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#1 Vadamee
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...yet Crysis 2 looks better than both, and is on 360 :|

Discuss!

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#2 Jared2720
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Where did you get your copy of Crysis 2?
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#3 jakehouston88
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Show us some pics of Crysis 2 running on the 360.

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#4 finalstar2007
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No link or pics? no believe you :)

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#5 Major_Reeves
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I smell trolling...

and yes the 360 can do graphics like killzone and uncharted.

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#6 h575309
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It can do just fine. No one can prove the 360 cant do as good of graphics. Its all BS. Alan Wake looks awesome, RE5 is right up there with those two you mentioned, and Crysis 2 looks incredible. Only fanboys think the 360 cant match the PS3.

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#7 Vadamee
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Show us some pics of Crysis 2 running on the 360.

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Go watch the HD videos of the Cryengin running on all 3 platforms...
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#8 aaronmullan
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Crysis 2 console version doesn't look as good as UC2. The PC version will look alot better, though.
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To be completely honest: I DON'T GIVE A ****

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#11 Blixxed
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Crysis 2 is on the PS3 and PC as well? o:
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Heh now "Crysis 2" is teh grafxz king months before it's released? :lol: We haven't even played Crysis 2 yet, how do we know it sets a benchmark, particularly on consoles? I'm thinking troll.
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#13 Vadamee
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Crysis 2 console version doesn't look as good as UC2. The PC version will look alot better, though. aaronmullan
Not only does it look better than U2 but its more impressive given all that they were able to pull off on such limited hardware.
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#14 djsifer01
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As of right now there is no proof that the 360 can, so i agree with the topic.
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#15 Odrec
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Ladies and gentlemen, you find yourselves in front of a very peculiar specimen called a lemming. He, among other traits, has such a powerful imagination that they sometimes can't discern reality from fiction. For example, they can see things that doesn't exist. This is what makes possible for them to talk about various graphic kings in their favorite console. This behavior is most common in hostile environments like SW where competition for ownage is fearless. Sometimes their powers are so strong that they can't even see reality when faced with it like with the infamous Forza 3 case.
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Crysis 2 console version doesn't look as good as UC2. The PC version will look alot better, though. Vadamee
Not only does it look better than U2 but its more impressive given all that they were able to pull off on such limited hardware.

You're not listening, friend. Crysis 2 does not look better than Uncharted 2. It just doesn't. Sorry.
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#17 PAL360
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360 and PS3 are tecnically on pair. And yeah, Cryengine3 is a good example of it

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#18 fuchuzz
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yea, im not exaclty sure where your going comparing an uncomplete engine that we have seen hardley anything of, to one of the greatest games to come out this gen.

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#19 Vadamee
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@Hahadouken: Why do we have threads comparing Heavy Rain, a game that doesn't even look spectacular, to Crysis when it ain't even out yet? :( How is that OK and this comparison isn't.

[QUOTE="Vadamee"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Crysis 2 console version doesn't look as good as UC2. The PC version will look alot better, though. Jared2720


Not only does it look better than U2 but its more impressive given all that they were able to pull off on such limited hardware.


You're not listening, friend. Crysis 2 does not look better than Uncharted 2. It just doesn't.

Sorry.

WOW! You're so convincing /sarcasm

In my honest opinion... Naughty Dog's graphics engine makes the characters in Uncharted look like grease-covered light bulbs.. They seem to have corrected that for Uncharted 2 though.

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[QUOTE="Vadamee"][QUOTE="Hahadouken"]Heh now "Crysis 2" is teh grafxz king months before it's released? :lol: We haven't even played Crysis 2 yet, how do we know it sets a benchmark, particularly on consoles? I'm thinking troll.

Why do we have threads comparing Heavy Rain, a game that doesn't even look spectacular, to Crysis when it ain't even out yet? :( How is that OK and this comparison isn't.

Pleas refer us to the thread in which it was officially decided that comparing Heavy Rain to Crysis was acceptable by Systems Wars standards. If you can't do this, your argument does not hold water. I sincerely hope you're aware of the expression "two wrongs don't make a right."
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Howsabout you try using a game out rather than ubsubstantiated claims on an unreleased multiplatform title... that will look waaaay better on PC than either of the consoles.

I expect to see both consoles raise the bar on their graphical capabilities as the current hardware generation matures. Right now the overwhelming consensus from gamers, reviewers, and the industry at large is that the PS3 has the best looking game(s) on a console to date. You don't have to be a fanboy to believe that, you have to be a fanboy not to believe that. Can the 360 match the visuals of KZ2 or UC2? We don't know. It might be able to, and I certainly hope both systems can do better than anything we've seen yet down line line. The only thing we do know is that the 360 hasn't produced that level of visuals yet.

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I don't agree. There is no definitive proof that the 360 can't do anything that the PS3 can. The only proof the UC2 and KZ2 represent are that there are some very skilled, very well funded and very determined developers in Sony's camp.
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#23 Vadamee
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[QUOTE="Jared2720"][QUOTE="Vadamee"][QUOTE="Hahadouken"]Heh now "Crysis 2" is teh grafxz king months before it's released? :lol: We haven't even played Crysis 2 yet, how do we know it sets a benchmark, particularly on consoles? I'm thinking troll.

Why do we have threads comparing Heavy Rain, a game that doesn't even look spectacular, to Crysis when it ain't even out yet? :( How is that OK and this comparison isn't.

Pleas refer us to the thread in which it was officially decided that comparing Heavy Rain to Crysis was acceptable by Systems Wars standards. If you can't do this, your argument does not hold water. I sincerely hope you're aware of the expression "two wrongs don't make a right."

My argument is completely logical... 360 can't pull these games off yet it has a game that looks, AT THE VERY LEAST, as good as the games I mentioned in the thread title. Sorry but you need to drop the delusion that there is some sort of "Standard." There is no substitute for logic, even in the virtual space.
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[QUOTE="Vadamee"][QUOTE="Jared2720"][QUOTE="Vadamee"] Why do we have threads comparing Heavy Rain, a game that doesn't even look spectacular, to Crysis when it ain't even out yet? :( How is that OK and this comparison isn't.

Pleas refer us to the thread in which it was officially decided that comparing Heavy Rain to Crysis was acceptable by Systems Wars standards. If you can't do this, your argument does not hold water. I sincerely hope you're aware of the expression "two wrongs don't make a right."

My argument is completely logical... 360 can't pull these games off yet it has a game that looks, AT THE VERY LEAST, as good as the games I mentioned in the thread title. Sorry but you need to drop the delusion that there is some sort of "Standard." There is no substitute for logic, even in the virtual space.

You very conveniently failed to address the flaw I identified in your argument. Your argument is that it's okay to compare an unreleased game to a game that is currently available simply because it's been done before (i.e., Heavy Rain vs. Crysis). The problem with this position is that it wasn't okay then, either. I repeat: two wrongs do not make a right. Do not promote this practice any further please.
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#25 Vadamee
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Howsabout you try using a game out rather than ubsubstantiated claims on an unreleased multiplatform title... that will look waaaay better on PC than either of the consoles.

I expect to see both consoles raise the bar on their graphical capabilities as the current hardware generation matures. Right now the overwhelming consensus from gamers, reviewers, and the industry at large is that the PS3 has the best looking game(s) on a console to date. You don't have to be a fanboy to believe that, you have to be a fanboy not to believe that. Can the 360 match the visuals of KZ2 or UC2? We don't know. It might be able to, and I certainly hope both systems can do better than anything we've seen yet down line line. The only thing we do know is that the 360 hasn't produced that level of visuals yet.

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How about not troll off topic before I report you to the troll police! We've seen footage of the game running on actual hardware, tech demo or not, its still using the technology that we have in our homes. Unlike that Killzone 2 video fallacy we saw back in 2005 that wasn't even done by the studio that the game was being developed by. Fact is that Crytek has demonstrated with Crysis that they don't downgrade their graphics engine upon release - Pre-release footage of Crysis looks worse than the actual game, so there is a very good chance that it could launch looking even better than what we've seen already.
I don't agree. There is no definitive proof that the 360 can't do anything that the PS3 can. The only proof the UC2 and KZ2 represent are that there are some very skilled, very well funded and very determined developers in Sony's camp.beekayjay
People's sarcasm detectors are broken!
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#26 Sollet
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As of right now there is no proof that the 360 can, so i agree with the topic.djsifer01
Haha nice one.
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[QUOTE="Jared2720"] You very conveniently failed to address the flaw I identified in your argument. Your argument is that it's okay to compare an unreleased game to a game that is currently available simply because it's been done before (i.e., Heavy Rain vs. Crysis). The problem with this position is that it wasn't okay then, either. I repeat: two wrongs do not make a right. Do not promote this practice any further please.

That isn't a flaw in my argument because THAT ISN'T my argument. My argument is the claims made that the 360 can't do these games yet there are games in development that look as good or better. It doesn't matter if its unreleased, we've seen footage of it running on each respective system. So refer me to the standard that we can't compare unreleased games to ones that are released. If you disagree with my comparison, then feel free to leave the thread. That is always an option.
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@Hahadouken: Why do we have threads comparing Heavy Rain, a game that doesn't even look spectacular, to Crysis when it ain't even out yet? :( How is that OK and this comparison isn't.Vadamee

It isn't Ok. I would never say it was.

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#29 Vadamee
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As of right now there is no proof that the 360 can, so i agree with the topic.djsifer01
360 can't run Super Mario World either even though there are better looking, more technically advance games available. :) Isn't lothos fun!
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#30 playharderfool
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The Crysis Demos look amazing....however

Dose that mean that xbox360 can run engines like Uncharted 2's and Killzone 2's? No...no it dose not. There are more to those engines that make the graphics look amazingthan just the textures we see on the objects

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Can anyone provide hard evidence for either side of the argument? I await your links.
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[QUOTE="Vadamee"][QUOTE="Jared2720"] You very conveniently failed to address the flaw I identified in your argument. Your argument is that it's okay to compare an unreleased game to a game that is currently available simply because it's been done before (i.e., Heavy Rain vs. Crysis). The problem with this position is that it wasn't okay then, either. I repeat: two wrongs do not make a right. Do not promote this practice any further please.

That isn't a flaw in my argument because THAT ISN'T my argument. My argument is the claims made that the 360 can't do these games yet there are games in development that look as good or better. It doesn't matter if its unreleased, we've seen footage of it running on each respective system. So refer me to the standard that we can't compare unreleased games to ones that are released. If you disagree with my comparison, then feel free to leave the thread. That is always an option.

Look, we get it. Understanding is not the problem. You seem to accept it as a fact that Crysis 2 looks better than U2, and is running on 360, so therefore 360 can do Uncharted 2 graphics. Some pretty flimsy game math, but we get what you are saying. You fail to understand that people simply disagree about Crysis 2 looking better than Uncharted 2. Therefore, your skewed math formula is irrelevant to them by default.
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Ladies and gentlemen, you find yourselves in front of a very peculiar specimen called a lemming. He, among other traits, has such a powerful imagination that they sometimes can't discern reality from fiction. For example, they can see things that doesn't exist. This is what makes possible for them to talk about various graphic kings in their favorite console. This behavior is most common in hostile environments like SW where competition for ownage is fearless. Sometimes their powers are so strong that they can't even see reality when faced with it like with the infamous Forza 3 case.Odrec
Haha that made my day!
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Can anyone provide hard evidence for either side of the argument? I await your links.musicalmac
There will never be any hard evidence unless we examine these games from code level... Even then someone with knowledge of computer programming will be required and maybe some sort of custom software that gauges performance and/or resources. Its mostly a matter of opinion: If I ask my four year old niece which games looked best, she'll pick something which is the most pleasing to the eye. Comparing SMG to Crysis, she'll pick SMG every time.
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Can anyone provide hard evidence for either side of the argument? I await your links.Vadamee
There will never be any hard evidence unless we examine these games from code level... Even then someone with knowledge of computer programming will be required and maybe some sort of custom software that gauges performance and/or resources. Its mostly a matter of opinion: If I ask my four year old niece which games looked best, she'll pick something which is the most pleasing to the eye. Comparing SMG to Crysis, she'll pick SMG every time.

Correct. So why are you all squabbling like 4 year olds?
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Well TC the cows disagree with your post. Oh well.....I guess in the future lemmings will indeed become cattle ranchers as we shall all be owing lots of cows!:P

The irons in the fire! It is going to be fun times indeed!:twisted:

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Can anyone provide hard evidence for either side of the argument? I await your links.Vadamee
There will never be any hard evidence unless we examine these games from code level... Even then someone with knowledge of computer programming will be required and maybe some sort of custom software that gauges performance and/or resources. Its mostly a matter of opinion: If I ask my four year old niece which games looked best, she'll pick something which is the most pleasing to the eye. Comparing SMG to Crysis, she'll pick SMG every time.

So how come cows are quick to claim "graphics king" if what you say can be applied even now?

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[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="Vadamee"][QUOTE="Jared2720"] You very conveniently failed to address the flaw I identified in your argument. Your argument is that it's okay to compare an unreleased game to a game that is currently available simply because it's been done before (i.e., Heavy Rain vs. Crysis). The problem with this position is that it wasn't okay then, either. I repeat: two wrongs do not make a right. Do not promote this practice any further please.

That isn't a flaw in my argument because THAT ISN'T my argument. My argument is the claims made that the 360 can't do these games yet there are games in development that look as good or better. It doesn't matter if its unreleased, we've seen footage of it running on each respective system. So refer me to the standard that we can't compare unreleased games to ones that are released. If you disagree with my comparison, then feel free to leave the thread. That is always an option.

Look, we get it. Understanding is not the problem. You seem to accept it as a fact that Crysis 2 looks better than U2, and is running on 360, so therefore 360 can do Uncharted 2 graphics. Some pretty flimsy game math, but we get what you are saying. You fail to understand that people simply disagree about Crysis 2 looking better than Uncharted 2. Therefore, your skewed math formula is irrelevant to them by default.

If understanding isn't the problem then why do you persist?... The second part of your post applies to every thread created in SW. If you disagree then simply move on; don't take up much-need Gamespot bandwidth posting something that would be relevant to every thread in system wars, as if mine is somehow out of the ordinary. (Which it kind of is)
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[QUOTE="Vadamee"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Can anyone provide hard evidence for either side of the argument? I await your links.musicalmac
There will never be any hard evidence unless we examine these games from code level... Even then someone with knowledge of computer programming will be required and maybe some sort of custom software that gauges performance and/or resources. Its mostly a matter of opinion: If I ask my four year old niece which games looked best, she'll pick something which is the most pleasing to the eye. Comparing SMG to Crysis, she'll pick SMG every time.

Correct. So why are you all squabbling like 4 year olds?

isnt that what we usually do in SW?

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Well TC the cows disagree with your post. Oh well.....I guess in the future lemmings will indeed become cattle ranchers as we shall all be owing lots of cows!:P

The irons in the fire! It is going to be fun times indeed!:twisted:

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How can lemmings be owning cows with a game that could potentially end up looking better on PS3? xbox fanboy speculation is quite amusing.

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Can anyone provide hard evidence for either side of the argument? I await your links.musicalmac

Depends on what two sides you are referring to.

I bet we can come up with plenty of links establishing that the current accepted consensus is that the 2 mentioned PS3 games are considered to have the best graphics on a console to date from all over the place. That one would be easy.

Links establishing the 360 has a game coming out that outmatches those aforementioned games? No. Don't think that one can be accomplished.

Links establishing that the 360 version of Crysis 2 is going to be the finest looking console game when it releases? Once again, I think that would be impossible at this point.

Links proving once and for all that the 360 does not have the capability to render KZ2 or UC2 level graphics. Not happening.

Links establishing that the 360 hasn't produced a game on par with UC2's or KZ2's visuals yet? That one should be about as easy as the first one.

That was my point earlier in the thread... and TC hilariously threatened to report me for it :P All we can actually show is what has actually been released, and brought out for the gamers, the reviewers, and the rest of the industry to see and compare. Everything else would be purely conjecture. For example, TC's assertions about Crysis 2's 360 version.

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#42 musicalmac  Moderator
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isnt that what we usually do in SW?

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Depends on what two sides you are referring to.

I bet we can come up with plenty of links establishing that the current accepted consensus is that the 2 mentioned PS3 games are considered to have the best graphics on a console to date from all over the place. That one would be easy.

Links establishing the 360 has a game coming out that outmatches those aforementioned games? No. Don't think that one can be accomplished.

Links establishing that the 360 version of Crysis 2 is going to be the finest looking console game when it releases? Once again, I think that would be impossible at this point.

Links proving once and for all that the 360 does not have the capability to render KZ2 or UC2 level graphics. Not happening.

Links establishing that the 360 hasn't produced a game on par with UC2's or KZ2's visuals yet? That one should be about as easy as the first one.

That was my point earlier in the thread... and TC hilariously threatened to report me for it :P All we can actually show is what has actually been released, and brought out for the gamers, the reviewers, and the rest of the industry to see and compare. Everything else would be purely conjecture. For example, TC's assertions about Crysis 2's 360 version.

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After such a well-consturcted reply, I hate to respond like this, but- I was referring to the two sides of the argument, 360 can/can't do {insert game title here}. Only someone who has any real programing knowledge can comment. Either that- or we get technical links.
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[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

Well TC the cows disagree with your post. Oh well.....I guess in the future lemmings will indeed become cattle ranchers as we shall all be owing lots of cows!:P

The irons in the fire! It is going to be fun times indeed!:twisted:

playharderfool

How can lemmings be owning cows with a game that could potentially end up looking better on PS3? xbox fanboy speculation is quite amusing.

Even if it did a tiny bit we will still win as evedenced by tons of the 360 cant do this and that posts will be owned. Although with multiplats cows have more to worry about with losing that arguement than we do!

X brand or XO ?:lol:

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#46 ogvampire
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isnt that what we usually do in SW?

musicalmac

Only some of us. I suppose that was my shout out to those of you who know better!

lol! fair enough

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also I hear alot of xbox fans say xbox360 exclusives aren't as grapically impressive as PS3 games because they aren't built from the ground up, but Forza had a custom engine built from the gound up for the xbox360 that xbox fans thought would crush the graphics of GTp/GT5 so like...uh WHAHAPPPEND?

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#48 Vadamee
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[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

Well TC the cows disagree with your post. Oh well.....I guess in the future lemmings will indeed become cattle ranchers as we shall all be owing lots of cows!:P

The irons in the fire! It is going to be fun times indeed!:twisted:

playharderfool

How can lemmings be owning cows with a game that could potentially end up looking better on PS3? xbox fanboy speculation is quite amusing.

How would it look better on PS3? If you're referring to that interview about the PS3's version, they simply said that they have put equal effort in the PS3 version relative to the other two. They even said the PS3's GPU is the weakest of all platforms... Or are you clinging to the stigma that "T3h cell" has hidden power? Isn't it funny how everyone that disagrees with cows are lemmings and vise versa? I mean what says I'm a lemming? Why can't I be a sheep?
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#49 Hahadouken
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Well TC the cows disagree with your post. Oh well.....I guess in the future lemmings will indeed become cattle ranchers as we shall all be owing lots of cows!:P

The irons in the fire! It is going to be fun times indeed!:twisted:

vaderhater
Well, have fun in the future, it looks like the "cows" are owning you at the moment, though.
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#50 vaderhater
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[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

Well TC the cows disagree with your post. Oh well.....I guess in the future lemmings will indeed become cattle ranchers as we shall all be owing lots of cows!:P

The irons in the fire! It is going to be fun times indeed!:twisted:

Hahadouken

Well, have fun in the future, it looks like the "cows" are owning you at the moment, though.

Indeed we shall! Its gonna be fun!:twisted: