343 Studios cannot match Bungie.

Now before you flame me big time, I know Bungie went at a slow decline ever since Halo CE. But Reach was good so atleast kept their name pretty solid. But I don't like the way 343 Studios is going with Halo 4. Instead of trying to make Halo a story based game why can't they improve on other things? Now to go further into what I meant by story, to me Halo was never supposed to be all to story based. I mean I enjoyed the cut-scenes from time to time but I ALWAYS loved the isolated feeling of relying on yourself to thwart this giant enemy force. Maybe that's just me but that's not what made the best Halo games good(Halo CE and Reach)

I think what Reach and the original Halo had the best was simple: Mechanics. You can talk about graphics, environment and all the other shabazz but what it comes down to for me is the way everything works or basically the mechanics. I really wanna see 343 Studios to make some great mechanics or atleast try. They could bring back the crazy strong pistol from Halo CE or even the beastly shotgun that blew everything away. Or the assault rifle. That thing hasn't been powerful since the first game.

Idk I feel as though adding story and all this other Jazz will just take away the classic feel of Halo, but regardless, I really cannot see 343 Studios matching the mechanics of Halo CE such as: Gun play, Jumping, Melee, etc.

But don't get me wrong, I'm hopeful that they can pull off making a good Halo game but it's just really unlikely to me.

What do the people of System Wars think?

There is a chance they will mess it up.

However as the team is new there is a good possibility that they will have new ideas and breath new life into halo.

....um....so you cannot see 343 a studio comprised of people from bungie whom worked on halo ce match halo ce when halo 2, halo 3...etc didn't match halo CE which was made by bungie themselves...

....um....so you cannot see 343 a studio comprised of people from bungie whom worked on halo ce match halo ce when halo 2, halo 3...etc didn't match halo CE which was made by bungie themselves...

WilliamRLBaker

Yeah. With your logic Rare should still be making some good games. Since they still have people who made their actually good games. But they aren't.

LOL if they can't even match the previous halos (aka crap) then the 360 is even more worse off than I though.themajormayor

Well sir, what is your definition of crap?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]LOL if they can't even match the previous halos (aka crap) then the 360 is even more worse off than I though.mariokart97

Well sir, what is your definition of crap?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

....um....so you cannot see 343 a studio comprised of people from bungie whom worked on halo ce match halo ce when halo 2, halo 3...etc didn't match halo CE which was made by bungie themselves...

mariokart97

Yeah. With your logic Rare should still be making some good games. Since they still have people who made their actually good games. But they aren't.

....um....so you cannot see 343 a studio comprised of people from bungie whom worked on halo ce match halo ce when halo 2, halo 3...etc didn't match halo CE which was made by bungie themselves...

WilliamRLBaker

Here is a list of some of the talent at 343 Industries: Frank O"Connor-ex Bungie dev

Sotaro Tojima-Composer for Metal Gear Solid 4

Armando Troisi- Lead Cinematic Designer of the Mass Effect franchise Bioware

Kynan Pearson-Senior Designer on Metroid Prime 2&3 Retro Studios

Jason Behr-Lead Level Designer on Metroid Prime Retro Studios

Ray Almaden-Guerrilla Games lead designer Vic DeLeon-Bungie Senior Environment

Artist Jesse Snyder-Lead Designer on COD World at War,Senior Designer on COD 2 &3

Gavin Carter-Lead Producer Fallout3 and Technical Producer TES:Oblivion CJ

Markham-Rockstar Lead Animator,GTA4,Red Dead Redemption,LA Noire,Max Payne 3

Chris Haluke-Guerrilla Games Lead Designer,Killzone 3 Lead Level Designer,Level Designer for Assassins Creed,and Splinter Cell Chaos Theory

Mike Murrill-Naughty Dog Background/Environment Artist Uncharted 2

Tim Diaz-Environment Artist God of War 3

Sally Huang-Bethesda TES:Oblivion

Ryan Peterson-Environment Artist Sony Santa Monica God of War 3

Chad Armstrong-Bungie Multiplayer Designer

John Flath-Vigil Games Senior Environment Artist Darksiders 1 & 2

Andrew Bosold-3D Environment Artist Sucker Punch Infamous 2

Wade Mulhern-Sony Santa Monica Visual Effects Artist & Cinematic Environment Artist on God of War 2,and Environment Artist on God of War 3

Gustavo Rasche-Lead Environment Artist Sony Santa Monica God of War

Shen-Ming Spurgeon-Visual FX Artist Sucker Punch Infamous and Treyarch Black Ops Brian Goodrich-Art Lead Turn 10

Will Christiansen-Bungie Animator Halo Reach

Patrick Gillette-Bungie Animator Chris Hands-Sony Santa Monica Cinematic Environment Artist God of War3

Nicolas Bouvier-Concept Artist for Prince of Persia:Warrior Within,Assassins Creed,and Rage Paul Pepera-Environment Artist Id DOOM4

Tom Scholes-Concept Artist ArenaNet Guild Wars 2

Neil Davidge-Composer Massive Attack

Greg Snook-Bungie Animation Programmer Halo 2,Halo 3,Gears of War 2

Marcellis Wentz-SuckerPunch animator Infamous 1 and Infamous 2

Kathy Gehrig- Valve Associate Producer

Looks good to me

The game is still half a year away. How do you know what they can do?

The classic feel of Halo ceased to exist in Halo 3, so I don't know what you're going on about. Bungie lost their way in Halo 3. They regained some momentum with Reach, but come on, it wasn't up to par with 1 and 2. Bungie is to blame for running this series into the ground. Spellingiscool

Here is why people have faith in the team at 343....

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

....um....so you cannot see 343 a studio comprised of people from bungie whom worked on halo ce match halo ce when halo 2, halo 3...etc didn't match halo CE which was made by bungie themselves...

AcidSoldner

There are currently 13 ex bungie staffers at 343. O'connor Armstrong DeLeon Burns Snook Yorke Carlos N Gillette Hall Christiansen Taylor Eric K

so yes a good bit of talent or experience came from people that worked on the halo franchise before bungie left, does it mean the entire studio is made up of bungie talent? nope no one ever said that I simply said that a studio comprised of bungie. Comprised doesn't "always" mean the whole of a thing infact its first definition is to include something.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

....um....so you cannot see 343 a studio comprised of people from bungie whom worked on halo ce match halo ce when halo 2, halo 3...etc didn't match halo CE which was made by bungie themselves...

WilliamRLBaker

Yeah. With your logic Rare should still be making some good games. Since they still have people who made their actually good games. But they aren't.

I loved Kameo and Banjo Kazooie Nuts n' Bolts but that's the only quality games they've made. How can you even count XBL games that were released on the freaking N64? That's just a port, so no they don't get credit. And about Halo's story, I'm talking about the story based on gameplay only. I don't read any of the novels so maybe there is more story than I know about, but based on what the game tells you and what your play, there is not a lot to be offered. And I'm not saying it's negative, it just adds an exploration factor. And when I say 343 can't match bungie I mean at their highlight( Halo CE) which is why I mentioned their decline.

The guys at 343 are the ones that wanted to keep making Halo. They'll do better than Bungie has in the past few installments based on the fact that the other Bungie guys lost interest.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="mariokart97"]

Yeah. With your logic Rare should still be making some good games. Since they still have people who made their actually good games. But they aren't.

mariokart97

I loved Kameo and Banjo Kazooie Nuts n' Bolts but that's the only quality games they've made. How can you even count XBL games that were released on the freaking N64? That's just a port, so no they don't get credit. And about Halo's story, I'm talking about the story based on gameplay only. I don't read any of the novels so maybe there is more story than I know about, but based on what the game tells you and what your play, there is not a lot to be offered. And I'm not saying it's negative, it just adds an exploration factor. And when I say 343 can't match bungie I mean at their highlight( Halo CE) which is why I mentioned their decline.

There is a chance they will mess it up.

However as the team is new there is a good possibility that they will have new ideas and breath new life into halo.

tenaka2

That is a fallacious argument. You have not played the game and do not know if it is the same, worse or better than the previous game.Zeviander

Obviously not, but when a new developer who decides to make local multiplayer require Xbox Live then sorry but I start to get a little worried.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] And who says they don't make good games? just because you don't like them doesn't mean they suck, Seems to me that the games made by rare and released on the 360 have generally been accepted receiving usually 8/10 on most sites and generally all sold well. As I said just because you dont like the 2 kinect games they've produced, hell even the XBLA games *are you actually claiming the banjo kazooie remasters were bad?* and no that wasn't my logic, your logic is that halo games after CE haven't been as good as halo CE so therefor bungie themselves couldn't match halo CE, you ignore this and say 343 cannot match bungie because they cannot match halo and you LITERALLY give no reason as to why you make a blathering statement about cutscenes, and story...etc when you've not a seen a single story based bit of information beyond the lightest and you aren't qualified in that light to make opinion based decisions yet.WilliamRLBaker

I loved Kameo and Banjo Kazooie Nuts n' Bolts but that's the only quality games they've made. How can you even count XBL games that were released on the freaking N64? That's just a port, so no they don't get credit. And about Halo's story, I'm talking about the story based on gameplay only. I don't read any of the novels so maybe there is more story than I know about, but based on what the game tells you and what your play, there is not a lot to be offered. And I'm not saying it's negative, it just adds an exploration factor. And when I say 343 can't match bungie I mean at their highlight( Halo CE) which is why I mentioned their decline.

I'm simply talking about like concept, I'm sure they had to do a lot of programming but they didn't actually make a new game so therefore it really can't be counted as much as a new title ya know?

Like you said, not even Bungie cound match Bungie. Halo CE is by far the best Halo game and only Halo 3 came close.

I think we should wait and see. 343 seem to have very talented individuals.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]That is a fallacious argument. You have not played the game and do not know if it is the same, worse or better than the previous game.mariokart97

Obviously not, but when a new developer who decides to make local multiplayer require Xbox Live then sorry but I start to get a little worried.

UHHH LOCAL multiplayer does not require xbox live. Thats why its called local.

The guys at 343 are the ones that wanted to keep making Halo. They'll do better than Bungie has in the past few installments based on the fact that the other Bungie guys lost interest.

Phoenix534

[QUOTE="mariokart97"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]That is a fallacious argument. You have not played the game and do not know if it is the same, worse or better than the previous game.Da_Koolio_Gamer

Obviously not, but when a new developer who decides to make local multiplayer require Xbox Live then sorry but I start to get a little worried.

UHHH LOCAL multiplayer does not require xbox live. Thats why its called local.

My mistake but all of the interesting new additions like Spartan Ops will require it, and that's the only good thing being added.

What's there to match? Anyone could do a better job developing a substandard FPS like Halo.

....um....so you cannot see 343 a studio comprised of people from bungie whom worked on halo ce match halo ce when halo 2, halo 3...etc didn't match halo CE which was made by bungie themselves...

WilliamRLBaker

lol

is there a way to block avatars?

Obviously not, but when a new developer who decides to make local multiplayer require Xbox Live then sorry but I start to get a little worried. mariokart97

I have not been impressed much by Bungie. I think they are a pretty lackluster developer. In my opinion the best work they have done with the series since the original is ODST. Which had a much better campaign than previous games in the series and created a way of telling the story that was interesting. I think 343 is exactly what this series needs right now.

343 has a very diverse team that has worked on many great games. I'd even say better games than Bungie have made, with better teams than Bungie. So I am more optimistic for this entry in the series than any previous entry.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]LOL if they can't even match the previous halos (aka crap) then the 360 is even more worse off than I though.mariokart97

Well sir, what is your definition of crap?

Now before you flame me big time, I know Bungie went at a slow decline ever since Halo CE. But Reach was good so atleast kept their name pretty solid. But I don't like the way 343 Studios is going with Halo 4. Instead of trying to make Halo a story based game why can't they improve on other things? Now to go further into what I meant by story, to me Halo was never supposed to be all to story based. I mean I enjoyed the cut-scenes from time to time but I ALWAYS loved the isolated feeling of relying on yourself to thwart this giant enemy force. Maybe that's just me but that's not what made the best Halo games good(Halo CE and Reach)

I think what Reach and the original Halo had the best was simple: Mechanics. You can talk about graphics, environment and all the other shabazz but what it comes down to for me is the way everything works or basically the mechanics. I really wanna see 343 Studios to make some great mechanics or atleast try. They could bring back the crazy strong pistol from Halo CE or even the beastly shotgun that blew everything away. Or the assault rifle. That thing hasn't been powerful since the first game.

Idk I feel as though adding story and all this other Jazz will just take away the classic feel of Halo, but regardless, I really cannot see 343 Studios matching the mechanics of Halo CE such as: Gun play, Jumping, Melee, etc.

But don't get me wrong, I'm hopeful that they can pull off making a good Halo game but it's just really unlikely to me.

What do the people of System Wars think?

mariokart97

I stopped caring about what you said right there. You do know that Halo: CE is generally considered to have the best story right? and that MP was a last minute addition for it?

You couldn't be more wrong. Halo has ALWAYS been a story-based game, it just happens to have evolved into one of the best MP suites as well.

If you're saying that 343 studios can't match halo CE then i would have to agree with you because halo CE was the best halo overall, and its been made once and hasn't been topped since not even with the anniversary addition, which wasn't as good as the original in my opinion.supernes93

[QUOTE="supernes93"] If you're saying that 343 studios can't match halo CE then i would have to agree with you because halo CE was the best halo overall, and its been made once and hasn't been topped since not even with the anniversary addition, which wasn't as good as the original in my opinion.themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="supernes93"] If you're saying that 343 studios can't match halo CE then i would have to agree with you because halo CE was the best halo overall, and its been made once and hasn't been topped since not even with the anniversary addition, which wasn't as good as the original in my opinion.Ninja-Hippo