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#1 OSCARMIKE
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Now I know some of you out there hate me because of the terrible act I commited to get my hands on a PS3 but im posting anyway. If ps3 would of launched in spring like it was suppose to woudnt the games released be twice as horrible as the ones we  received at launch? It seems everyone claims 360 games look better because of the 1 year lead but it seems to me devs have had about equall time with both systems dev kits so what gives? Why isnt my ps3 crushing my 360 in graphics?
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We know. Lots of people dont though.
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Now I know some of you out there hate me because of the terrible act I commited to get my hands on a PS3 but im posting anyway. If ps3 would of launched in spring like it was suppose to woudnt the games released be twice as horrible as the ones we  received at launch? It seems everyone claims 360 games look better because of the 1 year lead but it seems to me devs have had about equall time with both systems dev kits so what gives? Why isnt my ps3 crushing my 360 in graphics?OSCARMIKE
PS3 is harder to develop for, but both systems have similar potential. The devs say PS3 has more potential, but that's up to the developers to release it. For the most part, 360 and PS3 will be on the same level, but I think PS3 will have some pretty impressive stuff in this next year. FF XIII anyone?
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[QUOTE="OSCARMIKE"]Now I know some of you out there hate me because of the terrible act I commited to get my hands on a PS3 but im posting anyway. If ps3 would of launched in spring like it was suppose to woudnt the games released be twice as horrible as the ones we  received at launch? It seems everyone claims 360 games look better because of the 1 year lead but it seems to me devs have had about equall time with both systems dev kits so what gives? Why isnt my ps3 crushing my 360 in graphics?_AsasN_
PS3 is harder to develop for, but both systems have similar potential. The devs say PS3 has more potential, but that's up to the developers to release it. For the most part, 360 and PS3 will be on the same level, but I think PS3 will have some pretty impressive stuff in this next year. FF XIII anyone?

Which devs said that? I'm not trying to be mean, but I'd hardly call it a consensus amongst developers. It's like global warming to some folks :?
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[QUOTE="_AsasN_"][QUOTE="OSCARMIKE"]Now I know some of you out there hate me because of the terrible act I commited to get my hands on a PS3 but im posting anyway. If ps3 would of launched in spring like it was suppose to woudnt the games released be twice as horrible as the ones we  received at launch? It seems everyone claims 360 games look better because of the 1 year lead but it seems to me devs have had about equall time with both systems dev kits so what gives? Why isnt my ps3 crushing my 360 in graphics?musicalmac
PS3 is harder to develop for, but both systems have similar potential. The devs say PS3 has more potential, but that's up to the developers to release it. For the most part, 360 and PS3 will be on the same level, but I think PS3 will have some pretty impressive stuff in this next year. FF XIII anyone?

Which devs said that? I'm not trying to be mean, but I'd hardly call it a consensus amongst developers. It's like global warming to some folks :?

The "hard to develop for" part?

Well, of course there isn't going to be a concensus among developers.  It's all a matter of opinion.

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Now I know some of you out there hate me because of the terrible act I commited to get my hands on a PS3 but im posting anyway. If ps3 would of launched in spring like it was suppose to woudnt the games released be twice as horrible as the ones we received at launch? It seems everyone claims 360 games look better because of the 1 year lead but it seems to me devs have had about equall time with both systems dev kits so what gives? Why isnt my ps3 crushing my 360 in graphics?OSCARMIKE
The devs have not had the same amount of times with a final dev kit of the PS3 and a Final dev kit of the 360. The games that did bad were rushed ports and launch games on the PS3. They got lower scores just like how the 360s poor ports of PS2 games got lower scores then the PS2 version. Why didnt the 360 crush my 6 year old system? Because when you have a Port all but one version suffers. But now look at games that have had more time with PS3 hardware like Icon and Homecourt. Both games got the exact same score on the PS3 and 360 version. Both consoles are powerful pieces of hardware, the only difference is the devs have little experience with the PS3. Pretty soon when decent exclusive games come out you will see the PS3s graphics push the envelope but to expect the PS3 to crush the 360s grapics based off a port is not smart.
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Good points Jayo its just hard for me to stay positive about my ps3 when I compare my 360 to ps3 games and see my ps3 just under performing when i expected my ps3 to wow me right outta the box like my 360 did with COD2. One things for sure i never expected a digital turd like gundam to be pooped outta my 600$ dollar console.

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Now I know some of you out there hate me because of the terrible act I commited to get my hands on a PS3 but im posting anyway. If ps3 would of launched in spring like it was suppose to woudnt the games released be twice as horrible as the ones we  received at launch? It seems everyone claims 360 games look better because of the 1 year lead but it seems to me devs have had about equall time with both systems dev kits so what gives? Why isnt my ps3 crushing my 360 in graphics?OSCARMIKE

Kameo puts EVERY launch PS3 game to shame really, i finished it some days back, and had played both  Motorstorm and Resistance in  a kiosk, Resistance was looking mediocre comparing, and motorstorm had nothing on Kameo too, it was so empty, Kameo was full of stuff and life and thousands of troops and effects and bump mapping etc, a work of art

So, comparing launch titles, 360 is far ahead in graphics, but PS3 is hardrer to develop for, so they should be equal in the end

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Resistance turned to be a great launch game with Stunnin graphics and havin that much things going on at once in that 1 game should rule
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Ps3 has had a min of an extra 2 years in production, so using old ill thought out excuses is just lame. Just incase you pull the dev kit excse. Ps3 dev kits were more powerful then the final thing. Bottom line is Sony hadnt lied about the console then they wouldnt have these problems. 2Gig of ram dev kits anyone. Nintendo have no excuse either.
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#11 Javy03
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Good points Jayo its just hard for me to stay positive about my ps3 when I compare my 360 to ps3 games and see my ps3 just under performing when i expected my ps3 to wow me right outta the box like my 360 did with COD2. One things for sure i never expected a digital turd like gundam to be pooped outta my 600$ dollar console.

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Since when has any Gundam game been any good. I think people had unrealistic expectations. The 360 didnt wow me till GEOW. PDZ and COD2 were pretty but not Wow.
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Yeah resistance is great but I popped in gundam first and it made my heart drop to the pit of my stomach. I mostly use my ps3 as a web browser which is pretty damn good if you ask me.Ive used it to transfer alot of my media directly to my ps3 hdd which i nice cause i got tons of movies and tv shows burned to it.
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Gears of War and Resistance were worked on for about the same time....both games were the first developer's experience on the console.....GeOW came out first.
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Resistance turned to be a great launch game with Stunnin graphics and havin that much things going on at once in that 1 game should ruleWhiteknight19

You know that Kameo was a year earlier than Resistance and looks 10x better ?

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[QUOTE="OSCARMIKE"]Now I know some of you out there hate me because of the terrible act I commited to get my hands on a PS3 but im posting anyway. If ps3 would of launched in spring like it was suppose to woudnt the games released be twice as horrible as the ones we received at launch? It seems everyone claims 360 games look better because of the 1 year lead but it seems to me devs have had about equall time with both systems dev kits so what gives? Why isnt my ps3 crushing my 360 in graphics?LabWarrior1

Kameo puts EVERY launch PS3 game to shame really, i finished it some days back, and had played both Motorstorm and Resistance in a kiosk, Resistance was looking mediocre comparing, and motorstorm had nothing on Kameo too, it was so empty, Kameo was full of stuff and life and thousands of troops and effects and bump mapping etc, a work of art

So, comparing launch titles, 360 is far ahead in graphics, but PS3 is hardrer to develop for, so they should be equal in the end

Why do people praise Kameo. Kameo was not ugly but it did not blow away PS3s launch. Its animation was very cartoony and shiny. You wanna know the truth, the truth is Genji actually was prettier then Kameo. Yes as bad a game as Genji was not one critic could deny that it was a visually stunning game. There were alot of detaii and it easily beat out Kameo in animation, gameplay is a different story but Genji was prettier then Kameo.
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[QUOTE="OSCARMIKE"]Now I know some of you out there hate me because of the terrible act I commited to get my hands on a PS3 but im posting anyway. If ps3 would of launched in spring like it was suppose to woudnt the games released be twice as horrible as the ones we received at launch? It seems everyone claims 360 games look better because of the 1 year lead but it seems to me devs have had about equall time with both systems dev kits so what gives? Why isnt my ps3 crushing my 360 in graphics?Javy03

Kameo puts EVERY launch PS3 game to shame really, i finished it some days back, and had played both Motorstorm and Resistance in a kiosk, Resistance was looking mediocre comparing, and motorstorm had nothing on Kameo too, it was so empty, Kameo was full of stuff and life and thousands of troops and effects and bump mapping etc, a work of art

So, comparing launch titles, 360 is far ahead in graphics, but PS3 is hardrer to develop for, so they should be equal in the end

Why do people praise Kameo. Kameo was not ugly but it did not blow away PS3s launch. Its animation was very cartoony and shiny. You wanna know the truth, the truth is Genji actually was prettier then Kameo. Yes as bad a game as Genji was not one critic could deny that it was a visually stunning game. There were alot of detaii and it easily beat out Kameo in animation, gameplay is a different story but Genji was prettier then Kameo.

Genji ? That game looks generations behind Kameo, just uses many effects to impress, nothing like Kameo detail and alive world, you clearly have not played it, i was in that underwater level a few days back, the game is a stunner in every new stage, the best beeing the one with the red trees and yellow grasses, and the interactive water

The day/night cycle is also stunning to look at, i just load the game now to watch the sun go up/down in those beautifull spots, it is THAT great looking, frankly few games counter Kameo even on my 360, those would be Oblivion, GRAW 1, viva Pinata ands of course Gears, but most upcoming titles do surpass Kameo at last clearly

Play the game and you will understand, i was skeptical too at first, now that i have finisehd it, i can confirm it looks nothing short of spectacular, best parts beeing the underwater level, the red trees hub, the bad guy castle entrance, and a hge forest at some point, the desert level has sweet lighting too

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[QUOTE="OSCARMIKE"]Now I know some of you out there hate me because of the terrible act I commited to get my hands on a PS3 but im posting anyway. If ps3 would of launched in spring like it was suppose to woudnt the games released be twice as horrible as the ones we received at launch? It seems everyone claims 360 games look better because of the 1 year lead but it seems to me devs have had about equall time with both systems dev kits so what gives? Why isnt my ps3 crushing my 360 in graphics?_AsasN_
PS3 is harder to develop for, but both systems have similar potential. The devs say PS3 has more potential, but that's up to the developers to release it. For the most part, 360 and PS3 will be on the same level, but I think PS3 will have some pretty impressive stuff in this next year. FF XIII anyone?

It's obvious that the PS3 has more potential. Anybody saying otherwise needs to leave the cave they are living in. But potential doesn't make games. If the developers can't harness the power, then it doesn't matter what the potential is. It will be years before most of the PS3's potential is being harnessed.....much like the PS2.
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[QUOTE="_AsasN_"][QUOTE="OSCARMIKE"]Now I know some of you out there hate me because of the terrible act I commited to get my hands on a PS3 but im posting anyway. If ps3 would of launched in spring like it was suppose to woudnt the games released be twice as horrible as the ones we received at launch? It seems everyone claims 360 games look better because of the 1 year lead but it seems to me devs have had about equall time with both systems dev kits so what gives? Why isnt my ps3 crushing my 360 in graphics?eclipsed4utoo
PS3 is harder to develop for, but both systems have similar potential. The devs say PS3 has more potential, but that's up to the developers to release it. For the most part, 360 and PS3 will be on the same level, but I think PS3 will have some pretty impressive stuff in this next year. FF XIII anyone?

It's obvious that the PS3 has more potential. Anybody saying otherwise needs to leave the cave they are living in. But potential doesn't make games. If the developers can't harness the power, then it doesn't matter what the potential is. It will be years before most of the PS3's potential is being harnessed.....much like the PS2.

   Thats not the only thing, efficiency plays a big role in all of this "potential" talk, as far as graphics are concerned, their is major differences between the Xenos and RSX, the main being architecture, not only is the Xenos more powerfull than the RSX, it obliterates it in efficiency.

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the year is a big factor
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the year is a big factorSonnyF

Not as big as you think, not only is the 360 a graphical powerhouse, its MUCH easier to harness that power.

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[QUOTE="SonnyF"]the year is a big factorNagidar

Not as big as you think, not only is the 360 a graphical powerhouse, its MUCH easier to harness that power.



yes, the developers have trouble with designing the PS3 graphic(i think i heard that somewhere.) though there is no denying that is a factor, it takes time for developers to get used to the software
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#22 Nagidar
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[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="SonnyF"]the year is a big factorSonnyF

Not as big as you think, not only is the 360 a graphical powerhouse, its MUCH easier to harness that power.



yes, the developers have trouble with designing the PS3 graphic(i think i heard that somewhere.) though there is no denying that is a factor, it takes time for developers to get used to the software

Its not the RSX devs are having trouble with, its the Cell, like I said, the year lead isn't as big a factor as you think, the 360 has ALOT of graphical power and is easier to harness.

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Lets take this into consideration.

If 360 released a year later it would have had an upgrade on the hardware and/or full DX10 api, or maybe both, or maybe none, but I doubt none. It would have also had an amazing launch 20+ games? and it would have also had more developement time as well.

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Now I know some of you out there hate me because of the terrible act I commited to get my hands on a PS3 but im posting anyway. If ps3 would of launched in spring like it was suppose to woudnt the games released be twice as horrible as the ones we received at launch? It seems everyone claims 360 games look better because of the 1 year lead but it seems to me devs have had about equall time with both systems dev kits so what gives? Why isnt my ps3 crushing my 360 in graphics?OSCARMIKE
The problem is that the final dev kits were not given out until summer of 2006. That's more then a year after the 360 launched. It's not as if developers had the same timeline/hardware with each console.