720p vs 1080p Is There Really a Noticeable Gaming Difference?

Look, Im not a tech head. I have a 40' LCD Samsung. The picture is absolutely crystal clear. Before I purchased my tv I did a comparison between a 1080p LCD tv and my 720p. I could NOT notice a difference. So whats the hype for all this 1080p if 720p does just fine?

My gamertag is in my profile....

So whats the hype for all this 1080p if 720p does just fine?Magical_Zebra

Just Sony trying to increase its bottom line.

1080p is meaningless ATM. Especially since neither console can run games in it very well.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]So whats the hype for all this 1080p if 720p does just fine?mjarantilla

Just Sony trying to increase its bottom line.

1080p is meaningless ATM. Especially since neither console can run games in it very well.

Well thats my point. Some "Insert Random GS User Here" swears on his life that you can notice a difference between 720p and 1080p. Im not saying there is no difference, Im saying I cant see it....

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]So whats the hype for all this 1080p if 720p does just fine?mjarantilla

Just Sony trying to increase its bottom line.

1080p is meaningless ATM. Especially since neither console can run games in it very well.

and that's why MS released the Elite :roll:

correct me if Im wrong...but the games are upscaled to 1080p...its not native is it? If thats the case, then the difference is barely noticable.

But if its done Natively like on PC games, then the difference is pretty noticable.

The noticible difference (If you can that is) I no were near as big as the gap from SD TV to 720PMarka1700

Well I was on a SDTV all my gaming life (22 years). I just made the switch from SDTV to a 720p tv an......I can never go back to sdtv.

It depends on the size of your screen, and how close you sit to it. On a 40"....probably not going to be too noticable unless you're pretty close. Probably help to get rid of some jaggies, though.Teufelhuhn

Pretty much. 1080p becomes noticeably better at higher screen sizes. There is a slightly notable improvement in reduced artifacts and stuff like that on my 57".

The other difference is that at 720p you can get more effects, better framerates, or both using the same hardware, so sometimes going 720p might be a better idea.

What exactly are you comparing here? A menu is no good comparison for anything. 720p native vs 1080p native is a big difference. There's obviously no difference if the signal is 720p upscaled onto a 1080p TV. I think Virtua Tennis is the only 1080p native 360 game that exists so you really have no clue whether there is a difference.

I can tell you right now there is quite a big difference between 1024x768 and 1600x1200 for PC gaming (about the 4:3 monitor equivilants to 720p/1080p).

correct me if Im wrong...but the games are upscaled to 1080p...its not native is it? If thats the case, then the difference is barely noticable.

But if its done Natively like on PC games, then the difference is pretty noticable.

cobrax25

Ok, Im not trying to be a joker. If my tv is a 720p tv. How is the image "upscaled" to 1080p if the max resolution is 720?

I bought a new 56' DLP about 5 months ago and with the lack of content available in 1080p it just didnt seem worth going with a 1080p set yet.

The media doesnt have a defined standard yet.

TV stations are yet to still be all HD.

Games dont seem to be pushing 1080p at standard yet.

Blu-ray and HD-DVD are to pricey atm.

By the time all this is standard, 1080p sets will be alot cheaper.

1080p = 1920x1080

720 = 1280x720

In the end your paying for more Pixels.

The difference is there but sit a certain distance from 720p or 1080p and they will look the same.

1080p is sharper but I bet for this Gen the STANDARD will be 720p for if not all then MOST GAMES.

The noticible difference (If you can that is) I no were near as big as the gap from SD TV to 720PMarka1700

Marka1700 i totally agree, SDTV's are nothing compared to the high quality of 720p Tv's. Comparing 720p to 1080p its hard to see a difference in gamesout right now, but in the future developers will learn how to maxamize 1080p functionality and then and only then will 1080p look alot better than 720p.

1080p = 1920x1080

720 = 1280x720

In the end your paying for more Pixels.

The difference is there but sit a certain distance from 720p or 1080p and they will look the same.

1080p is sharper but I bet for this Gen the STANDARD will be 720p for if not all then MOST GAMES.

SpecialForcesOp

Ok I sit approximately 8-10 feet from my tv. So it serves no point to get a 40-46' 1080p tv?

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

correct me if Im wrong...but the games are upscaled to 1080p...its not native is it? If thats the case, then the difference is barely noticable.

But if its done Natively like on PC games, then the difference is pretty noticable.

Magical_Zebra

Ok, Im not trying to be a joker. If my tv is a 720p tv. How is the image "upscaled" to 1080p if the max resolution is 1080p?

Ooh hell I didn't read correctly I thought you had a 1080p set.

Oh wow. I could have sworn from those pics it looked 1080p

:? 1080p is a gimmick by Sony.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

correct me if Im wrong...but the games are upscaled to 1080p...its not native is it? If thats the case, then the difference is barely noticable.

But if its done Natively like on PC games, then the difference is pretty noticable.

SpecialForcesOp

Ok, Im not trying to be a joker. If my tv is a 720p tv. How is the image "upscaled" to 1080p if the max resolution is 720p?

Ooh hell I didn't read correctly I thought you had a 1080p set.

Oh wow. I could have sworn from those pics it looked 1080p

:? 1080p is a gimmick by Sony.

I edited the mistake, I meant 720p. :oops:

[QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

1080p = 1920x1080

720 = 1280x720

In the end your paying for more Pixels.

The difference is there but sit a certain distance from 720p or 1080p and they will look the same.

1080p is sharper but I bet for this Gen the STANDARD will be 720p for if not all then MOST GAMES.

Magical_Zebra

Ok I sit approximately 8-10 feet from my tv. So it serves no point to get a 40-46' 1080p tv?

Hell no there expensive as hell and most 720p native games while look nice on upscaled to a 1080p native screen.

It looks better if 720p is outputted to a 720p native screen.

And 1080p native looks amazing on 720p native HDTV because of the downscaling gives the image a 4X AA quality.

Take a JPeg and shrink down the size. It looks sharper right?

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

correct me if Im wrong...but the games are upscaled to 1080p...its not native is it? If thats the case, then the difference is barely noticable.

But if its done Natively like on PC games, then the difference is pretty noticable.

Magical_Zebra

Ok, Im not trying to be a joker. If my tv is a 720p tv. How is the image "upscaled" to 1080p if the max resolution is 1080p?

As far as I know, upscaling is esencially streching the image to make it fit across more Pixels. I doubt you will notice any difference between an upscaled 720p image, and an 720p image in terms of quality. I could be wrong thouth...so dont take my work for it.

But In PC gaming, where you can run games in 1080p natively, there is deffinetly a noticable difference, particularly within text, but in terms of detail also.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]So whats the hype for all this 1080p if 720p does just fine?mjarantilla

Just Sony trying to increase its bottom line.

1080p is meaningless ATM. Especially since neither console can run games in it very well.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

1080p = 1920x1080

720 = 1280x720

In the end your paying for more Pixels.

The difference is there but sit a certain distance from 720p or 1080p and they will look the same.

1080p is sharper but I bet for this Gen the STANDARD will be 720p for if not all then MOST GAMES.

SpecialForcesOp

Ok I sit approximately 8-10 feet from my tv. So it serves no point to get a 40-46' 1080p tv?

Hell no there expensive as hell and most 720p native games while look nice on upscaled to a 1080p native screen.

It looks better if 720p is outputted to a 720p native screen.

And 1080p native looks amazing on 720p native HDTV because of the downscaling gives the image a 4X AA quality.

Take a JPeg and shrink down the size. It looks sharper right?

My god you just caused me to have a "sensory overload". Yea, I priced the less than 50' 1080p tv's and they are extremeley expensive. I guess there is no difference.

[QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

1080p = 1920x1080

720 = 1280x720

In the end your paying for more Pixels.

The difference is there but sit a certain distance from 720p or 1080p and they will look the same.

1080p is sharper but I bet for this Gen the STANDARD will be 720p for if not all then MOST GAMES.

Magical_Zebra

Ok I sit approximately 8-10 feet from my tv. So it serves no point to get a 40-46' 1080p tv?

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

1080p = 1920x1080

720 = 1280x720

In the end your paying for more Pixels.

The difference is there but sit a certain distance from 720p or 1080p and they will look the same.

1080p is sharper but I bet for this Gen the STANDARD will be 720p for if not all then MOST GAMES.

E M I N 3 M

Ok I sit approximately 8-10 feet from my tv. So it serves no point to get a 40-46' 1080p tv?

Haha! Ok cool. Thats the answer I needed. So lets say I have a 40' 720p and a 40' 1080p. The detail and lettering will be much smaller because the resolution of the 1080p is being crammed into a 40' set?

[QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

1080p = 1920x1080

720 = 1280x720

In the end your paying for more Pixels.

The difference is there but sit a certain distance from 720p or 1080p and they will look the same.

1080p is sharper but I bet for this Gen the STANDARD will be 720p for if not all then MOST GAMES.

Magical_Zebra

Ok I sit approximately 8-10 feet from my tv. So it serves no point to get a 40-46' 1080p tv?

Hell no there expensive as hell and most 720p native games while look nice on upscaled to a 1080p native screen.

It looks better if 720p is outputted to a 720p native screen.

And 1080p native looks amazing on 720p native HDTV because of the downscaling gives the image a 4X AA quality.

Take a JPeg and shrink down the size. It looks sharper right?

My god you just caused me to have a "sensory overload". Yea, I priced the less than 50' 1080p tv's and they are extremeley expensive. I guess there is no difference.

1080p is a bad thing for gaming. Developers have to sacafice Textures, Lighting, Effects, Etc.

To fulfill the resolution requirement.

A 1080p native game can have twice the texture detail, lighting, effects. if the same game ran at a native 720, thus developers can add in more effects etc.

What is the point of having a High Res if the game looks Crappy to begin with.

720p is the sweet spot of this gen and most Smart devs know this.

[QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

1080p = 1920x1080

720 = 1280x720

In the end your paying for more Pixels.

The difference is there but sit a certain distance from 720p or 1080p and they will look the same.

1080p is sharper but I bet for this Gen the STANDARD will be 720p for if not all then MOST GAMES.

Magical_Zebra

Ok I sit approximately 8-10 feet from my tv. So it serves no point to get a 40-46' 1080p tv?

i guess you have not seen the 46' 1080p sharp aquos in best buy. go check those out they look amazing and you can defitnitely tell the difference between 720p.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

1080p = 1920x1080

720 = 1280x720

In the end your paying for more Pixels.

The difference is there but sit a certain distance from 720p or 1080p and they will look the same.

1080p is sharper but I bet for this Gen the STANDARD will be 720p for if not all then MOST GAMES.

-Renegade

Ok I sit approximately 8-10 feet from my tv. So it serves no point to get a 40-46' 1080p tv?

i guess you have not seen the 1080p sharp aquos in best buy. go check those out they look amazing and you can defitnitely tell the difference between 702p.

The difference is there but most games are native 720p anyway. So 1080p is a moot point.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

correct me if Im wrong...but the games are upscaled to 1080p...its not native is it? If thats the case, then the difference is barely noticable.

But if its done Natively like on PC games, then the difference is pretty noticable.

Magical_Zebra

Ok, Im not trying to be a joker. If my tv is a 720p tv. How is the image "upscaled" to 1080p if the max resolution is 1080p?

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

correct me if Im wrong...but the games are upscaled to 1080p...its not native is it? If thats the case, then the difference is barely noticable.

But if its done Natively like on PC games, then the difference is pretty noticable.

Teufelhuhn

Ok, Im not trying to be a joker. If my tv is a 720p tv. How is the image "upscaled" to 1080p if the max resolution is 1080p?

You just explained that to me to the point......where I understood. Thank You for your time Teuf. :)

xplained that to me to the point......where I understood. Thank You for your time Teuf. :)

Magical_Zebra

Are you using hdmi cables? And I think you can notice it more watching hd movies.

Are you hdmi cables?

ReverseCycology

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[QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

1080p = 1920x1080

720 = 1280x720

In the end your paying for more Pixels.

The difference is there but sit a certain distance from 720p or 1080p and they will look the same.

1080p is sharper but I bet for this Gen the STANDARD will be 720p for if not all then MOST GAMES.

Magical_Zebra

Ok I sit approximately 8-10 feet from my tv. So it serves no point to get a 40-46' 1080p tv?

Like others have said 1080p is not that important on sets that are under 50 inches.

Few things to consider.

Apart from HD-DVD, blu-ray, and few games that are going to be released this generation, there is no 1080p content available.

If you buying fixed resolution display like plasma or LCD mostly for gaming, you better off with 720p native display since most games are going to be at 720p anyway.

HDTV broadcasts are either 720P or 1080i. There is not enough bandwidth to support 1080p broadcasts.

Obviously, 1080p display will do better job at displaying 1080i broadcast signal. Same thing applies to 720p broadcasts and 720p naive displays.

There is good article about whole 1080p deal on CNET where they test 1080p display vs 1080i and 720p displays.

To be honest, once you get into HD you should worry more whether the HDTV has accurate color, good black level, color saturation, and good contrast UNLESS you plan on buying TV above 50 inches.

i think it depends on the content and screen size...on a 40" screen you should othice things looking more vivid especilay writing and still images..and if you have a good scaler in your tv then 1080i and 1080p should be hard to tell the differnce from...

but even so i dont feel screen size does much ok you get the full impact on a larger screen but the higer resolutions on a small monitor of 22" you can clearly see the diffrences in the higher and lower res..

so really it deepnds on the content i would say....

Look, Im not a tech head. I have a 40' LCD Samsung. The picture is absolutely crystal clear. Before I purchased my tv I did a comparison between a 1080p LCD tv and my 720p. I could NOT notice a difference. So whats the hype for all this 1080p if 720p does just fine?

My gamertag is in my profile....

Magical_Zebra

Ut's a COMPLETE marketing GIMMICK unless you on like a 55+ HD TV. And even then 720/1080I look dam good already.

I would say in 5 years on the next gen systems that will do 1080P and 1440P standard it will be more usefull then.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

1080p = 1920x1080

720 = 1280x720

In the end your paying for more Pixels.

The difference is there but sit a certain distance from 720p or 1080p and they will look the same.

1080p is sharper but I bet for this Gen the STANDARD will be 720p for if not all then MOST GAMES.

a_ratchet_fan

Ok I sit approximately 8-10 feet from my tv. So it serves no point to get a 40-46' 1080p tv?

Actually, it all depends on what you're using it for. Connect a PCto a 40+" 1080p... the PC will take advantage of it, more so then a 360 or PS3.

Well ill soon be playin in 720p,maybe in a few hours from now...whenever the mail comes.I bought a VGA gender changer to hook the VGA 360 cables I bought up to my 1024x768 moniter,Ive only played games on 720p and 1080p sets at places like Walmart and Gamestop for only a few minutes,in those 2 or 3 minutes I could barely notice a difference that what I had been seeing on my 480p 20" tv.

P.S.-It would be better posting in this thread than making a new one,but could anyone tell me if there would be any difference when playing on a 480p 20" tv and then switching to a 1024x768 17" moniter?Im thinking know...but the little peice I needed to make it happen only costs 4 dollars,and I had that bit to throw away.

EDIT:Oh yeah,with my moniter ill be sitting only...2 to 2 1/2 feet away,while with my telivision I sit maybe,5 or 5 1/2feet away.