360 and PS3 are just more of the same

NES (revolutionary) -> SNES (graphics upgrade) -> N64 (revolutionary) -> Cube (graphics upgrade) -> Wii (revolutionary)

now lets look at the Playstations...

PS1 (neither) -> PS2 (graphical upgrade) -> PS3 (graphical upgrade again????)

and Xboxes...

Xbox1 (graphical upgrade) -> Xbox360 (graphical upgrade again????)

and Sega...

Genesis (graphical upgrade) -> Saturn (graphical upgrade again) -> Dreamcast (graphical upgrade yet again) 

My point: You can't really have two graphical upgrades in a row without also being revolutionary. Sega learned this the hard way. Lems and Cows, what really is new about the 360 and PS3? Sure, the graphics rock, but what's NEW about the systems? What new thing are they bringing to the table? ....nothing.

What was revolutionary about the N64?ramey70

[QUOTE="ramey70"]What was revolutionary about the N64?Kook18

[QUOTE="Kook18"][QUOTE="ramey70"]What was revolutionary about the N64?ramey70

As long as the games are fun, i'm not going to nitpick.

What was revolutionary about the N64?ramey70

What was revolutionary about the N64?ramey70

Though it didn't invent 3D for consoles, it brought it into the mainstream.  Early PS1 games were split between 2D and 3D until the arrival of the N64.  Also, the N64 introduced the joysticks on controllers, which the PS1 had to implement to stay in the game.  Also the N64 was the first to have 4 controller ports or up to 4 players- a standard feature today. 

NES (revolutionary) -> SNES (graphics upgrade) -> N64 (revolutionary) -> Cube (graphics upgrade) -> Wii (revolutionary)

now lets look at the Playstations...

PS1 (neither) -> PS2 (graphical upgrade) -> PS3 (graphical upgrade again????)

and Xboxes...

Xbox1 (graphical upgrade) -> Xbox360 (graphical upgrade again????)

and Sega...

Genesis (graphical upgrade) -> Saturn (graphical upgrade again) -> Dreamcast (graphical upgrade yet again)

My point: You can't really have two graphical upgrades in a row without also being revolutionary. Sega learned this the hard way. Lems and Cows, what really is new about the 360 and PS3? Sure, the graphics rock, but what's NEW about the systems? What new thing are they bringing to the table? ....nothing.

OceanLeet

[QUOTE="ramey70"]What was revolutionary about the N64?OhhSnap50893

N64 was a rethink on 3d gaming by means of it's controller.  Don't know how many of you were old enough to remember the press surrounding the N64, but it was it's controller that garnered all the attention.  Much to do about the middle handle stick thingy (that's a tech term).  Prior to that it was just directional pads and buttons.  Later the whole "Z Targeting" thing occured, but that was more to do with Zelda. 

 I agree with your basic analysis of graphical updating.  But I fail to see where that affects negatively the PS3 or 360.  Innovation is fine, where it is needed.  But Innovation doesn't always produce positive outcomes.  Not that the Wii hasn't.  For instance:  I like pizza.  I think it is great.  Pepperoni is my favorite.  Occassionally the Big Pizza Chain offers new pizza styles like cheeze filled crust or super pan bar-b-q syle, or maybe one with a gameboy baked into the dough.  For some that might be great and they might be totally sick of just regular popperoni pizza and it might be just what they need.  For me, I still like pepperoni. 

 My point is, I'm fine with the wireless controler interface with the game.  Don't need motion control of any kind.  In fact it is a total turn off for me.  It is good the Wii offers it for those looking for something different.  But I don't think it is going to revolutionize gaming or move the controller style towards the Wiimote.  The 360/Ps3/Old Nintendo configuration will be around for a long time to come.

All of the movies coming out this year are more of the same too.  Good thing I'm still excited to see some of them.

What's your point?

All of the movies coming out this year are more of the same too. Good thing I'm still excited to see some of them.

What's your point?

cheezisgoooood

Yeah and theatre sales are at record lows.  I myself only go once or twice a year now. 

[QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]

All of the movies coming out this year are more of the same too. Good thing I'm still excited to see some of them.

What's your point?

OceanLeet

Yeah and theatre sales are at record lows.  I myself only go once or twice a year now. 

Ever heard of pirating?

Going by the logic that things like having 4 controller ports are 'revolutionary', how is the PS1 using Disk-based media not revolutionary? Look what happened next.... no more cartridges :P
I'm partly kidding, but my point is saying that these changes in one system were 'revolutionary' and ignoring any changes other consoles made is well.... take your fanboy goggles off. The only one I'd consider 'revolutionary' is maybe the Wii, but it's a little early yet to see any future impact it will have on gaming.jwmakoto

I put the PS1 as neither because it wasn't a massive graphic upgrade nor was it overall revolutionary.  Sure, it had discs, but so did the Saturn at about the same time.  That alone isn't enough to attain revolutionary status.  However, the PS1 was indeed a damn great console. 

[QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]

All of the movies coming out this year are more of the same too. Good thing I'm still excited to see some of them.

What's your point?

OceanLeet

Yeah and theatre sales are at record lows. I myself only go once or twice a year now.

It's no coincidence then that DVD, digital downloads, and on demand movie purchases have gone WAY up. 

[QUOTE="OceanLeet"]

NES (revolutionary) -> SNES (graphics upgrade) -> N64 (revolutionary) -> Cube (graphics upgrade) -> Wii (revolutionary)

now lets look at the Playstations...

PS1 (neither) -> PS2 (graphical upgrade) -> PS3 (graphical upgrade again????)

and Xboxes...

Xbox1 (graphical upgrade) -> Xbox360 (graphical upgrade again????)

and Sega...

Genesis (graphical upgrade) -> Saturn (graphical upgrade again) -> Dreamcast (graphical upgrade yet again)

My point: You can't really have two graphical upgrades in a row without also being revolutionary. Sega learned this the hard way. Lems and Cows, what really is new about the 360 and PS3? Sure, the graphics rock, but what's NEW about the systems? What new thing are they bringing to the table? ....nothing.

TriangleHard

[QUOTE="OceanLeet"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]

All of the movies coming out this year are more of the same too. Good thing I'm still excited to see some of them.

What's your point?

cheezisgoooood

Yeah and theatre sales are at record lows. I myself only go once or twice a year now.

Ever heard of pirating?

Theatre ATTENDANCE is at record lows.  Fewer and fewer people are paying $10 to go see the same movies in a nasty noisy theatre.  To your point, video rentals and sales are also falling, but that is indeed due to piracy.

[QUOTE="ramey70"]What was revolutionary about the N64?OceanLeet

Though it didn't invent 3D for consoles, it brought it into the mainstream. Early PS1 games were split between 2D and 3D until the arrival of the N64. Also, the N64 introduced the joysticks on controllers, which the PS1 had to implement to stay in the game. Also the N64 was the first to have 4 controller ports or up to 4 players- a standard feature today.

NES (revolutionary) -> SNES (graphics upgrade) -> N64 (revolutionary) -> Cube (graphics upgrade) -> Wii (revolutionary)

now lets look at the Playstations...

PS1 (neither) -> PS2 (graphical upgrade) -> PS3 (graphical upgrade again????)

and Xboxes...

Xbox1 (graphical upgrade) -> Xbox360 (graphical upgrade again????)

and Sega...

Genesis (graphical upgrade) -> Saturn (graphical upgrade again) -> Dreamcast (graphical upgrade yet again) 

 

My point: You can't really have two graphical upgrades in a row without also being revolutionary. Sega learned this the hard way. Lems and Cows, what really is new about the 360 and PS3? Sure, the graphics rock, but what's NEW about the systems? What new thing are they bringing to the table? ....nothing.

OceanLeet

Hmmmmmmmmm making online mainstream dosent set the 360 apart, The fact you can use the Ps3 as media hub makes it unchanged from lastgen apart from graphics, Hmmmmmmm the Wii oh all it has is a new controler, Imo id rather go with a hybrid which includes the design and hardware features of the ps3, The online and gpu of the 360 and the option of having the Wii remote if wanted to use it.

Btw i thought you talked a whole lot of Bull****.

[QUOTE="jwmakoto"]Going by the logic that things like having 4 controller ports are 'revolutionary', how is the PS1 using Disk-based media not revolutionary? Look what happened next.... no more cartridges :P
I'm partly kidding, but my point is saying that these changes in one system were 'revolutionary' and ignoring any changes other consoles made is well.... take your fanboy goggles off. The only one I'd consider 'revolutionary' is maybe the Wii, but it's a little early yet to see any future impact it will have on gaming.OceanLeet

I put the PS1 as neither because it wasn't a massive graphic upgrade nor was it overall revolutionary. Sure, it had discs, but so did the Saturn at about the same time. That alone isn't enough to attain revolutionary status. However, the PS1 was indeed a damn great console.

[QUOTE="OceanLeet"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]What was revolutionary about the N64?Ezgam3r

Though it didn't invent 3D for consoles, it brought it into the mainstream. Early PS1 games were split between 2D and 3D until the arrival of the N64. Also, the N64 introduced the joysticks on controllers, which the PS1 had to implement to stay in the game. Also the N64 was the first to have 4 controller ports or up to 4 players- a standard feature today.

I've never heard of that thing.  It didn't change the industry, thus doesn't debunk the N64 on that aspect. 

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="OceanLeet"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]What was revolutionary about the N64?OceanLeet

Though it didn't invent 3D for consoles, it brought it into the mainstream. Early PS1 games were split between 2D and 3D until the arrival of the N64. Also, the N64 introduced the joysticks on controllers, which the PS1 had to implement to stay in the game. Also the N64 was the first to have 4 controller ports or up to 4 players- a standard feature today.

I've never heard of that thing. It didn't change the industry, thus doesn't debunk the N64 on that aspect.

[QUOTE="OceanLeet"]

[QUOTE="jwmakoto"]Going by the logic that things like having 4 controller ports are 'revolutionary', how is the PS1 using Disk-based media not revolutionary? Look what happened next.... no more cartridges :P
I'm partly kidding, but my point is saying that these changes in one system were 'revolutionary' and ignoring any changes other consoles made is well.... take your fanboy goggles off. The only one I'd consider 'revolutionary' is maybe the Wii, but it's a little early yet to see any future impact it will have on gaming.TriangleHard

I put the PS1 as neither because it wasn't a massive graphic upgrade nor was it overall revolutionary. Sure, it had discs, but so did the Saturn at about the same time. That alone isn't enough to attain revolutionary status. However, the PS1 was indeed a damn great console.

You forget the SNES had shoulders.   How can the PS1 AND Saturn simultaneously be a single revolutionary console?  lol.  The idea of putting a cd drive in consoles was NOT new.  The N64 may have lagged behind in that aspect, but it made up for it in others.  Rumble, 4 player industry standard, 3D industry standard, Joystick industry standard....I would say the N64 was revolutionary.

[QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="OceanLeet"]

[QUOTE="jwmakoto"]Going by the logic that things like having 4 controller ports are 'revolutionary', how is the PS1 using Disk-based media not revolutionary? Look what happened next.... no more cartridges :P
I'm partly kidding, but my point is saying that these changes in one system were 'revolutionary' and ignoring any changes other consoles made is well.... take your fanboy goggles off. The only one I'd consider 'revolutionary' is maybe the Wii, but it's a little early yet to see any future impact it will have on gaming.OceanLeet

I put the PS1 as neither because it wasn't a massive graphic upgrade nor was it overall revolutionary. Sure, it had discs, but so did the Saturn at about the same time. That alone isn't enough to attain revolutionary status. However, the PS1 was indeed a damn great console.

You forget the SNES had shoulders. How can the PS1 AND Saturn simultaneously be a single revolutionary console? lol. The idea of putting a cd drive in consoles was NOT new. The N64 may have lagged behind in that aspect, but it made up for it in others. Rumble, 4 player industry standard, 3D industry standard, Joystick industry standard....I would say the N64 was revolutionary.

[QUOTE="OceanLeet"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="OceanLeet"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]What was revolutionary about the N64?Ezgam3r

Though it didn't invent 3D for consoles, it brought it into the mainstream. Early PS1 games were split between 2D and 3D until the arrival of the N64. Also, the N64 introduced the joysticks on controllers, which the PS1 had to implement to stay in the game. Also the N64 was the first to have 4 controller ports or up to 4 players- a standard feature today.

I've never heard of that thing. It didn't change the industry, thus doesn't debunk the N64 on that aspect.

Hells dude.  I could say that we're all going to have little spider robots to carry soda drinks to us, build a primitive prototype, but if it failed miserably...it wouldn't be revolutionary.  It would be innovative and inspiring...but not revolutionary.

[QUOTE="OceanLeet"][QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="OceanLeet"]

[QUOTE="jwmakoto"]Going by the logic that things like having 4 controller ports are 'revolutionary', how is the PS1 using Disk-based media not revolutionary? Look what happened next.... no more cartridges :P
I'm partly kidding, but my point is saying that these changes in one system were 'revolutionary' and ignoring any changes other consoles made is well.... take your fanboy goggles off. The only one I'd consider 'revolutionary' is maybe the Wii, but it's a little early yet to see any future impact it will have on gaming.ramey70

I put the PS1 as neither because it wasn't a massive graphic upgrade nor was it overall revolutionary. Sure, it had discs, but so did the Saturn at about the same time. That alone isn't enough to attain revolutionary status. However, the PS1 was indeed a damn great console.

You forget the SNES had shoulders. How can the PS1 AND Saturn simultaneously be a single revolutionary console? lol. The idea of putting a cd drive in consoles was NOT new. The N64 may have lagged behind in that aspect, but it made up for it in others. Rumble, 4 player industry standard, 3D industry standard, Joystick industry standard....I would say the N64 was revolutionary.

That is debatable, but there was a dead period from 1983 until 1996 where no consoles had joysticks.  The N64 brought them back and now all modern consoles have them. 

[QUOTE="OceanLeet"]

[QUOTE="jwmakoto"]Going by the logic that things like having 4 controller ports are 'revolutionary', how is the PS1 using Disk-based media not revolutionary? Look what happened next.... no more cartridges :P
I'm partly kidding, but my point is saying that these changes in one system were 'revolutionary' and ignoring any changes other consoles made is well.... take your fanboy goggles off. The only one I'd consider 'revolutionary' is maybe the Wii, but it's a little early yet to see any future impact it will have on gaming.TriangleHard

I put the PS1 as neither because it wasn't a massive graphic upgrade nor was it overall revolutionary. Sure, it had discs, but so did the Saturn at about the same time. That alone isn't enough to attain revolutionary status. However, the PS1 was indeed a damn great console.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="OceanLeet"][QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="OceanLeet"]

[QUOTE="jwmakoto"]Going by the logic that things like having 4 controller ports are 'revolutionary', how is the PS1 using Disk-based media not revolutionary? Look what happened next.... no more cartridges :P
I'm partly kidding, but my point is saying that these changes in one system were 'revolutionary' and ignoring any changes other consoles made is well.... take your fanboy goggles off. The only one I'd consider 'revolutionary' is maybe the Wii, but it's a little early yet to see any future impact it will have on gaming.OceanLeet

I put the PS1 as neither because it wasn't a massive graphic upgrade nor was it overall revolutionary. Sure, it had discs, but so did the Saturn at about the same time. That alone isn't enough to attain revolutionary status. However, the PS1 was indeed a damn great console.

You forget the SNES had shoulders. How can the PS1 AND Saturn simultaneously be a single revolutionary console? lol. The idea of putting a cd drive in consoles was NOT new. The N64 may have lagged behind in that aspect, but it made up for it in others. Rumble, 4 player industry standard, 3D industry standard, Joystick industry standard....I would say the N64 was revolutionary.

That is debatable, but there was a dead period from 1983 until 1996 where no consoles had joysticks. The N64 brought them back and now all modern consoles have them.

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="OceanLeet"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="OceanLeet"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]What was revolutionary about the N64?OceanLeet

Though it didn't invent 3D for consoles, it brought it into the mainstream. Early PS1 games were split between 2D and 3D until the arrival of the N64. Also, the N64 introduced the joysticks on controllers, which the PS1 had to implement to stay in the game. Also the N64 was the first to have 4 controller ports or up to 4 players- a standard feature today.

I've never heard of that thing. It didn't change the industry, thus doesn't debunk the N64 on that aspect.

Hells dude. I could say that we're all going to have little spider robots to carry soda drinks to us, build a primitive prototype, but if it failed miserably...it wouldn't be revolutionary. It would be innovative and inspiring...but not revolutionary.

PS1 brought Discs into the mainstream over crappy cartridges. PS2 brought consoles gamers online first, but with a lack luster service. and PS was the first with dual analog.

Xbox was the first to offer a unified online service and will soon link PC gamers to Lives gamers.

Each company had had it's share of breakthroughs, most of which have become industry standards. Sony and MS helped make gaming what it is today, don't give Nintendo too much credit.

PS1 (neither) 

OceanLeet

PS1 brought Discs into the mainstream over crappy cartridges. PS2 brought consoles gamers online first, but with a lack luster service. and PS was the first with dual analog.

Xbox was the first to offer a unified online service and will soon link PC gamers to Lives gamers.

Each company had had it's share of breakthroughs, most of which have become industry standards. Sony and MS helped make gaming what it is today, don't give Nintendo too much credit.

Private_Vegas

The Xbox was also the first to include a HDD in the console...

Unless i'm completely forgetting a previous console that incorporated it.

I think you are right Nintendo has made their new console to revolutionaise the gaming world and with slighty better graphics than the Gamecube. The Sony and Microsoft have just made better graphics and I think they can not push the graphics much further. Nintendo was revolutionary with the NES, N64 and now the Wii.chocolate1325

[QUOTE="Kook18"][QUOTE="ramey70"]What was revolutionary about the N64?ramey70

Trigger button, rumble, analog sticks were all introduced on the 64 controller before anyone else had them. 

I think the 360 redefined what being "online" with a console meant.  Messaging, marketplace, Live Aware, Achievements.  You didn't see that with previous consoles... except maybe for the original Xbox.

They revolutionized the look and functionality of the console dashboard.

More of the same?  I don't think so.