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#1 akuma303x
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I got the Elite in hopes the HDMI would be better looking after asking numerous fans on this site about the advantages of both. Let me say this, If you have a premium 360 and want an elite just for HDMI....DONT. unless you have a fairly older HDTV, That does not let you access the options through VGA, Keep the premium. Because I can now officially say, The VGA through a good HDTV looks better. At least I got the HDD I guess. thanks to Rock303 who was the only person to say VGA would produce a better picture. It's nice to see 1 guy know something.
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#2 ccgod
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um no VGA is really bad compared to HDMI, i can't say for sure about the xbox cuz my games haven't got here yet but i played the condememed demo and it looked f***ing amazing through HDMI.

I have a 24" HDMI 1080p monitor 

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I have a 56" LCD 1080P TV, when you go up to larger resolutions its actually slightly better with HDMI but it really just depends if you have the connections or not. The difference between VGA, HDMI and Comp isn't as much as people make it out to be, its a crisper image in hdmi then the other two, but not a breathtaking difference, its small.
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#4 ccgod
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I could see the DVI cable being close to HDMI but not VGA, VGA came out in the 80's
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Sure we have only been getting those 'HD' resolutions on pc's for years now, it must be s***!!  From every comparision I have seen there is barely any difference between them, they do exactly the same resolutions as each other just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH at this hd buzz word c***
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#6 coolviper2003
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I could see the DVI cable being close to HDMI but not VGA, VGA came out in the 80'sccgod

Sorry to burst your bubble, VGA is pretty much as good as DVI and HDMI. Only the sharpest of eyes could tell the difference and even then it's very minimal.

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#7 demoralizer
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The results seem to vary from HDTV to native res.
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#8 ccgod
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[QUOTE="ccgod"]I could see the DVI cable being close to HDMI but not VGA, VGA came out in the 80'scoolviper2003

Sorry to burst your bubble, VGA is pretty much as good as DVI and HDMI. Only the sharpest of eyes could tell the difference and even then it's very minimal. 

good thing i got 20/20

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#9 HyperMetaDragon
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WTF? HDMI will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS look better than VGA. My, oh my. If it looks worse with HDMI, than it's the TV you're using.

Don't be angry that you wasted money on an Elite and make up stuff like this. 

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#10 coolviper2003
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[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]

[QUOTE="ccgod"]I could see the DVI cable being close to HDMI but not VGA, VGA came out in the 80'sccgod

Sorry to burst your bubble, VGA is pretty much as good as DVI and HDMI. Only the sharpest of eyes could tell the difference and even then it's very minimal. 

good thing i got 20/20

Put it this way, my LCD monitor has both a VGA and DVI connection in the rear. My graphics card supports both connections. VGA looks just as good as DVI. I can't tell the difference at all, and if there is one it's so small that it's not even worth pointing out.
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Put it this way, my LCD monitor has both a VGA and DVI connection in the rear. My graphics card supports both connections. VGA looks just as good as DVI. I can't tell the difference at all, and if there is one it's so small that it's not even worth pointing out. coolviper2003
Try it with text.  I have two identical 19" LCD monitors on my desk; one hooked up with DVI and another with VGA.  I can easily tell which is which - I just open a C# file on each.  The DVI monitor is far sharper with text, but with video, the difference is far less significant.
If you have an all-digital signal chain (including display device) then HDMI will look better.  If you have an analog display device, then just make sure that once you convert digital to analog, you don't go back.  (Sometimes your TV will do some digital signal processing internally, so beware.)  I've got a DLP, so it makes sense for me to use an Elite, and it looks better than my regular 360 did over component, though not massively so.
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#13 coolviper2003
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[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]Put it this way, my LCD monitor has both a VGA and DVI connection in the rear. My graphics card supports both connections. VGA looks just as good as DVI. I can't tell the difference at all, and if there is one it's so small that it's not even worth pointing out. lowe0
Try it with text.  I have two identical 19" LCD monitors on my desk; one hooked up with DVI and another with VGA.  I can easily tell which is which - I just open a C# file on each.  The DVI monitor is far sharper with text, but with video, the difference is far less significant.
If you have an all-digital signal chain (including display device) then HDMI will look better.  If you have an analog display device, then just make sure that once you convert digital to analog, you don't go back.  (Sometimes your TV will do some digital signal processing internally, so beware.)  I've got a DLP, so it makes sense for me to use an Elite, and it looks better than my regular 360 did over component, though not massively so.

I have, and it looks the same to me. Not all monitors are built the same it seems. And really, saying DVI is better then VGA, while true, is also being really really nit picky. VGA produces a really nice picture and it's not like text is illegible using VGA. I'm not arguing that VGA is better, I'm arguing that HDMI and DVI doesn't make VGA look outdated, and in most cases most people can't tell the difference anyway. Unless you're a videophile, then why would you really care if HDMI/DVI at times can look a little better then VGA?
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HDMI is superior to all connections at the moment.
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People make it out like digital vs analog output is a night and day difference.  I would be willing to put money on it that two display side by side they couldn't tell the difference.  A lot of depends on the quality of the monitor not just it's imput source.  You will still get better color out of a analog output on CRT than digital.  HDMI 1.3 is getting a higher spectrum and future TFT Digital HDTVs may improve on this.
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#16 rexoverbey
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People make it out like digital vs analog output is a night and day difference.  I would be willing to put money on it that two displays side by side they couldn't tell the difference.  A lot of depends on the quality of the monitor not just it's input source.  You will still get better color out of a analog output on CRT than digital.  HDMI 1.3 is getting a higher spectrum and future TFT Digital HDTVs may improve on this.

Isn't Digital Just Better?

It is often supposed by writers on this subject that "digital is better." Digital signal transfer, it is assumed, is error-free, while analog signals are always subject to some amount of degradation and information loss. There is an element of truth to this argument, but it tends to fly in the face of real-world considerations. First, there is no reason why any perceptible degradation of an analog component video signal should occur even over rather substantial distances; the maximum runs in home theater installations do not present a challenge for analog cabling built to professional standards. Second, it is a flawed assumption to suppose that digital signal handling is always error-free. DVI and HDMI signals aren't subject to error correction; once information is lost, it's lost for good. That is not a consideration with well-made cable over short distances, but can easily become a factor at distance.

So, which is better, HDMI or component? The answer--unsatisfying, perhaps, but true--is that it depends. It depends upon your source and display devices, and there's no good way, in principle, to say in advance whether the digital or the analog connection will render a better picture. You may even find, say, that your DVD player looks better through its HDMI output, while your satellite or cable box looks better through its component output, on the same display. In this case, there's no real substitute for simply plugging it in and giving it a try both ways.

 http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/dvihdmicomponent.htm

 

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#17 akuma303x
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I see. lol! You guys are all wrong. It all depends on the TV and the quality of the connection. If you get a really good tv there is no difference. except the VGA has smoother lines, Darker Blacks and more astounding color. ( the color is up to your tv). If you get a tv with a crappy HDMI connection even component will look better. It's sad how many people think they know so much about this topic. I have a westinghouse LVM 37w3 1080p 37" HDTV. And the only thing that looks better are HD-DVD movies. For games the VGA looks better. Guess how I know? I have an elite. wow!
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um no VGA is really bad compared to HDMI, i can't say for sure about the xbox cuz my games haven't got here yet but i played the condememed demo and it looked f***ing amazing through HDMI.

I have a 24" HDMI 1080p monitor 

ccgod
There is no discernable difference, especially on a set that small.  You just played a gorgeous demo.  Go play the Eragon demo and tell me how great that HDMI looks. 
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#19 akuma303x
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[QUOTE="ccgod"]

um no VGA is really bad compared to HDMI, i can't say for sure about the xbox cuz my games haven't got here yet but i played the condememed demo and it looked f***ing amazing through HDMI.

I have a 24" HDMI 1080p monitor 

donalbane
There is no discernable difference, especially on a set that small.  You just played a gorgeous demo.  Go play the Eragon demo and tell me how great that HDMI looks. 

:lol: eragon. but your right. there is no visible difference on a screen that small.
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#20 ccgod
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:lol:[QUOTE="donalbane"][QUOTE="ccgod"]

um no VGA is really bad compared to HDMI, i can't say for sure about the xbox cuz my games haven't got here yet but i played the condememed demo and it looked f***ing amazing through HDMI.

I have a 24" HDMI 1080p monitor

akuma303x

There is no discernable difference, especially on a set that small. You just played a gorgeous demo. Go play the Eragon demo and tell me how great that HDMI looks.

:lol: eragon. but your right. there is no visible difference on a screen that small.

bull crap i noticed a diff in quailty upgrading from my 20.1" to my 24"

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16824014133  heres my monitor it's one of the best ones on there site that has HDMI 

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#21 ccgod
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:lol:[QUOTE="donalbane"][QUOTE="ccgod"]

um no VGA is really bad compared to HDMI, i can't say for sure about the xbox cuz my games haven't got here yet but i played the condememed demo and it looked f***ing amazing through HDMI.

I have a 24" HDMI 1080p monitor

akuma303x

There is no discernable difference, especially on a set that small. You just played a gorgeous demo. Go play the Eragon demo and tell me how great that HDMI looks.

:lol: eragon. but your right. there is no visible difference on a screen that small.

bull crap i noticed a diff in quailty upgrading from my 20.1" to my 24"

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16824014133 heres my monitor it's one of the best ones on there site that has HDMI

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#22 Teuf_
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They will probably look the same in most cases.  HDMI/DVI is still preferred though, since there's no chance that quality will be lost due to signal noise.
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I got the Elite in hopes the HDMI would be better looking after asking numerous fans on this site about the advantages of both. Let me say this, If you have a premium 360 and want an elite just for HDMI....DONT. unless you have a fairly older HDTV, That does not let you access the options through VGA, Keep the premium. Because I can now officially say, The VGA through a good HDTV looks better. At least I got the HDD I guess. thanks to Rock303 who was the only person to say VGA would produce a better picture. It's nice to see 1 guy know something.akuma303x
I have seen only VGA and component, while component has a huge brightness comparing and more vivid colors somewhat, i prefer VGA 10fold, since the game gets an extra antialiasing like coating, with same crisp graphics though, and the colors/brightness are not worst in any way, just different, and most of the time better too !!! So, VGA is incredible, at least on my 32'' Samsung
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#24 imprezawrx500
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hdmi=dvi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vga
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Sure we have only been getting those 'HD' resolutions on pc's for years now, it must be s***!!  From every comparision I have seen there is barely any difference between them, they do exactly the same resolutions as each other just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH at this hd buzz word c***rumpel4skin

vga looks just as good as hdmi if not better on a crt but on a lcd there is a big difference.  Ever though why new video card come with dual dvi and no vga except through a converter?

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[QUOTE="ccgod"]I could see the DVI cable being close to HDMI but not VGA, VGA came out in the 80'scoolviper2003

Sorry to burst your bubble, VGA is pretty much as good as DVI and HDMI. Only the sharpest of eyes could tell the difference and even then it's very minimal.

you are wrong, I just tried it on my lcd monitor and the vga looks all blury with really bad edges to the lines while the dvi is way clearer and anyway why do you like old tech better than new tech?

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[QUOTE="ccgod"]I could see the DVI cable being close to HDMI but not VGA, VGA came out in the 80'scoolviper2003

Sorry to burst your bubble, VGA is pretty much as good as DVI and HDMI. Only the sharpest of eyes could tell the difference and even then it's very minimal.

 

you are wrong, I just tried it on my lcd monitor and the vga looks all blury with really bad edges to the lines while the dvi is way clearer and anyway why do you like old tech better than new tech?

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I could see the DVI cable being close to HDMI but not VGA, VGA came out in the 80'sccgod

 

if it really came out in the 80s, i did not know this btw, then VGA cables are quite possibly, the most age proof piece of wires i have ever seen in my life. Still some of the leading cables for pic quality. 

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[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]

[QUOTE="ccgod"]I could see the DVI cable being close to HDMI but not VGA, VGA came out in the 80'simprezawrx500

Sorry to burst your bubble, VGA is pretty much as good as DVI and HDMI. Only the sharpest of eyes could tell the difference and even then it's very minimal.

 

you are wrong, I just tried it on my lcd monitor and the vga looks all blury with really bad edges to the lines while the dvi is way clearer and anyway why do you like old tech better than new tech?

What are you talking about ? Old tech and new tech mean nothing, it is how the tv handles thosesignals that makes the REAL difference VGA is amazing on my tv, i doubt HDMI would be any better than that
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#30 davaniius
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Most of you don't know much about this when the answer is simple.

It's about the inputs on your monitors.Some tv's have better inputs than others so on a samsung let's say,the dvi input is worst than the vga input but on a dell ultrasharp,the vga input is worst than the dvi.

So it really depends on how good the monitor or tv handles the input signal.I have had a LG 50" plasma recently which cost me £3000 ($6000 approx) last year.The vga input was better than the 50" Pioneer plasma that I have now which was an unpleasant surprise because it is considered to be a higher end model.

So the vga or hdmi on the 360 may look the same or worst on your monitor but may have different results on someone elses.

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Most of you don't know much about this when the answer is simple.

It's about the inputs on your monitors.Some tv's have better inputs than others so on a samsung let's say,the dvi input is worst than the vga input but on a dell ultrasharp,the vga input is worst than the dvi.

So it really depends on how good the monitor or tv handles the input signal.I have had a LG 50" plasma recently which cost me £3000 ($6000 approx) last year.The vga input was better than the 50" Pioneer plasma that I have now which was an unpleasant surprise because it is considered to be a higher end model.

So the vga or hdmi on the 360 may look the same or worst on your monitor but may have different results on someone elses.

davaniius
So, to those with a samsung, is the VGA better than HDMI ?? I know for a fact VGA is STUNNING, and looks like adding 4x the previous component AA without sacrificing any crispness in general, plus when moving artifacts and problems are zero
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I couldn't comment on a samsung tv but on the two samsung monitors that I owned,the vga was slightly fuzzy one the first one compared to dvi but on the last one,the vga looked indentical.Not saying it was definatley but it looked it to me and I am very fussy about picture quality.

But again it comes down to the Manufacturers  and even then,then model.

Most cases,the image will be too close to tell them apart unless the inputs are very bad like the component input on the dell 2407 widescreen 1080p monitors.You may have peace of mind knowing your running digital over analogue with hdmi but it just depends on your screen.

Also,the 360's vga is still a little washed out but I read somewhere that there may be some kind of colour option coming in the update.   

[QUOTE="davaniius"]

Most of you don't know much about this when the answer is simple.

It's about the inputs on your monitors.Some tv's have better inputs than others so on a samsung let's say,the dvi input is worst than the vga input but on a dell ultrasharp,the vga input is worst than the dvi.

So it really depends on how good the monitor or tv handles the input signal.I have had a LG 50" plasma recently which cost me £3000 ($6000 approx) last year.The vga input was better than the 50" Pioneer plasma that I have now which was an unpleasant surprise because it is considered to be a higher end model.

So the vga or hdmi on the 360 may look the same or worst on your monitor but may have different results on someone elses.

greg_splicer
So, to those with a samsung, is the VGA better than HDMI ?? I know for a fact VGA is STUNNING, and looks like adding 4x the previous component AA without sacrificing any crispness in general, plus when moving artifacts and problems are zero

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#33 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="davaniius"]

Most of you don't know much about this when the answer is simple.

It's about the inputs on your monitors.Some tv's have better inputs than others so on a samsung let's say,the dvi input is worst than the vga input but on a dell ultrasharp,the vga input is worst than the dvi.

So it really depends on how good the monitor or tv handles the input signal.I have had a LG 50" plasma recently which cost me £3000 ($6000 approx) last year.The vga input was better than the 50" Pioneer plasma that I have now which was an unpleasant surprise because it is considered to be a higher end model.

So the vga or hdmi on the 360 may look the same or worst on your monitor but may have different results on someone elses.

greg_splicer

So, to those with a samsung, is the VGA better than HDMI ?? I know for a fact VGA is STUNNING, and looks like adding 4x the previous component AA without sacrificing any crispness in general, plus when moving artifacts and problems are zero

So you're saying the VGA is blurring your input?  That sounds bad to me.  :? 

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#34 greg_splicer
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[QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="davaniius"]

Most of you don't know much about this when the answer is simple.

It's about the inputs on your monitors.Some tv's have better inputs than others so on a samsung let's say,the dvi input is worst than the vga input but on a dell ultrasharp,the vga input is worst than the dvi.

So it really depends on how good the monitor or tv handles the input signal.I have had a LG 50" plasma recently which cost me £3000 ($6000 approx) last year.The vga input was better than the 50" Pioneer plasma that I have now which was an unpleasant surprise because it is considered to be a higher end model.

So the vga or hdmi on the 360 may look the same or worst on your monitor but may have different results on someone elses.

Teufelhuhn

So, to those with a samsung, is the VGA better than HDMI ?? I know for a fact VGA is STUNNING, and looks like adding 4x the previous component AA without sacrificing any crispness in general, plus when moving artifacts and problems are zero

So you're saying the VGA is blurring your input?  That sounds bad to me.  :? 

Not blurring in the bad sense, since everything actually seems crisper and like having more AA, maybe that is the way it wassuypposed to be displayed in the first place. Remember i am comparing with component, not HDMI
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#35 blubsi
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[QUOTE="rumpel4skin"]Ever though why new video card come with dual dvi and no vga except through a converter?

imprezawrx500

 Because DVI can be converted to VGA without loss, whereas VGA cannot be converted to DVI without loss. Also, it's more expensive to convert VGA to DVI. 

Did you notice how those cards with dual DVI come with VGA adaptors? Essentially by doing it this way they are providing the best of both worlds.