3d the next step in gaming, not moton controls

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#1 15strong
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I went to the mall today and got to expirience the sony 3d tecnology. They showed motorstorm gameplay and some discovery channels. I was truely amazed. It gives a more immersive expirience without sacrificing quality, unlike motion controls. I don't know how many people have expirienced it, but you really do have to see it to believe it. And for the haters, don't bash untilll you have tried it.

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#2 789shadow
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I went to the mall today and got to expirience the sony 3d tecnology. They showed motorstorm gameplay and some discovery channels. I was truely amazed. It gives a more immersive expirience without sacrificing quality, unlike motion controls. I don't know how many people have expirienced it, but you really do have to see it to believe it. And for the haters, don't bash untilll you have tried it.

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Becaue all motion controlled games suck.:roll:

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#3 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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That's not even debatable. All consoles will have some kind of motion control before this year ends.
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#4 heretrix
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Lol. Motion controls are already the next step in gaming. All of this 3d nonsense isn't going anywhere.People have barely gotten used to HDTV.

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#5 taj7575
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Both combined are the next step in gaming.

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#6 JuarN18
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I have a question, what's the difference between this new 3D and the old 3D?

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#7 blizzvalve
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3D is nothing more than a gimmick, and will never take off. Besides, some people still havent made the transition to HD.

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#8 PEELEDbanana
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Lol. Motion controls are already the next step in gaming. All of this 3d nonsense isn't going anywhere.People have barely gotten used to HDTV.

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Very true. 3D has been tried for so many years now, it isn't even news worthy anymore.
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#9 Jynxzor
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3D wont be big until it can be pulled off without the need for glasses affordably. Until then unless the glasses are supplied and again, cost effective and be worn with the user already having glasses *this is my pet peeve about 3d, the glasses are rarely built for people unfortunate enough to be stuck with glasses allready.*
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#10 lhughey
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3d will catch on, but it will be a slow process. The investment that people have to put into it is going to keep the adoption rate slow.
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#11 druggyjoe3000
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I dont like 3d movies and I doubt that I will like 3d games. I wanna sit down n play not sit down waggle remote and wear special glasses get up do push ups just so I can respawn all while talking with my team mates on how where going to catch the flag.

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3D wont be big until it can be pulled off without the need for glasses affordably. Until then unless the glasses are supplied and again, cost effective and be worn with the user already having glasses *this is my pet peeve about 3d, the glasses are rarely built for people unfortunate enough to be stuck with glasses allready.*Jynxzor

That's one of the reasons why I hate 3d and think its such a gimmick. Those stupid glasses suck cause I have wear glasses. I couldn't stand it by the end of Avatar and theres no way I'm going to put those on when I play a game, especially when I got nothing to do and play something for most of the day.

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Why do people allow themselves to be so easily hyped by console companies? This technology has been available for years, I've used and discarded it myself. It is a gimmick and I grew bored of it when the novelty worse off, as will console gamers.

The only difference is I paid £40 for my liquid crystal LCD shutter glasses, I get the impression that today's asking price is allot more. They need to duplicate every frame, that performance has to come from somewhere; and it won't be the PS3 because that's already busy running the game. That leaves the TV, which means Sony expects you to buy a high end TV capable of offloading the stereoscopic processing work.

I feel sorry for the people who buy into this, only to grow bored of the novelty later and have their expense go to waste.

This is just one more attempt by console companies to differentiate themselves outside of paying for expensive exclusive games.

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#14 heretrix
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3d will catch on, but it will be a slow process. The investment that people have to put into it is going to keep the adoption rate slow.lhughey
And that's why it will fail. Too much investment, not enough of a reason to invest.Unlike The Wii, there are still too many different approaches to using the tech. When the Wii came out it was the only motion controlled console out there. There was no confusion as to which was the better thing to get. 3D TV is going to be a massive flop because it's a dumb idea. I wish they would concentrate on making better TV's than dumb gimmicks from the 50's.

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I don't believe it will take off very soon, but when it does, it will be amazing.

Natal + 3D = near virtual reality in your home.

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#16 skinny_man_69
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[QUOTE="JuarN18"]

I have a question, what's the difference between this new 3D and the old 3D?

I am assuming you haven't seen Avatar or things of that quality in 3-D. The new 3-D is all about depth, not just the cheesy "things-poke-out-at-you" depth, but everything in the frame occupies its own space within the Field-of-View, extending into the third dimension. For example, if a person is writing something with a pencil, the pencil is noticeably closer to the foreground, with the arm and person extending into the background. It is fairly hard to explain, but if gaming could pull this off (which I don't think will happen this generation) it would be astounding
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#17 nmaharg
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3d adds nothing to gaming. Motion control could create new genres. Let the technology mature before you judge it.
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#18 LegatoSkyheart
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Yeah! 3D is the Next step in gaming! I want to wear SPECIAL GLASSES TO SEE MY GAMES IN 3D AND RUIN MY EYES EVEN MORE!

........

yeah.........

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#19 Cruse34
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Just so people realise that there are 3D TVs that don't need glasses. You just have to sit at the right distance and angle

I think it will eventually take off but it will take a long time. HD took five years to be mainstream and it might take 10 for 3D

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#20 cliff122316
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do you need to have a new tv to do 3d with headtracking like on that youtube video?
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#21 Fizzman
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Doubt it, buying new TV's for 3d viewing on 2 channels, and those two channels only having select programming available = fail.

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#22 Megaman5364
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I thought gaming was fine back in the SNES days, why does everything have to keep changing :'(

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They're both gimmicks but I rather go with motion controls. At least motion control is changing how you play games to some extent.As for 3D, I don't even care for watching a movie in 3D. I doubt I'll care to play a game in 3D so I'll pass. Plus 3D is too expensive heck they are still a lot of people who still haven't gone to HDTV yet.

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The glasses today are based on essentially same technology as the ones I used back in the day.

They look less dorky and are now rechargeable, but the method for 3D is the same.

It always makes me chuckle when something like this is marketed as being "the next step" by console companies, they take things that have been around a long time and attempt to take the credit for the "revolution". I was playing around in Morrowind with these last console generation, they also offered a console solution back then as well.

Did the console crowed hear about it? No, just like they don't hear about all the stuff that goes on in PC gaming today, they don't hear about it unless a big company is spending millions to make sure they know about it. That's why this can be pushed as "the next step" to the console crowed and they will buy into it. That's why I expect next console gen stuff like GPGPU, that is being utilized in PC games 'today', will be marketed as a revolution started by the console companies :roll:

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#25 CD-i_ownz
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Yeah! 3D is the Next step in gaming! I want to wear SPECIAL GLASSES TO SEE MY GAMES IN 3D AND RUIN MY EYES EVEN MORE!

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yeah.........

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lol i'm imagining it right now some dude with wired controller, glasses and headset just to play Call of Duty

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The glasses today are based on essentially same technology as the ones I used back in the day.

They look less dorky and are now rechargeable, but the method for 3D is the same.

It always makes me chuckle when something like this is marketed as being "the next step" by console companies, they take things that have been around a long time and attempt to take the credit for the "revolution". I was playing around in Morrowind with these last console generation, they also offered a console solution back then as well.

Did the console crowed hear about it? No, just like they don't hear about all the stuff that goes on in PC gaming today, they don't hear about it unless a big company is spending millions to make sure they know about it. That's why this can be pushed as "the next step" to the console crowed and they will buy into it. That's why I expect next console gen stuff like GPGPU, that is being utilized in PC games 'today', will be marketed as a revolution started by the console companies :roll:

AnnoyedDragon

And do people expect us to watch tv with those :lol:

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#27 15strong
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How many people in her have seen the new 3d tecnology being used at ces. Most of you haven't. You all bash motion controls yet change your mind thinking it will change gaming. As far as I am concerned, motion controls is hurting gaming. All of you arguments, thay said the same thing with hd and now most people own a hd tvs. Im not saying it will happen right away, but it will happen.

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#28 AnnoyedDragon
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And do people expect us to watch tv with those :lol:

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I'm sure Sony will put some effort into making their versions look less dorky, probably still look like bulky sunglasses though.

People will be indoors, watching TV, with sunglasses.

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How many people in her have seen the new 3d tecnology being used at ces. Most of you haven't. You all bash motion controls yet change your mind thinking it will change gaming. As far as I am concerned, motion controls is hurting gaming. All of you arguments, thay said the same thing with hd and now most people own a hd tvs. Im not saying it will happen right away, but it will happen.

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How does 3D improve gaming, what does it add? OMG things pop out at me when I play I'm so impressed lol.

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#30 15strong
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The glasses today are based on essentially same technology as the ones I used back in the day.

They look less dorky and are now rechargeable, but the method for 3D is the same.

It always makes me chuckle when something like this is marketed as being "the next step" by console companies, they take things that have been around a long time and attempt to take the credit for the "revolution". I was playing around in Morrowind with these last console generation, they also offered a console solution back then as well.

Did the console crowed hear about it? No, just like they don't hear about all the stuff that goes on in PC gaming today, they don't hear about it unless a big company is spending millions to make sure they know about it. That's why this can be pushed as "the next step" to the console crowed and they will buy into it. That's why I expect next console gen stuff like GPGPU, that is being utilized in PC games 'today', will be marketed as a revolution started by the console companies :roll:

AnnoyedDragon

Actually I have heard of it, they had games like fear running on pc in 3d last year. But 3d is starting to become more standard since they are using it with tvs and have deals with atations like espn. You ps gamers act like everybody else are complete idiots.

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#31 15strong
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[QUOTE="15strong"]

How many people in her have seen the new 3d tecnology being used at ces. Most of you haven't. You all bash motion controls yet change your mind thinking it will change gaming. As far as I am concerned, motion controls is hurting gaming. All of you arguments, thay said the same thing with hd and now most people own a hd tvs. Im not saying it will happen right away, but it will happen.

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How does 3D improve gaming, what does it add? OMG things pop out at me when I play I'm so impressed lol.

Visuals. Like graphics improving, its the same thing. And I can tell you have know idea what you are talking about becasue things just don't pop out. It adds another layer of depth and gives a feeling as if you are in the game.

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Actually I have heard of it, they had games like fear running on pc in 3d last year. But 3d is starting to become more standard since they are using it with tvs and have deals with atations like espn. You ps gamers act like everybody else are complete idiots.

15strong

Becoming more standard? It is exactly the same stereoscopic method that I used years ago. All that's changed is 60hz LCDs stunted the interest of 3D because they didn't refresh as fast as their CRT counterparts. Now that LCD screens are hitting 120hz and above they can use 3D again, something Sony is clearly trying to cash in on as a gimmick.

Look at it from my perspective.

A technology that has been around for ages is suddenly marketed as the next big step in gaming, which is laughable because it has been used in gaming for a long time. But then, to your surprise, people start preaching about it being the next big step. People start getting hyped about the "introduction" of this years old technology, even gloating about it to other platforms as if they have exclusive access to it.

So yes, these people are HIGHLY uninformed and are being easily manipulated by the companies they seem to worship.

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#33 Dahaka-UK
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A good old game controller will always be better than both 3D gaming and Motion controls. I have more options with a game controller and most importantly more control and no lag.

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#34 jasonharris48
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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="15strong"]

How many people in her have seen the new 3d tecnology being used at ces. Most of you haven't. You all bash motion controls yet change your mind thinking it will change gaming. As far as I am concerned, motion controls is hurting gaming. All of you arguments, thay said the same thing with hd and now most people own a hd tvs. Im not saying it will happen right away, but it will happen.

15strong

How does 3D improve gaming, what does it add?OMG things pop out at me when I play I'm so impressed lol.

Visuals. Like graphics improving, its the same thing. And I can tell you have know idea what you are talking about becasue things just don't pop out. It adds another layer of depth and gives a feeling as if you are in the game.

If it is like watching a movie yes it is andit's nothing new. It's not changing how games are being played. It isn't going to be worth all the money it is going to cost just to go 3D. Now if devs can mange to add both 3D and motion control together maybe we'll have some there. Until then I'm fine with the good old methods of playing games.

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#35 mul0306
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3d gaming is useless with out motion control If your watching in 3d you should be control by motionsthat being said idon't like either technogly that is being produced 3d has been used for years (to no approval useless great idea just not practical for the home)and "project natal" just takes old technology and makes it better.(as in improved technology) Not necessarly good technology i personally feel when are these makers going to quit trying to improve an almost perfect system almost because they haven't all combined and made one super console with bluray, Xbox live (like) Online system, and the graphics of a computer.

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i've tried 3D gaming before (3D vision) and it's nothing so amazing about it unless it's ur first time experiencing 3D...it's the same experience from the old 3D stuff so nothing amazing bout it it would be amazing if i won't have to wear glasses to experience 3D cuz those glasses u have to wear is just annoying
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#37 oajlu
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yeah 3D TV is future, but definately not 3D TV with mandatory glasses...

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#38 goblaa
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Motion controls can allow us to control and 'play' in new ways.

3D just looks neat. 3D tech from the betamax era is not the next step...

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#39 110million
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G-I-M-M-I-C-K Give me good motion controls and I'm cool.
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#40 Greyfeld
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Both combined are the next step in gaming.

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This^. If you think one or the other is great, you should look up some youtube videos on the combination of both of them.
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#41 Greyfeld
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[QUOTE="15strong"]

How many people in her have seen the new 3d tecnology being used at ces. Most of you haven't. You all bash motion controls yet change your mind thinking it will change gaming. As far as I am concerned, motion controls is hurting gaming. All of you arguments, thay said the same thing with hd and now most people own a hd tvs. Im not saying it will happen right away, but it will happen.

jasonharris48

How does 3D improve gaming, what does it add? OMG things pop out at me when I play I'm so impressed lol.

that's pretty much exactly what gamers said about motion control. "How does motion control improve gaming? What does it add? OMG I can wave my arms around like a moron!!" It's kinda funny to watch the nay-sayers get shut up real quick when certain things catch on.
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#42 AnnoyedDragon
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It's kinda funny to watch the nay-sayers get shut up real quick when certain things catch on.Greyfeld

I'm a nay sayer and I have not reduced my criticism of motion sensing in any way, despite the technology which the Wiimote is based on originating from PC motion sensor devices like the gyro mouse.

It simply doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.

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#43 Ringx55
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3D TVs WILL catch on. Just like Avatar in 3D outsold the 2D version... O, I wonder why? Not because the public doesn't like good 3D right? :roll: People said the same about motion controls, but face it. It will become a standard eventually.
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#44 gamefan274
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I don't know why everyone has such huge doubts here. Maybe it is a gimmick, but why isn't HD then? I have an HDTV which I use for TV and 2 SDTVs split between my Wii, 360, and PS3. Every once in a while (like 4 times a year) I bring my PS3 out of the basement and slap it on the HDTV to try Uncharted, Killzone, or Burnout. It looks pretty, but it doesn't ruin the experience. I can live without HD and I would have never payed thousands of dollars for a prettier picture when I can have an SDTV for 1/4 of the cost. Today, they are much more affordable. I don't think 3D is THAT much more expensive than HD when it first started (but I may be wrong) so what is different here?

I really want someone to explain to me why 3D is a gimmick and HD isn't. A prettier picture and a picture with more depth aren't amazingly different. 3D is going to be fairly big the glasses stink. I think we all know that, but then you have the regular HD channel. You get dizzy, switch to the HD channel. Just like the switch to HD, SD is still an option, atleast with DISH it is. When the cost drops, it could be bigger than HD. Besides, the glasses don't cost that much, its $16 at my theater for a ticket to Avatar and they give you free glasses. The glasses MUST be pretty cheap at this point.

You know what I want this gen. I want a DVR built in my PS3/360. I want to be able to start a recording in a game, and stop it, via the XMB and Xbox dashboard, and end it. Then save the replay to my HDD, so I can show it to other people, or record to a certain segment, then continue right there, anytime. When ever I want to do the collapsing building part in Uncharted 2, I have to load up chapter 6, and play 10 minutes until I get to the segment. I want to jump into a replay at any time. In game DVR, it worked with TV, why not video games.

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#45 Half-Way
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both are gimmicks

just as rumble was back then

the only diffrence is that metroid prime works better with motion controles

but i dont think it will play better with 3d it will just look better

'anyways i have to agree with the above posters and say both of them combined is the nest step.

for those who cant see the clear picture, gaming is trying to move closer to virtual reality

rumble was made so we could get a feed back from the games we play

motion controles, 3d technolegy will both go in the same direction,

but nothing of them will make old gaming stop, there will always be enough so everyone can get a pice of what they want most.

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#46 HavocV3
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PC already does this with a Nvidia GPU. Are console makers aiming to look 3 years behind?

gimmick anyhow.

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#47 AnnoyedDragon
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I really want someone to explain to me why 3D is a gimmick and HD isn't.

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HD is arguably a gimmick, at least in the sense of how TV and console companies use it.

HD ready or full HD is just a reference to 1280x720 and 1920x1080 resolutions, something that exists entirely independent of the HD term and has existed long before it. The term HD was invented by hardware manufacturers so they wouldn't have to explain the technical side to consumers, it's a catch phrase they can throw out and consumers would automatically associate it with a set of assumptions they have been indoctrinated with.

It's like if I took a bunch of photos of different resolutions and gave each size a different name, it's largely meaningless. When does something go from being just a resolution to needing a special name? You don't see electronic photo frames listing bizarre names instead of resolutions.

When a console gamer hears HD they think of Xbox 360 and PS3 graphics, even though it is the resolution and not the graphics that is relevant to the term. It makes me wonder what they will make up for the next time they need to sell higher resolution televisions, HHD (higher high definition)? SHD (super high definition)? In the end they are meaningless terms strapped on to something just to sell it better.

But in regard to 3D and HD; they are not really comparable. HD is simply more pixels on screen given a hype name, it isn't anything special. But this refers specifically to something that exists independent from everything else, it is actually a descriptive word meant to identify something; as with motion sensing being associated with stuff like the Wiimote. Though frankly even "3D" is too broad a term, stereoscopic 3D is the technical description.

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#48 brumley53
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I went to the mall today and got to expirience the sony 3d tecnology. They showed motorstorm gameplay and some discovery channels. I was truely amazed. It gives a more immersive expirience without sacrificing quality, unlike motion controls. I don't know how many people have expirienced it, but you really do have to see it to believe it. And for the haters, don't bash untilll you have tried it.

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3d + PSwand = EPIC WIN

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#49 delta3074
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what makes me laugh is the fact that people seem to think only the PS3 can do 3D stereoscopic games, that's just total rubbish, james camerons avatar game already runs in stereoscopic 3D on both the 360 and the PS3,even the wii will have stereoscopic games,it's nothing special and it certainly ain't unique to the PS3
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#50 KBFloYd
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i havnt seen 3D since the 80's...when you put on the glasses and watch is everything like a redish color? because if it is then regular hD gaming is better.