360 is constantly heralded as an alternative to PC while Wii and PS3 are not

no it should be considered the same as a ps3 and the wii a console like all those before it.

The pc is a completely different entity

no it should be considered the same as a ps3 and the wii a console like all those before it.

The pc is a completely different entity

The fact that the 360 can be almost entirely replaced by another system is a good thing?XaosII

Your right! They don't call it the poor man's PC for nothing!

[QUOTE="XaosII"]The fact that the 360 can be almost entirely replaced by another system is a good thing?swaginator

To an extent, maybe. But the fact remains that the PC has more AAAE's and considerably more AAE's than the 360. The PC, to a good extent, is a superset of the 360. You can't say that the 360 is a superset of the PC.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]The fact that the 360 can be almost entirely replaced by another system is a good thing?swaginator

No it can't. No system has the power to run games like Crysis,and considering there are dozens of exclusives that no console has or will ever get,the PC cannot be replaced as of now.

The fact that the 360 can be almost entirely replaced by another system is a good thing?XaosII

No. It's mostly an irrelevant thing.

Because the overwhelming majority of console owners don't game on PCs. Therefore, it is irrelevant to those people.

Just like the largely false hermit argument about 360 games going to PC as a reason for not buying a PC. Largely false because they weren't going to buy a 360 anyway.

A. Either you are a hermit and PCs games are da bomb and all console games are by definition inferior crap...in which case you are spouting a false argument about the 360...you aren't buying one period.

B. Or there's some merit to consoles and their games, in and of themselves. In which case, the vast majority of 360s games are not on the PC and there is a reason to buy one.

If you then retreat to the view that only a few games are worth playing and they are better on the PC then you are category A.

In any case, most console players are like me...the PC is dead to them. Ergo, what games you get is irrelevant. For most of you hermits the reverse is true.

The market is big enough for both.

So shouldn't that make 360 a step above the rest, since it can most closely duplicate what you can do on PC, better than any console ever before it?shsonline

I fail to see how a console that can only imitate another is better than two consoles that manage to set themselves apart.

Need one, TC?

The fact that the 360 can be almost entirely replaced by another system is a good thing?XaosII

the 360 is more better off than the PS3 which at this point is exactly like the 360 in games with the exception of 4 AAE titles. The 360 leads in AAAE, and AAE titles but its always considered to be a PC clone even though it offers more than any other consoles, that doesnt make much sense.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]The fact that the 360 can be almost entirely replaced by another system is a good thing?opex07

the 360 is more better off than the PS3 which at this point is exactly like the 360 in games with the exception of 4 AAE titles. The 360 leads in AAAE, and AAE titles but its always considered to be a PC clone even though it offers more than any other consoles, that doesnt make much sense.

Mainly because it's essentially a closed PC system, you know Xbox stems from DirectX Box?, PS3 has that crazy cell thing going on, and Wii has that crazy GC programming thing going on.

[QUOTE="shsonline"]So shouldn't that make 360 a step above the rest, since it can most closely duplicate what you can do on PC, better than any console ever before it?mjarantilla

I fail to see how a console that can only imitate another is better than two consoles that manage to set themselves apart.

take a look at the exclusive count for each system and tell me what you see.

From what I've played of my 360, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's nowhere near the same experience as my PC. And from what I've played of my PS3, again if I'm wrong, it's not much different than my 360. From what I've played of the Wii (don't own one but have borrowed a friends to play SM:G and Z:TP) it's totally different than anthing else.

If I look at specs, the PS3 more closely matches a PC since the extra processors in the cell more closely resemble add-on cards than anything else, coupled with the fact that it's dependent on having a hard disk to function and a web browser and support for keyboard/mouse, I'd say that it was just a spruced-up, underpowered PC (think Apple). So far, of the PS3 and 360, I've done nothing but play games on my 360, but have used my PS3 to stream media, surf the web from my couch and play games, lots of neat tricks, but doesn't exactly scream "gaming only". If I had to say that one was really stepping in on the PC, the PS3 is definetly the one I'm looking at.

THe pc is god you shall have no console before it as it is a sin punishable by crappy gimped ports and a lack of AAA and AA games. If I had to pick a wii as my only gaming choice I would leave gaming forever what nintendo has turned into makes me sick. This comes from a guy that owned ever nintendo console from the nes to the cube the wii is anti- hardcore trash for the casual gamer who does not know better.

I would rather stick with a 360 that broke down monthy than a wii (unless it has all the calssic dl'd games on it).

ps3 is alot more like pc in my opinion.. free online, mods, keyboard and mouse to play games like UT3, internet browser, etc

they only call 360 the poor mans pc is because all of 360s good games can be played on pc. bioshock, gears, soon mass effect, etc

ps3 is alot more like pc in my opinion.. free online, mods, keyboard and mouse to play games like UT3, internet browser, ps3 uses a standard laptop hardrive, you can use some pc usb headsets for ps3 etc

they only call 360 the poor mans pc is because all of 360s good games can be played on pc. bioshock, gears, soon mass effect, etc

ps3 is alot more like pc in my opinion.. free online, mods, keyboard and mouse to play games like UT3, internet browser, ps3 uses a standard laptop hardrive, you can use some pc usb headsets for ps3 etc

they only call 360 the poor mans pc is because all of 360s good games can be played on pc. bioshock, gears, soon mass effect, etc

Arsenal325

ok your paying for internet you know.

[QUOTE="Arsenal325"]

ps3 is alot more like pc in my opinion.. free online, mods, keyboard and mouse to play games like UT3, internet browser, ps3 uses a standard laptop hardrive, you can use some pc usb headsets for ps3 etc

they only call 360 the poor mans pc is because all of 360s good games can be played on pc. bioshock, gears, soon mass effect, etc

Games-Sage

ok your paying for internet you know.

i know. so im glad i dont have to pay more for online gaming. im glad i get that for free on my 2 systems

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="shsonline"]So shouldn't that make 360 a step above the rest, since it can most closely duplicate what you can do on PC, better than any console ever before it?CaseyWegner

I fail to see how a console that can only imitate another is better than two consoles that manage to set themselves apart.

take a look at the exclusive count for each system and tell me what you see.

I see that the PS3 has no AAA exclusives but will be having some huge ones by the end of this year, and the 360 has the same number of AAA exclusives in two and a half years that the Wii has in just one and a half. Fewer, if you consider that Halo 3 will be on the PC just like its predecessors.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="shsonline"]So shouldn't that make 360 a step above the rest, since it can most closely duplicate what you can do on PC, better than any console ever before it?CaseyWegner

I fail to see how a console that can only imitate another is better than two consoles that manage to set themselves apart.

take a look at the exclusive count for each system and tell me what you see.

I see that the 360 has the same number of AAA exclusives in two and a half years that the Wii has in just one and a half. Fewer, if you consider that Halo 3 will be on the PC just like its predecessors. As for the PS3, can't do much about its AAAE count, but at least it's varying up its library with games that AREN'T scifi/military games.

I see that the 360 has the same number of AAA exclusives in two and a half years that the Wii has in just one and a half. Fewer, if you consider that Halo 3 will be on the PC just like its predecessors. As for the PS3, can't do much about its AAAE count, but at least it's varying up its library with games that AREN'T scifi/military games.

mjarantilla

PS3 games:

Warhawk-SciFi/Military

MGS4-SciFi/Military

Killzone 2-SciFi/Military

Haze SciFi/Military

Resistance 1 SciFi/Military

Resistance 2 SciFi/Military

Ratchet and Clank-SciFi

Socom-military

etc..

Anyways the 360 still has more than double the amount of AAEs as the Wii and an overall library that far surpasses the Wii.

So shouldn't that make 360 a step above the rest, since it can most closely duplicate what you can do on PC, better than any console ever before it?shsonline

So shouldn't that make 360 a step above the rest, since it can most closely duplicate what you can do on PC, better than any console ever before it?shsonline

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

I see that the 360 has the same number of AAA exclusives in two and a half years that the Wii has in just one and a half. Fewer, if you consider that Halo 3 will be on the PC just like its predecessors. As for the PS3, can't do much about its AAAE count, but at least it's varying up its library with games that AREN'T scifi/military games.

opex07

PS3 games:

Warhawk-SciFi/Military

MGS4-SciFi/Military

Killzone 2-SciFi/Military

Haze SciFi/Military

Resistance 1 SciFi/Military

Resistance 2 SciFi/Military

Ratchet and Clank-SciFi

Socom-military

etc..

Anyways the 360 still has more than double the amount of AAEs as the Wii and an overall library that far surpasses the Wii.

You really consider Ratchet & Clank to be scifi? Did you consider Robots (the Pixar movie) to be a scifi movie? I considered both to be more fantastical (not fantasy).

And however many you might name, the 360 still has more. And you completely leave out God of War, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Final Fantasy (although this might be scifi....), White Knight Story, etc., which is what I was referring to. The only non-scifi/military game the 360's has are JRPGs and Ninja Gaiden II, and its JRPGs have been largely mediocre.

[QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

I see that the 360 has the same number of AAA exclusives in two and a half years that the Wii has in just one and a half. Fewer, if you consider that Halo 3 will be on the PC just like its predecessors. As for the PS3, can't do much about its AAAE count, but at least it's varying up its library with games that AREN'T scifi/military games.

mjarantilla

PS3 games:

Warhawk-SciFi/Military

MGS4-SciFi/Military

Killzone 2-SciFi/Military

Haze SciFi/Military

Resistance 1 SciFi/Military

Resistance 2 SciFi/Military

Ratchet and Clank-SciFi

Socom-military

etc..

Anyways the 360 still has more than double the amount of AAEs as the Wii and an overall library that far surpasses the Wii.

You really consider Ratchet & Clank to be scifi? Did you consider Robots (the Pixar movie) to be a scifi movie? I considered both to be more fantastical (not fantasy).

And however many you might name, the 360 still has more. And you completely leave out God of War, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Final Fantasy (although this might be scifi....), White Knight Story, etc., which is what I was referring to. The only non-scifi/military game the 360's has are JRPGs and Ninja Gaiden II, and its JRPGs have been largely mediocre.

Well in earlier Ratchet and clank games (havent played the newest) you spent most of your time flying through space and fighting robots that seems pretty SciFi, and the game is largely focused on the different types of weapons.

360:

Kameo, Viva Pinata, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Forza, PGR3, PGR4, DoA4, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, MotoGP, and thats just released titles futre titles include Banjo 3, Ninja Gaiden, Infinite Undiscovery, Cry On, Tales of Vesperia, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Age of Conan, Left4Dead, Dead Island, etc... I can probably keep on going, but I doubt that you can come up with a list of more games for PS3 that are already out or comming out in 08

You really consider Ratchet & Clank to be scifi? Did you consider Robots (the Pixar movie) to be a scifi movie? I considered both to be more fantastical (not fantasy).

And however many you might name, the 360 still has more. And you completely leave out God of War, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Final Fantasy (although this might be scifi....), White Knight Story, etc., which is what I was referring to. The only non-scifi/military game the 360's has are JRPGs and Ninja Gaiden II, and its JRPGs have been largely mediocre.

mjarantilla

Well in earlier Ratchet and clank games (havent played the newest) you spent most of your time flying through space and fighting robots that seems pretty SciFi, and the game is largely focused on the different types of weapons.

360:

Kameo, Viva Pinata, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Forza, PGR3, PGR4, DoA4, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, MotoGP, and thats just released titles futre titles include Banjo 3, Ninja Gaiden, Infinite Undiscovery, Cry On, Tales of Vesperia, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Age of Conan, Left4Dead, Dead Island, etc... I can probably keep on going, but I doubt that you can come up with a list of more games for PS3 that are already out or comming out in 08

[QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

I see that the 360 has the same number of AAA exclusives in two and a half years that the Wii has in just one and a half. Fewer, if you consider that Halo 3 will be on the PC just like its predecessors. As for the PS3, can't do much about its AAAE count, but at least it's varying up its library with games that AREN'T scifi/military games.

mjarantilla

PS3 games:

Warhawk-SciFi/Military

MGS4-SciFi/Military

Killzone 2-SciFi/Military

Haze SciFi/Military

Resistance 1 SciFi/Military

Resistance 2 SciFi/Military

Ratchet and Clank-SciFi

Socom-military

etc..

Anyways the 360 still has more than double the amount of AAEs as the Wii and an overall library that far surpasses the Wii.

You really consider Ratchet & Clank to be scifi? Did you consider Robots (the Pixar movie) to be a scifi movie? I considered both to be more fantastical (not fantasy).

And however many you might name, the 360 still has more. And you completely leave out God of War, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Final Fantasy (although this might be scifi....), White Knight Story, etc., which is what I was referring to. The only non-scifi/military game the 360's has are JRPGs and Ninja Gaiden II, and its JRPGs have been largely mediocre.

Fable 2, DOA4, Crackdown, Dead Rising, Kameo, Banjo Kazooie 3, Halo Wars (RTS), Infinate Undiscovery, Splintercell Conviction etc. I could list games all day that ARE NOT military/SciFi but people already have this false assumption in their mind that the 360 ONLY has PC ports, shooters and SciFi games when in reality PS3 has the same amount and 360 has a wider range of games that no one even sees.

You really consider Ratchet & Clank to be scifi? Did you consider Robots (the Pixar movie) to be a scifi movie? I considered both to be more fantastical (not fantasy).

And however many you might name, the 360 still has more. And you completely leave out God of War, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Final Fantasy (although this might be scifi....), White Knight Story, etc., which is what I was referring to. The only non-scifi/military game the 360's has are JRPGs and Ninja Gaiden II, and its JRPGs have been largely mediocre.

Fable 2, DOA4, Crackdown, Dead Rising, Kameo, Banjo Kazooie 3, Tales Of Vesparia, Infinate Undiscovery, Splintercell Conviction etc. I could list games all day that ARE NOT military/SciFi but people already have this false assumption in their mind that the 360 ONLY has PC ports, shooters and SciFi games when in reality PS3 has the same amount and 360 has a wider range of games that no one even sees.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

I see that the 360 has the same number of AAA exclusives in two and a half years that the Wii has in just one and a half. Fewer, if you consider that Halo 3 will be on the PC just like its predecessors. As for the PS3, can't do much about its AAAE count, but at least it's varying up its library with games that AREN'T scifi/military games.

ZanyIce

PS3 games:

Warhawk-SciFi/Military

MGS4-SciFi/Military

Killzone 2-SciFi/Military

Haze SciFi/Military

Resistance 1 SciFi/Military

Resistance 2 SciFi/Military

Ratchet and Clank-SciFi

Socom-military

etc..

Anyways the 360 still has more than double the amount of AAEs as the Wii and an overall library that far surpasses the Wii.

You really consider Ratchet & Clank to be scifi? Did you consider Robots (the Pixar movie) to be a scifi movie? I considered both to be more fantastical (not fantasy).

And however many you might name, the 360 still has more. And you completely leave out God of War, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Final Fantasy (although this might be scifi....), White Knight Story, etc., which is what I was referring to. The only non-scifi/military game the 360's has are JRPGs and Ninja Gaiden II, and its JRPGs have been largely mediocre.

Fable 2, DOA4, Crackdown, Dead Rising, Kameo, Banjo Kazooie 3, Halo Wars (RTS), Infinate Undiscovery, Splintercell Conviction etc. I could list games all day that ARE NOT military/SciFi but people already have this false assumption in their mind that the 360 ONLY has PC ports, shooters and SciFi games when in reality PS3 has the same amount and 360 has a wider range of games that no one even sees.

Crackdown? Halo Wars? Splinter Cell? Are you high? These ARE scifi/military games. :roll: Strictly speaking, even Dead Rising is scifi, but I won't count it as such because it's obviously not meant to appeal to a scifi crowd. And Infinite Undiscovery is a JRPG, which is exactly what I said.

As for Fable 2, DOA4, Kameo, and BK3, so? They are exceptions to the rule, and the rule is still vastly encompassing. The PS3 still has a far stronger lineup of non-scifi/military games than the 360. For every non-scifi/military game you can name for the 360, you can probably name two or three for the PS3.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

You really consider Ratchet & Clank to be scifi? Did you consider Robots (the Pixar movie) to be a scifi movie? I considered both to be more fantastical (not fantasy).

And however many you might name, the 360 still has more. And you completely leave out God of War, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Final Fantasy (although this might be scifi....), White Knight Story, etc., which is what I was referring to. The only non-scifi/military game the 360's has are JRPGs and Ninja Gaiden II, and its JRPGs have been largely mediocre.

opex07

Well in earlier Ratchet and clank games (havent played the newest) you spent most of your time flying through space and fighting robots that seems pretty SciFi, and the game is largely focused on the different types of weapons.

360:

Kameo, Viva Pinata, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Forza, PGR3, PGR4, DoA4, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, MotoGP, and thats just released titles futre titles include Banjo 3, Ninja Gaiden, Infinite Undiscovery, Cry On, Tales of Vesperia, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Age of Conan, Left4Dead, Dead Island, etc... I can probably keep on going, but I doubt that you can come up with a list of more games for PS3 that are already out or comming out in 08

Notice how half of your "already released" list consists of RACING GAMES and, just like I said, JRPGs. As for your FUTURE titles, again, half of them are JRPGs. How does that help your argument? You're still demonstrating a much higher rate of homogeneity for the 360 than for the PS3, which at least already has non-scifi/military games already out or about to be released spanning several gameplay styles.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]The fact that the 360 can be almost entirely replaced by another system is a good thing?SUD123456

No. It's mostly an irrelevant thing.

Because the overwhelming majority of console owners don't game on PCs. Therefore, it is irrelevant to those people.

Just like the largely false hermit argument about 360 games going to PC as a reason for not buying a PC. Largely false because they weren't going to buy a 360 anyway.

A. Either you are a hermit and PCs games are da bomb and all console games are by definition inferior crap...in which case you are spouting a false argument about the 360...you aren't buying one period.

B. Or there's some merit to consoles and their games, in and of themselves. In which case, the vast majority of 360s games are not on the PC and there is a reason to buy one.

If you then retreat to the view that only a few games are worth playing and they are better on the PC then you are category A.

In any case, most console players are like me...the PC is dead to them. Ergo, what games you get is irrelevant. For most of you hermits the reverse is true.

The market is big enough for both.

The evidence of your claims is amazing.

I mean, lack of evidence.

[QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

You really consider Ratchet & Clank to be scifi? Did you consider Robots (the Pixar movie) to be a scifi movie? I considered both to be more fantastical (not fantasy).

And however many you might name, the 360 still has more. And you completely leave out God of War, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Final Fantasy (although this might be scifi....), White Knight Story, etc., which is what I was referring to. The only non-scifi/military game the 360's has are JRPGs and Ninja Gaiden II, and its JRPGs have been largely mediocre.

mjarantilla

Well in earlier Ratchet and clank games (havent played the newest) you spent most of your time flying through space and fighting robots that seems pretty SciFi, and the game is largely focused on the different types of weapons.

360:

Kameo, Viva Pinata, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Forza, PGR3, PGR4, DoA4, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, MotoGP, and thats just released titles futre titles include Banjo 3, Ninja Gaiden, Infinite Undiscovery, Cry On, Tales of Vesperia, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Age of Conan, Left4Dead, Dead Island, etc... I can probably keep on going, but I doubt that you can come up with a list of more games for PS3 that are already out or comming out in 08

Notice how half of your "already released" list consists of RACING GAMES and, just like I said, JRPGs. As for your FUTURE titles, again, half of them are JRPGs. How does that help your argument? You're still demonstrating a much higher rate of homogeneity for the 360 than for the PS3, which at least already has non-scifi/military games already out or about to be released spanning several gameplay styles.

Only 6 out of the 22 titles I included were JRPGs

Why does it matter if they are JRPGs, what does that have to do with your "SciFi/Military" argument. You included JRPGs for the PS3, so I guess its ok for the PS3 but not 360? but anyways can you even name more for the PS3?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

You really consider Ratchet & Clank to be scifi? Did you consider Robots (the Pixar movie) to be a scifi movie? I considered both to be more fantastical (not fantasy).

And however many you might name, the 360 still has more. And you completely leave out God of War, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Final Fantasy (although this might be scifi....), White Knight Story, etc., which is what I was referring to. The only non-scifi/military game the 360's has are JRPGs and Ninja Gaiden II, and its JRPGs have been largely mediocre.

opex07

Well in earlier Ratchet and clank games (havent played the newest) you spent most of your time flying through space and fighting robots that seems pretty SciFi, and the game is largely focused on the different types of weapons.

360:

Kameo, Viva Pinata, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Forza, PGR3, PGR4, DoA4, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, MotoGP, and thats just released titles futre titles include Banjo 3, Ninja Gaiden, Infinite Undiscovery, Cry On, Tales of Vesperia, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Age of Conan, Left4Dead, Dead Island, etc... I can probably keep on going, but I doubt that you can come up with a list of more games for PS3 that are already out or comming out in 08

Notice how half of your "already released" list consists of RACING GAMES and, just like I said, JRPGs. As for your FUTURE titles, again, half of them are JRPGs. How does that help your argument? You're still demonstrating a much higher rate of homogeneity for the 360 than for the PS3, which at least already has non-scifi/military games already out or about to be released spanning several gameplay styles.

Only 6 out of the 22 titles I included were JRPGs

Why does it matter if they are JRPGs, what does that have to do with your "SciFi/Military" argument. You included JRPGs for the PS3, so I guess its ok for the PS3 but not 360? but anyways can you even name more for the PS3?

Also the PS3 only has Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Folklore that are non-SciFi/military games that are currently available, how is that better than Forza2, PGR 3, PGR4, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Do4, Blue Dragon, Lost odyssey, Coldcept Saga, Viva pinata, Kameo, MotoGP, Eternal Sonata.

[QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

You really consider Ratchet & Clank to be scifi? Did you consider Robots (the Pixar movie) to be a scifi movie? I considered both to be more fantastical (not fantasy).

And however many you might name, the 360 still has more. And you completely leave out God of War, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Final Fantasy (although this might be scifi....), White Knight Story, etc., which is what I was referring to. The only non-scifi/military game the 360's has are JRPGs and Ninja Gaiden II, and its JRPGs have been largely mediocre.

mjarantilla

Well in earlier Ratchet and clank games (havent played the newest) you spent most of your time flying through space and fighting robots that seems pretty SciFi, and the game is largely focused on the different types of weapons.

360:

Kameo, Viva Pinata, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Forza, PGR3, PGR4, DoA4, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, MotoGP, and thats just released titles futre titles include Banjo 3, Ninja Gaiden, Infinite Undiscovery, Cry On, Tales of Vesperia, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Age of Conan, Left4Dead, Dead Island, etc... I can probably keep on going, but I doubt that you can come up with a list of more games for PS3 that are already out or comming out in 08

Notice how half of your "already released" list consists of RACING GAMES and, just like I said, JRPGs. As for your FUTURE titles, again, half of them are JRPGs. How does that help your argument? You're still demonstrating a much higher rate of homogeneity for the 360 than for the PS3, which at least already has non-scifi/military games already out or about to be released spanning several gameplay styles.

Only 6 out of the 22 titles I included were JRPGs

Why does it matter if they are JRPGs, what does that have to do with your "SciFi/Military" argument. You included JRPGs for the PS3, so I guess its ok for the PS3 but not 360? but anyways can you even name more for the PS3?

The PS3 only has Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, and Folklore that are non-SciFi/military games that are currently available, how is that better than Forza2, PGR 3, PGR4, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Do4, Blue Dragon, Lost odyssey, Coldcept Saga, Viva pinata, Kameo, MotoGP, Eternal Sonata, Naruto

Also for your homogeneity comment all of the current titles for the PS3 that are not SciFi/Military are all action adventure games, but once again I guess its okay for the PS3 to get away with things.

[QUOTE="opex07"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]The fact that the 360 can be almost entirely replaced by another system is a good thing?thrones

the 360 is more better off than the PS3 which at this point is exactly like the 360 in games with the exception of 4 AAE titles. The 360 leads in AAAE, and AAE titles but its always considered to be a PC clone even though it offers more than any other consoles, that doesnt make much sense.

Mainly because it's essentially a closed PC system, you know Xbox stems from DirectX Box?, PS3 has that crazy cell thing going on, and Wii has that crazy GC programming thing going on.

essentially ever console is a closed PC system, that is why all development begins on the PC.

take a look at the exclusive count for each system and tell me what you see.

CaseyWegner

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="shsonline"]So shouldn't that make 360 a step above the rest, since it can most closely duplicate what you can do on PC, better than any console ever before it?CaseyWegner

I fail to see how a console that can only imitate another is better than two consoles that manage to set themselves apart.

take a look at the exclusive count for each system and tell me what you see.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="shsonline"]So shouldn't that make 360 a step above the rest, since it can most closely duplicate what you can do on PC, better than any console ever before it?mjarantilla

I fail to see how a console that can only imitate another is better than two consoles that manage to set themselves apart.

take a look at the exclusive count for each system and tell me what you see.

I see that the 360 has the same number of AAA exclusives in two and a half years that the Wii has in just one and a half. Fewer, if you consider that Halo 3 will be on the PC just like its predecessors. As for the PS3, can't do much about its AAAE count, but at least it's varying up its library with games that AREN'T scifi/military games.

oh. so you didn't look. :?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

You really consider Ratchet & Clank to be scifi? Did you consider Robots (the Pixar movie) to be a scifi movie? I considered both to be more fantastical (not fantasy).

And however many you might name, the 360 still has more. And you completely leave out God of War, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Final Fantasy (although this might be scifi....), White Knight Story, etc., which is what I was referring to. The only non-scifi/military game the 360's has are JRPGs and Ninja Gaiden II, and its JRPGs have been largely mediocre.

opex07

Well in earlier Ratchet and clank games (havent played the newest) you spent most of your time flying through space and fighting robots that seems pretty SciFi, and the game is largely focused on the different types of weapons.

360:

Kameo, Viva Pinata, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Forza, PGR3, PGR4, DoA4, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, MotoGP, and thats just released titles futre titles include Banjo 3, Ninja Gaiden, Infinite Undiscovery, Cry On, Tales of Vesperia, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Age of Conan, Left4Dead, Dead Island, etc... I can probably keep on going, but I doubt that you can come up with a list of more games for PS3 that are already out or comming out in 08

Notice how half of your "already released" list consists of RACING GAMES and, just like I said, JRPGs. As for your FUTURE titles, again, half of them are JRPGs. How does that help your argument? You're still demonstrating a much higher rate of homogeneity for the 360 than for the PS3, which at least already has non-scifi/military games already out or about to be released spanning several gameplay styles.

Only 6 out of the 22 titles I included were JRPGs

Why does it matter if they are JRPGs, what does that have to do with your "SciFi/Military" argument. You included JRPGs for the PS3, so I guess its ok for the PS3 but not 360? but anyways can you even name more for the PS3?

The PS3 only has Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, and Folklore that are non-SciFi/military games that are currently available, how is that better than Forza2, PGR 3, PGR4, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Do4, Blue Dragon, Lost odyssey, Coldcept Saga, Viva pinata, Kameo, MotoGP, Eternal Sonata, Naruto

Also for your homogeneity comment all of the current titles for the PS3 that are not SciFi/Military are all action adventure games, but once again I guess its okay for the PS3 to get away with things.

I'm trying to argue lack of variety here. Making up for an overabundance in one genre by having an overabundance in ANOTHER genre doesn (fantasy JRPG) 't really help your case.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="shsonline"]So shouldn't that make 360 a step above the rest, since it can most closely duplicate what you can do on PC, better than any console ever before it?CaseyWegner

I fail to see how a console that can only imitate another is better than two consoles that manage to set themselves apart.

take a look at the exclusive count for each system and tell me what you see.

I see that the 360 has the same number of AAA exclusives in two and a half years that the Wii has in just one and a half. Fewer, if you consider that Halo 3 will be on the PC just like its predecessors. As for the PS3, can't do much about its AAAE count, but at least it's varying up its library with games that AREN'T scifi/military games.

oh. so you didn't look. :?

Oh, so you want me to count the so-so exclusives, too? Sorry, there are too many so-so titles on the 360 to count. ;)

I'm right about the AAA exclusives, though.

For me its about games. The PC has the most AAAE and AAE games.

Thats not opinion its fact.

I'm trying to argue lack of variety here. Making up for an overabundance in one genre by having an overabundance in ANOTHER genre doesn (fantasy JRPG) 't really help your case.

mjarantilla

How is 4 titles out of the 14 I named an over abundance? I even pointed out how every exclusive title currently out for the PS3 that isn't a Scifi/Military tittle is an action adventure tittle, which would be an over abundance, but I guess once again that doesn't matter...

The 360 has the most diverse library out of the three consoles at this time, so I dont see what you are tying to get at.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

I'm trying to argue lack of variety here. Making up for an overabundance in one genre by having an overabundance in ANOTHER genre doesn (fantasy JRPG) 't really help your case.

opex07

How is 4 titles out of the 14 I named an over abundance? I even pointed out how every exclusive title currently out for the PS3 that isn't a Scifi/Military tittle is an action adventure tittle, which would be an over abundance, but I guess once again that doesn't matter...

The 360 has the most diverse library out of the three consoles at this time, so I dont see what you are tying to get at.

Action-adventure is such a broad genre that it's virtually meaningless as a form of identification. Tomb Raider is an action adventure, but so is Devil May Cry, and Legend of Zelda, and Okami, and God of War. Pretty much any game that is played from the third person and doesn't have a targeting reticle can be called an action-adventure.

And yes, 6 out of 22 is an overabundance. Actually, if you exclude the racing games (because those are incremental games like Madden, and do not add to a console's diversity), then it's 6 out of 18. You have six examples of one genre, and six OTHER genres with only one or two examples each. You don't consider that an overabundance?

If you made a pie chart of Xbox 360 games, you'd have four BIG regions (sports, racing, JRPG, military/scifi shooters), and a whole bunch of teensy tiny little ones. That's the ery definition of "overabundance."

Oh, so you want me to count the so-so exclusives, too? Sorry, there are too many so-so titles on the 360 to count. ;)

I'm right about the AAA exclusives, though.

mjarantilla

AAs are so-so?

seeing as the 360 is a different lineup than the PC. In most games,

Not to mention the tone of multiplats that sprawl across all systems including PC's.

They all work completly differently