2160p gaming....only PC.

Most people can't tell the difference between a 1080p and 720p on a 40" HDTV. Before you tell me about how crummy 720p looks on your HDTV please remember that native res can make a huge difference. You have to compare native 720p with native 1080p.

They can swtich jobs i.e. each SPE has 256KByte of local memory. You can have 100KByte for task A and 156Kb for task B. Treat SPEs as a fast simple mini-PC.ronvalencia

It can't while in game.

Most people can't tell the difference between a 1080p and 720p on a 40" HDTV. Before you tell me about how crummy 720p looks on your HDTV please remember that native res can make a huge difference. You have to compare native 720p with native 1080p.

dc337

Easy to do that.

Just use a large CRT which doesn't have a native resolution.

you didn't answer the question. why are you hatin on me?

theuncharted34

To make it simple the PS3 cell is trying to act as a gpu solution and fails at it while also failing as a CPU because of how it was designed.

PCs don't operate on cpus only.

The tasks that are coded for the PS3 cpu can be done much better on the gpu.

In the past we used CPUs for all those tasks then we developed gpus to handle them.

A single 5870 can do 2.72 Tflops which makes the Cell look laughable.

As I said the PC cpus handle different functions like AI scripts. They leave the other stuff to the GPU as the GPU can do a much better job.

Number crunching doesn't mean much anyway especially THEORETICAL numbers.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]They can swtich jobs i.e. each SPE has 256KByte of local memory. You can have 100KByte for task A and 156Kb for task B. Treat SPEs as a fast simple mini-PC.Hakkai007

It can't while in game.

As an example, AMD Radeon HD 4850/4870 has 2 Megabytes of register data storage i.e. fastest known storage method.

SPE has 128 128bit(16byte) registers. ~2 kilobyte register data storage.

Who's going to develop 2160p games?

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

you didn't answer the question. why are you hatin on me?

Hakkai007

To make it simple the PS3 cell is trying to act as a gpu solution and fails at it while also failing as a CPU because of how it was designed.

PCs don't operate on cpus only.

The tasks that are coded for the PS3 cpu can be done much better on the gpu.

In the past we used CPUs for all those tasks then we developed gpus to handle them.

A single 5870 can do2.72 Tflops which makes the Cell look laughable.

As I said the PC cpus handle different functions like AI scripts. They leave the other stuff to the GPU as the GPU can do a much better job.

Number crunching doesn't mean much anyway especially THEORETICAL numbers.

again, didn't say it was better than i7 or something stupid like that, just that with raw number crunching, it owns everything. But that's it. Again, Are you saying that xenon > cell. And so what if it's not as good as a gpu, it can help ALOT as shown by UC2, kz2, gow 3 ect. xenon > cell?

[QUOTE="dc337"]

Most people can't tell the difference between a 1080p and 720p on a 40" HDTV. Before you tell me about how crummy 720p looks on your HDTV please remember that native res can make a huge difference. You have to compare native 720p with native 1080p.

Hakkai007

Easy to do that.

Just use a large CRT which doesn't have a native resolution.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

Actually you can quad SLI PS3s to get 2160p :P

Hakkai007

The game runs at 1280x1080 not 1920x1080.

again, didn't say it was better than i7 or something stupid like that, just that with raw number crunching, it owns everything. But that's it. Again, Are you saying that xenon > cell. And so what if it's not as good as a gpu, it can help ALOT as shown by UC2, kz2, gow 3 ect. xenon > cell?

theuncharted34

Not talking about the Xeon and you are comparing the Cell which is built to act more like a gpu to a x86 based CPU.

You should be comparing it to a gpu as it was based off the 7800 geforce series.

As a cpu it still fails.

None of those games you mentioned are anything special.

Maybe you need to read this.

http://www.overclock.net/9562575-post53.html

CRT monitor lol. Anyways with a computer monitor you are a foot and a half away so the resolution difference is going to be more noticeable. But at some point your eyes can no longer tell the difference. It's similar to frame rate in that going from 70fps to 700fps is not going to make the game seem 10x faster. You already reached the point where the game looks perfectly fluid.

But more importantly bragging about this is pretty silly with the majority of multiplats are designed around 720p. A super-high res won't magically increase the poly count of the models. With most multiplats they don't even bump up the textures for the pc version.

dc337

Nothing wrong with a CRT monitor which is superior to LCDs in picture quality.

It's just that they usually have smaller resolutions unless you buy the expensive ones.

Also there is a huge difference from 1280x720 to 1680x1050 and there is a difference from 1680x1050 to 1920x1200.

Also estimates for the human eye is around324 megapixels to 576 megapixels.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

again, didn't say it was better than i7 or something stupid like that, just that with raw number crunching, it owns everything. But that's it. Again, Are you saying that xenon > cell. And so what if it's not as good as a gpu, it can help ALOT as shown by UC2, kz2, gow 3 ect. xenon > cell?

Hakkai007

Not talking about the Xeon and you are comparing the Cell which is built to act more like a gpu to a x86 based CPU.

You should be comparing it to a gpu as it was based off the 7800 geforce series.

As a cpu it still fails.

None of those games you mentioned are anything special.

Maybe you need to read this.

http://www.overclock.net/9562575-post53.html

yep. It sure does fail. It can't even process a game lol what was I thinking :roll: secretly you think those games look awsome. I let you troll me long enough, just thought you would stop. Haven't seen someone diss the cell this bad since 06. clearly naughty dog, guerilla, and santa monica studios have proven the ps3's power by now. Have fun with your delusions.

yep. It sure does fail. It can't even process a game lol what was I thinking :roll: secretly you think those games look awsome. I let you troll me long enough, just thought you would stop. Haven't seen someone diss the cell this bad since 06. clearly naughty dog, guerilla, and santa monica studios have proven the ps3's power by now. Have fun with your delusions.

theuncharted34

Ok I slap you with real facts and you run away. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

And like I said the Cell is built more like a gpu.

It would be slower than a Pentium 4 when it is running software like an OS but the cell can run special tasks well mainly because it acts like a gpu.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="dc337"]

Most people can't tell the difference between a 1080p and 720p on a 40" HDTV. Before you tell me about how crummy 720p looks on your HDTV please remember that native res can make a huge difference. You have to compare native 720p with native 1080p.

dc337

Easy to do that.

Just use a large CRT which doesn't have a native resolution.

Nothing wrong with a CRT monitor which is superior to LCDs in picture quality.

It's just that they usually have smaller resolutions unless you buy the expensive ones.

Also there is a huge difference from 1280x720 to 1680x1050 and there is a difference from 1680x1050 to 1920x1200.

Also estimates for the human eye is around324 megapixels to 576 megapixels.

Hakkai007

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]Nothing wrong with a CRT monitor which is superior to LCDs in picture quality.

It's just that they usually have smaller resolutions unless you buy the expensive ones.

Also there is a huge difference from 1280x720 to 1680x1050 and there is a difference from 1680x1050 to 1920x1200.

Also estimates for the human eye is around324 megapixels to 576 megapixels.

dc337

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]Nothing wrong with a CRT monitor which is superior to LCDs in picture quality.

It's just that they usually have smaller resolutions unless you buy the expensive ones.

Also there is a huge difference from 1280x720 to 1680x1050 and there is a difference from 1680x1050 to 1920x1200.

Also estimates for the human eye is around324 megapixels to 576 megapixels.

dc337

The reason CRTs are less common now is because LCDs take up less space and use less power and have become cheaper over the years.

Also 1080P has already been quite well used on PCs.

PC gamers were playing games at resolutions past 720P in the late 1990s.

When console gamers eventually get a console that will play games at 1080P PC gamers will probably be playing at 2560x1600 or more. They already are some playing at it now.

I couldn't care less I'm fine with 1080p even sd is fine with me. Whats the point of having such a high res if not to brag?

Dont really see the point of a 2650x1600 screen, unless you want more desktop space than you dont really need one. For one you will need a pretty beast of a PC if you want to game on one, probably an SLI solution. I'm perfectly fine with 1080p, games looks great, bluray movies run at their native resolution, and I have more than enough desktop space.

dont really see the point of a 2650x1600 screen, unless you want more desktop space you dont really need one. For one you will need a pretty beast of a PC if you want to game on one, probably an SLI solution. I'm perfectly fine with 1080p, games looks great, bluray movies run at their native resolution, and I have more than enough desktop space.

GTSaiyanjin2

Yeah, enjoy your slideshow@that res :P

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

dont really see the point of a 2650x1600 screen, unless you want more desktop space you dont really need one. For one you will need a pretty beast of a PC if you want to game on one, probably an SLI solution. I'm perfectly fine with 1080p, games looks great, bluray movies run at their native resolution, and I have more than enough desktop space.

Dynafrom

Yeah I have given the 30" screens a thought, but they seem to be more trouble than their worth. I rather stick with 1080p for now, I was just fine with 1680x1050 but 1080p movies didnt look right on it.

PC: It actually does everything

I am a PS gamer, a pre-gamecube Nintendo gamer and a PC gamer. It will look epic.

Anything less is just SD....:

This http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-nvidia-gtx-295-sli,7971.html

And This: http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-82-inch-quad-hd-2160p-lcd-2111715/#entrycontent

720 whaaaa?

True_Gamer_

Good luck getting any modern pc game running at that resolution at even a playble framerate.

Console games generally aren't even 720p. SAGE_OF_FIRE

Thats a lie.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

Anything less is just SD....:

This http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-nvidia-gtx-295-sli,7971.html

And This: http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-82-inch-quad-hd-2160p-lcd-2111715/#entrycontent

720 whaaaa?

TheSterls

Good luck getting any modern pc game running at that resolution at even a playble framerate.

Not alot of games are that demanding unless you bring up games like Napoleon Total War, Crysis, Metro 2033, Arma 2.

Pack some cards into SLI or Crossfire and you can run it.

Expensive yes, but it's still possible.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

Anything less is just SD....:

This http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-nvidia-gtx-295-sli,7971.html

And This: http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-82-inch-quad-hd-2160p-lcd-2111715/#entrycontent

720 whaaaa?

TheSterls

Good luck getting any modern pc game running at that resolution at even a playble framerate.

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]Console games generally aren't even 720p. TheSterls

Thats a lie.

Its really funny to see "hardcore HD consolites" thumb their noses at superior PC tech....and then they get back to squabbling for Graphics QUEEN(note) in multiple cyclical threads title and even ragging on the Wiis and the sheeps for their last gen graphics and casual gameplay (when they are as casual themselves lol).mirgamer

[QUOTE="mirgamer"]Its really funny to see "hardcore HD consolites" thumb their noses at superior PC tech....and then they get back to squabbling for Graphics QUEEN(note) in multiple cyclical threads title and even ragging on the Wiis and the sheeps for their last gen graphics and casual gameplay (when they are as casual themselves lol).dc337

The Witcher 2 would like to have a word with you.

[QUOTE="dc337"]

[QUOTE="mirgamer"]Its really funny to see "hardcore HD consolites" thumb their noses at superior PC tech....and then they get back to squabbling for Graphics QUEEN(note) in multiple cyclical threads title and even ragging on the Wiis and the sheeps for their last gen graphics and casual gameplay (when they are as casual themselves lol).Hakkai007

The Witcher 2 would like to have a word with you.

So would all the PC exclusives and multiplats that are better than their degraded console ports.

And don't snub your nose at the latest GPUs. That's gonna be on consoles one day. PC will always do it best though.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

again, didn't say it was better than i7 or something stupid like that, just that with raw number crunching, it owns everything. But that's it. Again, Are you saying that xenon > cell. And so what if it's not as good as a gpu, it can help ALOT as shown by UC2, kz2, gow 3 ect. xenon > cell?

Hakkai007

Not talking about the Xeon and you are comparing the Cell which is built to act more like a gpu to a x86 based CPU.

You should be comparing it to a gpu as it was based off the 7800 geforce series.

As a cpu it still fails.

None of those games you mentioned are anything special.

Maybe you need to read this.

http://www.overclock.net/9562575-post53.html

Which GPU? SPE doesn't have specialised GPU hardware functions e.g. TMUs, Z-ROPs, color-ROPs, z-buffering, clipping, blending, Z-CULL, Early-Z-Cull, I/O texture compression, I/O texture decompression, large scale hyper-threading, large register data storage, MSAA and 'etc'. SPE can emulate these functions which will reduce the available compute resource.

Intel Larrabee X86 based GPU still includes TMUs. Each Larrabee X86 CPU core includes 4 SMT (hyper-threading).

@CryWin

AMD Radeon HD 4870's "1 TFlops" claim refers 32bit floats NOT 64bit floats.

From http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=54842

AMD Radeon HD 4870 was able to hit ~1 TFLops with SGEMM (32bit floats). For 64bit floats, refer to DGEMM benchmarks.

[QUOTE="dc337"]

[QUOTE="mirgamer"]Its really funny to see "hardcore HD consolites" thumb their noses at superior PC tech....and then they get back to squabbling for Graphics QUEEN(note) in multiple cyclical threads title and even ragging on the Wiis and the sheeps for their last gen graphics and casual gameplay (when they are as casual themselves lol).Hakkai007

The Witcher 2 would like to have a word with you.

[QUOTE="hd5870corei7"]

And people still think that next gen consoles will only do 1080p?!?!?!?

lundy86_4

Yep, because of the slow adoption to HDTV in general. Higher definition HDTV's aren't likely to take on for a while, I would think.

OT: I couldn't imagine playing at that insane rez :P

Wouldn't a human eye not even notice it getting better after a certain point?locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Wouldn't a human eye not even notice it getting better after a certain point?HuusAsking

I already posted that the human eye can theoretically see around 576,000,000 pixels

So would all the PC exclusives and multiplats that are better than their degraded console ports.ChubbyGuy40

And don't snub your nose at the latest GPUs. That's gonna be on consoles one day. PC will always do it best though.

ChubbyGuy40

I'll snub my nose at whatever I please. Consoles do not need pc gaming to stay alive, those same NVIDIA engineers could work directly for MS or Sony.

I'll also snub my nose at pc elitists who seem to be in denial of what pc gaming has become. I played Gothic 3, Gothic 4 is a joke, I'm not going to look at the current state of pc gaming and delude myself.

Console revenues would not be enough for NVIDIA or ATI (part of AMD).

STI engineers attempted to designed thier own GPU and failed i.e. initial PS3 design was a pure CELL box.

Console revenues would not be enough for NVIDIA or ATI (part of AMD).ronvalencia

[QUOTE="dc337"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

The Witcher 2 would like to have a word with you.

True_Gamer_

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]So would all the PC exclusives and multiplats that are better than their degraded console ports.dc337

And don't snub your nose at the latest GPUs. That's gonna be on consoles one day. PC will always do it best though.

ChubbyGuy40

I'll snub my nose at whatever I please. Consoles do not need pc gaming to stay alive, those same NVIDIA engineers could work directly for MS or Sony.

I'll also snub my nose at pc elitists who seem to be in denial of what pc gaming has become. I played Gothic 3, Gothic 4 is a joke, I'm not going to look at the current state of pc gaming and delude myself.

Lots of PC hate.

I could name a console game I didn't like then say that I don't like where console gaming is going.

PC gaming is booming and generates around 43% of gaming revenue.

Next in place is the Wii at only 24%.

Better graphics cards are always wanted.

You can increase the resolution, AA+AF and many more settings.

Also mention already was the Shogun 2 game..

We can also mod our games to update the graphics.

I already have a long list of games to play on the PC.

I am playing The Witcher at the moment.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="dc337"] And what word would that be? The occasional exclusive from Eastern Europe or Blizzard isn't what I would call a lot of action.

dc337

You really should learn the terminology "the exceptions are not the rule". Very few multiplats end up in the state GTA IV did, and there are plenty of times console versions of games are complete glitchy messes as well, Heck just today, look at New Vegas, the console versions scored a whole point lower than the PC because they were extremely more buggy than the PC version. I snub my nose at you. You are deluding yourself.

ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

You really should learn the terminology "the exceptions are not the rule". Very few multiplats end up in the state GTA IV did, and there are plenty of times console versions of games are complete glitchy messes as well, Heck just today, look at New Vegas, the console versions scored a whole point lower than the PC because they were extremely more buggy than the PC version. I snub my nose at you. You are deluding yourself.

dc337

But unlike you i actually do call it like i see it.

Resolutions don't mean anything if you don't have the GPU to render games at that resoution with acceptable framerates. The best cards in the market (ie. HD5970 & GTX480) can only render at 2560x1600 at max, and thats 1600p. So what good is a 2160p screen? And that's purely from a card restriction point of view. From a performance point of view, nothing less than a tripple HD5970 can get you 30fps at 2160p. Anybodywith a mere SLi, even with the best cards in the market...can go to hell. Screen resolutions must follow the technological pace of cards, or there's really no point.