360 = American car design = failure

As a Cow I am disgraced by this thread

u fail

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this is what SW is coming to? i fear for the future ladies and gents

and its expensive, with an E, not expansive

I understand what you are trying to pull off here, but the execution needs more thought put into it.

Does "built Ford tough" mean anything to you, TC? :PLab392

Touche :)

does ''Like a Rock'' ring any bells?

Did you notice how the consoles look like the cars ? The PS3 is the most expansive (well the less expansive because you don't pay for online) and is japanese like the Toyota brand. PS3 and Toyota is a great success, great quality that last for long and never ever dissapoint you. 360 is like Ford and GM: cheaper cost, but breaks all the time and none of their products are in the 10 best car of the year anymore.cramoisi

i think not.

[QUOTE="cramoisi"]Did you notice how the consoles look like the cars ? The PS3 is the most expansive (well the less expansive because you don't pay for online) and is japanese like the Toyota brand. PS3 and Toyota is a great success, great quality that last for long and never ever dissapoint you. 360 is like Ford and GM: cheaper cost, but breaks all the time and none of their products are in the 10 best car of the year anymore.marklarmer

i think not.

Toyota cars are some of the most reliable cars in the world. Check the Toyota Hilux for an example.

This is a poor attempt at discerning the 360's commercial success through making a parallel with the car industry.

Fail.

This is a poor attempt at discerning the 360's commercial success through making a parallel with the car industry.

Fail.

The_Ish

I suppose second place is fine with MS as with the US automobile industry. :lol:

I suppose second place is fine with MS as with the US automobile industry. :lol:

Hoobinator

Who said MS was in second place? And who said it would be fine if they were?

I can only see that your responses are that of a troll. I hope not.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

I suppose second place is fine with MS as with the US automobile industry. :lol:

The_Ish

Who said MS was in second place?

The millions and million who are buying the Wii. Right now it is a fight of second place for MS and Sony.

The millions and million who are buying the Wii. Right now it is a fight of second place for MS and Sony.

Chaos_HL21

And how many people actually play them on a regular basis? Because by your logic, the PC has already won.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

The millions and million who are buying the Wii. Right now it is a fight of second place for MS and Sony.

The_Ish

And how many people actually play them on a regular basis? Because by your logic, the PC has already won.

Not sure, but I seen the Wii games start to sell on the 10 ten of the NPD. But in the war between the Wii, 360, and PS3. It is a fight for second place in hardware sales.

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

[QUOTE="cramoisi"]Did you notice how the consoles look like the cars ? The PS3 is the most expansive (well the less expansive because you don't pay for online) and is japanese like the Toyota brand. PS3 and Toyota is a great success, great quality that last for long and never ever dissapoint you. 360 is like Ford and GM: cheaper cost, but breaks all the time and none of their products are in the 10 best car of the year anymore.Hoobinator

i think not.

Toyota cars are some of the most reliable cars in the world. Check the Toyota Hilux for an example.

Agreed,Japanese cars put the Americans and Germans to shame in terms of reliability.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

[QUOTE="cramoisi"]Did you notice how the consoles look like the cars ? The PS3 is the most expansive (well the less expansive because you don't pay for online) and is japanese like the Toyota brand. PS3 and Toyota is a great success, great quality that last for long and never ever dissapoint you. 360 is like Ford and GM: cheaper cost, but breaks all the time and none of their products are in the 10 best car of the year anymore.stvee101

i think not.

Toyota cars are some of the most reliable cars in the world. Check the Toyota Hilux for an example.

Agreed,Japanese cars put the Americans and Germans to shame in terms of reliability.

dude, BMW is popular because it's reliability, the German army used BMW engines in the 2nd world war.

and we all know that German engineered is superior

Agreed,Japanese cars put the Americans and Germans to shame in terms of reliability.

stvee101

Certainly american cars, but german? Why do you think they always make fun of german car companies on top gear by pointing out how "ze seat belts are made with precision and efficiency!!!"

Fords are amongst the most reliable cars on earth right now. :|Ninja-Vox

Did you notice how the consoles look like the cars ? The PS3 is the most expansive (well the less expansive because you don't pay for online) and is japanese like the Toyota brand. PS3 and Toyota is a great success, great quality that last for long and never ever dissapoint you. 360 is like Ford and GM: cheaper cost, but breaks all the time and none of their products are in the 10 best car of the year anymore.cramoisi

I doubt even Ford and GM dare produce a product that has a 16% failure rate.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Fords are amongst the most reliable cars on earth right now. :|-D3MO-

If you're going to tell me Ford's cars are unreliable, i can only assume you know nothing about cars. Unless you're talking about 1980s Ford sedans; but hell, name a reliable car from that decade made by any company.

They recently beat Nissan and are on par with Toyota in reliability. Google it! 41/44 Fords were recommended to the public, and Ford and Honda, as of today, were ranked the safest auto manufacturers in America with the most 5 star crashes in their vehicles. Google that too!

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Fords are amongst the most reliable cars on earth right now. :|Ninja-Vox

If you're going to tell me Ford's cars are unreliable, i can only assume you know nothing about cars. Unless you're talking about 1980s Ford sedans; but hell, name a reliable car from that decade made by any company.

They recently beat Nissan and are on par with Toyota in reliability. Google it! 41/44 Fords were reccomened to the public, and Ford and Honda, as of today, were ranked the safest auto manufacturers in America with the most 5 star crashes in their vehicles. Google that too!

There are some pretty lame analogies floating around System Wars today.

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Fords are amongst the most reliable cars on earth right now. :|Ninja-Vox

If you're going to tell me Ford's cars are unreliable, i can only assume you know nothing about cars. Unless you're talking about 1980s Ford sedans; but hell, name a reliable car from that decade made by any company.

They recently beat Nissan and are on par with Toyota in reliability. Google it! 41/44 Fords were recommended to the public, and Ford and Honda, as of today, were ranked the safest auto manufacturers in America with the most 5 star crashes in their vehicles. Google that too!

This is one of those things where I (maybe foolishly) rely on anecdotal evidence.

All these magazines and Consumer Report guides are owned by American companies. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if American car manufacturers slip these companies side money to boost their products' ratings.

I've driven American cars at the local Hertz, Avis, etc... I would never say unreliable but they are noisy, feel cheaply made, in essence, they feel like toys more than real vehicles.

I've only purchased Japanese and German cars now for the past two decades. (With a careful eye to ensure that even though they are Japanese/German brands, that the model itself isn't built in an American plant)

360 is like Ford and GM: cheaper cost, but breaks all the time and none of their products are in the 10 best car of the year anymore.cramoisi

Would it have killed you to do some research before posting?

[QUOTE="cramoisi"]360 is like Ford and GM: cheaper cost, but breaks all the time and none of their products are in the 10 best car of the year anymore.lowe0

Would it have killed you to do some research before posting?

Car&Driver, Motor Trend. Those wouldn't happen to be American publications would they?

Can't trust a word they say.

Especially if they are touting the Malibu as a Top 10 vehicle. I mean, seriously, has anyone ever really driven a Malibu? I'd actually consider biking to work instead.

This is one of those things where I (maybe foolishly) rely on anecdotal evidence.

All these magazines and Consumer Report guides are owned by American companies. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if American car manufacturers slip these companies side money to boost their products' ratings.

I've driven American cars at the local Hertz, Avis, etc... I would never say unreliable but they are noisy, feel cheaply made, in essence, they feel like toys more than real vehicles.

I've only purchased Japanese and German cars now for the past two decades. (With a careful eye to ensure that even though they are Japanese/German brands, that the model itself isn't built in an American plant)

BoToXfAcE

Bottom of the range Fords are indeed put together poorly, as everything is made of plastic and is generally clip-on as opposed to screwed or bolted down. That's what you get for your money though; you are buying the cheapest possible option.

In terms of reliability however, buying a brand new Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo or other Ford staple car will very, very rarely turn out to be a bad investment for you. Stuff like the mustang isn't a good thing to discuss in terms of reliability, as it isn't an epic mass production car, and like all performance cars, is obviously more likely to break down as it isn't meant for the roads. You can buy a brand new TVR tuscan for crazy amounts of money, and they're the least reliable cars imaginable. Even Clarkson's Murcielago broke down after two months on british roads, and Ferrari dealers advise you not to take them on motorways.

In terms of simple, every-day cars - the ones which companies rely on to make money - Ford is incredibly reliable.

This will smoke a american car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trxnkEIsoLc

Car&Driver, Motor Trend. Those wouldn't happen to be American publications would they?

Can't trust a word they say.

Especially if they are touting the Malibu as a Top 10 vehicle. I mean, seriously, has anyone ever really driven a Malibu? I'd actually consider biking to work instead.

BoToXfAcE

Please dont play the "bias" card. It's just illogical. If you recommend to all of your readers that a certain car is super reliable, they then buy it and find that it fails horribly, they stop buying your magazine. Your company fails. Simple.

Car&Driver, Motor Trend. Those wouldn't happen to be American publications would they?

Can't trust a word they say.

Especially if they are touting the Malibu as a Top 10 vehicle. I mean, seriously, has anyone ever really driven a Malibu? I'd actually consider biking to work instead.

BoToXfAcE

[QUOTE="BoToXfAcE"]

Car&Driver, Motor Trend. Those wouldn't happen to be American publications would they?

Can't trust a word they say.

Especially if they are touting the Malibu as a Top 10 vehicle. I mean, seriously, has anyone ever really driven a Malibu? I'd actually consider biking to work instead.

Ninja-Vox

Please dont play the "bias" card. It's just illogical. If you recommend to all of your readers that a certain car is super reliable, they then buy it and find that it fails horribly, they stop buying your magazine. Your company fails. Simple.

Logic doesn't compute here.

Most readers don't get their car recommendations from a magazine. They read about new cars, they see a couple of reviews, you could sport a Top 10 with bottom line American cars and people would still buy the magazine because they are car enthusiasts.

[QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

[QUOTE="cramoisi"]Did you notice how the consoles look like the cars ? The PS3 is the most expansive (well the less expansive because you don't pay for online) and is japanese like the Toyota brand. PS3 and Toyota is a great success, great quality that last for long and never ever dissapoint you. 360 is like Ford and GM: cheaper cost, but breaks all the time and none of their products are in the 10 best car of the year anymore.whoody12

i think not.

Toyota cars are some of the most reliable cars in the world. Check the Toyota Hilux for an example.

Agreed,Japanese cars put the Americans and Germans to shame in terms of reliability.

dude, BMW is popular because it's reliability, the German army used BMW engines in the 2nd world war.

and we all know that German engineered is superior

the germans lost ww2 partly because their tanks were unreliable and constant maintenance would cripple their combat force.

the Tiger2 for example, was a 70ton tank and kept breaking down because the engine couldnt handle the weight.

I'm just saying, ww2 is not the best example to give in an argument about german engineering reliability.

[QUOTE="BoToXfAcE"]

Car&Driver, Motor Trend. Those wouldn't happen to be American publications would they?

Can't trust a word they say.

Especially if they are touting the Malibu as a Top 10 vehicle. I mean, seriously, has anyone ever really driven a Malibu? I'd actually consider biking to work instead.

lowe0

I actually have. It is NOT a top 10 vehicle. Not even in its price range.

Logic doesn't compute here.

Most readers don't get their car recommendations from a magazine. They read about new cars, they see a couple of reviews, you could sport a Top 10 with bottom line American cars and people would still buy the magazine because they are car enthusiasts.

BoToXfAcE

Right. Car enthusiasts who cant tell that the cars being touted as reliable are actually rubbish? :|

[QUOTE="BoToXfAcE"]

Logic doesn't compute here.

Most readers don't get their car recommendations from a magazine. They read about new cars, they see a couple of reviews, you could sport a Top 10 with bottom line American cars and people would still buy the magazine because they are car enthusiasts.

Ninja-Vox

Right. Car enthusiasts who cant tell that the cars being touted as reliable are actually rubbish? :|

They're not buying those cars based on those recommendations. So why would they care if they're actually reliable or not?

Wouldn't impact magazine sales one bit.

They're not buying those cars based on those recommendations. So why would they care if they're actually reliable or not?

Wouldn't impact magazine sales one bit.

BoToXfAcE

If i bought a videogame magazine, and said magazine had a top 10 list of awful games which it claimed were actually great games, i would cease purchasing said magazine.

Common sense.

[QUOTE="BoToXfAcE"]

They're not buying those cars based on those recommendations. So why would they care if they're actually reliable or not?

Wouldn't impact magazine sales one bit.

Ninja-Vox

If i bought a videogame magazine, and said magazine had a top 10 list of awful games which it claimed were actually great games, i would cease purchasing said magazine.

Common sense.

And the flip side is, the magazine might not care if the video game companies were slipping them money on the side to hawk their products. Or conversely, if the car manufacturers were slipping them money to in essence, advertise their vehicles.

It's a business whether we're talking about cars, games, or magazines. Hard to say no to money.

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

Agreed,Japanese cars put the Americans and Germans to shame in terms of reliability.

Ninja-Vox

Certainly american cars, but german? Why do you think they always make fun of german car companies on top gear by pointing out how "ze seat belts are made with precision and efficiency!!!"

Trust me,look at any league table on car reliability and the Japanese smoke the competition,and that includes ze Germans.I'm not saying German cars are unreliable,I have VW and its a great car,but the Japanese are better.

[QUOTE="Lab392"]Does "built Ford tough" mean anything to you, TC? :PSmyttyGuy94

Touche :)

does ''Like a Rock'' ring any bells?

ford sucks.

Did you notice how the consoles look like the cars ? The PS3 is the most expansive (well the less expansive because you don't pay for online) and is japanese like the Toyota brand. PS3 and Toyota is a great success, great quality that last for long and never ever dissapoint you. 360 is like Ford and GM: cheaper cost, but breaks all the time and none of their products are in the 10 best car of the year anymore.cramoisi

Wow, PS3 is expensive and Toyota is also expensive? Since when? I mean, compared to a Ferrari or a Jaguar, Toyota prices are nothing.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

The millions and million who are buying the Wii. Right now it is a fight of second place for MS and Sony.

The_Ish

And how many people actually play them on a regular basis? Because by your logic, the PC has already won.