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#1 dc337
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So I was looking at Amazon video games sales data and noticed that the Playstation Move wasn't in the top 100. I was curious as to what was at the bottom of the list and noticed the $150 Halo Reach Legendary edition which is basically Halo Reach with some McFarlane toys in a big box.

This led me to reach two conclusions:

1. Playstation Move will bomb.....hard. If you have pre-ordered it then go ahead and cancel because this is going to be a dead-end accessory. The crowd that bought the Wii has zero interest in it.

2. Halo fans are not being properly milked. There needs to be a $600 Halo themed Xbox edition. MS is throwing money away by only having a $150 edition.

For those that say "Amazon pre-orders don't matter" please be aware that many of you made the same comment in an earlier thread where I pointed out that Alan Wake pre-orders were surprisingly low given the amount of hype it had.

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#2 aaronmullan
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You should have put "On Amazon" in the title.
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#3 fueled-system
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To be fair nobody outside the sony fanboys would find this as a surprise.

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#4 Raymundo_Manuel
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Amazon - The World's Market

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#5 FIipMode
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Yeah Move will bomb, I just don't understand why people care so much about Amazon bestsellers lists.
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#6 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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Yeaa Amazon.
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Amazon - The World's Market

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I just cancelled my pre-order.

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#8 ManicAce
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Halo is a monster. Move failing won't come as a surprise. I like you a lot more when you aren't just hating PC. ;)
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#9 milsvaard
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Move will fail, hopefully Kinect too. All hail the regular controller!!

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#10 dc337
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Yeah Move will bomb, I just don't understand why people care so much about Amazon bestsellers lists.FIipMode
Because they're a good indicator of general interest.

I correctly predicted poor Alan Wake sales based on the Amazon bestseller list even though quite a few people here didn't believe that sales of less than a million was even possible.

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#11 Mark36111
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Releasing Move the same week that Reach hits store shelves is an amazingly stupid idea by Sony.
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#12 antifanboyftw
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a game of a proven and popular franchise is outselling an unproven motion controller? surely you jest! even if it is $150, its the last bungie halo game, comes with a bunch of stuff for die hard fans, and for all the 12 year olds, flaming heads.
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#13 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Yeah Move will bomb, I just don't understand why people care so much about Amazon bestsellers lists.dc337

Because they're a good indicator of general interest.

I correctly predicted poor Alan Wake sales based on the Amazon bestseller list even though quite a few people here didn't believe that sales of less than a million was even possible.

Not always, right now NCAA Football is above Red Dead on the bestsellers list, but we all know Red Dead is selling more right now, don't rely on Amazon so much.

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#14 XboximusPrime
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Its on amazon. And also "No **** its Halo"

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#15 svenus97
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If i pre-ordered Move, I would so cancel it right now because you told me to.

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#16 LegatoSkyheart
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Expensive Motion Control with a Wii Sports knock off or An Actual Game that comes with a statue of Bravo team and other goodies.

I wonder which is the better product.

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#17 dercoo
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Your comparing software to hardware sales....

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#18 -RocBoys9489-
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Your comparing software to hardware sales....

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Technically it's "hard" ware :P
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#19 yanbuco2712
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Releasing Move the same week that Reach hits store shelves is an amazingly stupid idea by Sony.Mark36111

Not everyone owns a 360 and a PS3 you know.

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#20 dc337
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[QUOTE="dc337"]

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Yeah Move will bomb, I just don't understand why people care so much about Amazon bestsellers lists.FIipMode

Because they're a good indicator of general interest.

I correctly predicted poor Alan Wake sales based on the Amazon bestseller list even though quite a few people here didn't believe that sales of less than a million was even possible.

Not always, right now NCAA Football is above Red Dead on the bestsellers list, but we all know Red Dead is selling more right now, don't rely on Amazon so much.

NCAA 11 just came out so it may be doing better. But as I said Amazon is a good indicator, which doesn't mean that it is 100% accurate at predicting sales. But you can make general predictions based on pre-orders, especially when they are abnormally low.

Red Dead and NCAA 11 are both doing well on Amazon and elsewhere. Playstation Move isn't even in the top #150. That's a bomb.

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#21 Ragnarok1051
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Its Halo. Even the special editions will sell well.

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#22 gago-gago
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I love the "it's Halo" answers. That should show you how dominate the brand is. Anyway, wait the Move isn't even on the top 100? I would rather buy the $100 Move bundle than the $150 Reach edition.

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#23 moose_knuckler
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Why should this be suprising anyway? It's Halo and this is only limited to Amazon.
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#24 aca247
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Move will fail, hopefully Kinect too. All hail the regular controller!!

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+ about a million
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#25 Funconsole
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Amazon =/= Whole world Although I did pre-order Halo: Reach legendary edition :P
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#26 dc337
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Why should this be suprising anyway? It's Halo and this is only limited to Amazon.moose_knuckler


The point is more that it is outside the top 100 as shown by being outsold by a $150 Halo toy box.

It's also being outsold by the God of War collection. Sony will make more money from a ps2 re-release.

It's a big fat bomb, don't even bother with damage control.

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#27 mysterj
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[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Why should this be suprising anyway? It's Halo and this is only limited to Amazon.dc337



The point is more that it is outside the top 100 as shown by being outsold by a $150 Halo toy box.

It's also being outsold by the God of War collection. Sony will make more money from a ps2 re-release.

It's a big fat bomb, don't even bother with damage control.

It's also being outsold by regular DS3 controller, man this is like pretty useless data from Amazon. Should we also assume that both PS3 and 360 is outselling Wii then? Cuz that's what Amazon tells us.

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#28 Zero5000X
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People here are showing their ignorance. What do you think all the Halo fans go to Amazon and nowhere else? Places like Amazon, GameStop, and Walmart are representative of general trends in purchasing at least for NA.
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#29 dark-warmachine
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To be fair nobody outside the sony fanboys would find this as a surprise.

fueled-system

I don't even think sony fanboys would find this as a surprise.

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#30 djsifer01
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Its only amazon, thats no indication anything will bomb. I have move on pre-order and will not be canceling it.
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#31 dc337
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Its only amazon, thats no indication anything will bomb. I have move on pre-order and will not be canceling it.djsifer01


The PS3 move starter bundle is only $100 but is ranked at #186. That's a bomb.

Everyone saw the Move in the E3 videos. There won't be any big surprise that draws everyone to the stores.

The PS3 move is headed towards the failed accessory graveyard. Gamers are not excited about the glowing ice cream cone.

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#32 ReaperV7
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oh no another halo game that is being hyped to hell and back.....oh no.......
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#33 Arbiterisl33t69
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oh no another halo game that is being hyped to hell and back.....oh no.......ReaperV7
Was wondering when someone would say this :D Oh and a PS3 Slim sig to boot! Totally not a Halo-hating cow.
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#34 dc337
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[QUOTE="dc337"]

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Why should this be suprising anyway? It's Halo and this is only limited to Amazon.mysterj



The point is more that it is outside the top 100 as shown by being outsold by a $150 Halo toy box.

It's also being outsold by the God of War collection. Sony will make more money from a ps2 re-release.

It's a big fat bomb, don't even bother with damage control.

It's also being outsold by regular DS3 controller, man this is like pretty useless data from Amazon. Should we also assume that both PS3 and 360 is outselling Wii then? Cuz that's what Amazon tells us.

Well the new 360 is currently outselling the wii in the US
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/07/16/xbox.redesign.outsells.wii.in.npd.numbers/

As I said Amazon can be used to make general predictions.

Based on the current list I can predict that:
Starcraft 2 and Final Fantasy XIV will be big sellers, Mario Wii games and MW2 will continue to sell well, no console is that far behind in sales, PSP game sales are lousy and Playstation Move will bomb like a nuke out of orbit.

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#35 hd5870corei7
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Releasing Move the same week that Reach hits store shelves is an amazingly stupid idea by Sony.Mark36111
Why?
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#36 coola426
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oooo yea AMAZON

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#37 UnArguably
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Amazon numbers are updated hourly... that doens't mean anything?
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#38 IndianaPwns39
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You're comparing

A well established franchise that sells in bulk to begin with AND had an open beta that millions played

to

An unproven, hardly-anyone-has-tried, controller add on with no good games at launch, and with no direct advertisements/marketing campaign

Why?

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[QUOTE="Mark36111"]Releasing Move the same week that Reach hits store shelves is an amazingly stupid idea by Sony.hd5870corei7
Why?

Trying to compete with a powerhouse sequel isnt exactly a bright idea friend.

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#40 UnArguably
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[QUOTE="hd5870corei7"][QUOTE="Mark36111"]Releasing Move the same week that Reach hits store shelves is an amazingly stupid idea by Sony.DroidPhysX

Why?

Trying to compete with a powerhouse sequel isnt exactly a bright idea friend.

but move is not a game but an accessory?
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kind of hard to track Move's sales when it comes from existing and upcoming accessories.

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#42 JuarN18
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="hd5870corei7"] Why? UnArguably

Trying to compete with a powerhouse sequel isnt exactly a bright idea friend.

but move is not a game but an accessory?

that is targeting a different group of gamers
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#43 dc337
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Amazon numbers are updated hourly... that doens't mean anything?UnArguably

Not at all when it is that far away from the top 100.

You can also see how long a product has been in the top 100.

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#44 XanderZane
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So I was looking at Amazon video games sales data and noticed that the Playstation Move wasn't in the top 100. I was curious as to what was at the bottom of the list and noticed the $150 Halo Reach Legendary edition which is basically Halo Reach with some McFarlane toys in a big box.

This led me to reach two conclusions:

1. Playstation Move will bomb.....hard. If you have pre-ordered it then go ahead and cancel because this is going to be a dead-end accessory. The crowd that bought the Wii has zero interest in it.

2. Halo fans are not being properly milked. There needs to be a $600 Halo themed Xbox edition. MS is throwing money away by only having a $150 edition.

For those that say "Amazon pre-orders don't matter" please be aware that many of you made the same comment in an earlier thread where I pointed out that Alan Wake pre-orders were surprisingly low given the amount of hype it had.

dc337

The $150 Halo Reach bundle isn't going to sell many. The Halo 3 Helmet bundle didn't sell all that great. There were tons of them still on retail shelves every where I went. So seeing this at the bottom of Amazon's top 100 is no surprise. It's pretty much a given. Check and see where the Halo: Reach Collector's Edition is at?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=amb_link_6856902_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=07TSXC1WABDDZ7129RVB&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1264267082&pf_rd_i=468642

KINECT is 48 on the list and it costs more then the MOVE. LOL!!

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#45 dc337
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kind of hard to track Move's sales when it comes from existing and upcoming accessories.

HavocV3

No it isn't when you at least need the controller which also isn't in the top 100.

The sports starter bundle is only $100 and comes with a free game.

It's currently ranked at #205. That's a bomb.

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is kinect top 100?

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[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

kind of hard to track Move's sales when it comes from existing and upcoming accessories.

dc337

No it isn't when you at least need the controller which also isn't in the top 100.

The sports starter bundle is only $100 and comes with a free game.

It's currently ranked at #205. That's a bomb.

#205? Damn.. that is low on the list. KINECT is at #48. Maybe Microsoft's motion device will be a HOT X-Mas item after all.

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is kinect top 100?

Aboogie5

Yes, it's #48 on Amazon's Top 100 list. I'm curious to see how many pre-orders Gamestop has for both of these. I already pre-ordered KINECT, but I need to pre-order some of the games. I have no plans of getting MOVE this year, but will check it out sometime next year is Sony doesn't pull the plug on it.

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#48 Aboogie5
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[QUOTE="dc337"]

[QUOTE="HavocV3"] No it isn't when you at least need the controller which also isn't in the top 100.

The sports starter bundle is only $100 and comes with a free game.

It's currently ranked at #205. That's a bomb.

XanderZane

#205? Damn.. that is low on the list. KINECT is at #48. Maybe Microsoft's motion device will be a HOT X-Mas item after all.

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is kinect top 100?

Aboogie5

Yes, it's #48 on Amazon's Top 100 list. I'm curious to see how many pre-orders Gamestop has for both of these. I already pre-ordered KINECT, but I need to pre-order some of the games. I have no plans of getting MOVE this year, but will check it out sometime next year is Sony doesn't pull the plug on it.

rofl

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#49 88mphSlayer
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You should have put "On Amazon" in the title.aaronmullan

Amason is a pretty accurate indicator of what will happen at retail tho :/

Yes, it's #48 on Amazon's Top 100 list. I'm curious to see how many pre-orders Gamestop has for both of these. I already pre-ordered KINECT, but I need to pre-order some of the games. I have no plans of getting MOVE this year, but will check it out sometime next year is Sony doesn't pull the plug on it.

XanderZane

honestly if you really want Kinect then pre-order at walmart.com you basically get $10 off an extra Kinect game of your choosing and a $30 gift card which you can then spend on Halo: Reach or whatever

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#50 ActicEdge
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Neither of these games are out, why is everyone so Amazon snobby? Its an indication, not law.