12 solid reasons why PS3 is not the ultimate choice for next gen gaming

A spin off from the other thread

1. Its too expensive for a game console. Sure, its cheap for a high def video player, but gamers dont have that sort of cash to spend

2. The online sucks. Yeah its free, but how does it compare to Xbox Live? It doesnt. "Home" is coming, but is just another way for Sony to milk you through advertisement and microtransaction revenue

3. PS3 sucking in its key market Japan, where its getting dominated by the Wii. The 360 is even making up some ground there.

4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

5. The PS3 wont have any exclusive games that are any good until at least 2008. By that time we will have all played Mass Effect, Bioshock and Halo 3 to death while the only good games you get to play are multiplatform

6. The 360 is stealing the PS3's exclusives. GTA. DMC. FF13? MGS?

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

8. Multiplatform games look better on the 360.

Just realized i spent way too much time on this thread....
Someone else do 9-12, its not hard to think of reasons why the ps3 will tank.

9. Every console priced over $300 has failed.

10. Traditionally, console enjoy their best sales at the $200 pricepoint (& below).

If you don't want it, then don't buy it and live without it.

A spin off from the other thread

1. Its too expensive for a game console. Sure, its cheap for a high def video player, but gamers dont have that sort of cash to spend

   Some gamers do. You are making faulty assumptions, and there is always some who would say that $600 is well worth it for what you get in return.

2. The online sucks. Yeah its free, but how does it compare to Xbox Live? It doesnt. "Home" is coming, but is just another way for Sony to milk you through advertisement and microtransaction revenue

   Uh, its free and it plays games online. Thats all it needs to do. Your arguement is terrible, as Sony even said they weren't going to copy XBL's format.

3. PS3 sucking in its key market Japan, where its getting dominated by the Wii. The 360 is even making up some ground there.

   Still outsells the 360 there, by a lot. And it will pick up momentum after more games are released.

4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

   Neither does the Wii. Neither did the 360 5 months in. Give it time.

5. The PS3 wont have any exclusive games that are any good until at least 2008. By that time we will have all played Mass Effect, Bioshock and Halo 3 to death while the only good games you get to play are multiplatform

   Or so you say. Who judges good? Oh yeah, thats individual preference. The PS3 will have quality games in 2007. You are foolish to think it won't.

6. The 360 is stealing the PS3's exclusives. GTA. DMC. FF13? MGS?

   And the PS3 is getting some 360 exclusives. The era of major 3rd party exclusives is drying up. Oh well.

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

    First Halo sold 5 million, Second Halo sold 8 million. While great selling for Xbox titles, they did not top last gens sales chart. They were up there, but that is only one game.

8. Multiplatform games look better on the 360.

   So far. I expect most every multiplatform game to look roughly equal within the year, and stay that way for the rest of the generation. Remember, developers are more familiar with the 360 due to time spent with it to this point. That will change.

Just realized i spent way too much time on this thread....
Someone else do 9-12, its not hard to think of reasons why the ps3 will tank.

apolloluke

    Again, just like the thread you are trying to copy and refute, you are assuming too much, and trying to make your opinions come off as fact. For that, you fail.

    All three of the systems are here to stay. Deal with it. And each will offer somthing that the others cannot. And by the end of this generation, all three will have a decent market segment.

Nice thread.. yeah !

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[QUOTE="apolloluke"]

A spin off from the other thread

1. Its too expensive for a game console. Sure, its cheap for a high def video player, but gamers dont have that sort of cash to spend

   Some gamers do. You are making faulty assumptions, and there is always some who would say that $600 is well worth it for what you get in return.

2. The online sucks. Yeah its free, but how does it compare to Xbox Live? It doesnt. "Home" is coming, but is just another way for Sony to milk you through advertisement and microtransaction revenue

   Uh, its free and it plays games online. Thats all it needs to do. Your arguement is terrible, as Sony even said they weren't going to copy XBL's format.

3. PS3 sucking in its key market Japan, where its getting dominated by the Wii. The 360 is even making up some ground there.

   Still outsells the 360 there, by a lot. And it will pick up momentum after more games are released.

4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

   Neither does the Wii. Neither did the 360 5 months in. Give it time.

5. The PS3 wont have any exclusive games that are any good until at least 2008. By that time we will have all played Mass Effect, Bioshock and Halo 3 to death while the only good games you get to play are multiplatform

   Or so you say. Who judges good? Oh yeah, thats individual preference. The PS3 will have quality games in 2007. You are foolish to think it won't.

6. The 360 is stealing the PS3's exclusives. GTA. DMC. FF13? MGS?

   And the PS3 is getting some 360 exclusives. The era of major 3rd party exclusives is drying up. Oh well.

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

    First Halo sold 5 million, Second Halo sold 8 million. While great selling for Xbox titles, they did not top last gens sales chart. They were up there, but that is only one game.

8. Multiplatform games look better on the 360.

   So far. I expect most every multiplatform game to look roughly equal within the year, and stay that way for the rest of the generation. Remember, developers are more familiar with the 360 due to time spent with it to this point. That will change.

Just realized i spent way too much time on this thread....
Someone else do 9-12, its not hard to think of reasons why the ps3 will tank.

SpruceCaboose

    Again, just like the thread you are trying to copy and refute, you are assuming too much, and trying to make your opinions come off as fact. For that, you fail.

    All three of the systems are here to stay. Deal with it. And each will offer somthing that the others cannot. And by the end of this generation, all three will have a decent market segment.

/thread 

4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

   Neither does the Wii. Neither did the 360 5 months in. Give it time.

SpruceCaboose

5 months in, the 360 had oblivion, GRAW, burnout, Dead or alive 4, PGR 3, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo. Those were all really good games.

A spin off from the other thread

1. Its too expensive for a game console. Sure, its cheap for a high def video player, but gamers dont have that sort of cash to spend

False generalisation.

2. The online sucks. Yeah its free, but how does it compare to Xbox Live? It doesnt. "Home" is coming, but is just another way for Sony to milk you through advertisement and microtransaction revenue

Its free, and it allows you to do similar stuff to Xbox Live. The only reason XBox LIve is any good is because you pay to make it so. PS3 delivers a lot for a free service.

3. PS3 sucking in its key market Japan, where its getting dominated by the Wii. The 360 is even making up some ground there.

Yes it is doing poorly in Japan compared to the Wii. But no, the Xbox 360 is not making up some ground there. Not in any way, shape or form. Europe looks to be the PS3's strongest market at the moment, but for how long?

4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

Fair point.

5. The PS3 wont have any exclusive games that are any good until at least 2008. By that time we will have all played Mass Effect, Bioshock and Halo 3 to death while the only good games you get to play are multiplatform

Fair point.

6. The 360 is stealing the PS3's exclusives. GTA. DMC. FF13? MGS?

Metal Gear Solid 4 won't come to the 360. FF13 is more likely to go to Wii then XBox 360, due to Wii's popularity in Japan. But yes, this is a worrying trend for PS3 owners.

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

I'm sure that from the vast catalogue of PS2 games, Sony or 3rd parties can make a game with incredible online for PS3.And there is a chance Killzone 2 will be good...

8. Multiplatform games look better on the 360.

Depends on the game. Another false generalisation.

Just realized i spent way too much time on this thread....
Someone else do 9-12, its not hard to think of reasons why the ps3 will tank.

apolloluke

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]
4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

   Neither does the Wii. Neither did the 360 5 months in. Give it time.

Codename33

5 months in, the 360 had oblivion, GRAW, burnout, Dead or alive 4, PGR 3, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo. Those were all really good games.

And the PS3 has really good games out aswell, what's your point? 

1. take the 360, add wifi, Live membership and a larger hard drive and the prices are comparible. Just to get what i have with the Ps3 I would have to spend a lot more than $399 on the 360. I keep hearing this price argument but at the end of the day for "most" of us the 360 will not do everything the ps3 will straight out of the box. 

2. online could be better with the ps3 but it's not horrible or anything.   

4. this subjective, a good game to you may not be the same for me. However the 360's selection of games is much larger but that's expected due to having a one year head start don't you think?

5. this is why some people own both consoles. I will never miss out on exclusives but you do have a good point. I will use the ps3 most of the time. Games like NCAA 2008, Nascar, Madden, GTA, The Darkness, Spidey 3 etc etc will be on both systems and I will choose to buy the PS3 version. People keep talking about exclusives but there are a lot of multiplatform games coming out in the future that i will spend a ton of time playing and those will be purchased for the ps3. One major reason I will pick the PS3 version is because of hardware reliabilty with the 360. I don't want to almost be at the end of a level and the hardware crap out. I don't want to be in a tight game in madden and about to score a TD to take the lead and have to play the game all over again because Microsoft can't design a better console. 

7. The Halo thing really doesn't bother me much. Hell I havent even played the first 2. For some reason i just never got into the whole Halo thing.  I may buy it this time around just to see what all of the fuss is about but I am not sitting around counting the days until it is released or anything.

8. Subjective also, i think in the future with more multi's coming out you will probably not notice much of a difference. Not enough to truly decide who the clear winner is. 

Is the PS3 the ultimate choice for next gen? Who knows, too early to tell. Neither machine has been around long enough to get a good idea really. Both consoles have their pros and cons.  But as I said earlier its about personal preference. I have both consoles and right now I just enjoy playing the Ps3 more. For me it has more qualities that fit what i want in a console not to mention I don't have to worry about hardware problems. Other people will choose the 360 and they have their reason. To each their own. That's how it should be.

We all win if both consoles do well. The gaming market needs competition because in the end thats how us the consumers get great products. I actually want to see both succeed because that means more fun for all of us. 

[QUOTE="Codename33"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]
4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

   Neither does the Wii. Neither did the 360 5 months in. Give it time.

tonythestudent

5 months in, the 360 had oblivion, GRAW, burnout, Dead or alive 4, PGR 3, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo. Those were all really good games.

And the PS3 has really good games out aswell, what's your point? 

The ps3 has oblivion and resistance and... wait where are all the other good games?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]
4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

Neither does the Wii. Neither did the 360 5 months in. Give it time.

Codename33

5 months in, the 360 had oblivion, GRAW, burnout, Dead or alive 4, PGR 3, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo. Those were all really good games.

    PS3 has Resistence, VF5, MotorStorm, Oblivion, Call of Duty 3, Tekken 5, Def Jam: Icon, NBA Street Homecourt, and Splinter Cell: DA.

    Point taken yet? 

A spin off from the other thread

1. Its too expensive for a game console. Sure, its cheap for a high def video player, but gamers dont have that sort of cash to spend

2. The online sucks. Yeah its free, but how does it compare to Xbox Live? It doesnt. "Home" is coming, but is just another way for Sony to milk you through advertisement and microtransaction revenue

3. PS3 sucking in its key market Japan, where its getting dominated by the Wii. The 360 is even making up some ground there.

4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

5. The PS3 wont have any exclusive games that are any good until at least 2008. By that time we will have all played Mass Effect, Bioshock and Halo 3 to death while the only good games you get to play are multiplatform

6. The 360 is stealing the PS3's exclusives. GTA. DMC. FF13? MGS?

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

8. Multiplatform games look better on the 360.

Just realized i spent way too much time on this thread....
Someone else do 9-12, its not hard to think of reasons why the ps3 will tank.

apolloluke

Wow....I have to go soon, so I'll only tear up 1 part.

GTA-announced multi from the get go, not a lost exclusive.

DMC4-ok

FFXIII-no....spinoff=/real thing, and it's not even 100% confirmed (other consoles).

MGS4-no.....

[QUOTE="Codename33"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]
4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

Neither does the Wii. Neither did the 360 5 months in. Give it time.

SpruceCaboose

5 months in, the 360 had oblivion, GRAW, burnout, Dead or alive 4, PGR 3, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo. Those were all really good games.

    PS3 has Resistence, VF5, MotorStorm, Oblivion, Call of Duty 3, Tekken 5, Def Jam: Icon, NBA Street Homecourt, and Splinter Cell: DA.

    Point taken yet? 

Okay, besides resistance and oblivion, you've put a timed exclusive, a game with no depth whatsoever, multiple inferior multiplats (to 360 versions) and a rehashed ps2 game. That's a great quality list, huh?

Still getting one. Sorry.Bread_or_Decide

Just curious but why do you not have one yet?

1. I'm well off.  2. Home  3. It's doing well there.  4. Game development takes a 2-3 year cycle.  5. See 4.  6. Besides GTA when were the others multi?  7. Halo blows since the first one, try Planetside.  8. Oblivion looks better on PS3.

LosDaddie - 9. PS2 didn't fail.  10. GC failed.

GRAW was awsome, hard at times but awsome none the less.l34052

    Yes, yes it was. One of only a few games I felt compelled to beat multiple times. 

1. I'm well off. 2. Home 3. It's doing well there. 4. Game development takes a 2-3 year cycle. 5. See 4. 6. Besides GTA when were the others multi? 7. Halo blows since the first one, try Planetside. 8. Oblivion looks better on PS3.

LosDaddie - 9. PS2 didn't fail. 10. GC failed.

NobuoMusicMaker

    Halo is a superb game series. Also, Oblivion had an extra year in development to optimize code. That is a weak example at best. 

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Codename33"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]
4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

Neither does the Wii. Neither did the 360 5 months in. Give it time.

Codename33

5 months in, the 360 had oblivion, GRAW, burnout, Dead or alive 4, PGR 3, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo. Those were all really good games.

    PS3 has Resistence, VF5, MotorStorm, Oblivion, Call of Duty 3, Tekken 5, Def Jam: Icon, NBA Street Homecourt, and Splinter Cell: DA.

    Point taken yet? 

Okay, besides resistance and oblivion, you've put a timed exclusive, a game with no depth whatsoever, multiple inferior multiplats (to 360 versions) and a rehashed ps2 game. That's a great quality list, huh?

A spin off from the other thread

1. Its too expensive for a game console. Sure, its cheap for a high def video player, but gamers dont have that sort of cash to spend

2. The online sucks. Yeah its free, but how does it compare to Xbox Live? It doesnt. "Home" is coming, but is just another way for Sony to milk you through advertisement and microtransaction revenue

3. PS3 sucking in its key market Japan, where its getting dominated by the Wii. The 360 is even making up some ground there.

4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

5. The PS3 wont have any exclusive games that are any good until at least 2008. By that time we will have all played Mass Effect, Bioshock and Halo 3 to death while the only good games you get to play are multiplatform

6. The 360 is stealing the PS3's exclusives. GTA. DMC. FF13? MGS?

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

8. Multiplatform games look better on the 360.

Just realized i spent way too much time on this thread....
Someone else do 9-12, its not hard to think of reasons why the ps3 will tank.

apolloluke

1. With the HD DVD player the XBOX 360 costs the same as a PS3

2. The online at least here in Europe is at the same quality as XBL was in the 1st year.

3. The Wii is beyond console wars(it's an ICON), the highpowered console war is still beeing won by the PS3 in Japan.

4.The PS3 game line up is also at least as good as the 360 line-up in it's 1st year.

5.Dude, Killzone, FF,  Devil may cry 4, eight days, Gran Turismo 5 all awesome titles.

6. No they're not.

7. Come on now..... Halo 3, is a weak shooter, Resistance is and will be a better online shooter then any Halo title will ever be.

8. Next year they won't, they'll all be programmed for the PS3, and ported to 360.

These are all your points dealt with, and the PS3 will rule the console world, like the PS2 did before. 

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]

A spin off from the other thread

1. Its too expensive for a game console. Sure, its cheap for a high def video player, but gamers dont have that sort of cash to spend

False generalisation.

2. The online sucks. Yeah its free, but how does it compare to Xbox Live? It doesnt. "Home" is coming, but is just another way for Sony to milk you through advertisement and microtransaction revenue

Its free, and it allows you to do similar stuff to Xbox Live. The only reason XBox LIve is any good is because you pay to make it so. PS3 delivers a lot for a free service.

3. PS3 sucking in its key market Japan, where its getting dominated by the Wii. The 360 is even making up some ground there.

Yes it is doing poorly in Japan compared to the Wii. But no, the Xbox 360 is not making up some ground there. Not in any way, shape or form. Europe looks to be the PS3's strongest market at the moment, but for how long?

4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

Fair point.

5. The PS3 wont have any exclusive games that are any good until at least 2008. By that time we will have all played Mass Effect, Bioshock and Halo 3 to death while the only good games you get to play are multiplatform

Fair point.

6. The 360 is stealing the PS3's exclusives. GTA. DMC. FF13? MGS?

Metal Gear Solid 4 won't come to the 360. FF13 is more likely to go to Wii then XBox 360, due to Wii's popularity in Japan. But yes, this is a worrying trend for PS3 owners.

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

I'm sure that from the vast catalogue of PS2 games, Sony or 3rd parties can make a game with incredible online for PS3.And there is a chance Killzone 2 will be good...

8. Multiplatform games look better on the 360.

Depends on the game. Another false generalisation.

Just realized i spent way too much time on this thread....
Someone else do 9-12, its not hard to think of reasons why the ps3 will tank.

WickeeKing

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Codename33"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]
4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

Neither does the Wii. Neither did the 360 5 months in. Give it time.

Codename33

5 months in, the 360 had oblivion, GRAW, burnout, Dead or alive 4, PGR 3, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo. Those were all really good games.

PS3 has Resistence, VF5, MotorStorm, Oblivion, Call of Duty 3, Tekken 5, Def Jam: Icon, NBA Street Homecourt, and Splinter Cell: DA.

Point taken yet?

Okay, besides resistance and oblivion, you've put a timed exclusive, a game with no depth whatsoever, multiple inferior multiplats (to 360 versions) and a rehashed ps2 game. That's a great quality list, huh?

    You do indeed realize that for its first 5 months that the 360 was the only next gen system out, therefore making other console ports was impossible? :roll:

    Also, from your list, Oblivion, GRAW, and Call of Duty 2 were all on PC. Burnout is a rehash by your definition, as is PGR, and DoA4. You have Kameo left. At best, Kameo is an average title.

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]

A spin off from the other thread

1. Its too expensive for a game console. Sure, its cheap for a high def video player, but gamers dont have that sort of cash to spend

2. The online sucks. Yeah its free, but how does it compare to Xbox Live? It doesnt. "Home" is coming, but is just another way for Sony to milk you through advertisement and microtransaction revenue

3. PS3 sucking in its key market Japan, where its getting dominated by the Wii. The 360 is even making up some ground there.

4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

5. The PS3 wont have any exclusive games that are any good until at least 2008. By that time we will have all played Mass Effect, Bioshock and Halo 3 to death while the only good games you get to play are multiplatform

6. The 360 is stealing the PS3's exclusives. GTA. DMC. FF13? MGS?

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

8. Multiplatform games look better on the 360.

Just realized i spent way too much time on this thread....
Someone else do 9-12, its not hard to think of reasons why the ps3 will tank.

Nene33

1. With the HD DVD player the XBOX 360 costs the same as a PS3

Add-ons are not needed, and therefore ridiculous to add to the cost.

2. The online at least here in Europe is at the same quality as XBL was in the 1st year.

XBL offers things that PSN does not. Stop comparing the two.

3. The Wii is beyond console wars(it's an ICON), the highpowered console war is still beeing won by the PS3 in Japan.

Way to spin things ever so slightly. Taking the Wii out of the debate....

4.The PS3 game line up is also at least as good as the 360 line-up in it's 1st year.

Good is opinion, not fact.

5.Dude, Killzone, FF, Devil may cry 4, eight days, Gran Turismo 5 all awesome titles.

How many in that list are unproven IPs? I count 3 out of 5 ;)

6. No they're not.

Most 3rd party titles are going multiplatform. Both sides are losing them.

7. Come on now..... Halo 3, is a weak shooter, Resistance is and will be a better online shooter then any Halo title will ever be.

15,000+ people still playing Halo 2 3 years after release seems to say you are wrong.

8. Next year they won't, they'll all be programmed for the PS3, and ported to 360.

Because the PS3 is harder to develop for. You make your engine on the more difficult one to save time, and get the games released at the same time. It has nothing to do with one systems power compared to the other.

These are all your points dealt with, and the PS3 will rule the console world, like the PS2 did before.

And i dealt with all your points.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

1. I'm well off. 2. Home 3. It's doing well there. 4. Game development takes a 2-3 year cycle. 5. See 4. 6. Besides GTA when were the others multi? 7. Halo blows since the first one, try Planetside. 8. Oblivion looks better on PS3.

LosDaddie - 9. PS2 didn't fail. 10. GC failed.

SpruceCaboose

Halo is a superb game series. Also, Oblivion had an extra year in development to optimize code. That is a weak example at best.

Halo blew.  When you were playing 4 xbox + 16 controllers = 16 player Halo deathcrap, I was playing 300v300v300 on PC Planetside.  Just some people weren't out of the box with gaming knowledge back then and now you cradle in mommy MS's arm.

So tell me which 360/PS3 game WASN'T optimize for 360 because, currently, they all were.  Then you can show me a real comparison. 

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

1. I'm well off. 2. Home 3. It's doing well there. 4. Game development takes a 2-3 year cycle. 5. See 4. 6. Besides GTA when were the others multi? 7. Halo blows since the first one, try Planetside. 8. Oblivion looks better on PS3.

LosDaddie - 9. PS2 didn't fail. 10. GC failed.

NobuoMusicMaker

Halo is a superb game series. Also, Oblivion had an extra year in development to optimize code. That is a weak example at best.

Halo blew. When you were playing 4 xbox + 16 controllers = 16 player Halo deathcrap, I was playing 300v300v300 on PC Planetside. Just some people weren't out of the box with gaming knowledge back then and now you cradle in mommy MS's arm.

So tell me which 360/PS3 game WASN'T optimize for 360 because, currently, they all were. Then you can show me a real comparison.

    Halo did not blow. Seeing as it was the most successful console FPS last generation, and the series has been reviewed incredibly well, I would say most evidence is not behind you.

    Just because you obviously prefer MMORPGs does not make your opinion right. And not up on gaming knowledge? I've been gaming my whole life, so don't try to know someone you clearly don't. And yes, I own MS consoles, but I also own Sony systems and Nintendo systems, along with others.

    And if you are trying to say that with an extra year in development the development team made absolutely no tweaks to the game code besides porting it, you are insane. Delayed ports, most of the time, get a few extra tweaks to help them stand out in a changed gaming landscape. 

Halo did not blow. Seeing as it was the most successful console FPS last generation, and the series has been reviewed incredibly well, I would say most evidence is not behind you.

Just because you obviously prefer MMORPGs does not make your opinion right. And not up on gaming knowledge? I've been gaming my whole life, so don't try to know someone you clearly don't. And yes, I own MS consoles, but I also own Sony systems and Nintendo systems, along with others.

And if you are trying to say that with an extra year in development the development team made absolutely no tweaks to the game code besides porting it, you are insane. Delayed ports, most of the time, get a few extra tweaks to help them stand out in a changed gaming landscape.

SpruceCaboose

Yeah the Gamespot reviewer for Planetside didn't even know how to land a freakin Galaxy.

Halo vehicles = 4
Planetside vehicles = Far too many

And it's an MMOFPS.  You sure know your games.

Those multiplatform games you talk about had extra time on development when they started developing it for 360.  Dur.  360 did come out before PS3 dur. ~wiggle wiggle~ 

1. take the 360, add wifi, Live membership and a larger hard drive and the prices are comparible. Just to get what i have with the Ps3 I would have to spend a lot more than $399 on the 360. I keep hearing this price argument but at the end of the day for "most" of us the 360 will not do everything the ps3 will straight out of the box.

2. online could be better with the ps3 but it's not horrible or anything.

4. this subjective, a good game to you may not be the same for me. However the 360's selection of games is much larger but that's expected due to having a one year head start don't you think?

5. this is why some people own both consoles. I will never miss out on exclusives but you do have a good point. I will use the ps3 most of the time. Games like NCAA 2008, Nascar, Madden, GTA, The Darkness, Spidey 3 etc etc will be on both systems and I will choose to buy the PS3 version. People keep talking about exclusives but there are a lot of multiplatform games coming out in the future that i will spend a ton of time playing and those will be purchased for the ps3. One major reason I will pick the PS3 version is because of hardware reliabilty with the 360. I don't want to almost be at the end of a level and the hardware crap out. I don't want to be in a tight game in madden and about to score a TD to take the lead and have to play the game all over again because Microsoft can't design a better console.

7. The Halo thing really doesn't bother me much. Hell I havent even played the first 2. For some reason i just never got into the whole Halo thing. I may buy it this time around just to see what all of the fuss is about but I am not sitting around counting the days until it is released or anything.

8. Subjective also, i think in the future with more multi's coming out you will probably not notice much of a difference. Not enough to truly decide who the clear winner is.

 

Is the PS3 the ultimate choice for next gen? Who knows, too early to tell. Neither machine has been around long enough to get a good idea really. Both consoles have their pros and cons. But as I said earlier its about personal preference. I have both consoles and right now I just enjoy playing the Ps3 more. For me it has more qualities that fit what i want in a console not to mention I don't have to worry about hardware problems. Other people will choose the 360 and they have their reason. To each their own. That's how it should be.

We all win if both consoles do well. The gaming market needs competition because in the end thats how us the consumers get great products. I actually want to see both succeed because that means more fun for all of us.

 

 

 

cmat35

1. The 360 can play in HD right out of the box, while the PS3 cannot.... Not to mention, that price comparisons are retarded in the first place. 

2. Online is horrible on the PS3, if you are coming from Live and know better anyways.

4. The fact remains that the 360 hasmore and better games.

5. Ywannn... I don't want to be about to score a touchdown in Madden and have my controller disconnect. Both consoles have problems, so stop.

7. Millions of gamers disagree with you...

 8. I totally agree. Multi plats will end up looking the same.

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

U talk like halo 2.5 is the best game ever made LMAO!!!!!!!! running around shooting at aliens, like that never been done before.

heres a link on how popular halo is compared to other games:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_computer_and_video_games#Franchise

Halo is somewhere at the bottom of that list LOL

BTW u and other die hard xflop180 fans paid over $400 for a last gen consol that was rushed into the market, freezes, scratches disc's and crashes!!

The 360 does have more games out rite now, i'm thinking maybe it might be b/c of that 1 year head start ;P

but how do u expect to play all those games when the crapbox keeps crapping out. lets hope ur xflop doesn't crash after ur warrenty!! 

I suppose the word "solid" is subjective......

The only points I agree with is PS3 has to deal with X360 2nd gen games to PS3 1st gen games until the 2nd half of the year.  Of course the 2nd point is $600 pricepoint is ridiculous and is probably the only reason why PS3 is not selling like hotcakes.

As someone has said, the sweetspot is $200 really.  If you take inflation into account that could be about $250-300.....what do you know Wii is doing great at that pricepoint :P

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Halo did not blow. Seeing as it was the most successful console FPS last generation, and the series has been reviewed incredibly well, I would say most evidence is not behind you.

Just because you obviously prefer MMORPGs does not make your opinion right. And not up on gaming knowledge? I've been gaming my whole life, so don't try to know someone you clearly don't. And yes, I own MS consoles, but I also own Sony systems and Nintendo systems, along with others.

And if you are trying to say that with an extra year in development the development team made absolutely no tweaks to the game code besides porting it, you are insane. Delayed ports, most of the time, get a few extra tweaks to help them stand out in a changed gaming landscape.

NobuoMusicMaker

Yeah the Gamespot reviewer for Planetside didn't even know how to land a freakin Galaxy.

Halo vehicles = 4
Planetside vehicles = Far too many

And it's an MMOFPS. You sure know your games.

Those multiplatform games you talk about had extra time on development when they started developing it for 360. Dur. 360 did come out before PS3 dur. ~wiggle wiggle~

    Sorry, I don't follow average PC games, especially the MMO kind. The amount of anything in a game does not dictate quality. As the average review for Planetside is 8.1, and Halo has an average of 9.6, with Halo 2 scoring average 9.5, I will take Halo, especially since thousands are still playing it online, years later.

    They had extra time a year before the PS3 version. You don't think that developers get better or learn new tricks as the generation ages? Why do you think sequels look better? The developer has learned more about the platforms, and has gotten better at making the systems work for them.

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

 

U talk like halo 2.5 is the best game ever made LMAO!!!!!!!! running around shooting at aliens, like that never been done before.

heres a link on how popular halo is compared to other games:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_computer_and_video_games#Franchise

Halo is somewhere at the bottom of that list LOL

BTW u and other die hard xflop180 fans paid over $400 for a last gen consol that was rushed into the market, freezes, scratches disc's and crashes!!

The 360 does have more games out rite now, i'm thinking maybe it might be b/c of that 1 year head start ;P

but how do u expect to play all those games when the crapbox keeps crapping out. lets hope ur xflop doesn't crash after ur warrenty!!

insomnia37

    You lose so hard right there! There is only two Halo games out, while there is over 10 Mega Man games, and countless Mario games.

    Try going here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_computer_and_video_games . That will show that there have only been 28 games outselling Halo ever (this includes PC, but not handhelds), and only 15 games outselling Halo 2 (again, includes PC but not handhelds).

Sorry, I don't follow average PC games, especially the MMO kind. The amount of anything in a game does not dictate quality. As the average review for Planetside is 8.1, and Halo has an average of 9.6, with Halo 2 scoring average 9.5, I will take Halo, especially since thousands are still playing it online, years later.

They had extra time a year before the PS3 version. You don't think that developers get better or learn new tricks as the generation ages? Why do you think sequels look better? The developer has learned more about the platforms, and has gotten better at making the systems work for them.

SpruceCaboose

Yeah, the visceral feeling of taking over one base with 5 dropships, artillery firing, 10 mechs, a couple tank platoons doesn't dictate quality.  Obviously those who haven't played it know jack about what I'm talking about which is why my reasoning still stands because there are too many who don't know about the hidden gems out there.  Thousands are still playing? Thousands are playing it on what you consider one Halo map size.  They are blowing the crap out of each other in one small area if you want to talk about number of people playing.

Dude, this isn't only about Oblivion.  This is about every multiplatform game.  360 devkits were out far before PS3's and you talk crap about how PS3 had extra time? 

Its not a bad system though. The only reason I dont have one is because the cost. I`m waiting for more cash and a price drop. This will be harder to save now that a new Guitar Hero comes out every year! What am I gonna do!jfkunrendered

    After that initial cost of game and guitar, you don't need to buy the edition with the packed in guitar for each sequel, do you? 

A spin off from the other thread

1. Its too expensive for a game console. Sure, its cheap for a high def video player, but gamers dont have that sort of cash to spend

2. The online sucks. Yeah its free, but how does it compare to Xbox Live? It doesnt. "Home" is coming, but is just another way for Sony to milk you through advertisement and microtransaction revenue

3. PS3 sucking in its key market Japan, where its getting dominated by the Wii. The 360 is even making up some ground there.

4. The PS3 doesnt have many good games out right now

5. The PS3 wont have any exclusive games that are any good until at least 2008. By that time we will have all played Mass Effect, Bioshock and Halo 3 to death while the only good games you get to play are multiplatform

6. The 360 is stealing the PS3's exclusives. GTA. DMC. FF13? MGS?

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

8. Multiplatform games look better on the 360.

Just realized i spent way too much time on this thread....
Someone else do 9-12, its not hard to think of reasons why the ps3 will tank.

apolloluke

2.PSN is decent and FREE and HOME will offer everything that LIVE offers and more for..... FREE! Btw, I would not even talk about PS3 owners possibly being milked. 360 owners have been milked for years and can't even get some free maps for pete's sake!

3.PS3 sucking in JAPAN? Uhhh, ignorant statement. 360 is practically DEAD in Japan.

4. Sure the PS3 does not have as many great titles as the 360 but that will change by years end. It's a 5 month old system? It's not like the 360 had a lot of amazing games 5 months after it launched.

5. No good exclusives until 2008? Another ignorant statement....

6. 360 is stealing PS3 exclusives? Sure. Too bad that the 360 has lost some already to the PS3 (Saints Row comes to mind) and WILL lose even more in the future. It goes both ways. 

7.Halo is great but it's not as popular as say GTA 4. PS3 already has series that are as popular if not MORE popular than Halo 3. MGS 4, Final Fantasy, God of War just to name a few.

8. Not all multiplatform games look best on the 360 and soon, more and more games will look better on the PS3. Take the new Burnout game for example. The developers have admitted that the PS3 will be capable of running the game with advanced physics and @ 1080p. Too bad they can't say the same for the 360. In fact, they said that it was just not possible on the 360. 

Yeah, the visceral feeling of taking over one base with 5 dropships, artillery firing, 10 mechs, a couple tank platoons doesn't dictate quality. Obviously those who haven't played it know jack about what I'm talking about which is why my reasoning still stands because there are too many who don't know about the hidden gems out there. Thousands are still playing? Thousands are playing it on what you consider one Halo map size. They are blowing the crap out of each other in one small area if you want to talk about number of people playing.

Dude, this isn't only about Oblivion. This is about every multiplatform game. 360 devkits were out far before PS3's and you talk crap about how PS3 had extra time?

NobuoMusicMaker

    Your gaming preference is your taste. Hidden gem means that the market as a whole didn't like it.

    And it is not my fault Sony was slow in finalizing their hardware and getting dev kits to developers. The 360 beta dev kits arrived July of 2005 , meaning they had 4 months with final hardware setup to tweak code. PS3 beta kits arrived August 2006 , giving them 3 months before launch to tweak code.

    You mean to tell me that 1 month more with dev kits is equal to a year extra time with the PS3 kits? 

A spin off from the other thread

1. Its too expensive for a game console. Sure, its cheap for a high def video player, but gamers dont have that sort of cash to spend

apolloluke

how do you know this and for you information most of the gamers on this site have the money

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

 

U talk like halo 2.5 is the best game ever made LMAO!!!!!!!! running around shooting at aliens, like that never been done before.

heres a link on how popular halo is compared to other games:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_computer_and_video_games#Franchise

Halo is somewhere at the bottom of that list LOL

BTW u and other die hard xflop180 fans paid over $400 for a last gen consol that was rushed into the market, freezes, scratches disc's and crashes!!

The 360 does have more games out rite now, i'm thinking maybe it might be b/c of that 1 year head start ;P

but how do u expect to play all those games when the crapbox keeps crapping out. lets hope ur xflop doesn't crash after ur warrenty!! 

insomnia37

learn to spell...then come back

[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]Its not a bad system though. The only reason I dont have one is because the cost. I`m waiting for more cash and a price drop. This will be harder to save now that a new Guitar Hero comes out every year! What am I gonna do!SpruceCaboose

After that initial cost of game and guitar, you don't need to buy the edition with the packed in guitar for each sequel, do you?

I`m not sure yet. But GHIII comes with a wireless guitar. And I just bought GHII for 360:cry:  Those cheapos!

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Still getting one. Sorry.Dups79

Just curious but why do you not have one yet?

I'm starting to wonder how many of these cows that praise the Ps3 actually have one. That Very Best person doesn't own one, Fuzzy squish doesn't own one, and who else did I spot that doesn't own one?:shock:

7. Halo 3. PS3 has nothing that comes close to the popularity or quality of this series. Halo 3 will devliver the ultimate online gaming experience due to the crazy amount of testing and thought that has gone into it. What does the PS3 have in response? Killzone 2? ROFL!@

 

U talk like halo 2.5 is the best game ever made LMAO!!!!!!!! running around shooting at aliens, like that never been done before.

heres a link on how popular halo is compared to other games:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_computer_and_video_games#Franchise

Halo is somewhere at the bottom of that list LOL

BTW u and other die hard xflop180 fans paid over $400 for a last gen consol that was rushed into the market, freezes, scratches disc's and crashes!!

The 360 does have more games out rite now, i'm thinking maybe it might be b/c of that 1 year head start ;P

but how do u expect to play all those games when the crapbox keeps crapping out. lets hope ur xflop doesn't crash after ur warrenty!!

insomnia37

I'm the die-hard fan, who defends the other two consoles? :roll:

learn to spell...then come back

The_One_White

    He cannot spell, but he also must not have heard of an extended warranty. :D

[QUOTE="Dups79"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Still getting one. Sorry.Fruity_Fantasy

Just curious but why do you not have one yet?

I'm starting to wonder how many of these cows that praise the Ps3 actually have one. That Very Best person doesn't own one, Fuzzy squish doesn't own one, and who else did I spot that doesn't own one?:shock:

    The-Very-best and Fuzzysquash are hardly cows. Just because they point out flaws in your arguements does not make them cows.