13 reasons why PC>Consoles ( Kinda Long)

While Xbots and the Sony Defence Force argue among themselves, and Wii-mers (Wii-ers?) throw ever more ridiculous shapes pretending to play the tambourine or something, there is another group of gamers who quietly, happily, enjoy the best gaming platform yet invented - the PC.

And while, granted, some huge percentage of PCs are never used for anything other than Outlook and basic web, PCs remain the most flexible and happiest way to game. And, unlike Wii Sports, it won't cause you permanent physical damage.

1. Mouse and keyboard support

Well, duh. Console kids who have grown up with a controller in hand might argue, but there's still no better way of playing just about any game in any genre – not just shooters – than the combination of keyboard and mouse. It just works, offering orders of magnitude more precision and speed than fiddly analogue sticks.

2. High screen resolutions

While Microsoft and Sony scream about 'true HD' in their games – but in many cases don't actually deliver it – the PC has been happily running games at 1080p and above for yonks. In fact, the near-HD default res of 1,280x1,024 is very 2001; even a medium rig can handle 1,600x1,200 or more these days.

3. Free mods

Were you a raw naif, you might be forgiven for thinking that LittleBigPlanet et al single-handedly invented the idea of (nnnggh) 'user generated content'. But guess what? PC gamers have been coding mods (modifications) such as add-ons, total conversions, unofficial levels and all manner of other gubbins for… well, pretty much forever. And then distributing it for free, for the sheer love of it.

4. Upgradeable hardware

With the aforementioned higher resolutions and textures, chances are a new PC game already looks better than its console counterpart right now. But even if you can't run it with all the visuals tweaked to the max, processor and graphic cards prices drop so quickly that it's hardly bank-breaking to refit your rig in a year or so, for better graphics and more speed.

5. Cheaper games

Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo's licensing and publishing costs inevitably drive up the cost of every single game released, and even pre-owned games tend to be far pricier than the PC equivalent.

6. You're not tied to one online service

Imagine not having to rely on a single, central server such as Xbox Live or PlayStation Network whenever you go online. Imagine not having to suffer downtimes, silly licensing agreements, or daft console-restricting DRM. Oh wait… that's the PC online, isn't it?

7. No extra dosh needed for playing online

Okay, this only applies to Xbox Live, but who's to say that Sony might not start charging for PSN as it keeps haemorrhaging money? And yes, Xboxers can use the free Silver service, but really – why would you?

8. Unlimited storage space

The Xbox 360 is limited to whatever can fit on a DVD (or, if you're unlucky, more than one). The PlayStation 3 has to struggle with turgid Blu-ray access and enforced installs. PC games, meanwhile, just sit happily on the potentially unlimited storage space of your hard drive. Easy.

9. Save game hacking

Like modders, PC gamers are rabidly enthusiastic about pulling apart save games and data files, fiddling therein, and finding ingenious ways to cheat or fix corrupted files. Try doing that with your Wii.

10. Unofficial fixes for older games

PC games such as Vampire: The Masquerade often get unofficial, free, support long after publishers have gone kaput and official support is abandoned, thanks to the tireless efforts of their fans. Bug fixes, enhancements, new hardware support – it's all there.

11. Abandonware

The geek term for 'old games which you can't buy any more'. There are a huge number of classic PC titles out there from years gone by, and many thousands are available to download, legally, for free.

12. No red ring of death

Well, you only get this on the Xbox, of course, but the last thing you want your gaming machine to do is to completely konk out. At least when a PC goes wrong, it really goes wrong. Like, with fire and everything (possibly).

13. No JRPGs'

Enough said (credit goes to Yandere)

While I personally agree that PC gaming is more robust and enjoyable than console gaming, people could just as easily come up with 12 reasons to counter yours. It all comes down to personal preference.

Yeah, but it doesn't have JRPGs.

Its old news but most consoles owners don't give a damn. That sounds more blog worthy than anything else.

Yeah, but it doesn't have JRPGs.

Yandere

Yeah, but it doesn't have JRPGs.

Yandere

1 reason why Consoles>PC ( kinda short)

because i prefer consoles games over pc games

1 reason why Consoles>PC ( kinda short)

because i prefer consoles games over pc games

da_illest101

Agree completely with all points. PC gaming owns.

$600 gaming PC gets you everything you could want and more in terms of hardware, control, online, upgradability, etc.

I really hate kb/m controllers. Mouse is good for shooters, but keyboard is just to clunky. I dont want to be able to only move in 4 directs, I want 360 degrees!bronxxbombers

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Yeah, but it doesn't have JRPGs.

King-Saddam

Guessing you've only seen Naruto/Bleach/DBZ/Pokemon and only played FF/Crono Cross/etc.

Anyways, to be fair you do have JRPGs, they're eroge RPGs.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Yeah, but it doesn't have JRPGs.

King-Saddam

Don't forget natural pink, purple, silver, green, and who knows what else colored hair.

[QUOTE="da_illest101"]

1 reason why Consoles>PC ( kinda short)

because i prefer consoles games over pc games

King-Saddam

Agree completely with all points. PC gaming owns.

$600 gaming PC gets you everything you could want and more in terms of hardware, control, online, upgradability, etc.

Puckhog04

1. I hate playing on mouse and keyboard, even when it works better for games like Sim City or StarCraft, which are basically the only PC games I play. I find that these games often require larger time investments for minor progress, and I always feel like a disaster after investing that time at a computer.

2. Okay, if you're obsessed with graphics that's grea.t

3. Mods are mods. LBP is LBP. The difference is that ordinary people make mods, while developers made LBP with the sole intention of having the users create whatever they wanted out of it, with extreme detail. Obviously, thinks like a StarCraft level editor weren't created with the same fervor. The whole point of LBP is to create, while the point of games that generally see mods is to be the games that they were originally inteded to be.

4. which means you have to spend money to upgrade hardware in order to play the latest games. Belive it or not, console games actually do continue to get better and better looking because developers become more and more familiar with current hardware. The fact that it doesn't change gives developers this chance.

5. Games cost more than ever to create and are significantly underpriced. In reality, they should be at least $80.00.

6. That's a good point.

7. Okay, well, I have no interest in MS or their systems so whatever. Okay.

8. I have a laptop, which was bought for me and I couldn't have obtained one any other way with my financial situation. It only has 70GB. It's a limit to me and is the reason I haven't bought and tried out Civilization IV. Meanwhile, your statement is ridiculous because PC games actually take large installs in comparsion with PS3 games, which are not needed for all games. Furthermore, you can upgrade the storage space of a PS3 as well.

9. Cheating is not a benefit.

10. That's because PC games have more bugs than console games. Console games are often great as they are.

11. You can buy old games on ebay. Sure, there is a price attached, but you can still obtain them. In physical form, with a case.

12. PC games have all sorts of problems. I am not an irresponsible person when it comes to computers and I don't think its my fault when my laptop has recently decided that it will randomly accept and not accept my two perfectly fine mice, while other USB devices work fine. Years ago I owned a perfectly fine computer that one day simply would no longer turn on. PCs are far less reliable than consoles.

I will end this post in saying that many of the greatest games of all time were either origianlly developed for consoles, often play best on consoles (workarounds can be made on PC, but they're still workarounds to create a console experience), or are not on PC at all.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

Agree completely with all points. PC gaming owns.

$600 gaming PC gets you everything you could want and more in terms of hardware, control, online, upgradability, etc.

xsubtownerx

stopped reading after the first one

This, and in regards to your #2, I remember PC gamer magazine bragging about being able to run doom3 at 800x600 in their review in late 2004.

While I personally agree that PC gaming is more robust and enjoyable than console gaming, people could just as easily come up with 12 reasons to counter yours. It all comes down to personal preference.

raynimrod

All that doesn't matter to me. The thing is, I prefer console games way more than PC games.

This, and in regards to your #2, I remember PC gamer magazine bragging about being able to run doom3 at 800x600 in their review in late 2004.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

While I personally agree that PC gaming is more robust and enjoyable than console gaming, people could just as easily come up with 12 reasons to counter yours. It all comes down to personal preference.

topgunmv

Euhhh, what?

http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/164-5/ATI-Radeon-X800-XT-PCIExpress-256MB/

I remember Doom 3 being 480p on Xbox.

This, and in regards to your #2, I remember PC gamer magazine bragging about being able to run doom3 at 800x600 in their review in late 2004.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

While I personally agree that PC gaming is more robust and enjoyable than console gaming, people could just as easily come up with 12 reasons to counter yours. It all comes down to personal preference.

1. I hate playing on mouse and keyboard, even when it works better for games like Sim City or StarCraft, which are basically the only PC games I play. I find that these games often require larger time investments for minor progress, and I always feel like a disaster after investing that time at a computer.

2. Okay, if you're obsessed with graphics that's grea.t

3. Mods are mods. LBP is LBP. The difference is that ordinary people make mods, while developers made LBP with the sole intention of having the users create whatever they wanted out of it, with extreme detail. Obviously, thinks like a StarCraft level editor weren't created with the same fervor. The whole point of LBP is to create, while the point of games that generally see mods is to be the games that they were originally inteded to be.

4. which means you have to spend money to upgrade hardware in order to play the latest games. Belive it or not, console games actually do continue to get better and better looking because developers become more and more familiar with current hardware. The fact that it doesn't change gives developers this chance.

5. Games cost more than ever to create and are significantly underpriced. In reality, they should be at least $80.00.

6. That's a good point.

7. Okay, well, I have no interest in MS or their systems so whatever. Okay.

8. I have a laptop, which was bought for me and I couldn't have obtained one any other way with my financial situation. It only has 70GB. It's a limit to me and is the reason I haven't bought and tried out Civilization IV. Meanwhile, your statement is ridiculous because PC games actually take giant installs and the installs required for PS3 games is extremely minimal, not to mention that you can upgrade the storage space of a PS3 as well.

9. Cheating is not a benefit.

10. That's because PC games have more bugs than console games. Console games are often great as they are.

11. You can buy old games on ebay. Sure, there is a price attached, but you can still obtain them. In physical form, with a case.

12. PC games have all sorts of problems. I am not an irresponsible person when it comes to computers and I don't think its my fault when my laptop has recently decided that it will randomly accept and not accept my two perfectly fine mice, while other USB devices work fine. Years ago I owned a perfectly fine computer that one day simply would no longer turn on. PCs are far less reliable than consoles.

I will end this topic in saying that many of the greatest games of all time were either origianlly developed for consoles, often play best on consoles (workarounds can be made on PC, but they're still workarounds to create a console experience), or are not on PC at all.

hakanakumono

2.Im sure we don't see x game > y game = ps3/360> ditto

3.That point makes no sense. All PC games are created with the intent the community will support it. Nearly all pc games have a mod section or menu.

4.You can spend money or you don't have to. People are still running games fine with their 8600 gts ( nearly 4 years old).

5.Games have a $15 price hike so MS and sony can fill their pockets.

8. The PC standard for HDD space is 500-1000 gb today. I have 2 1 tb HDDs' in Raid0. Consider 12gb for 360 owners. No matter what 360 owners can't have more than 9 gb. The BD is extremely slow. Nothing matches HDD speeds except Solid state drives and SDHC cards.

9.Its not cheating

10.Because patches for console games don't exist. For example BF1942 was practically broken and don't get me started about socom.

11.You can buy PC games off ebay as well as from a store with a CASE. For example i bought GTA4 for $30 while the 360 version was still $70

12.RROD/YLOD/ throwing your wii mote at your tv. Its actually fairly easy to fix problems on your pc. It is almost always due to the lack of knowledge or ignorance.

Congratulations, that was released half a year after the game came out.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

This, and in regards to your #2, I remember PC gamer magazine bragging about being able to run doom3 at 800x600 in their review in late 2004.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

While I personally agree that PC gaming is more robust and enjoyable than console gaming, people could just as easily come up with 12 reasons to counter yours. It all comes down to personal preference.

Marka1700

Congratulations, that was released half a year after the game came out.

[QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]

topgunmv

Why don't you read my post cool guy.

I have the actual issue, just not on hand. But from what 2 minutes of googling has turned up, apparently their uber rig could run it at 1024x768, but all their screenshot pictures were taken running at 800x600.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

This, and in regards to your #2, I remember PC gamer magazine bragging about being able to run doom3 at 800x600 in their review in late 2004.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

While I personally agree that PC gaming is more robust and enjoyable than console gaming, people could just as easily come up with 12 reasons to counter yours. It all comes down to personal preference.

Bebi_vegeta

Euhhh, what?

http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/164-5/ATI-Radeon-X800-XT-PCIExpress-256MB/

I remember Doom 3 being 480p on Xbox.

Congratulations, that was released half a year after the game came out.

[QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Awesome, December is not August, which is, you know, when the game (and the review) came out.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

This, and in regards to your #2, I remember PC gamer magazine bragging about being able to run doom3 at 800x600 in their review in late 2004.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

While I personally agree that PC gaming is more robust and enjoyable than console gaming, people could just as easily come up with 12 reasons to counter yours. It all comes down to personal preference.

Bebi_vegeta

Euhhh, what?

http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/164-5/ATI-Radeon-X800-XT-PCIExpress-256MB/

I remember Doom 3 being 480p on Xbox.

6 months is actually a very long time when it comes to video cards, especially back in 2004.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Congratulations, that was released half a year after the game came out.

[QUOTE="Marka1700"] I rant it on a 6600GT at 1280x1024 on High. Wich wasn't even topend hardware for the time.Marka1700

I have the actual issue, just not on hand. But from what 2 minutes of googling has turned up, apparently their uber rig could run it at 1024x768, but all their screenshot pictures were taken running at 800x600.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

topgunmv

Euhhh, what?

http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/164-5/ATI-Radeon-X800-XT-PCIExpress-256MB/

I remember Doom 3 being 480p on Xbox.

In the actual benchmark of the game can even run at 1600x1200...

Awesome, December is not August, which is, you know, when the game (and the review) came out.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

topgunmv

Euhhh, what?

http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/164-5/ATI-Radeon-X800-XT-PCIExpress-256MB/

I remember Doom 3 being 480p on Xbox.

Then just look at this one... wow... you should try harder...

http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/149-5/ATI-Radeon-X800-Pro-256-MB/

1- i wonder you can play games like NG2 (hack and slash in general), the PC only works very well wz shooters, like they say : it is better to know one thing abt everything than knowing everything abt one thing,

2-i guess the resolutions you are talking abt are important when you are usinga football size TV.. still PC got the edge i must admit that, but it will need stronger hardware and by that i mean more money,

3-i didn't get that point of urs.

4-the upgradable hardware is a negative point imo, that means more mony to spend from time to time to play most recent games decently, it is more confusing for customers.

5-no comment, coz i have no idea abt the licensing and the publishing stuff.

6-i dun play online games on PC to be frank, but i guess you may be right.

7-you said it...xbox live, it is optional after all.

8-you can always upgrade ur console hard disk, i see nothing important abt this point.

9-i think hacking games on consoles is rare as well, and there patches to fix that.

10-you are right on this one, but i never ever played a game on console that needs bugs fixes, i am very careful wz my options , again there are always patches for that, e.g fat princess had some issues and they are now fixed.

11-in fact those very old games are worthless, they can run on the first PC invented, you dun need a gaming PC to play them.

12-x360 again, i never experienced a fire wz my pc but thanx for the warnning.

13-JRPG are the best kind of RPG, they are the origin of the genre, they dun sell now coz they are always released on the wrong console (x360) but hey look at the DS RPGS.

Edit: I'd also like to note every card your posting came out after the review. So how exactly is this supposed to refute my claim?

Or how about I post a quote from the actual review?

"Not surprising you'll need a monster system to render these monsters in all their intricately textured glory. But the ability to play Doom 3 with all its visual magic maxed out is really a good excuse to trade up. A P4 3 a Geforce 5950- class card will see u through okay. One of our test systems had a geforce 6800 ultra and ran flawlessly at 1024x 768 with high detail."

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Awesome, December is not August, which is, you know, when the game (and the review) came out.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Euhhh, what?

http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/164-5/ATI-Radeon-X800-XT-PCIExpress-256MB/

I remember Doom 3 being 480p on Xbox.

Bebi_vegeta

Then just look at this one... wow... you should try harder...

http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/149-5/ATI-Radeon-X800-Pro-256-MB/

Very good list. Maybe add under M/KB that even if you want you can use a game pad or one of these Video 1Video 2.

Or how about I post a quote from the actual review?

"Not surprising you'll need a monster system to render these monsters in all their intricately textured glory. But the ability to play Doom 3 with all its visual magic maxed out is really a good excuse to trade up. A P4 3 a Geforce 5950- class card will see u through okay. One of our test systems had a geforce 6800 ultra and ran flawlessly at 1024x 768 with high detail."

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

topgunmv

Then just look at this one... wow... you should try harder...

http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/149-5/ATI-Radeon-X800-Pro-256-MB/

It ran flawlessly at 1024 x 768 and can go higher... see benchmarks.... hello?

Edit: I'd also like to note every card your posting came out after the review. So how exactly is this supposed to refute my claim?

topgunmv

And you can't look at the other video cards in the benchmark that are even older?

Hence like the Radeon 9800XT???

BTW, that game was like the Crysis back in the day.

Hello? What are you trying to argue? The op said 1280x1024 was very 2001, and I was making the point that resolutions below that were acceptable very past 2001.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Or how about I post a quote from the actual review?

"Not surprising you'll need a monster system to render these monsters in all their intricately textured glory. But the ability to play Doom 3 with all its visual magic maxed out is really a good excuse to trade up. A P4 3 a Geforce 5950- class card will see u through okay. One of our test systems had a geforce 6800 ultra and ran flawlessly at 1024x 768 with high detail."

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Then just look at this one... wow... you should try harder...

http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/149-5/ATI-Radeon-X800-Pro-256-MB/

Bebi_vegeta

It ran flawlessly at 1024 x 768 and can go higher... see benchmarks.... hello?

Hello? What are you trying to argue? The op said 1280x1024 was very 2001, and I was making the point that resolutions below that were acceptable very past 2001.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

topgunmv

It ran flawlessly at 1024 x 768 and can go higher... see benchmarks.... hello?

Because that game was like the Crysis of that era... is was the best graphic game... which needed a crazy video card, and I proved that the game could run at 1600x1200 which even console can't do with todays game... like bravo!

Bravo, I said pc gamer was bragging about being able to run the game at low resolutions, which you in no way disproved.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Hello? What are you trying to argue? The op said 1280x1024 was very 2001, and I was making the point that resolutions below that were acceptable very past 2001.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

It ran flawlessly at 1024 x 768 and can go higher... see benchmarks.... hello?

Bebi_vegeta

Because that game was like the Crysis of that era... is was the best graphic game... which needed a crazy video card, and I proved that the game could run at 1600x1200 which even console can't do... like bravo!

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

1. I hate playing on mouse and keyboard, even when it works better for games like Sim City or StarCraft, which are basically the only PC games I play. I find that these games often require larger time investments for minor progress, and I always feel like a disaster after investing that time at a computer.

2. Okay, if you're obsessed with graphics that's grea.t

3. Mods are mods. LBP is LBP. The difference is that ordinary people make mods, while developers made LBP with the sole intention of having the users create whatever they wanted out of it, with extreme detail. Obviously, thinks like a StarCraft level editor weren't created with the same fervor. The whole point of LBP is to create, while the point of games that generally see mods is to be the games that they were originally inteded to be.

4. which means you have to spend money to upgrade hardware in order to play the latest games. Belive it or not, console games actually do continue to get better and better looking because developers become more and more familiar with current hardware. The fact that it doesn't change gives developers this chance.

5. Games cost more than ever to create and are significantly underpriced. In reality, they should be at least $80.00.

6. That's a good point.

7. Okay, well, I have no interest in MS or their systems so whatever. Okay.

8. I have a laptop, which was bought for me and I couldn't have obtained one any other way with my financial situation. It only has 70GB. It's a limit to me and is the reason I haven't bought and tried out Civilization IV. Meanwhile, your statement is ridiculous because PC games actually take giant installs and the installs required for PS3 games is extremely minimal, not to mention that you can upgrade the storage space of a PS3 as well.

9. Cheating is not a benefit.

10. That's because PC games have more bugs than console games. Console games are often great as they are.

11. You can buy old games on ebay. Sure, there is a price attached, but you can still obtain them. In physical form, with a case.

12. PC games have all sorts of problems. I am not an irresponsible person when it comes to computers and I don't think its my fault when my laptop has recently decided that it will randomly accept and not accept my two perfectly fine mice, while other USB devices work fine. Years ago I owned a perfectly fine computer that one day simply would no longer turn on. PCs are far less reliable than consoles.

I will end this topic in saying that many of the greatest games of all time were either origianlly developed for consoles, often play best on consoles (workarounds can be made on PC, but they're still workarounds to create a console experience), or are not on PC at all.

King-Saddam

2.Im sure we don't see x game > y game = ps3/360> ditto

3.That point makes no sense. All PC games are created with the intent the community will support it. Nearly all pc games have a mod section or menu.

4.You can spend money or you don't have to. People are still running games fine with their 8600 gts ( nearly 4 years old).

5.Games have a $15 price hike so MS and sony can fill their pockets.

8. The PC standard for HDD space is 500-1000 gb today. I have 2 1 tb HDDs' in Raid0. Consider 12gb for 360 owners. No matter what 360 owners can't have more than 9 gb. The BD is extremely slow. Nothing matches HDD speeds except Solid state drives and SDHC cards.

9.Its not cheating

10.Because patches for console games don't exist. For example BF1942 was practically broken and don't get me started about socom.

11.You can buy PC games off ebay as well as from a store with a CASE. For example i bought GTA4 for $30 while the 360 version was still $70

12.RROD/YLOD/ throwing your wii mote at your tv. Its actually fairly easy to fix problems on your pc. It is almost always due to the lack of knowledge or ignorance.

1. You can't play dualshock with Sim City, but your whole point was that Mouse and Keyboard were superior. Now you're telling me to use "inferior" controls like dualshock.

2. What?

3. Mods are completely different from LBP. Mods are created by people to alter pre-existing games, whose main feature is the standalone game, not the ability to alter the game. Mods require programming and graphic resources and while they may be encouraged, they are not like LBP in any way. Unless a user creates a mod of a game that's main feature is creation. Which is still completely different from LBP. I don't understand why PC gamers don't understand that there is a real difference between developers and someone who spends 5 years in their mother's basement developing a modification to a pre-existing game that's main feature was a standalone version int he first place.

4. You have to spend money if you want to play all the games in a generation. If I want to play PS3 games, I buy a PS3 and it's a great investment because I never have to upgrade the hardware to play all the games.

5. No, games have rate hikes because they cost more than ever to make and developers aren't being paid more for the extra work that they're putting into the games. If you haven't noticed, Sony is hardly in the best position. Licensing fees are necessary for their survival as a hardware company.

8. Okay, good point. Speed is something PCs have over PS3s and perhaps 360s.

9. Sure.

10. This isn't really a big deal. There's nothing wrong with developers having to sell a game as is. That's what playtesting is for.

11. Okay, but you weren't talking about PC games, you were talking about free games. You can buy both PC and console games on ebay with cases, as well as in stores, which is a level playing field.

12. Sorry, but I've owned many computers in my lifetime. And in my experience, things just generally go wrong because things just go wrong. Can you explain to me how my laptop refusing to read mice randomly is my fault? I treat everything with respect. Unless you can come up with a helpful reason why this is happening, then accept the fact that it's screwy and that computers are at times. You never really see a console freezing, but no matter how many times I use a mac computer, it will always manage to freeze on me no matter what I do with it. Apparently, opening a menu is sometimes too much to ask for a computer. I'd also like to know how I was supposed to foresee a computer just not turning on one day. How does that even happen?

The difference between computers and consoles is that 99% of the problems wiith PCs are problems with the OS, whereas most consoles have no such problems, if anything on consoles before the HD ones could even be considered an OS. You can't go look at your VMU on a dreamcast and have it freeze on you, forcing you to end the process and try again. Consoles have hardware problems, which are no where near as common as the problems experienced on computers. I have used computers and consoles all my life. I am not an idiot and I know how to use both of them. Miraculously, my consoles have for the msot part stood the test of time, except for a weird incident in which a Gamecube and PS2 got DRE on the sameday, which I am convinced is some sort of electrical problem or the result of evil spirits at work. Considering Gamecubes don't get DRE, let alone on the same day as a perfectly fine PS2.

Edit: I think it's funny that you consider throwing the wiimote at a TV to be the Wii's fault.

[QUOTE="King-Saddam"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

1. I hate playing on mouse and keyboard, even when it works better for games like Sim City or StarCraft, which are basically the only PC games I play. I find that these games often require larger time investments for minor progress, and I always feel like a disaster after investing that time at a computer.

2. Okay, if you're obsessed with graphics that's grea.t

3. Mods are mods. LBP is LBP. The difference is that ordinary people make mods, while developers made LBP with the sole intention of having the users create whatever they wanted out of it, with extreme detail. Obviously, thinks like a StarCraft level editor weren't created with the same fervor. The whole point of LBP is to create, while the point of games that generally see mods is to be the games that they were originally inteded to be.

4. which means you have to spend money to upgrade hardware in order to play the latest games. Belive it or not, console games actually do continue to get better and better looking because developers become more and more familiar with current hardware. The fact that it doesn't change gives developers this chance.

5. Games cost more than ever to create and are significantly underpriced. In reality, they should be at least $80.00.

6. That's a good point.

7. Okay, well, I have no interest in MS or their systems so whatever. Okay.

8. I have a laptop, which was bought for me and I couldn't have obtained one any other way with my financial situation. It only has 70GB. It's a limit to me and is the reason I haven't bought and tried out Civilization IV. Meanwhile, your statement is ridiculous because PC games actually take giant installs and the installs required for PS3 games is extremely minimal, not to mention that you can upgrade the storage space of a PS3 as well.

9. Cheating is not a benefit.

10. That's because PC games have more bugs than console games. Console games are often great as they are.

11. You can buy old games on ebay. Sure, there is a price attached, but you can still obtain them. In physical form, with a case.

12. PC games have all sorts of problems. I am not an irresponsible person when it comes to computers and I don't think its my fault when my laptop has recently decided that it will randomly accept and not accept my two perfectly fine mice, while other USB devices work fine. Years ago I owned a perfectly fine computer that one day simply would no longer turn on. PCs are far less reliable than consoles.

I will end this topic in saying that many of the greatest games of all time were either origianlly developed for consoles, often play best on consoles (workarounds can be made on PC, but they're still workarounds to create a console experience), or are not on PC at all.

hakanakumono

2.Im sure we don't see x game > y game = ps3/360> ditto

3.That point makes no sense. All PC games are created with the intent the community will support it. Nearly all pc games have a mod section or menu.

4.You can spend money or you don't have to. People are still running games fine with their 8600 gts ( nearly 4 years old).

5.Games have a $15 price hike so MS and sony can fill their pockets.

8. The PC standard for HDD space is 500-1000 gb today. I have 2 1 tb HDDs' in Raid0. Consider 12gb for 360 owners. No matter what 360 owners can't have more than 9 gb. The BD is extremely slow. Nothing matches HDD speeds except Solid state drives and SDHC cards.

9.Its not cheating

10.Because patches for console games don't exist. For example BF1942 was practically broken and don't get me started about socom.

11.You can buy PC games off ebay as well as from a store with a CASE. For example i bought GTA4 for $30 while the 360 version was still $70

12.RROD/YLOD/ throwing your wii mote at your tv. Its actually fairly easy to fix problems on your pc. It is almost always due to the lack of knowledge or ignorance.

1. You can't play dualshock with Sim City, but your whole point was that Mouse and Keyboard were superior. Now you're telling me to use "inferior" controls like dualshock.

2. What?

3. Mods are completely different from LBP. Mods are created by people to alter pre-existing games, whose main feature is the standalone game, not the ability to alter the game. Mods require programming and graphic resources and while they may be encouraged, they are not like LBP in any way. Unless a user creates a mod of a game that's main feature is creation. Which is still completely different from LBP. I don't understand why PC gamers don't understand that there is a real difference between developers and someone who spends 5 years in their mother's basement developing a modification to a pre-existing game that's main feature was a standalone version int he first place.

4. You have to spend money if you want to play all the games in a generation. If I want to play PS3 games, I buy a PS3 and it's a great investment because I never have to upgrade the hardware to play all the games.

5. No, games have rate hikes because they cost more than ever to make and developers aren't being paid more for the extra work that they're putting into the games. If you haven't noticed, Sony is hardly in the best position. Licensing fees are necessary for their survival as a hardware company.

8. Okay, good point. Speed is something PCs have over PS3s and perhaps 360s.

9. Sure.

10. This isn't really a big deal. There's nothing wrong with developers having to sell a game as is. That's what playtesting is for.

11. Okay, but you weren't talking about PC games, you were talking about free games. You can buy both PC and console games on ebay with cases, as well as in stores, which is a level playing field.

12. Sorry, but I've owned many computers in my lifetime. And in my experience, things just generally go wrong because things just go wrong. Can you explain to me how my laptop refusing to read mice randomly is my fault? I treat everything with respect. Unless you can come up with a helpful reason why this is happening, then accept the fact that it's screwy and that computers are at times. You never really see a console freezing, but no matter how many times I use a mac computer, it will always manage to freeze on me no matter what I do with it. Apparently, opening a menu is sometimes too much to ask for a computer. I'd also like to know how I was supposed to foresee a computer just not turning on one day. How does that even happen?

The difference between computers and consoles is that 99% of the problems wiith PCs are problems with the OS, whereas most consoles have no such problems, if anything on consoles before the HD ones could even be considered an OS. You can't go look at your VMU on a dreamcast and have it freeze on you, forcing you to end the process and try again. Consoles have hardware problems, which are no where near as common as the problems experienced on computers. I have used computers and consoles all my life. I am not an idiot and I know how to use both of them. Miraculously, my consoles have for the msot part stood the test of time, except for a weird incident in which a Gamecube and PS2 got DRE on the sameday, which I am convinced is some sort of electrical problem or the result of evil spirits at work. Considering Gamecubes don't get DRE, let alone on the same day as a perfectly fine PS2.

Bravo, I said pc gamer was bragging about being able to run the game at low resolutions, which you in no way disproved.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

topgunmv

Because that game was like the Crysis of that era... is was the best graphic game... which needed a crazy video card, and I proved that the game could run at 1600x1200 which even console can't do... like bravo!

1600x1200 low resolution now... while the Xbox was running doom 3 @ 480p... and console of this gen can hardly acheive 1080p... most or all of them are 720p.

What? You need to go back and read these posts, I think you're starting to see what you want me to be saying and not what I actually said.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Bravo, I said pc gamer was bragging about being able to run the game at low resolutions, which you in no way disproved.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Because that game was like the Crysis of that era... is was the best graphic game... which needed a crazy video card, and I proved that the game could run at 1600x1200 which even console can't do... like bravo!

Bebi_vegeta

1600x1200 low resolution now... while the Xbox was running doom 3 @ 480p... and console of this gen can hardly acheive 1080p... most or all of them are 720p.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="King-Saddam"] 1. Use a controller. For example hook up your wiimote, dual shock 3 or 360 controller.

2.Im sure we don't see x game > y game = ps3/360> ditto

3.That point makes no sense. All PC games are created with the intent the community will support it. Nearly all pc games have a mod section or menu.

4.You can spend money or you don't have to. People are still running games fine with their 8600 gts ( nearly 4 years old).

5.Games have a $15 price hike so MS and sony can fill their pockets.

8. The PC standard for HDD space is 500-1000 gb today. I have 2 1 tb HDDs' in Raid0. Consider 12gb for 360 owners. No matter what 360 owners can't have more than 9 gb. The BD is extremely slow. Nothing matches HDD speeds except Solid state drives and SDHC cards.

9.Its not cheating

10.Because patches for console games don't exist. For example BF1942 was practically broken and don't get me started about socom.

11.You can buy PC games off ebay as well as from a store with a CASE. For example i bought GTA4 for $30 while the 360 version was still $70

12.RROD/YLOD/ throwing your wii mote at your tv. Its actually fairly easy to fix problems on your pc. It is almost always due to the lack of knowledge or ignorance.

King-Saddam

1. You can't play dualshock with Sim City, but your whole point was that Mouse and Keyboard were superior. Now you're telling me to use "inferior" controls like dualshock.

2. What?

3. Mods are completely different from LBP. Mods are created by people to alter pre-existing games, whose main feature is the standalone game, not the ability to alter the game. Mods require programming and graphic resources and while they may be encouraged, they are not like LBP in any way. Unless a user creates a mod of a game that's main feature is creation. Which is still completely different from LBP. I don't understand why PC gamers don't understand that there is a real difference between developers and someone who spends 5 years in their mother's basement developing a modification to a pre-existing game that's main feature was a standalone version int he first place.

4. You have to spend money if you want to play all the games in a generation. If I want to play PS3 games, I buy a PS3 and it's a great investment because I never have to upgrade the hardware to play all the games.

5. No, games have rate hikes because they cost more than ever to make and developers aren't being paid more for the extra work that they're putting into the games. If you haven't noticed, Sony is hardly in the best position. Licensing fees are necessary for their survival as a hardware company.

8. Okay, good point. Speed is something PCs have over PS3s and perhaps 360s.

9. Sure.

10. This isn't really a big deal. There's nothing wrong with developers having to sell a game as is. That's what playtesting is for.

11. Okay, but you weren't talking about PC games, you were talking about free games. You can buy both PC and console games on ebay with cases, as well as in stores, which is a level playing field.

12. Sorry, but I've owned many computers in my lifetime. And in my experience, things just generally go wrong because things just go wrong. Can you explain to me how my laptop refusing to read mice randomly is my fault? I treat everything with respect. Unless you can come up with a helpful reason why this is happening, then accept the fact that it's screwy and that computers are at times. You never really see a console freezing, but no matter how many times I use a mac computer, it will always manage to freeze on me no matter what I do with it. Apparently, opening a menu is sometimes too much to ask for a computer. I'd also like to know how I was supposed to foresee a computer just not turning on one day. How does that even happen?

The difference between computers and consoles is that 99% of the problems wiith PCs are problems with the OS, whereas most consoles have no such problems, if anything on consoles before the HD ones could even be considered an OS. You can't go look at your VMU on a dreamcast and have it freeze on you, forcing you to end the process and try again. Consoles have hardware problems, which are no where near as common as the problems experienced on computers. I have used computers and consoles all my life. I am not an idiot and I know how to use both of them. Miraculously, my consoles have for the msot part stood the test of time, except for a weird incident in which a Gamecube and PS2 got DRE on the sameday, which I am convinced is some sort of electrical problem or the result of evil spirits at work. Considering Gamecubes don't get DRE, let alone on the same day as a perfectly fine PS2.

No, I implied that you would think it was. And to be honest, the DS3 would be inferior to KM if Sim City were concerned. But to 90% of the games that I own, the Dualshock would be superior.

What? You need to go back and read these posts, I think you're starting to see what you want me to be saying and not what I actually said.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

topgunmv

1600x1200 low resolution now... while the Xbox was running doom 3 @ 480p... and console of this gen can hardly acheive 1080p... most or all of them are 720p.

Well, it's true PC have been running games on HD resolution since a while back... and you tried to counter with Doom 3 being able to do 800x600 in 2004... and I said and prove it that it could more... so, do I have this right?

The TC was basically saying that low resolutions haven't been acceptable since 2001, me pointing out the pc gamer review was saying that in fact they were still perfectly acceptable well beyound 2001, I didn't say it was impossible to run it at a high resolution.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

What? You need to go back and read these posts, I think you're starting to see what you want me to be saying and not what I actually said.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

1600x1200 low resolution now... while the Xbox was running doom 3 @ 480p... and console of this gen can hardly acheive 1080p... most or all of them are 720p.

Bebi_vegeta

Well, it's true PC have been running games on HD resolution since a while back... and you tried to counter with Doom 3 being able to do 800x600 in 2004... and I said and prove it that it could more... so, do I have this right?