4D Graphics. Are You Insane?!

Now, I just read part of a topic on this board about 4d graphics, some of you may still find it.

For those of you who don't know, or to those of you who knew but forgot, 4D graphics are quite impossible. You see the Fourth Dimension could not be a graphic because it is visually inconceivable.

There are 3 dimensions that humans (and probably all life) can perceive; Length, Width and Heighth.

The Fourth Dimension, or 4D, is time. Time is considered the fourth dimension. Time is not solid to us nor is it visible. It is a concept; an idea. But an idea that exists, and is more real than you will ever know.

The Fourth Dimension can not be a 'graphic', but now that I think about it , all games have incorporated the Fourth Dimention otherwise it wouldn't be a game let alone, fun.

There are theoretically 11 dimensions. Those 8 remaining will always be nothing more than an idea to us, for we can never perceive them.

Watch this *informative* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4&feature=related

Now, I just read part of a topic on this board about 4d graphics, some of you may still find it.

For those of you who don't know, or to those of you who knew but forgot, 4D graphics are quite impossible. You see the Fourth Dimension could not be a graphic because it is visually inconceivable.

There are 3 dimensions that humans (and probably all life) can perceive; Length, Width and Heighth.

The Fourth Dimension, or 4D, is time. Time is considered the fourth dimension. Time is not solid to us nor is it visible. It is a concept; an idea. But an idea that exists, and is more real than you will ever know.

The Fourth Dimension can not be a 'graphic', but now that I think about it , all games have incorporated the Fourth Dimention otherwise it wouldn't be a game let alone, fun.

There are theoretically 11 dimensions. Those 8 remaining will always be nothing more than an idea to us, for we can never perceive them.

Watch this *informative* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4&feature=related

xNJN

There are NOT 11 dimensions. Stephen Hawkings lies. Superstring theory is BS.

[QUOTE="xNJN"]

Now, I just read part of a topic on this board about 4d graphics, some of you may still find it.

For those of you who don't know, or to those of you who knew but forgot, 4D graphics are quite impossible. You see the Fourth Dimension could not be a graphic because it is visually inconceivable.

There are 3 dimensions that humans (and probably all life) can perceive; Length, Width and Heighth.

The Fourth Dimension, or 4D, is time. Time is considered the fourth dimension. Time is not solid to us nor is it visible. It is a concept; an idea. But an idea that exists, and is more real than you will ever know.

The Fourth Dimension can not be a 'graphic', but now that I think about it , all games have incorporated the Fourth Dimention otherwise it wouldn't be a game let alone, fun.

There are theoretically 11 dimensions. Those 8 remaining will always be nothing more than an idea to us, for we can never perceive them.

Watch this *informative* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4&feature=related

NielsNL

There are NOT 11 dimensions. Stephen Hawkings lies. Superstring theory is BS.

or maybee i'm wrong, who knows.

There are NOT 11 dimensions. Stephen Hawkings lies. Superstring theory is BS.

NielsNL

actually superstring theory states that there are 10 dimensions.

The theory which incorporated 5 major competing theories to combine 1 with the best results is called The 'M' Theory.

I realize THIS is Wiki, but I did see a show about this just two weeks ago on The Science channel.

There are if you toke up :P, come on, look at hawkings and tell me he doesn't smoke a joint once in a while. Not trying to be rude but the guy is paralized, what else is fun apart from smoking a blunt and thinking about stuff?

or maybee i'm wrong, who knows.

Yongying

Point taken and you're probably right :lol:

xNJN

There are NOT 11 dimensions. Stephen Hawkings lies. Superstring theory is BS.

actually superstring theory states that there are 10 dimensions.

The theory which incorporated 2 major competing theories to combine 1 with the best results is called The 'M' Theory.

I believe you.

4d graphics can be refered to as adding time, time is the 4d in games after 3d. For example aging of walls and ppl in real time or a certain time.

It can also be referred to as adding taste, smell or alike.

4d graphics can be refered to as adding time, time is the 4d in games after 3d. For example aging of walls and ppl in real time or a certain time.

It can also be referred to as adding taste, smell or alike.

LibertySaint

We have had that since Sim City, the Sims, etc. Then it is nothing new.

4d graphics can be refered to as adding time, time is the 4d in games after 3d. For example aging of walls and ppl in real time or a certain time.

It can also be referred to as adding taste, smell or alike.

LibertySaint

I guess that would be like 4D, but we'd be better off calling it "Weathering". It would make more sense.

Oh, and Kudos to the TC for creating the EXACT SAME TOPIC I MADE.wapahala

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

4d graphics can be refered to as adding time, time is the 4d in games after 3d. For example aging of walls and ppl in real time or a certain time.

It can also be referred to as adding taste, smell or alike.

wapahala

We have had that since Sim City, the Sims, etc. Then it is nothing new.

so thats 4d....in games, check it out, thats what sony meant, but they meant full 4d, aging wood, aging ppl, envorment etc, because the cell can do all the caclcalations they say, the 360 can to as found out but at a slower pace.

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

4d graphics can be refered to as adding time, time is the 4d in games after 3d. For example aging of walls and ppl in real time or a certain time.

It can also be referred to as adding taste, smell or alike.

xNJN

I guess that would be like 4D, but we'd be better off calling it "Weathering". It would make more sense.

yeah.

they are possalbe. your thinking the wrong why . 4d games would be a lving world where grass grows and time goes by. game these days dont do this .deadmeat59

Your lack of correct spelling and horrendous grammar has rendered me to believe that you are a product of the Fourth Dimension. Demon.

[QUOTE="wapahala"]Oh, and Kudos to the TC for creating the EXACT SAME TOPIC I MADE.Yongying

Wow. That was funny.

[QUOTE="Yongying"][QUOTE="wapahala"]Oh, and Kudos to the TC for creating the EXACT SAME TOPIC I MADE.wapahala

Wow. That was funny.

ROFLMAO! It really was!

We have had that since Sim City, the Sims, etc. Then it is nothing new. wapahala

It's not the passage of time itself that constitutes 4d. It's basically a causality engine that incorporates the minutia of the environment as a way of directing the entropy or growth of an object in game. It's a whole lot more efficient (and complicated) than just reserving textures for a certain time and place since such an engine would allow an object to carry out its own teaxture weave through algorithms.

People who keep making these "4D ISN'T POSSIBLE!!" comments suffer a dreadful ignorance of the topic at hand. No one is actually talking about a whole 'nother spacial dimension for crying out loud!

[QUOTE="xNJN"]

Now, I just read part of a topic on this board about 4d graphics, some of you may still find it.

For those of you who don't know, or to those of you who knew but forgot, 4D graphics are quite impossible. You see the Fourth Dimension could not be a graphic because it is visually inconceivable.

There are 3 dimensions that humans (and probably all life) can perceive; Length, Width and Heighth.

The Fourth Dimension, or 4D, is time. Time is considered the fourth dimension. Time is not solid to us nor is it visible. It is a concept; an idea. But an idea that exists, and is more real than you will ever know.

The Fourth Dimension can not be a 'graphic', but now that I think about it , all games have incorporated the Fourth Dimention otherwise it wouldn't be a game let alone, fun.

There are theoretically 11 dimensions. Those 8 remaining will always be nothing more than an idea to us, for we can never perceive them.

Watch this *informative* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4&feature=related

NielsNL

There are NOT 11 dimensions. Stephen Hawkings lies. Superstring theory is BS.

oh good you just proved the string theory wrong. great facts too. and thats why it has the word theory in it. or else it would be called superstringfact

i miss the good old 1d graphicsRigga911

I'm not, thats all my PC can render.

Damn I was gonna make pretty much the identical thread, but you beat me too it.Hypochondria9

Yeah same here because this is all i ever think about.

[QUOTE="wapahala"][QUOTE="LibertySaint"]

4d graphics can be refered to as adding time, time is the 4d in games after 3d. For example aging of walls and ppl in real time or a certain time.

It can also be referred to as adding taste, smell or alike.

LibertySaint

We have had that since Sim City, the Sims, etc. Then it is nothing new.

so thats 4d....in games, check it out, thats what sony meant, but they meant full 4d, aging wood, aging ppl, envorment etc, because the cell can do all the caclcalations they say, the 360 can to as found out but at a slower pace.

I honestly don't think that Sony meant anything when they mentioned 4D. I think they were just blathering marketing nonsense.

If they did mean that as "the 4th dimension" then they'd be wrong. The reason time is considered the 4th dimension is because it must have a value of "Time" to exist.

An object cannot exist without all of the traditional three spatial dimensions of width, depth, and height. If it's missing any one of those it can be nothing more than an idea as it wouldn't be able to materially exist in our three dimensional world.

Some scientists then came to the conclusion that time must be a 4th dimension for without a measurement for time an object would fail to exist (it must exist at a point in time or it would never exist).

This is why time is considered a dimension, not becauseit causes things to age/change/

The 4th dimension can not be recreated because we can't even represent it in a formula. If you have no representation, obviously it can't be done on a console. rimnet00

It's TIME!!!!! WHY CAN"T PEOPLE GET THIS???? 4D (maybe a bad choice in name) is about TIME in a game. Read up on it.

Dimensions are great. Personally I'm quite fond of the 1st one. The 4th is overatted so I wouldn't bother putting it in a game and go straight for the 5th as I think it could make a game quite lovely.

[QUOTE="Rigga911"]i miss the good old 1d graphicsMushroomRevenge

I'm not, thats all my PC can render.

Lol wtf?

They should, in fact, remove this "4D" marketing BS and replace it with the more accurate and sophisticated sounding "Growth-Weathering" or the GW gaming element. First to mind was "Gradual-Weathering", but that would not include the digital regrowth of a digital plant. Tell me what you think of the name "Growth-Weathering" and, if you like it, I urge you to spread it.

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]The 4th dimension can not be recreated because we can't even represent it in a formula. If you have no representation, obviously it can't be done on a console. The_Crucible

It's TIME!!!!! WHY CAN"T PEOPLE GET THIS???? 4D (maybe a bad choice in name) is about TIME in a game. Read up on it.

R U FO'SERIUZ? Did you figure that one all by yourself?

Now, once again. Please tell me how to represent 4 dimensions in a formula. Otherwise, stop jumping to conclusions as if some of us don't understand what is going on here. I on my way to getting a master's degree in computer science, so I think I know a little bit about how impossible it is to even simulate 4 dimensions. Theoretically, we don't have the power to do anything like this... but even then, where is the formula? show me the algorithm?

Until then. Stay in school.

They should, in fact, remove this "4D" marketing BS and replace it with the more accurate and sophisticated sounding "Growth-Weathering" or the GW gaming element. First to mind was "Gradual-Weathering", but that would not include the digital regrowth of a digital plant. Tell me what you think of the name "Growth-Weathering" and, if you like it, I urge you to spread it.

xNJN

At least it would be accurate. The way the term 4D is being applied in this sense is ridiculous and incorrect.

If this "4D" continues to go, it will produce a head scratching result. "Growth-Weathering" sounds more interesting and promising.

What is with the trend of people bringing up 4D games? Any educated person would know it isn't POSSIBLE.

Heck, the games we play now are still only 2D, technically. They just APPEAR 3D. A nice little trick, honestly. If we can't play games in TRUE 3D, what makes anyone expect we can see games in 4D?

What is with the trend of people bringing up 4D games? Any educated person would know it isn't POSSIBLE.

Heck, the games we play now are still only 2D, technically. They just APPEAR 3D. A nice little trick, honestly. If we can't play games in TRUE 3D, what makes anyone expect we can see games in 4D?

wiretoss

Again, where "Growth-Weathering" fills the ignorant gap. The GW gaming element is much more appropriate.

[QUOTE="wiretoss"]

What is with the trend of people bringing up 4D games? Any educated person would know it isn't POSSIBLE.

Heck, the games we play now are still only 2D, technically. They just APPEAR 3D. A nice little trick, honestly. If we can't play games in TRUE 3D, what makes anyone expect we can see games in 4D?

xNJN

Again, where "Growth-Weathering" fills the ignorant gap. The GW gaming element is much more appropriate.

If you're promoting that term, why use 4D in your original post/thread title?

What is with the trend of people bringing up 4D games? Any educated person would know it isn't POSSIBLE.

Heck, the games we play now are still only 2D, technically. They just APPEAR 3D. A nice little trick, honestly. If we can't play games in TRUE 3D, what makes anyone expect we can see games in 4D?

wiretoss

Seems like you are the one that needs an education on this topic, people have provided many links so you can understand that 4D graphics does not mean 4 dimensions!!!!!!! Its referring to the effects time has on objects, this is done through dynamic procedural textures and i think even geometry! The is a video that was posted on a thread afew days ago (and is most likely posted in this one too) that gives you an example of 4D buy showing a render of a bathroom aging over time with textures dynamically being applied to the environments to show mold, dirt, cracks and other things to show the bathroom is getting old, even the mirror would crack the the reflection would fade. don't get this confused with leaving an area of a game and returning to it and its different, this is all dynamic so you could stand in the same place of a long time and actually see the textures change.

[QUOTE="xNJN"][QUOTE="wiretoss"]

What is with the trend of people bringing up 4D games? Any educated person would know it isn't POSSIBLE.

Heck, the games we play now are still only 2D, technically. They just APPEAR 3D. A nice little trick, honestly. If we can't play games in TRUE 3D, what makes anyone expect we can see games in 4D?

wiretoss

Again, where "Growth-Weathering" fills the ignorant gap. The GW gaming element is much more appropriate.

If you're promoting that term, why use 4D in your original post/thread title?

first off i thought 4d was imposible as well. but reading the other thread made me understand how it makes sense. when kutaragi said 4d he meant in a gaming sense and not the scientific one(or maybe he really didnt know but oh well). in a gaming sense, the term 4d is like giving age to graphics which makes it able to grow or decay according to the environmental conditions around the object. now does it make sense? because it does to me. but honestly, devs wouldnt really want to take advantage of tis technology because its really hard and not much point to doing it anyway unless u want to make it the gimmick of the game.

[QUOTE="wapahala"]We have had that since Sim City, the Sims, etc. Then it is nothing new. Pariah_001

It's not the passage of time itself that constitutes 4d. It's basically a causality engine that incorporates the minutia of the environment as a way of directing the entropy or growth of an object in game. It's a whole lot more efficient (and complicated) than just reserving textures for a certain time and place since such an engine would allow an object to carry out its own teaxture weave through algorithms.

People who keep making these "4D ISN'T POSSIBLE!!" comments suffer a dreadful ignorance of the topic at hand. No one is actually talking about a whole 'nother spacial dimension for crying out loud!

The funny thing is that i already answered to post almost identical to this one and you still haven't replied to it.

Btw.. Before saying someone "suffers from a dreadful ignorance" maybe you should first check that you yourself aren't suffering from same condition. What is 4D? Give me a meaning of that acronym.. I know one, four dimensions. But you claim they aren't talking about that.. So, what are they taking about? Care to link some official sony statement about 4D, their definition of that term.. I'm sure alot of people here would love to see it.. Let's assume that there is no 4D (gaming wise), that it's a buzzword.. If that's the case, then the term 4D is open for interpretation. Anyone can define it as they please since there is no standardized definition of the term 4D regarding graphics. That means that my interpretation is just as correct as yours and if i say you're wrong, how will you prove me otherwise?

Just a question for the end.. Have you ever, prior to seeing those videos (which btw have nothing to do with 4D or whatever), considered 4D to be as you have described? Let me answer that for you.. No, you didn't.. You probably never even thought about it before and that just proves how prone people are to propaganda and marketing.