30% of POWAH, or 100% of POWAH.....Which do you like to hear?

Whenever we hear devs talk about their ps3 exclusive, they always say that they use only 20% or 30% of its power of the cell.

AND

Whenever we hear devs talk about their 360 exclusive, they always say they are fully leveraging its power, or using all its power.

As gamers, which do you prefer to hear about your system of choice?

Whenever we hear devs talk about their 360 exclusive, they always say they are fully leveraging its power, or using all its power.

Awinagainov

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Whenever we hear devs talk about their 360 exclusive, they always say they are fully leveraging its power, or using all its power.

project343

judging by the fact that using more generally implies that it's not going to get much better later on (visuals, for example), I think using less sounds good.Hewkii

I stopped paying attention to dev claims when they repeat themselves with each gen of games. A dev will claim they are using 30% of a system at launch (with results that look like a high res port of a previous gen) and will make the same claim with a game towards the end of the lifecycle of the console with greater performance...how is that possible?!?!? All hype, no substance, let the games speak for themselves...thats my two cents.

Game On...

Well it depends. I want devs to do their best on a game. But if they say they're only using 30% and their game looks amazing, then I guess it's something to be excited about when devs finally start using all "teh powaz."

Which do you like to hear: Games running at 60fps or games struggling to run at 30fps?Xeratule

Needs MAXIMUM STRENGTH.Vandalvideo

Give me the chickens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Off topic, Why do you spell like the Kids Next Door? (subject)

On topic, I wouldn't really want to hear either right now.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]judging by the fact that using more generally implies that it's not going to get much better later on (visuals, for example), I think using less sounds good.Awinagainov

No, i think you are the one being naive. Lets assume your initial statement of cpu usage is correct: current PS3 games only use ~%30 of the systems total power while current 360 games use 100% of the systems power.

If they are already using 100% of the 360 power, then there is no way to make games get any better then they currently are. You can't any better than 100%. That would mean that 3-4 years from now, 360 games would still look exactly the same as they do now. Today would be as good as it gets.

If only 30% of the PS3 is being used currently, that would leave A LOT of room for improvement over the next couple of years. And seeing as how the 360 and PS3 are pretty close to being equal right now (i don't want to start a graphical comparison, so lets just assume they are close enough) that would mean that as the PS3 games kept improving, the would increasingly look better and better than 360 games (which could never get any better than they are right now).

Now no one really knows how much of each system's poweris really being used, but if your 30% and 100% numbers were taken literally, it would be VERY GOOD for the PS3 and VERY BAD for the 360.

His powah level is over 9000!!!!SpaceDragonMan

WHAT!? 9000!?!

its funny a dev says 30% of power, and then 100% of power yet games keep geting better on the 360...so much for that argument...

oh wait they said 100% in the ps2 days...but yet they towards the end made better and better games, you see thats the thing with General purpose processors processors built for gaming in mind, 100% and you can still eek out more.

who knows about the cell they might platau at like 80% and find they cant go any further because all other functions they can do have nothing to do with gaming.

Which do you like to hear: Games running at 60fps or games struggling to run at 30fps?Xeratule

Does it matter?

Tone down the textures, lighting, Effects, resolution etc and you can run anything at 1080p @60FPS.

Which do you like to hear: Games running at 60fps or games struggling to run at 30fps?Xeratule

i want games running at 120fps! :)

[QUOTE="SpaceDragonMan"]His powah level is over 9000!!!!Private_Vegas

WHAT!? 9000!?!

Nine-thousaaaaaaaaaand!

Erm, I'd hope devs are always using 100% in every single game. Saying "well, we're using about 30%" sounds like rubbish for me, and usually means one of two things:

The more common "well... um, we didn't really know how to use our resources, and some of them we kinda ignored", or the equivalent "well, we maxed the parts of the system we need to use, but some stuff we didn't really need and thus the 'potential' is not yet tapped", or the less common but always probable "we don't care enough to push the limits with our game".

All games, every single one, should tap the system's power to 100%. This does not mean that every game will "max out" the system in the sense people usually think: Further improvements in graphics, ai and content are possible through optimization and new coding techniques.

Erm, I'd hope devs are always using 100% in every single game. Saying "well, we're using about 30%" sounds like rubbish for me, and usually means one of two things:

The more common "well... um, we didn't really know how to use our resources, and some of them we kinda ignored", or the equivalent "well, we maxed the parts of the system we need to use, but some stuff we didn't really need and thus the 'potential' is not yet tapped", or the less common but always probable "we don't care enough to push the limits with our game".

All games, every single one, should tap the system's power to 100%. This does not mean that every game will "max out" the system in the sense people usually think: Further improvements in graphics, ai and content are possible through optimization and new coding techniques.

Grive

NO. If you are able to further improve graphics, ai, and other optimizations and can otherwise get more out of the same hardware than you did previously THEN YOU ARE NOT USING 100% OF THE SYSTEM. Only at the point where you cannot improve any further at all are you truely at 100%. If they were at or even near 100% of system power then the games would not be able to improve any further.

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Erm, I'd hope devs are always using 100% in every single game. Saying "well, we're using about 30%" sounds like rubbish for me, and usually means one of two things:

The more common "well... um, we didn't really know how to use our resources, and some of them we kinda ignored", or the equivalent "well, we maxed the parts of the system we need to use, but some stuff we didn't really need and thus the 'potential' is not yet tapped", or the less common but always probable "we don't care enough to push the limits with our game".

All games, every single one, should tap the system's power to 100%. This does not mean that every game will "max out" the system in the sense people usually think: Further improvements in graphics, ai and content are possible through optimization and new coding techniques.

jj42883

NO. If you are able to further improve graphics, ai, and other optimizations and can otherwise get more out of the same hardware than you did previously THEN YOU ARE NOT USING 100% OF THE SYSTEM. Only at the point where you cannot improve any further at all are you truely at 100%. If they were at or even near 100% of system power then the games would not be able to improve any further.

[QUOTE="jj42883"][QUOTE="Grive"]

Erm, I'd hope devs are always using 100% in every single game. Saying "well, we're using about 30%" sounds like rubbish for me, and usually means one of two things:

The more common "well... um, we didn't really know how to use our resources, and some of them we kinda ignored", or the equivalent "well, we maxed the parts of the system we need to use, but some stuff we didn't really need and thus the 'potential' is not yet tapped", or the less common but always probable "we don't care enough to push the limits with our game".

All games, every single one, should tap the system's power to 100%. This does not mean that every game will "max out" the system in the sense people usually think: Further improvements in graphics, ai and content are possible through optimization and new coding techniques.

Huff

NO. If you are able to further improve graphics, ai, and other optimizations and can otherwise get more out of the same hardware than you did previously THEN YOU ARE NOT USING 100% OF THE SYSTEM. Only at the point where you cannot improve any further at all are you truely at 100%. If they were at or even near 100% of system power then the games would not be able to improve any further.

NO. If you are able to further improve graphics, ai, and other optimizations and can otherwise get more out of the same hardware than you did previously THEN YOU ARE NOT USING 100% OF THE SYSTEM. Only at the point where you cannot improve any further at all are you truely at 100%. If they were at or even near 100% of system power then the games would not be able to improve any further.

jj42883

Wrong.

Using 100% of a system only implies filling up the RAM, using all the fillrate, or consuming all processing cycles, whichever is the bottleneck. It's the only definition with a iota of sense.

Further improvement will not improve the utilization rate of a system, but it's efficiency. You can always top a system with poor coding.

However, if you wish to use your own subjective definition, I challenge you to give me a formula for system utilization based on coding efficiency, without making use of any information of the future. This is, tell a formula that would give me exactly what percentage of the system's potential is, say, uncharted using, or Halo 3, or Metroid Prime 3.

I'm not asking specific values, just the formula... or an approximation of it.

If you simply have no idea of how you should go about this problem, then you'll know why you're wrong.