 5 prove the point.

9. Master Chief

Sure, Sony's got Kratos, but how many units does Kratos move? God of War only sold 2.5 million, and its sequel has just passed 1 million, but Halo 1 and 2 combined have sold a whopping 14.3 million. Looks like the energy sword is greater than the Blades of Athena.

10. Xbox Live

Let's be frank: Xbox Live is a tried and true service. Playstation Network and Home? Not so much. Let's also not forget that Sony tends to over-promise and under-deliver. Setting up a dependable, consistent online service is no small task, and there is good reason to doubt that Sony will surpass Microsoft in the online sector.

11. Multiplats are better looking, score higher, and have better framerates on the 360

The majority of multiplat games have scored higher, looked better, and run smoother on the 360 than the PS3. Gamespot did a comparison of multiplats awhile back, and here was their conclusion:

"The Xbox 360 had better graphics in almost all the games we examined...the Xbox 360 games generally offered better framerates too."

Check out the comparisons for yourself: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162742/p-8.html

In conclusion, the Xbox 360 is just as good of a deal as the PS3, without the mandatory feature of an expensive movie player, and all at a lower price for the consumer who knows what's most important--games.

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#2 Kook18
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you confuse me with every post you make fuzzy, i can't tell who you're fighting for. haev mah babehs.
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#3 AHUGECAT
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The Wii will easily beat the Xbox 360 sales wise, but game wise it comes in last.
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#4 springz300
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good rebuttal
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#5 Click_Clock
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From viewing everything in this thread, I came to the conclusion that the PS3 just plain sucks.
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#6 danneswegman
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i think manticores will win this gen.
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#7 Kook18
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i think manticores will win this gen.danneswegman
just like last gen :o and all the gens before that!
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#8 subrosian
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i think manticores will win this gen.danneswegman

Doubt it. Not with the prices on Vista, DX10 cards, PS3s, and 360s. Manticores are going to pay a *ton* of money for, frankly, fewer and fewer unique games on each platform. Given how many games will be multiplatform, manticores are eating a lot of hardware cost to get access to just a few games. 

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#9 Mr_Power
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there are some reasons on that list dude, and i do agree with your points
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The Wii will easily beat the Xbox 360 sales wise, but game wise it comes in last.AHUGECAT

thats a matter of opinion. me personally as a 360 owner and a wii owner, believe with the market lead the wii will achieve it will get more games than the other 2. also because its so different from the other 2 its more likely to get exclusives, also with its huge japan sales, its more likely to get jrpgs, which sell huge in japan. more sales=more games. the wii library will be great. if it somehow finishes last in that category, than the PS3 and 360 must have got nothing but AAAs from here on in.

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#11 -Reggaeton-
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Your games list have many mulitplat games and many that are really unipressive.

First out of the gate? So was dreamcast.

PSN is already better than live.

Hardware problems. My 360 is about a month old and it has frozen 5 times already.

360 has yet to sell 10mil. And its been out for how long now?

 

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#13 jg4xchamp
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great post and glad that not all cows are blind fanboys. im glad theres still gamers on this site, and not blind fanboys.
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#14 Marka1700
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Quite a number of good current and upcomming games that could be added to the list.

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#15 Ibacai
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Well done Fuzzysquash. My only point of contention is when you link the GS multiplat comparison. After reading that and playing the games was the only time I ever called a GS writer an idiot. But I guess it's valid here. Again, good post.
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#16 SambaLele
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this is the proof that KeyWii's thread is a great thread. this one was made with the same structure. Somewhat both inspired by it and copying it.

But still, ppl don't take that thread seriously, just because KeyWii made it. The fact is, even the most discredited ppl can come up with great ideas and comments and collaborate with any debate.

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Yet no one gets stalker but hermits.
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good post lol?
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you confuse me with every post you make fuzzy, i can't tell who you're fighting for. haev mah babehs.Kook18

oh my and yes i think this thread is very good against KiiWiis or however you spell it

but actually Oblivion wasnt that big i read that somewhere from a link somebody posted about DVD9's not being big enough 

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#20 Marka1700
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Your games list have many mulitplat games and many that are really unipressive.

First out of the gate? So was dreamcast. (And the dreamcast was an excelet system, but there many comparisons that still cant be made)

PSN is already better than live. (Live has more than 10 Time that content PSN has, even seen PSN has laucned, Some multiplate demos have appeared on live and not PSN.  Servers are latency is higher when playing games.  You get what you pay for)

Hardware problems. My 360 is about a month old and it has frozen 5 times already. ( I can do that to.  My PS3 has froze 9 time and sratched 10 disks, I can lie to.  Both my PS3 and 360 are running fine since I bought them.)

360 has yet to sell 10mil. And its been out for how long now? (You can prove that how?)

 

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#21 fuzzysquash
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you confuse me with every post you make fuzzy, i can't tell who you're fighting for. haev mah babehs.Kook18

lol, I guess I like looking at things from different perspectives. 

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#22 SambaLele
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and by comparing both threads i think KeyWii's has the edge. His reasons, sum up how good the PS3 is selling (faster than the 360 did in the same time gap, but the PS3 doesn't has yet no exclusive AAA title and costs more, so it'll probably sell even faster soon enough) and the fact that your number 11 reason isn't truth anymore (multiplats are begining to look better on the PS3), makes me think that the PS3 is in it's way to surpass the competition with time.
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#23 HostileEffect
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I have to agree that Blu-ray is not needed right now but it is nice to have and could be of use to PC gamers. I could back up both of the harddrives in my computer on one disc or I could put my absurd game collection - my collection totals about $3,000 in games - onto one disc.
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#24 tool_rage
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Nice.
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#25 klactose
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Good Post, one of the best I've seen here on GS. Seems to present a pretty balanced and well thought out argument, without the use of trickery or blatantly misrepresentative information (my biggest problem with KeyWii's thread was the inclusion of Bioshock as a PS3 title).

I'm not sure any console will score a crushing victory over it's competitors, however it is pretty clear to me that in terms of market share, MS and Nintendo will both be winners compared to their previous attempt, while Sony will be a loser in that same regard.

Cheers and keep up the good work.

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#26 kruesader
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great,smart sensible post .
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#27 ChupacabraIII
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Wow SW really went to the Crapper. Its nice to see there are still some decent threads here. Good points, fuzzy, one of the few names i still recognize.
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#28 bsin94
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Great thread, must have spent quite some time on it.
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#29 klactose
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Your games list have many mulitplat games and many that are really unipressive.

First out of the gate? So was dreamcast.

PSN is already better than live.

Hardware problems. My 360 is about a month old and it has frozen 5 times already.

360 has yet to sell 10mil. And its been out for how long now?

 

-Reggaeton-

You almost prove his point. You are doubting the 360 yet you own one and are only a "future" PS3 owner. Very interesting indeed... perhaps reasons #2 and #5 played some role in your (or your parents) purchasing decision.

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#30 cakeorrdeath
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To be honest I think in the end this all comes down to games and price. As long as the 360 can continue to show it has equal or better library than the PS3 with a lower price point it will keep its lead.

 There will of coarse always be people who buy a system for other reasos (Blu-Ray, Xbox live, etc) but these are vastly in the minority.

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[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]

Your games list have many mulitplat games and many that are really unipressive.

First out of the gate? So was dreamcast.

PSN is already better than live.

Hardware problems. My 360 is about a month old and it has frozen 5 times already.

360 has yet to sell 10mil. And its been out for how long now?

 

klactose

You almost prove his point. You are doubting the 360 yet you own one and are only a "future" PS3 owner. Very interesting indeed... perhaps reasons #2 and #5 played some role in your (or your parents) purchasing decision.

By getting a 360 with 15 games for FREE?

And my parents havent bought me anything but socks and t shirts since i was 17.

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To be honest I think in the end this all comes down to games and price. As long as the 360 can continue to show it has equal or better library than the PS3 with a lower price point it will keep its lead.

There will of coarse always be people who buy a system for other reasos (Blu-Ray, Xbox live, etc) but these are vastly in the minority.

cakeorrdeath

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YOu became a Mod?! OWNAGE!!!   

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you confuse me with every post you make fuzzy, i can't tell who you're fighting for. haev mah babehs.Kook18

 

He is clearly supporting PS3, since the list is missing a HOST of games, like Cry On, Eternal Sonata, Infinite Undiscovery, Two Worlds, Overlord, Elveon, Too Human, Ninja gaiden 2, Alan Wake, Thesies etc etc

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#34 ChupacabraIII
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[QUOTE="klactose"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]

Your games list have many mulitplat games and many that are really unipressive.

First out of the gate? So was dreamcast.

PSN is already better than live.

Hardware problems. My 360 is about a month old and it has frozen 5 times already.

360 has yet to sell 10mil. And its been out for how long now?

 

-Reggaeton-

You almost prove his point. You are doubting the 360 yet you own one and are only a "future" PS3 owner. Very interesting indeed... perhaps reasons #2 and #5 played some role in your (or your parents) purchasing decision.

By getting a 360 with 15 games for FREE?

And my parents havent bought me anything but socks and t shirts since i was 17.

PSN isn't better than live

 I'm no Lemming, but PSN is not better. The services are similar but Live is way better.

 

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#35 fuzzysquash
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Wow SW really went to the Crapper. Its nice to see there are still some decent threads here. Good points, fuzzy, one of the few names i still recognize.ChupacabraIII

hey man, thanks for the shout-out :) 

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To be honest I think in the end this all comes down to games and price. As long as the 360 can continue to show it has equal or better library than the PS3 with a lower price point it will keep its lead.

 There will of coarse always be people who buy a system for other reasos (Blu-Ray, Xbox live, etc) but these are vastly in the minority.

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When in the heck did you become a MOD? Let alone a MOD MOD? I've only been gone a week! Well anyway, congrats!

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[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="klactose"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]

Your games list have many mulitplat games and many that are really unipressive.

First out of the gate? So was dreamcast.

PSN is already better than live.

Hardware problems. My 360 is about a month old and it has frozen 5 times already.

360 has yet to sell 10mil. And its been out for how long now?

 

ChupacabraIII

You almost prove his point. You are doubting the 360 yet you own one and are only a "future" PS3 owner. Very interesting indeed... perhaps reasons #2 and #5 played some role in your (or your parents) purchasing decision.

By getting a 360 with 15 games for FREE?

And my parents havent bought me anything but socks and t shirts since i was 17.

PSN isn't better than live

I'm no Lemming, but PSN is not better. The services are similar but Live is way better.

 

The only good thing is that the dls are pretty fast. But im not happy to have to pay 70e/year for it. And im not going too. 

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#38 Viviath
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[QUOTE="Kook18"]you confuse me with every post you make fuzzy, i can't tell who you're fighting for. haev mah babehs.fuzzysquash

lol, I guess I like looking at things from different perspectives.

seriously, you are always arguing for all the sides and thats a good thing because very few posters actually say anything worth listening to. Keep it up, and although i find your post to be very insightful I cant say that I completley agree. 

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#39 SergeantSnitch
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To be honest I think in the end this all comes down to games and price. As long as the 360 can continue to show it has equal or better library than the PS3 with a lower price point it will keep its lead.

There will of coarse always be people who buy a system for other reasos (Blu-Ray, Xbox live, etc) but these are vastly in the minority.

cakeorrdeath


But who's to say that the 360 will always have better games than the PS3?  I think PS3 games will definitely start to surpass that of the 360.
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#40 alishareef
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Excellent points, finally a good thread in 'system wars'

Whenever I point out the comparison that GAMESPOT STAFF made regarding multiplat games cowz just ignore them or turn a blind eye : http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162742/p-8.html

I think the ps3 will have very good games like MGS4 but a lot of cows who forked out $600 feel insecure about their system and desperately want it to win.

 

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[QUOTE="ChupacabraIII"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="klactose"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]

Your games list have many mulitplat games and many that are really unipressive.

First out of the gate? So was dreamcast.

PSN is already better than live.

Hardware problems. My 360 is about a month old and it has frozen 5 times already.

360 has yet to sell 10mil. And its been out for how long now?

 

-Reggaeton-

You almost prove his point. You are doubting the 360 yet you own one and are only a "future" PS3 owner. Very interesting indeed... perhaps reasons #2 and #5 played some role in your (or your parents) purchasing decision.

By getting a 360 with 15 games for FREE?

And my parents havent bought me anything but socks and t shirts since i was 17.

PSN isn't better than live

I'm no Lemming, but PSN is not better. The services are similar but Live is way better.

 

The only good thing is that the dls are pretty fast. But im not happy to have to pay 70e/year for it. And im not going too.

Fast Dls, backround Dls and a decent sized community. Yeah, pay the monthly fee is :lol:'able though

 

lemmings lol 

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#42 nick3333
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I own an Xbox 360 and love it but I think the PS3 is simply a better overall device. I should know, I just bought one a few days ago.
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#43 wiistation360
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you can add more games.also make a point about 360 doing far better in RPG

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#44 snakeofsolid
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Your games list have many mulitplat games and many that are really unipressive.

First out of the gate? So was dreamcast.

PSN is already better than live.

Hardware problems. My 360 is about a month old and it has frozen 5 times already.

360 has yet to sell 10mil. And its been out for how long now?

 

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to me dreamcast was in some strange limbo between current and next gen 

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#45 cakeorrdeath
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To be honest I think in the end this all comes down to games and price. As long as the 360 can continue to show it has equal or better library than the PS3 with a lower price point it will keep its lead.

There will of coarse always be people who buy a system for other reasos (Blu-Ray, Xbox live, etc) but these are vastly in the minority.

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But who's to say that the 360 will always have better games than the PS3? I think PS3 games will definitely start to surpass that of the 360.

 

I think it is completely up in the air at this point as to who will eventually have the best library. I do think the 360 has more high profile releases for this year though. Whether they will live up to the hype is anyones guess.

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#47 the-very-best
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I think MS' main concern atm should be the price. The 360 already has the year head start with 10 million or so sales which in my view is quite good. They can continue to keep that lead if the consumer believes they can get the games that are on the PS3 for a cheaper price with the 360.

I'm not going to comment on the channel stuffing since I have no reason to believe it's true. It could just be some sections of the media trying to bring down MS.

My prediction: 360 comes in 2nd after the PS3 with a total of 30-40 million units sold. I originally estimated more but PS3 is shaping up to be better than I expected which will translate into more sales for it.

The only problem atm is the Elite. I think it's going to be marked as a terrible decision by MS since the Elite helps justify the PS3 price which is something MS really shouldn't be doing.

Good thread btw. ;) 

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Hey you left out the 360's hardware problems.
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#49 the-very-best
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Hey you left out the 360's hardware problems.Ghetto_Kid

That's a counter argument and can easily be countered by the fact that PS2 won despite having significant hardware problems.

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Man another thread that rocks. I'm telling you that fuzzy and KeyWii make killer threads.