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for the last 4 months we been arguing wich is better and how Wii is being a success and the new Xbox 360 elite. one thing i noticed is Xbox 360 is ATM not so hot there last system selling game was Gears and since then there lineup has been Toe to Toe almost the exact as the PS3 my Question is does MS really expect too win with just gears and Halo 3 as there main System sellers? Seems like with both Consoles we doing a whole lotta waiting. but the Wii is trying to get atleast 1 new great 1st party games each month.

but seems like Sony and MS are waiting for the 3rd party games and be lazy and not make any 1st party games this is mostly on MS part there 1st party games are almost none existant. i don't hear much other than 360 is better. what makes a console betetr is the games not it's performance. the PC has gotten moregood games in the last 4 months than both Systems wassup with that sure Xbox just got guitar hero but that does little when Eb has amillion traded in guitars for the PS2 wich means everyone who wanted it already been had it. I don't even see anything coming to 360 for the next 2 months. this is by far the worst time to make an elite model with no new games to advertise it with. fact is no one cares about old games and in the console BZness 6 months is old already. gears already lost it's hype and only people wanna play it already have it.

 

This is totally my opiniuon but i'm a consumer who was gonna purchase an Xbox 360 and i don't see any new games for a few months that would entise me to buy one. this month they have, rayman rabbid and spider man 3 coming and thats about it. why is 360 so elite ? where the games MS you can't win on 3rd partys only make your own games please. hurry before Sony catches up there actually making 1st party games to make those 3rd party multiplatform more entising on there system. i'm on the fence and i was leaning towards 360 but not i'm in the middle. Even with the original Xbox the first party lineup was small will it continue on Xbox? hope not cause Sony may not be the best at first pary games but they do make alot of them.

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Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?
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Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?CJL13
since when is blue dragon a big seller is it even out yet
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[QUOTE="CJL13"]Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?kingyoto
since when is blue dragon a big seller is it even out yet

lol
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Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?CJL13
don't be silly 2 games ok 4 games woot 4 exclusive when sony already got 2 to compete (FF13 and MGS) those are Not even out yet and mass effect may not be as great as people think.Another thing is Franchises are popular and people know about them before release games with no number usally take time to sell unless you advertise with 20million dollars like what they had to do with that 41million dollar Lost Planet. and it still didn't sell well. it's all about Franchises if you can't market it and Mass effect will not sell as well as people are hyping it. heck Chrono cross got 10 almost everywher and didn't even break amillion.
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Most of the PS3's games this gen are 1st party aren't they and if not that then second party.
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Not to mention Gears of War and Halo 3 are a lot bigger than what Sony and Nintendo are putting out and when you add in Mass Effect, Bioshock, Fable 2, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Assassin's Creed, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, PGR4 and others, you have a winning system IMO
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Ok guys get ready for the Sony fanboys!
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Not to mention Gears of War and Halo 3 are a lot bigger than what Sony and Nintendo are putting out and when you add in Mass Effect, Bioshock, Fable 2, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Assassin's Creed, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, PGR4 and others, you have a winning system IMOshadow8585
like i said a whole ltta waiting. what about now? or next month. after those games come out expect another drout like this where your waiting 8 months for an AAA
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[QUOTE="CJL13"]Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?peacebringer
don't be silly 2 games ok 4 games woot 4 exclusive when sony already got 2 to compete (FF13 and MGS) those are Not even out yet and mass effect may not be as great as people think.Another thing is Franchises are popular and people know about them before release games with no number usally take time to sell unless you advertise with 20million dollars like what they had to do with that 41million dollar Lost Planet. and it still didn't sell well. it's all about Franchises if you can't market it and Mass effect will not sell as well as people are hyping it. heck Chrono cross got 10 almost everywher and didn't even break amillion.

And the games out for the Wii are spectacular? Besides look at games like Kameo and Resistance, Motorstorm and Lost Planet if you want to compare games that are out.

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[QUOTE="shadow8585"]Not to mention Gears of War and Halo 3 are a lot bigger than what Sony and Nintendo are putting out and when you add in Mass Effect, Bioshock, Fable 2, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Assassin's Creed, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, PGR4 and others, you have a winning system IMOpeacebringer
like i said a whole ltta waiting. what about now? or next month. after those games come out expect another drout like this where your waiting 8 months for an AAA

The Wii has the same problem, if not worse.

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[QUOTE="CJL13"]Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?peacebringer
don't be silly 2 games ok 4 games woot 4 exclusive when sony already got 2 to compete (FF13 and MGS) those are Not even out yet and mass effect may not be as great as people think.Another thing is Franchises are popular and people know about them before release games with no number usally take time to sell unless you advertise with 20million dollars like what they had to do with that 41million dollar Lost Planet. and it still didn't sell well. it's all about Franchises if you can't market it and Mass effect will not sell as well as people are hyping it. heck Chrono cross got 10 almost everywher and didn't even break amillion.

LMAO MGS is no system seller.
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Not to mention Gears of War and Halo 3 are a lot bigger than what Sony and Nintendo are putting out and when you add in Mass Effect, Bioshock, Fable 2, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Assassin's Creed, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, PGR4 and others, you have a winning system IMOshadow8585
RE5 ,GTA4,Assassins creed,Oblivion, are all on PS3 to but does Xbox have twisted Metal,Gran turismo,Final Fantasy,jak and daxter, Syphon filter? no so Microsoft better get to making games to counter these r in 2 years you'll see PS3 will more consoles sold cause it means you can get more games on PS3 and thats why PS1 and PS2 were so successfull. MS needs to get it's head out of it's you know what and take this serioues Nintendo and Sony don't play when it comes to making there own games. nintendo makes better games but Sony still supports there system with alot of titles not just a handfull like MS gots now
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Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?CJL13
I didnt know ME and BD were out,what did they score on GS?
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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="shadow8585"]Not to mention Gears of War and Halo 3 are a lot bigger than what Sony and Nintendo are putting out and when you add in Mass Effect, Bioshock, Fable 2, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Assassin's Creed, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, PGR4 and others, you have a winning system IMOCJL13

like i said a whole ltta waiting. what about now? or next month. after those games come out expect another drout like this where your waiting 8 months for an AAA

The Wii has the same problem, if not worse.

Um zelda,SPM and Wario ware are all made by them... the highest rated games on Xbox 360 are not. that means the games on XBox can easly be put on PS3. thinking sonys' gonna just stop selling the PS3 is stupid it's still gonna get support but to beat them you can to match them punch for punch not expect to knock them out with one punch cause it's not gonna happen MS is letting the opurtunity slip. they can make a golf game, car combat game,Sport games, flight simulator for xbox 360 would be nice, a platformer. i hope this isn;t cause of cost of development we are not gonna get these type of games anymore.

Mp3 and Mario Galaxy SSBB all this year made by Nintendo there not getting any 3rd party games like GTA4 or Oblivion or MGS they have to do it themselves. so every good game on the Wii it's safe to say nintendos gonna have to make them. if 2 systems get the same games what make one better or worth purchasing more? the one with more and better 1st party games. 

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Blue dragon, lost odysee, huxley, eternal sonata, the exclusive next Splinter Cell, halo wars, and mass effect. Just to name a few im looking forward to.
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[QUOTE="CJL13"]Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?Dualshockin
I didnt know ME and BD were out,what did they score on GS?

If you cant give Blue dragon Credit for moving consoles in japan, then your just a biased gamer anyway. And yes Blue dragon will move in the USA.
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[QUOTE="CJL13"]Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?Dualshockin
I didnt know ME and BD were out,what did they score on GS?

It says have you looke at. Not have you played.
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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="CJL13"]Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?ROCK303
I didnt know ME and BD were out,what did they score on GS?

If you cant give Blue dragon Credit for moving consoles in japan, then your just a biased gamer anyway. And yes Blue dragon will move in the USA.

Didnt Blue Dragon sell less than 150,000?How is this moving consoles?
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[QUOTE="CJL13"]

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="shadow8585"]Not to mention Gears of War and Halo 3 are a lot bigger than what Sony and Nintendo are putting out and when you add in Mass Effect, Bioshock, Fable 2, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Assassin's Creed, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, PGR4 and others, you have a winning system IMOpeacebringer

like i said a whole ltta waiting. what about now? or next month. after those games come out expect another drout like this where your waiting 8 months for an AAA

The Wii has the same problem, if not worse.

Um zelda,SPM and Wario ware are all made by them... the highest rated games on Xbox 360 are not. that means the games on XBox can easly be put on PS3. thinking sonys' gonna just stop selling the PS3 is stupid it's still gonna get support but to beat them you can to match them punch for punch not expect to knock them out with one punch cause it's not gonna happen MS is letting the opurtunity slip. they can make a golf game, car combat game,Sport games, flight simulator for xbox 360 would be nice, a platformer. i hope this isn;t cause of cost of development we are not gonna get these type of games anymore.

Mp3 and Mario Galaxy SSBB all this year made by Nintendo there not getting any 3rd party games like GTA4 or Oblivion or MGS they have to do it themselves. so every good game on the Wii it's safe to say nintendos gonna have to make them. if 2 systems get the same games what make one better or worth purchasing more? the one with more and better 1st party games. 

You do realize Mass Effect, Gears of War, Halo 3, Blue Dragon, and Fable 2 are all published by Microsoft right?

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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="CJL13"]Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?Ragnorok_247
I didnt know ME and BD were out,what did they score on GS?

It says have you looke at. Not have you played.

From his sentence in the same paragraph,this implies that he's talking about sales.
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for the last 4 months we been arguing wich is better and how Wii is being a success and the new Xbox 360 elite. one thing i noticed is Xbox 360 is ATM not so hot there last system selling game was Gears and since then there lineup has been Toe to Toe almost the exact as the PS3 my Question is does MS really expect too win with just gears and Halo 3 as there main System sellers? Seems like with both Consoles we doing a whole lotta waiting. but the Wii is trying to get atleast 1 new great 1st party games each month.

but seems like Sony and MS are waiting for the 3rd party games and be lazy and not make any 1st party games this is mostly on MS part there 1st party games are almost none existant. i don't hear much other than 360 is better. what makes a console betetr is the games not it's performance. the PC has gotten moregood games in the last 4 months than both Systems wassup with that sure Xbox just got guitar hero but that does little when Eb has amillion traded in guitars for the PS2 wich means everyone who wanted it already been had it. I don't even see anything coming to 360 for the next 2 months. this is by far the worst time to make an elite model with no new games to advertise it with. fact is no one cares about old games and in the console BZness 6 months is old already. gears already lost it's hype and only people wanna play it already have it.

 

This is totally my opiniuon but i'm a consumer who was gonna purchase an Xbox 360 and i don't see any new games for a few months that would entise me to buy one. this month they have, rayman rabbid and spider man 3 coming and thats about it. why is 360 so elite ? where the games MS you can't win on 3rd partys only make your own games please. hurry before Sony catches up there actually making 1st party games to make those 3rd party multiplatform more entising on there system. i'm on the fence and i was leaning towards 360 but not i'm in the middle. Even with the original Xbox the first party lineup was small will it continue on Xbox? hope not cause Sony may not be the best at first pary games but they do make alot of them.

peacebringer

 

I get the distinct impression that Microsoft doesn't care. Now I own a 360 and I'm all for the success of it. Heck, I even think it's hardware is superior to that of the PS3. But when it all comes down to it, it seems as if Microsoft just doesn't care.

They're making profit on each console sold, which means a $75(US) price drop would be extremely easy to do, not to mention they're making money on the Xbox live service. Hell, they're making money on map downloads for Lost Planet and Gears Of War. Which I think is cruel for them to do, and they shouldn't be charging for that.

Back to my originally point, I get the distinct impression that Microsoft just doesn't care. With a little more effort the 360 easily could've had DX10. They're over charging for the 360, they're charging for Xbox live and finally they're charging for map downloads. What's next charging for game updates? It's appalling what they're doing on Xbox Live, and it wouldn't shock me at all if they really didn't care if they won the console war or not.

If they wanted too, they could easily sell the 360 for $100 less and make Xbox live free. And in doing so they would mostly likely win the console war. But I don't think they want to win. I think they're just going for a market share and that's it.

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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="CJL13"]

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="shadow8585"]Not to mention Gears of War and Halo 3 are a lot bigger than what Sony and Nintendo are putting out and when you add in Mass Effect, Bioshock, Fable 2, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Assassin's Creed, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, PGR4 and others, you have a winning system IMOCJL13

like i said a whole ltta waiting. what about now? or next month. after those games come out expect another drout like this where your waiting 8 months for an AAA

The Wii has the same problem, if not worse.

Um zelda,SPM and Wario ware are all made by them... the highest rated games on Xbox 360 are not. that means the games on XBox can easly be put on PS3. thinking sonys' gonna just stop selling the PS3 is stupid it's still gonna get support but to beat them you can to match them punch for punch not expect to knock them out with one punch cause it's not gonna happen MS is letting the opurtunity slip. they can make a golf game, car combat game,Sport games, flight simulator for xbox 360 would be nice, a platformer. i hope this isn;t cause of cost of development we are not gonna get these type of games anymore.

Mp3 and Mario Galaxy SSBB all this year made by Nintendo there not getting any 3rd party games like GTA4 or Oblivion or MGS they have to do it themselves. so every good game on the Wii it's safe to say nintendos gonna have to make them. if 2 systems get the same games what make one better or worth purchasing more? the one with more and better 1st party games.

You do realize Mass Effect, Gears of War, Halo 3, Blue Dragon, and Fable 2 are all published by Microsoft right?

yeah and your point?Why do people keep bring up mass effect biowae is not one of those companys that makes Instant Classic Kotor(no online says it failed) was over rated and that lineup almsot remind me of the old Xbox lineup except with difefrant names or more number added to it. you listed me 5 games published by them and only one is out. i can naame 20 or more Sony published games gonna be released in the next year and way to many to count for ninty so you proof that MS is not really making anything and depending on 3rd partys. why cant they make a crappy big head gold game or a Car combat game add some varity instead of wasting 20 million each for just 5 games that i will beat and prob trade in 3 in a week
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[QUOTE="peacebringer"]

for the last 4 months we been arguing wich is better and how Wii is being a success and the new Xbox 360 elite. one thing i noticed is Xbox 360 is ATM not so hot there last system selling game was Gears and since then there lineup has been Toe to Toe almost the exact as the PS3 my Question is does MS really expect too win with just gears and Halo 3 as there main System sellers? Seems like with both Consoles we doing a whole lotta waiting. but the Wii is trying to get atleast 1 new great 1st party games each month.

but seems like Sony and MS are waiting for the 3rd party games and be lazy and not make any 1st party games this is mostly on MS part there 1st party games are almost none existant. i don't hear much other than 360 is better. what makes a console betetr is the games not it's performance. the PC has gotten moregood games in the last 4 months than both Systems wassup with that sure Xbox just got guitar hero but that does little when Eb has amillion traded in guitars for the PS2 wich means everyone who wanted it already been had it. I don't even see anything coming to 360 for the next 2 months. this is by far the worst time to make an elite model with no new games to advertise it with. fact is no one cares about old games and in the console BZness 6 months is old already. gears already lost it's hype and only people wanna play it already have it.

This is totally my opiniuon but i'm a consumer who was gonna purchase an Xbox 360 and i don't see any new games for a few months that would entise me to buy one. this month they have, rayman rabbid and spider man 3 coming and thats about it. why is 360 so elite ? where the games MS you can't win on 3rd partys only make your own games please. hurry before Sony catches up there actually making 1st party games to make those 3rd party multiplatform more entising on there system. i'm on the fence and i was leaning towards 360 but not i'm in the middle. Even with the original Xbox the first party lineup was small will it continue on Xbox? hope not cause Sony may not be the best at first pary games but they do make alot of them.

PurpleBlueGreen

I get the distinct impression that Microsoft doesn't care. Now I own a 360 and I'm all for the success of it. Heck, I even think it's hardware is superior to that of the PS3. But when it all comes down to it, it seems as if Microsoft just doesn't care.

They're making profit on each console sold, which means a $75(US) price drop would be extremely easy to do, not to mention they're making money on the Xbox live service. Hell, they're making money on map downloads for Lost Planet and Gears Of War. Which I think is cruel for them to do, and they shouldn't be charging for that.

Back to my originally point, I get the distinct impression that Microsoft just doesn't care. With a little more effort the 360 easily could've had DX10. They're over charging for the 360, they're charging for Xbox live and finally they're charging for map downloads. What's next charging for game updates? It's appalling what they're doing on Xbox Live, and it wouldn't shock me at all if they really didn't care if they won the console war or not.

If they wanted too, they could easily sell the 360 for $100 less and make Xbox live free. And in doing so they would mostly likely win the console war. But I don't think they want to win. I think they're just going for a market share and that's it.

OMG i agree with you that doesn't happen much. See i play games on my PC and no way in hell i'm gonna wanna buy a 360 when half the AAA on 360 will come to my PC eventually. if they don't it's really nothing to sweat about cause in the end it may just be a few titles thats not enough for me to fork over money. i hate to say it but i'm really think the negative press towards Sony must have been from MS but i sat back and looked and i was like WTF my PC is messing it up for me if i didn't have a good PC there be more than enough reason to get a 360 but if you have a PC you might wanna get a PS3 if you gona get a console sicne it's in the end gonna have alot more games your PC can't play Compared to XBox.
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for the last 4 months we been arguing wich is better and how Wii is being a success and the new Xbox 360 elite. one thing i noticed is Xbox 360 is ATM not so hot there last system selling game was Gears and since then there lineup has been Toe to Toe almost the exact as the PS3 my Question is does MS really expect too win with just gears and Halo 3 as there main System sellers? Seems like with both Consoles we doing a whole lotta waiting. but the Wii is trying to get atleast 1 new great 1st party games each month.

but seems like Sony and MS are waiting for the 3rd party games and be lazy and not make any 1st party games this is mostly on MS part there 1st party games are almost none existant. i don't hear much other than 360 is better. what makes a console betetr is the games not it's performance. the PC has gotten moregood games in the last 4 months than both Systems wassup with that sure Xbox just got guitar hero but that does little when Eb has amillion traded in guitars for the PS2 wich means everyone who wanted it already been had it. I don't even see anything coming to 360 for the next 2 months. this is by far the worst time to make an elite model with no new games to advertise it with. fact is no one cares about old games and in the console BZness 6 months is old already. gears already lost it's hype and only people wanna play it already have it.

 

This is totally my opiniuon but i'm a consumer who was gonna purchase an Xbox 360 and i don't see any new games for a few months that would entise me to buy one. this month they have, rayman rabbid and spider man 3 coming and thats about it. why is 360 so elite ? where the games MS you can't win on 3rd partys only make your own games please. hurry before Sony catches up there actually making 1st party games to make those 3rd party multiplatform more entising on there system. i'm on the fence and i was leaning towards 360 but not i'm in the middle. Even with the original Xbox the first party lineup was small will it continue on Xbox? hope not cause Sony may not be the best at first pary games but they do make alot of them.

PurpleBlueGreen

 

I get the distinct impression that Microsoft doesn't care. Now I own a 360 and I'm all for the success of it. Heck, I even think it's hardware is superior to that of the PS3. But when it all comes down to it, it seems as if Microsoft just doesn't care.

They're making profit on each console sold, which means a $75(US) price drop would be extremely easy to do, not to mention they're making money on the Xbox live service. Hell, they're making money on map downloads for Lost Planet and Gears Of War. Which I think is cruel for them to do, and they shouldn't be charging for that.

Back to my originally point, I get the distinct impression that Microsoft just doesn't care. With a little more effort the 360 easily could've had DX10. They're over charging for the 360, they're charging for Xbox live and finally they're charging for map downloads. What's next charging for game updates? It's appalling what they're doing on Xbox Live, and it wouldn't shock me at all if they really didn't care if they won the console war or not.

If they wanted too, they could easily sell the 360 for $100 less and make Xbox live free. And in doing so they would mostly likely win the console war. But I don't think they want to win. I think they're just going for a market share and that's it.

Last I checked Microsoft has yet to regain the 4 billion dollars they lost on the original Xbox, let alone even remotely start making money on the Xbox brand.

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[QUOTE="PurpleBlueGreen"][QUOTE="peacebringer"]

for the last 4 months we been arguing wich is better and how Wii is being a success and the new Xbox 360 elite. one thing i noticed is Xbox 360 is ATM not so hot there last system selling game was Gears and since then there lineup has been Toe to Toe almost the exact as the PS3 my Question is does MS really expect too win with just gears and Halo 3 as there main System sellers? Seems like with both Consoles we doing a whole lotta waiting. but the Wii is trying to get atleast 1 new great 1st party games each month.

but seems like Sony and MS are waiting for the 3rd party games and be lazy and not make any 1st party games this is mostly on MS part there 1st party games are almost none existant. i don't hear much other than 360 is better. what makes a console betetr is the games not it's performance. the PC has gotten moregood games in the last 4 months than both Systems wassup with that sure Xbox just got guitar hero but that does little when Eb has amillion traded in guitars for the PS2 wich means everyone who wanted it already been had it. I don't even see anything coming to 360 for the next 2 months. this is by far the worst time to make an elite model with no new games to advertise it with. fact is no one cares about old games and in the console BZness 6 months is old already. gears already lost it's hype and only people wanna play it already have it.

This is totally my opiniuon but i'm a consumer who was gonna purchase an Xbox 360 and i don't see any new games for a few months that would entise me to buy one. this month they have, rayman rabbid and spider man 3 coming and thats about it. why is 360 so elite ? where the games MS you can't win on 3rd partys only make your own games please. hurry before Sony catches up there actually making 1st party games to make those 3rd party multiplatform more entising on there system. i'm on the fence and i was leaning towards 360 but not i'm in the middle. Even with the original Xbox the first party lineup was small will it continue on Xbox? hope not cause Sony may not be the best at first pary games but they do make alot of them.

cheezisgoooood

I get the distinct impression that Microsoft doesn't care. Now I own a 360 and I'm all for the success of it. Heck, I even think it's hardware is superior to that of the PS3. But when it all comes down to it, it seems as if Microsoft just doesn't care.

They're making profit on each console sold, which means a $75(US) price drop would be extremely easy to do, not to mention they're making money on the Xbox live service. Hell, they're making money on map downloads for Lost Planet and Gears Of War. Which I think is cruel for them to do, and they shouldn't be charging for that.

Back to my originally point, I get the distinct impression that Microsoft just doesn't care. With a little more effort the 360 easily could've had DX10. They're over charging for the 360, they're charging for Xbox live and finally they're charging for map downloads. What's next charging for game updates? It's appalling what they're doing on Xbox Live, and it wouldn't shock me at all if they really didn't care if they won the console war or not.

If they wanted too, they could easily sell the 360 for $100 less and make Xbox live free. And in doing so they would mostly likely win the console war. But I don't think they want to win. I think they're just going for a market share and that's it.

Last I checked Microsoft has yet to regain the 4 billion dollars they lost on the original Xbox, let alone even remotely start making money on the Xbox brand.

I know what it is the first Party games with them you make extra money. i bought i dunno like 20 or more GC nintendo published games gfor Cube and man i dunno how many PS cause they publish alot but for Xbox there wasn't much options to buy games it was a handefull even though it was a great hand i rather have a bucket full feel me?. eiether way eventually i'll own all and pay 20 or less for games but i buy the good stuff first at full price and MS isn't gonna get that from me yet. my brother even asked me he couldn't beleave i didn't buy a 360 yet and i hate Sony and can afford it.When i buy a system i wanna buy a few great game with it i hate waiting for good games to come out. so i just wait till something i will die for then fork the money and MS only did that for me with Halo 2 and i might for Halo 3 but the more first partys they can make depends how long i wait till i trade it in.
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[QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="CJL13"]

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="shadow8585"]Not to mention Gears of War and Halo 3 are a lot bigger than what Sony and Nintendo are putting out and when you add in Mass Effect, Bioshock, Fable 2, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Assassin's Creed, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, PGR4 and others, you have a winning system IMOpeacebringer

like i said a whole ltta waiting. what about now? or next month. after those games come out expect another drout like this where your waiting 8 months for an AAA

The Wii has the same problem, if not worse.

Um zelda,SPM and Wario ware are all made by them... the highest rated games on Xbox 360 are not. that means the games on XBox can easly be put on PS3. thinking sonys' gonna just stop selling the PS3 is stupid it's still gonna get support but to beat them you can to match them punch for punch not expect to knock them out with one punch cause it's not gonna happen MS is letting the opurtunity slip. they can make a golf game, car combat game,Sport games, flight simulator for xbox 360 would be nice, a platformer. i hope this isn;t cause of cost of development we are not gonna get these type of games anymore.

Mp3 and Mario Galaxy SSBB all this year made by Nintendo there not getting any 3rd party games like GTA4 or Oblivion or MGS they have to do it themselves. so every good game on the Wii it's safe to say nintendos gonna have to make them. if 2 systems get the same games what make one better or worth purchasing more? the one with more and better 1st party games.

You do realize Mass Effect, Gears of War, Halo 3, Blue Dragon, and Fable 2 are all published by Microsoft right?

yeah and your point?Why do people keep bring up mass effect biowae is not one of those companys that makes Instant Classic Kotor(no online says it failed) was over rated and that lineup almsot remind me of the old Xbox lineup except with difefrant names or more number added to it. you listed me 5 games published by them and only one is out. i can naame 20 or more Sony published games gonna be released in the next year and way to many to count for ninty so you proof that MS is not really making anything and depending on 3rd partys. why cant they make a crappy big head gold game or a Car combat game add some varity instead of wasting 20 million each for just 5 games that i will beat and prob trade in 3 in a week

KOTOR flopped because it had no online? You have serious issues.

Like the Wii's first party titles aren't similar or sequels?

And why would Microsoft make a crappy game? It makes no sense. Plus just because a game is first party doesn't mean it's automatically good. The games I listed were the games that look good and the games that are good. Plus Microsoft has third party exclusives. Dead Rising and Lost Planet? Capcom themselves said they weren't going to the PS3.

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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="CJL13"]

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="shadow8585"]Not to mention Gears of War and Halo 3 are a lot bigger than what Sony and Nintendo are putting out and when you add in Mass Effect, Bioshock, Fable 2, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Assassin's Creed, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, PGR4 and others, you have a winning system IMOCJL13

like i said a whole ltta waiting. what about now? or next month. after those games come out expect another drout like this where your waiting 8 months for an AAA

The Wii has the same problem, if not worse.

Um zelda,SPM and Wario ware are all made by them... the highest rated games on Xbox 360 are not. that means the games on XBox can easly be put on PS3. thinking sonys' gonna just stop selling the PS3 is stupid it's still gonna get support but to beat them you can to match them punch for punch not expect to knock them out with one punch cause it's not gonna happen MS is letting the opurtunity slip. they can make a golf game, car combat game,Sport games, flight simulator for xbox 360 would be nice, a platformer. i hope this isn;t cause of cost of development we are not gonna get these type of games anymore.

Mp3 and Mario Galaxy SSBB all this year made by Nintendo there not getting any 3rd party games like GTA4 or Oblivion or MGS they have to do it themselves. so every good game on the Wii it's safe to say nintendos gonna have to make them. if 2 systems get the same games what make one better or worth purchasing more? the one with more and better 1st party games.

You do realize Mass Effect, Gears of War, Halo 3, Blue Dragon, and Fable 2 are all published by Microsoft right?

yeah and your point?Why do people keep bring up mass effect biowae is not one of those companys that makes Instant Classic Kotor(no online says it failed) was over rated and that lineup almsot remind me of the old Xbox lineup except with difefrant names or more number added to it. you listed me 5 games published by them and only one is out. i can naame 20 or more Sony published games gonna be released in the next year and way to many to count for ninty so you proof that MS is not really making anything and depending on 3rd partys. why cant they make a crappy big head gold game or a Car combat game add some varity instead of wasting 20 million each for just 5 games that i will beat and prob trade in 3 in a week

KOTOR flopped because it had no online? You have serious issues.

Like the Wii's first party titles aren't similar or sequels?

And why would Microsoft make a crappy game? It makes no sense. Plus just because a game is first party doesn't mean it's automatically good. The games I listed were the games that look good and the games that are good. Plus Microsoft has third party exclusives. Dead Rising and Lost Planet? Capcom themselves said they weren't going to the PS3.

I'll i'm saying is to me that doesn't warrant a purchase yet and i think people agree since Xbox isn't exacally flying off the shelfs. people are waiting for Halo. i played Dead Rising and it's not that good I didn't even play into it past 10 hrs when my brother was living with me.I wasn't impressed. the fact is it's out already and 360 didn't have a peak in sales and lost Plaent most defenitly Flopped since it cost 41 to make and advertise and no one who doesn't own an Xbox knows nothing about it. thats not good. you have to make your games appealing to the public.
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Last I checked Microsoft has yet to regain the 4 billion dollars they lost on the original Xbox, let alone even remotely start making money on the Xbox brand.

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What web site says that? 

I don't dispute that they may have lost money.  But I still think they don't care if they come first this generation.  The 360's gpu is so close to having DX10 capabilities, it's not even funny.  With an extra spurt of effort it would have had it.  And could they really care about the consumers if they're charging for map downloads to an already $60 game.  Microsoft has even said they want Xbox Live users to get used to paying for things on their live service.  If that's their attitude, their going to lose.

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for the last 4 months we been arguing wich is better and how Wii is being a success and the new Xbox 360 elite. one thing i noticed is Xbox 360 is ATM not so hot there last system selling game was Gears and since then there lineup has been Toe to Toe almost the exact as the PS3 my Question is does MS really expect too win with just gears and Halo 3 as there main System sellers? Seems like with both Consoles we doing a whole lotta waiting. but the Wii is trying to get atleast 1 new great 1st party games each month.

but seems like Sony and MS are waiting for the 3rd party games and be lazy and not make any 1st party games this is mostly on MS part there 1st party games are almost none existant. i don't hear much other than 360 is better. what makes a console betetr is the games not it's performance. the PC has gotten moregood games in the last 4 months than both Systems wassup with that sure Xbox just got guitar hero but that does little when Eb has amillion traded in guitars for the PS2 wich means everyone who wanted it already been had it. I don't even see anything coming to 360 for the next 2 months. this is by far the worst time to make an elite model with no new games to advertise it with. fact is no one cares about old games and in the console BZness 6 months is old already. gears already lost it's hype and only people wanna play it already have it.

 

This is totally my opiniuon but i'm a consumer who was gonna purchase an Xbox 360 and i don't see any new games for a few months that would entise me to buy one. this month they have, rayman rabbid and spider man 3 coming and thats about it. why is 360 so elite ? where the games MS you can't win on 3rd partys only make your own games please. hurry before Sony catches up there actually making 1st party games to make those 3rd party multiplatform more entising on there system. i'm on the fence and i was leaning towards 360 but not i'm in the middle. Even with the original Xbox the first party lineup was small will it continue on Xbox? hope not cause Sony may not be the best at first pary games but they do make alot of them.

peacebringer

 

Do you even follow the sales charts at all? If you do you wouldn't have stated something that is baseless.

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Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?CJL13

 

he is right they are 360's only system sellers the games you mentioned arent even out yet and will probably be on PC

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Your main concern seems to be the games, and that nothing is releasing that you like.  You just haven't been watching that closely then.  I bet there are a dozen games at least already out that would be worth the purchase for you.  I'm not saying there are 12 good games, just that there has to be at least 12 that would interest you if you gave them a serious look.  The 360 has been out long enough and with enough compelling content that it would take you far more than next six months to a year to catch up.  So if you are worried about what's coming in the next couple of months, that's a bit silly.  There's plenty to keep you busy until Mass Effect, Assassin's creed, GTA, Halo 3, etc. come out. 

 

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[QUOTE="CJL13"]Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?peacebringer
don't be silly 2 games ok 4 games woot 4 exclusive when sony already got 2 to compete (FF13 and MGS) those are Not even out yet and mass effect may not be as great as people think.Another thing is Franchises are popular and people know about them before release games with no number usally take time to sell unless you advertise with 20million dollars like what they had to do with that 41million dollar Lost Planet. and it still didn't sell well. it's all about Franchises if you can't market it and Mass effect will not sell as well as people are hyping it. heck Chrono cross got 10 almost everywher and didn't even break amillion.

seriously you shouln't care about that. if you like lost planet, dead rising, GOW, Halo, Mass effect, BlueDragon, Forza 2, lost odesey, eternal sonata, Too human (hope it will get better) and more stuff then there are game worth a purchase. doesn't matter if out there they spent 20mill on advertisement and nobody bought it. if it interest you, you buy it, or do you base your purchase on fame? 

 

i know i base my purchase on what its good to me. like ninety nine nights, sonic, table tennis, enchant arms, DOA4, lost planet, GOW, oblivion, ffxi and more that i'm looking for to buy like dead rising and the ones that havent release yet.

 

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[QUOTE="shadow8585"]Not to mention Gears of War and Halo 3 are a lot bigger than what Sony and Nintendo are putting out and when you add in Mass Effect, Bioshock, Fable 2, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Assassin's Creed, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, PGR4 and others, you have a winning system IMOpeacebringer
like i said a whole ltta waiting. what about now? or next month. after those games come out expect another drout like this where your waiting 8 months for an AAA

Fanboy alert.  Come on, you can't be serious.  What would you have to wait for?  If you don't already own a 360 (and you said you don't), then there's tons to keep you busy right now.  You don't have to wait for anything.  I've been playing my 360 like crazy since launch and I haven't run out of things to play.  I'm thinking you aren't at all sincere about considering purchasing a 360 and this post was just a way to try to point attention to a 360 dry spell, when the truth of the matter is the industry in general is slow this time EACH year. 

 

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[QUOTE="CJL13"]Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?kingyoto
since when is blue dragon a big seller is it even out yet

 

it made consoles in japan start selling. 

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[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="CJL13"]Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?Dualshockin
I didnt know ME and BD were out,what did they score on GS?

It says have you looke at. Not have you played.

From his sentence in the same paragraph,this implies that he's talking about sales.

 

then he wouldnt be making any sence halo 3 isnt out yet either :\ 

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for the last 4 months we been arguing wich is better and how Wii is being a success and the new Xbox 360 elite. one thing i noticed is Xbox 360 is ATM not so hot there last system selling game was Gears and since then there lineup has been Toe to Toe almost the exact as the PS3 my Question is does MS really expect too win with just gears and Halo 3 as there main System sellers? Seems like with both Consoles we doing a whole lotta waiting. but the Wii is trying to get atleast 1 new great 1st party games each month.

but seems like Sony and MS are waiting for the 3rd party games and be lazy and not make any 1st party games this is mostly on MS part there 1st party games are almost none existant. i don't hear much other than 360 is better. what makes a console betetr is the games not it's performance. the PC has gotten moregood games in the last 4 months than both Systems wassup with that sure Xbox just got guitar hero but that does little when Eb has amillion traded in guitars for the PS2 wich means everyone who wanted it already been had it. I don't even see anything coming to 360 for the next 2 months. this is by far the worst time to make an elite model with no new games to advertise it with. fact is no one cares about old games and in the console BZness 6 months is old already. gears already lost it's hype and only people wanna play it already have it.

 

This is totally my opiniuon but i'm a consumer who was gonna purchase an Xbox 360 and i don't see any new games for a few months that would entise me to buy one. this month they have, rayman rabbid and spider man 3 coming and thats about it. why is 360 so elite ? where the games MS you can't win on 3rd partys only make your own games please. hurry before Sony catches up there actually making 1st party games to make those 3rd party multiplatform more entising on there system. i'm on the fence and i was leaning towards 360 but not i'm in the middle. Even with the original Xbox the first party lineup was small will it continue on Xbox? hope not cause Sony may not be the best at first pary games but they do make alot of them.

peacebringer

 

Thanks for making me laugh. It really made this day much better. Btw I plan on getting a Wii first. When I get a HDTV I will most likely buy a 360 (Especially if FF and/or MGS are multiplat)

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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="CJL13"]Somewhere in that mess I saw that you thought Halo 3 and GOW were the 360's only system sellers. Have you looked at Blue Dragon and Mass Effect?iammason
don't be silly 2 games ok 4 games woot 4 exclusive when sony already got 2 to compete (FF13 and MGS) those are Not even out yet and mass effect may not be as great as people think.Another thing is Franchises are popular and people know about them before release games with no number usally take time to sell unless you advertise with 20million dollars like what they had to do with that 41million dollar Lost Planet. and it still didn't sell well. it's all about Franchises if you can't market it and Mass effect will not sell as well as people are hyping it. heck Chrono cross got 10 almost everywher and didn't even break amillion.

LMAO MGS is no system seller.

:shock: wTF..... i cant....did he say....... is he insulting a mgs game!!......:shock:.......i think my face just died..........mgs is probably the 1st or 2nd biggest series of games sony has....( GTA first(but they lost that now) and final fantasy). he who insults mgs, has either never played it, or has lost the brain power to move his thumbs