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#1 Bullets4Brains
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360 'Elite' doesn't support HDMI 1.3, DD+, TrueHD or 5.1 PCM

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10176889&&#post10176889

I'm not bashing 360, I've got one. Just this pointless piece of trash called the 360 elite. There is no reason for it to exist.

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#2 _LiquidFlame_
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agreed
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#3 limpbizkit818
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Here we go again with the "true HD" and "true audio" bla bla bla. You will never notice the difference.
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#4 GsSanAndreas
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MS is just trying to sucker in early adopters into spending over 500$ for 100 extra gigs of hardrive
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360 'Elite' doesn't support HDMI 1.3, DD+, TrueHD or 5.1 PCM

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10176889&&#post10176889

I'm not bashing 360, I've got one. Just this pointless piece of trash called the 360 elite. There is no reason for it to exist.

Bullets4Brains

I dont even kno wat that means and it really doesnt matter...I dont even have HD tv! it just isnt needed so get off it 

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#6 re-tart356
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yea
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#7 twags82
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Here we go again with the "true HD" and "true audio" bla bla bla. You will never notice the difference. limpbizkit818

You have my respect...because you're an In Flames fan.  Keep the horns up. 

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#9 OldParr
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if 1080i is not hd,if 1080p is not hd and if 720p is not hd.and conecting the 360 to a sorround system is not hd.then can someone please tell me WTF IS HD????seriously wtf u people want???????
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#10 Kizzle28
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Unless your a hardcore AV person, you won't notice any difference. But I agree that the Elite sucks ass. It should've had Wi-Fi in it and stayed $480. Then it would be much better.
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#11 OldParr
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Unless your a hardcore AV person, you won't notice any difference. But I agree that the Elite sucks ass. It should've had Wi-Fi in it and stayed $480. Then it would be much better.Kizzle28

agree

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360 'Elite' doesn't support HDMI 1.3, DD+, TrueHD or 5.1 PCM

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10176889&&#post10176889

I'm not bashing 360, I've got one. Just this pointless piece of trash called the 360 elite. There is no reason for it to exist.

Bullets4Brains


spoken like a true hardcore gamer :lol:

no casual gamers would care about the hardcore hardrive info that only the devs know. As long as it can hold alot of memory, gives off a next gen feeling and mind blowing graphics, no one cares what's on the inside.
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#13 bitemeslippy
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[QUOTE="Bullets4Brains"]

360 'Elite' doesn't support HDMI 1.3, DD+, TrueHD or 5.1 PCM

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10176889&&#post10176889

I'm not bashing 360, I've got one. Just this pointless piece of trash called the 360 elite. There is no reason for it to exist.

Heartagram_03



spoken like a true hardcore gamer :lol:

no casual gamers would care about the hardcore hardrive info that only the devs know. As long as it can hold alot of memory, gives off a next gen feeling and mind blowing graphics, no one cares what's on the inside.

A hardcore GAMER wouldn't give a s*** what the graphics look like.

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#14 Shut_Me_Up
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360 'Elite' doesn't support HDMI 1.3, DD+, TrueHD or 5.1 PCM

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10176889&&#post10176889

I'm not bashing 360, I've got one. Just this pointless piece of trash called the 360 elite. There is no reason for it to exist.

Bullets4Brains
You made a new account for this?
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#15 Ngon
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Here we go again with the "true HD" and "true audio" bla bla bla. You will never notice the difference. limpbizkit818

yes you can, stop talking bs

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#16 gnutux
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Problem here is that there's no solid proof about it being HDMI 1.2 instead of 1.3. or anything said by TC. I'm not planning to get the Elite, but there's nothing to convince me to believe this data. gnutux
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[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]Here we go again with the "true HD" and "true audio" bla bla bla. You will never notice the difference. twags82

You have my respect...because you're an In Flames fan. Keep the horns up.

yeah there is no noticeable difference and i too am an inflames fan i seen the while they where on tour with trivium and devildriver awesome show btw :P
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#18 twags82
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[QUOTE="twags82"]

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]Here we go again with the "true HD" and "true audio" bla bla bla. You will never notice the difference. STABW0UND

You have my respect...because you're an In Flames fan. Keep the horns up.

yeah there is no noticeable difference and i too am an inflames fan i seen the while they where on tour with trivium and devildriver awesome show btw :P

YES!!!  So did I!  It was at Worcester, Mass, and the show fricking thrashed.  DevilDriver's awesome in concert (new album in a couple months).  Also, In Flames started with "Pinball Map" and the whole place went bonkers.  Ok, I gotta start listening to them now... 

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#19 Duckyindiana
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Im sorry there is no such thing as true hd its bs, you have hd and sd nothing more.
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#20 wingman3030
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The truth is Lems MS is screwing u guys over 80 bucks for a bigger harddrive and black accessories.
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#21 lordxymor
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Unless your a hardcore AV person, you won't notice any difference. But I agree that the Elite sucks ass. It should've had Wi-Fi in it and stayed $480. Then it would be much better.Kizzle28
I don't get you. How come HD audio isn't that important, but wi-fi is? Everyone can connect using ethernet cables, you know. And HD audio is as important to me as HD video. I'm just not willing to pay that kind of prices for it yet. Maybe after a year or 2 when ps3 and 360 are ~20% cheaper.
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#22 Heartagram_03
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[QUOTE="Heartagram_03"][QUOTE="Bullets4Brains"]

360 'Elite' doesn't support HDMI 1.3, DD+, TrueHD or 5.1 PCM

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10176889&&#post10176889

I'm not bashing 360, I've got one. Just this pointless piece of trash called the 360 elite. There is no reason for it to exist.

bitemeslippy



spoken like a true hardcore gamer :lol:

no casual gamers would care about the hardcore hardrive info that only the devs know. As long as it can hold alot of memory, gives off a next gen feeling and mind blowing graphics, no one cares what's on the inside.

A hardcore GAMER wouldn't give a s*** what the graphics look like.



because their too busy doing research on what the console is really made of :lol:
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360 'Elite' doesn't support HDMI 1.3, DD+, TrueHD or 5.1 PCM

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10176889&&#post10176889

I'm not bashing 360, I've got one. Just this pointless piece of trash called the 360 elite. There is no reason for it to exist.

Bullets4Brains

I realize Wikipedia isn't exactly an infallable source, but it is 10x more accurate than anything on these forums.  So here you go:

HDMI 1.0
Single-cable digital audio/video connection with a maximum bitrate of 4.9Gbps. Supports up to 165Mpixels/sec video (1080p60Hz or UXGA) and 8-channel/192kHz/24-bit audio.

HDMI 1.2
Added support for One Bit Audio, used on Super Audio CDs, up to 8 channels.
Availability of HDMI Type A connector for PC sources.
Ability for PC sources to use native RGB color-space while retaining the option to support the YCbCr CE color space.
Requirement for HDMI 1.2 and later displays to support low-voltage sources.

HDMI 1.3
Increases single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps)
Optionally supports 30-bit, 36-bit, and 48-bit xvYCC with Deep Color or over one billion colors, up from 24-bit sRGB or YCbCr in previous versions.
Incorporates automatic audio syncing (lip sync) capability.
Supports output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio streams for external decoding by AV receivers.[9] TrueHD and DTS-HD are lossless audio codec formats used on HD DVDs and Blu-ray Discs. If the disc player can decode these streams into uncompressed audio, then HDMI 1.3 is not necessary, as all versions of HDMI can transport uncompressed audio.
Availability of a new mini connector for devices such as camcorders.[10]
The Sony PlayStation 3 is the first product available on consumer market with HDMI 1.3.[11]
Epson has released the EMP-TW1000 as the first display supporting 30-bit deep color.[12]

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#24 bitemeslippy
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The truth is Lems MS is screwing u guys over 80 bucks for a bigger harddrive and black accessories.wingman3030

How is screwing them over? The money goes toward a bigger harddrive and the black looks pretty sweet if you ask me. 

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#25 Kizzle28
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[QUOTE="Kizzle28"]Unless your a hardcore AV person, you won't notice any difference. But I agree that the Elite sucks ass. It should've had Wi-Fi in it and stayed $480. Then it would be much better.lordxymor
I don't get you. How come HD audio isn't that important, but wi-fi is? Everyone can connect using ethernet cables, you know. And HD audio is as important to me as HD video. I'm just not willing to pay that kind of prices for it yet. Maybe after a year or 2 when ps3 and 360 are ~20% cheaper.

  The 360 is already 5.1 Dolby, what more do you need?
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360 'Elite' doesn't support HDMI 1.3, DD+, TrueHD or 5.1 PCM

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10176889&&#post10176889

I'm not bashing 360, I've got one. Just this pointless piece of trash called the 360 elite. There is no reason for it to exist.

Bullets4Brains
I am glad you brought this to my attention. I will need to do a little more research since I wanted this for my home theater. Thanks for the info.
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#27 wingman3030
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[QUOTE="wingman3030"]The truth is Lems MS is screwing u guys over 80 bucks for a bigger harddrive and black accessories.bitemeslippy

How is screwing them over? The money goes toward a bigger harddrive and the black looks pretty sweet if you ask me. 

The 360 was released what November of 05? Too much time has passed for a product to go up in price 80 dollars just for a bigger harddrive.

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#28 cjnwo4life
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[QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="Kizzle28"]Unless your a hardcore AV person, you won't notice any difference. But I agree that the Elite sucks ass. It should've had Wi-Fi in it and stayed $480. Then it would be much better.Kizzle28
I don't get you. How come HD audio isn't that important, but wi-fi is? Everyone can connect using ethernet cables, you know. And HD audio is as important to me as HD video. I'm just not willing to pay that kind of prices for it yet. Maybe after a year or 2 when ps3 and 360 are ~20% cheaper.

  The 360 is already 5.1 Dolby, what more do you need?

Some home theater receivers can do uncompressed audio which is better than DD or DTS. So for them this type of sound processing enhances their experience. However, there are not that many people who have receivers that can do so. I will be getting one this summer, but those receivers will not hit mainstream probably until the end of 2008 or early 09 for tha matter.
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[QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="Kizzle28"]Unless your a hardcore AV person, you won't notice any difference. But I agree that the Elite sucks ass. It should've had Wi-Fi in it and stayed $480. Then it would be much better.Kizzle28
I don't get you. How come HD audio isn't that important, but wi-fi is? Everyone can connect using ethernet cables, you know. And HD audio is as important to me as HD video. I'm just not willing to pay that kind of prices for it yet. Maybe after a year or 2 when ps3 and 360 are ~20% cheaper.

  The 360 is already 5.1 Dolby, what more do you need?

HD-Audio is a marketting scam. 5.1 dolby sounds terrific and you wouldn't notice the loss of 5% fidelity if you are actualy playing games on it. Strip all that crap out, give me 5.1 surround and make the damn thing cheaper.
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#30 bitemeslippy
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[QUOTE="bitemeslippy"]

[QUOTE="wingman3030"]The truth is Lems MS is screwing u guys over 80 bucks for a bigger harddrive and black accessories.wingman3030

How is screwing them over? The money goes toward a bigger harddrive and the black looks pretty sweet if you ask me.

The 360 was released what November of 05? Too much time has passed for a product to go up in price 80 dollars just for a bigger harddrive.

For 100 gigs of bigger harddrive. 

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This matters because the 360 has a next-gen video format!
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#32 def_mode
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for the people that bought the 20GB HDD for 100 bucks, you just got MILKED, so bad.
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HDMI is a broken technology, 1.2 or 1.3. Both of them are a pain in the ass if you want to do anything besides go directly to a single television.
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[QUOTE="bitemeslippy"]

[QUOTE="wingman3030"]The truth is Lems MS is screwing u guys over 80 bucks for a bigger harddrive and black accessories.wingman3030

How is screwing them over? The money goes toward a bigger harddrive and the black looks pretty sweet if you ask me. 

The 360 was released what November of 05? Too much time has passed for a product to go up in price 80 dollars just for a bigger harddrive.

So u expect a 80gig bigger drive, hdmi and 3 cables for free. Let me know when then Wii $250 comes with component cables and how much they did they go for at launch on ebay. Let me know when the Ps3 60gig version comes with componet alone alone hdmi. How much is that 1st party Sony Hdmi cable again.You do know about some of the audio issuses with using the hdmi cable and teh PS3. Something Microsoft addresssed with teh Elite out of the box. Man someone needs to hand out some pointy hats today. Its bad enough you have fanbois expecting that Micfrosoft give out A/B/G band wi-fis, like they are dirt cheap. The same ones who dont seem to know their alphabets and forget that Wii and PS3 only have B/G and we all know how dirt cheap they can be. Lets ignore the fact, that Wii has very little to no online gaming as of now (a Japan only game doesnt count). PS3 wifi isnt much to brag about.
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#35 bitemeslippy
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[QUOTE="wingman3030"][QUOTE="bitemeslippy"]

[QUOTE="wingman3030"]The truth is Lems MS is screwing u guys over 80 bucks for a bigger harddrive and black accessories.ps3-nikita

How is screwing them over? The money goes toward a bigger harddrive and the black looks pretty sweet if you ask me.

The 360 was released what November of 05? Too much time has passed for a product to go up in price 80 dollars just for a bigger harddrive.

So u expect a 80gig bigger drive, hdmi and 3 cables for free. Let me know when then Wii $250 comes with component cables and how much they did they go for at launch on ebay. Let me know when the Ps3 60gig version comes with componet alone alone hdmi. How much is that 1st party Sony Hdmi cable again.You do know about some of the audio issuses with using the hdmi cable and teh PS3. Something Microsoft addresssed with teh Elite out of the box. Man someone needs to hand out some pointy hats today. Its bad enough you have fanbois expecting that Micfrosoft give out A/B/G band wi-fis, like they are dirt cheap. The same ones who dont seem to know their alphabets and forget that Wii and PS3 only have B/G and we all know how dirt cheap they can be. Lets ignore the fact, that Wii has very little to no online gaming as of now (a Japan only game doesnt count). PS3 wifi isnt much to brag about.

Thank you for making a good point, it was needed....o well not like the stubborn people on GS will listen. x_x

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#36 def_mode
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When you bought premium, you kinda get ripped off, when you bought the 20GB HDD you got ripped off at the very best but if you dont have 360 yet then Elite is the best deal for u

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#37 Redfingers
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Here we go again with the "true HD" and "true audio" bla bla bla. You will never notice the difference. limpbizkit818
You will notice the difference if you chuck your old 360 and buy a new, $480 one. The idea is that the stupid thing doesn't offer any incentive to justify the only big difference....price.
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[QUOTE="ps3-nikita"][QUOTE="wingman3030"][QUOTE="bitemeslippy"]

[QUOTE="wingman3030"]The truth is Lems MS is screwing u guys over 80 bucks for a bigger harddrive and black accessories.bitemeslippy

How is screwing them over? The money goes toward a bigger harddrive and the black looks pretty sweet if you ask me.

The 360 was released what November of 05? Too much time has passed for a product to go up in price 80 dollars just for a bigger harddrive.

So u expect a 80gig bigger drive, hdmi and 3 cables for free. Let me know when then Wii $250 comes with component cables and how much they did they go for at launch on ebay. Let me know when the Ps3 60gig version comes with componet alone alone hdmi. How much is that 1st party Sony Hdmi cable again.You do know about some of the audio issuses with using the hdmi cable and teh PS3. Something Microsoft addresssed with teh Elite out of the box. Man someone needs to hand out some pointy hats today. Its bad enough you have fanbois expecting that Micfrosoft give out A/B/G band wi-fis, like they are dirt cheap. The same ones who dont seem to know their alphabets and forget that Wii and PS3 only have B/G and we all know how dirt cheap they can be. Lets ignore the fact, that Wii has very little to no online gaming as of now (a Japan only game doesnt count). PS3 wifi isnt much to brag about.

Thank you for making a good point, it was needed....o well not like the stubborn people on GS will listen. x_x

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#39 johnusabeis
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do any ps3 games support "True HD" audio?
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#40 rune-c1nd3r
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[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]Here we go again with the "true HD" and "true audio" bla bla bla. You will never notice the difference. twags82

You have my respect...because you're an In Flames fan. Keep the horns up.

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I may agree with what you are saying but I also believe the thing is going to sell out.
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#42 X360PS3AMD05
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So all the recievers and HT systems that don't have HDMI 1.3 are worthless?? :roll:
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#43 TheJuggla17
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Microsoft did not need to release another version of the Xbox 360. They should of just released the 120gb HDD separately and figured out a way  to design an adapter for HDMI from the current composite or USB port. With enough time I am sure they could of done it.

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#44 wingman3030
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[QUOTE="wingman3030"][QUOTE="bitemeslippy"]

[QUOTE="wingman3030"]The truth is Lems MS is screwing u guys over 80 bucks for a bigger harddrive and black accessories.ps3-nikita

How is screwing them over? The money goes toward a bigger harddrive and the black looks pretty sweet if you ask me. 

The 360 was released what November of 05? Too much time has passed for a product to go up in price 80 dollars just for a bigger harddrive.

So u expect a 80gig bigger drive, hdmi and 3 cables for free. Let me know when then Wii $250 comes with component cables and how much they did they go for at launch on ebay. Let me know when the Ps3 60gig version comes with componet alone alone hdmi. How much is that 1st party Sony Hdmi cable again.You do know about some of the audio issuses with using the hdmi cable and teh PS3. Something Microsoft addresssed with teh Elite out of the box. Man someone needs to hand out some pointy hats today. Its bad enough you have fanbois expecting that Micfrosoft give out A/B/G band wi-fis, like they are dirt cheap. The same ones who dont seem to know their alphabets and forget that Wii and PS3 only have B/G and we all know how dirt cheap they can be. Lets ignore the fact, that Wii has very little to no online gaming as of now (a Japan only game doesnt count). PS3 wifi isnt much to brag about.

If u read the topic u would know the HDMI output that the elite comes with is pointless making all the extra cables pointless.

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#45 audioaxes
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please come back when you know what you are talking about

who cares about proprietary specifications that doesnt mean anything except the company paid them to list their label

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The truth is Lems MS is screwing u guys over 80 bucks for a bigger harddrive and black accessories.wingman3030
kinda like how Sony is screwing you guys with a 600 dollar blu ray player, that doesnt include HDMI cables and just happens to play mediocre games on the side? ;)
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#47 peacebringer
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When you bought premium, you kinda get ripped off, when you bought the 20GB HDD you got ripped off at the very best but if you dont have 360 yet then Elite is the best deal for u

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Agree. no matter wich one you get you may want the 120gb at somepoint.
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#48 Radeon_X1950XTX
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cows want the latest tech? get a pc it was TRUE HD since the first windows came out ther is no such thing as TRUE HD, its just HD, anything thats 720p and over is HD,
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#49 trophylocoste
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So....It will still have better graphics than ps3
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#50 wingman3030
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[QUOTE="wingman3030"]The truth is Lems MS is screwing u guys over 80 bucks for a bigger harddrive and black accessories.rocktimusprime
kinda like how Sony is screwing you guys with a 600 dollar blu ray player, that doesnt include HDMI cables and just happens to play mediocre games on the side? ;)

U could say that IF i didnt know there werent any games worth playing as of right now or that it came with a Blu-Ray player I didnt want.

But since none of that is true, i guess sony didnt screw me.