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They wouldn't supply, if there wasn't a demand.-RPGamer-
Is there a site where I can get a sig like yours, or is it original?
[QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]They wouldn't supply, if there wasn't a demand.-RPGamer-
Is there a site where I can get a sig like yours, or is it original?
Sorry no site, made it myself :)
Okay, good job -- looks nice.
those shipped consoles will probably be bought within a week, and then the next shipment will come
Mad_Rhetoric
sure keep believing that all 6 million 360 out there will be sold in one week..lol...they sold at least 13 million world wide.. and sony have at least 9 million now...
[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]those shipped consoles will probably be bought within a week, and then the next shipment will come
Damrightfresh
sure keep believing that all 6 million 360 out there will be sold in one week..lol...they sold at least 13 million world wide.. and sony have at least 9 million now...
WTF are you talking about? They sold 6 million as long time ago,microsoft still makes money for shipping them, the store has bought them at that point. This whole arguement is thus arbetrary.
-AS
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="JayPee89"]There's a sticky.D0013ER
lol. i forgot i stickied that. :lol:
Can you mod yourself? :P
I wouldn't be surprised if he did :P
Who cares if they are shipped or sold, does it matter? Whats the difference? I just don't understand why fanboys make such a big deal out of this.
Everytime a company puts out numbers, theres always the first fool that asks whether they were shipped or sold.
I mean shipped and sold numbers are so similar and usually equates to same amount of market share. People act as if theres a drastic difference between the two...
Who cares if they are shipped or sold, does it matter? Whats the difference? I just don't understand why fanboys make such a big deal out of this.
Everytime a company puts out numbers, theres always the first fool that asks whether they were shipped or sold.
I mean shipped and sold numbers are so similar and usually equates to same amount of market share. People act as if theres a drastic difference between the two...
Blue-Sky
Exactly. What really matters is sold to retailers because THAT is how money is made.
Who cares if they are shipped or sold, does it matter? Whats the difference? I just don't understand why fanboys make such a big deal out of this.
Everytime a company puts out numbers, theres always the first fool that asks whether they were shipped or sold.
I mean shipped and sold numbers are so similar and usually equates to same amount of market share. People act as if theres a drastic difference between the two...
Blue-Sky
I concur.:)
I mean I know if I was leading a company I would send out more units upon those that didn't sell before it making stores have massive stocks of shipped but not sold hardware... oh wait.
For those that were saying it was sold no they just said it on the conference it was 17 million shipped not sold...fistoflight
yes and with the ps3. so what of it? sony and ms can't tell how many they sold exactly to the customer, so they use the numbers they sell to the retailer. For example, why would retailer want to more consoles? answer, cause they are selling them and the stock is getting low. with the ps3, they do the same counting....unless sony call every store in every city and asks how many they sold and how many they are currently holding. which would be riduculous and take alot of time and money.
The shipped numbers don't really mean anything because it's not delivered numbers. Shipped numbers could very easily have a big stock pile sitting in warehouses just to make there numbers look good. Delivered numbers would be the number delivered to retailers.jimm895
well now thats just twisting it around. tho u could be true, i never heard of the companies ever saying those...plus ever saying they had warehouses of them...i thought as soon as they were made they were shipped...at least thats whta i thought because the demand for both consoles is high, but not so high. this gen is no dream cast for either console, no warehouses are getting filled that i'm aware of....OTHER then Xbox 360 REPAIR shops,..lol! :D
Keeping track of consoles sold to customers is impossible because it would require all consumers to have direct feed back to M$. Shipped (meaningconsoles sold to retailers)numbers are sufficient.
If you want hard numbers: there are 10M 360 Live users. Last year there was about 60% of 360 users had a Live account. If you applythat rationto the current subscription number, you come up with 16M 360 owners (give or take). Also keep in mind that M$ said that they have 2M 360 subscribers compared with 1.2 PS3 sales. Keeping in minda that only 60% of owners sign up for a Live account, the number of 360s sold over the holidays could be close to 3M. Of course, some of the 2M accounts could come from owners who never signed up for a Live account until the holiday. Factoring that in, i would be willing to bet that sales were close to 2.5M over the holidays. Still 2X higher than Sonys, if the numbers that each manufacturer is giving is accurate.
For all the noobs who don't understand why sold to customer numbers are important:
How are retailers going to buy more consoles from MS if they don't sell those to customers? Are retailers going to infinitely keep ordering more stock just for the heck of it? Also, customers = install base. So sold through to customers is definitely more important than shipped.
Also, there are services like NPD that track of sold to customer numbers. So it's not impossible to keep track of it. For example, up to Nov. 2007, the 360 has sold 7.8 million. We're waiting for the next NPD numbers and we'll see how much they have sold in Dec.
As long as 3rd party support continues to be good who cares about sales? I don't have shares in MS but I do get to play any good games released on the platform. There has been plenty of these recently and most sold well (COD 4, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, Bioshock ect.) and these game sales will increase the chance of 3rd party developer wanting to make more games on the platform.
[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Who cares if they are shipped or sold, does it matter? Whats the difference? I just don't understand why fanboys make such a big deal out of this.
Everytime a company puts out numbers, theres always the first fool that asks whether they were shipped or sold.
I mean shipped and sold numbers are so similar and usually equates to same amount of market share. People act as if theres a drastic difference between the two...
-RPGamer-
I concur.:)
I mean I know if I was leading a company I would send out more units upon those that didn't sell before it making stores have massive stocks of shipped but not sold hardware... oh wait.
[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Who cares if they are shipped or sold, does it matter? Whats the difference? I just don't understand why fanboys make such a big deal out of this.
Everytime a company puts out numbers, theres always the first fool that asks whether they were shipped or sold.
I mean shipped and sold numbers are so similar and usually equates to same amount of market share. People act as if theres a drastic difference between the two...
TMontana1004
Exactly. What really matters is sold to retailers because THAT is how money is made.
Except last winter they flooded the market. I remember last Christmas going into Best Buy and seeing 360's stacked along every free wall and opened isle way. Thats why it makes a differance though.
For those that were saying it was sold no they just said it on the conference it was 17 million shipped not sold...fistoflight
Microsoft sold them to retailers. So it's money in Microsoft's pocket.
Now the stores have to finish the job and sell them to consumers.
[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Who cares if they are shipped or sold, does it matter? Whats the difference? I just don't understand why fanboys make such a big deal out of this.
Everytime a company puts out numbers, theres always the first fool that asks whether they were shipped or sold.
I mean shipped and sold numbers are so similar and usually equates to same amount of market share. People act as if theres a drastic difference between the two...
rockydog1111
I concur.:)
I mean I know if I was leading a company I would send out more units upon those that didn't sell before it making stores have massive stocks of shipped but not sold hardware... oh wait.
[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Who cares if they are shipped or sold, does it matter? Whats the difference? I just don't understand why fanboys make such a big deal out of this.
Everytime a company puts out numbers, theres always the first fool that asks whether they were shipped or sold.
I mean shipped and sold numbers are so similar and usually equates to same amount of market share. People act as if theres a drastic difference between the two...
TMontana1004
Exactly. What really matters is sold to retailers because THAT is how money is made.
Except last winter they flooded the market. I remember last Christmas going into Best Buy and seeing 360's stacked along every free wall and opened isle way. Thats why it makes a differance though.
If you are trying to say that BestBuy wouldn't be purchasing 360's for a while, then yes, you are correct.
Come on NPD where are youreal45
I'd like to know that myself. Is there a specific date when they are releasing numbers?
They wouldn't supply, if there wasn't a demand.-RPGamer-
May I remind you that MS announced their number last year this same time...around 11 million sold they claimed. BUt it quickly became obvious in the following months that they had seriously overshipped and overstocked stores in order to inflate their numbers. It was 3 months later that MS had to announce they only sold 700,000 360's WORLD WIDE the first quarter of 2007.
Why? How could this be? Why such a drop off? If you look at the NPD sales for this time period, MS was clearly selling more consoles than they were shipping. But since they had seriously overshipped consoles for the purpose of inflating the numbers for the press release, it took a few months for everything to stabilize again.
The numbers will ALWAYS balance out eventually. So your claim that they wouldn't ship that many if there wasn't a demand flies complete in the face of reality and evidence.
That being said, we will see over the next couple months if MS's numbers are real or if, once again, they are artificially inflating their numbers for the purpose of press releases and lying to the public.
[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]They wouldn't supply, if there wasn't a demand.ZIMdoom
May I remind you that MS announced their number last year this same time...around 11 million sold they claimed. BUt it quickly became obvious in the following months that they had seriously overshipped and overstocked stores in order to inflate their numbers. It was 3 months later that MS had to announce they only sold 700,000 360's WORLD WIDE the first quarter of 2007.
Why? How could this be? Why such a drop off? If you look at the NPD sales for this time period, MS was clearly selling more consoles than they were shipping. But since they had seriously overshipped consoles for the purpose of inflating the numbers for the press release, it took a few months for everything to stabilize again.
The numbers will ALWAYS balance out eventually. So your claim that they wouldn't ship that many if there wasn't a demand flies complete in the face of reality and evidence.
That being said, we will see over the next couple months if MS's numbers are real or if, once again, they are artificially inflating their numbers for the purpose of press releases and lying to the public.
Maybe i missed something obvious but wouldnt they be shipping to fulfill orders[QUOTE="JayPee89"]There's a sticky.CaseyWegner
lol. i forgot i stickied that. :lol:
I'm pretty sure that's because it was me that stickied it :P
[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]They wouldn't supply, if there wasn't a demand.EmpCom
May I remind you that MS announced their number last year this same time...around 11 million sold they claimed. BUt it quickly became obvious in the following months that they had seriously overshipped and overstocked stores in order to inflate their numbers. It was 3 months later that MS had to announce they only sold 700,000 360's WORLD WIDE the first quarter of 2007.
Why? How could this be? Why such a drop off? If you look at the NPD sales for this time period, MS was clearly selling more consoles than they were shipping. But since they had seriously overshipped consoles for the purpose of inflating the numbers for the press release, it took a few months for everything to stabilize again.
The numbers will ALWAYS balance out eventually. So your claim that they wouldn't ship that many if there wasn't a demand flies complete in the face of reality and evidence.
That being said, we will see over the next couple months if MS's numbers are real or if, once again, they are artificially inflating their numbers for the purpose of press releases and lying to the public.
Maybe i missed something obvious but wouldnt they be shipping to fulfill ordersHonestly, I don't know the exact process. But the point remains the same. Last year, MS had overshipped consoles which had a noticeable impact on their first quarter numbers. So whether youblame MS or youblame stores for over-orderingthe result was the same...an oversupply, an under-demand, and as a result there were 3 months of terrible shipments which resulted in embarasingly low numbers for that quarter.
Furthermore, MS has never met a bit of info they didn't LOVE to spin into a good news story and then pump out press releases.While all companies love to be media-wh***s,no company that I've known loves torelease out of context numbersthe way MS does. I think all the companies would be better off if they weren't such slaves to the PR department. Let the facts speak for themselves and dodamage control when needed. BUt it's a complete waste to try and overhype your console when it is already selling well (MS), or to start shooting your mouth of like a moronto get attention (Sony).
Like I said already. The next few months will reveal the truth. Was shipped vs sold #s really close for that 17.7 million, or was it way off and stores are once again left with oversupplies that will take time to sell?
[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]They wouldn't supply, if there wasn't a demand.ZIMdoom
May I remind you that MS announced their number last year this same time...around 11 million sold they claimed. BUt it quickly became obvious in the following months that they had seriously overshipped and overstocked stores in order to inflate their numbers. It was 3 months later that MS had to announce they only sold 700,000 360's WORLD WIDE the first quarter of 2007.
Why? How could this be? Why such a drop off? If you look at the NPD sales for this time period, MS was clearly selling more consoles than they were shipping. But since they had seriously overshipped consoles for the purpose of inflating the numbers for the press release, it took a few months for everything to stabilize again.
The numbers will ALWAYS balance out eventually. So your claim that they wouldn't ship that many if there wasn't a demand flies complete in the face of reality and evidence.
That being said, we will see over the next couple months if MS's numbers are real or if, once again, they are artificially inflating their numbers for the purpose of press releases and lying to the public.
Maybe i missed something obvious but wouldnt they be shipping to fulfill ordersHonestly, I don't know the exact process. But the point remains the same. Last year, MS had overshipped consoles which had a noticeable impact on their first quarter numbers. So whether youblame MS or youblame stores for over-orderingthe result was the same...an oversupply, an under-demand, and as a result there were 3 months of terrible shipments which resulted in embarasingly low numbers for that quarter.
Furthermore, MS has never met a bit of info they didn't LOVE to spin into a good news story and then pump out press releases.While all companies love to be media-wh***s,no company that I've known loves torelease out of context numbersthe way MS does. I think all the companies would be better off if they weren't such slaves to the PR department. Let the facts speak for themselves and dodamage control when needed. BUt it's a complete waste to try and overhype your console when it is already selling well (MS), or to start shooting your mouth of like a moronto get attention (Sony).
Like I said already. The next few months will reveal the truth. Was shipped vs sold #s really close for that 17.7 million, or was it way off and stores are once again left with oversupplies that will take time to sell?
Question: how can you "overship" a console? The retailers decide how many they're going to buy from Microsoft. You're argument would then have to become that "retail over-bought". Either way, it's not Microsoft's issue, problem, or fault.
They've made their sale (the sell to retailers).
[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Who cares if they are shipped or sold, does it matter? Whats the difference? I just don't understand why fanboys make such a big deal out of this.
Everytime a company puts out numbers, theres always the first fool that asks whether they were shipped or sold.
I mean shipped and sold numbers are so similar and usually equates to same amount of market share. People act as if theres a drastic difference between the two...
rockydog1111
I concur.:)
I mean I know if I was leading a company I would send out more units upon those that didn't sell before it making stores have massive stocks of shipped but not sold hardware... oh wait.
[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Who cares if they are shipped or sold, does it matter? Whats the difference? I just don't understand why fanboys make such a big deal out of this.
Everytime a company puts out numbers, theres always the first fool that asks whether they were shipped or sold.
I mean shipped and sold numbers are so similar and usually equates to same amount of market share. People act as if theres a drastic difference between the two...
TMontana1004
Exactly. What really matters is sold to retailers because THAT is how money is made.
Except last winter they flooded the market. I remember last Christmas going into Best Buy and seeing 360's stacked along every free wall and opened isle way. Thats why it makes a differance though.
so? those units will eventually get sold, best buy wouldn't order more until the ones on shelf are gonePlease Log In to post.
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