A discussion about backwards compatbility.

Now we all know that the 40GB won't be BC with Playstation 2 games. And it may turn out that they dropped it not to cut costs, but to generate more sales of Playstation 3 games. Kind of a shady move but regardless...You won't hear me dissing the lack of backwards compatibility because original Xbox games have never come near my Xbox 360. Personally I have no interest in going back to play anything and I bet a lot of Playstation fans would agree that they don't either. Bottom line is that sheep, you have no right to say anything either...

Nintendo's idea of backwards compatibility involves having to own separate controllers and memory cards. So, if Sony is assuming that people already have Playstation 2s then Nintendo is kind of doing the same by assuming that you already own Gamecube accessories. Unless of course, you gotta buy those accessories. Talk about milkage.

I agree

I dont buy a new system to play old games

I agree

I dont buy a new system to play old games

onewiththegame

I don't buy a new system to play old games either, but I like having that option.

Sometimes I just feel like going back and playing an older game. While I can keep the older console and continue to play on that, eventually it will die and then any ability to play the older game will be lost. So having B/C just ensures that people can go back and enjoy older games if they feel like it.

My PS2 is several pieces at the moment so I for one could have really used b/c, not to mention it would save adding to the mess of cables I've got in my room at the moment.deviates1080

BC is importantthe ps2 has many great games and the ps3 with smooth and upconvert them to HD. Also sony is doing software emulation just like ms with the 360.ChiChiMonKilla

Not on the 40GB they aren't.

So it's milkage to give you the full capabilites of the GC in the Wii, but only if you WANT to buy a cheap memory card and GC controller?

That's so terrible of them.

Hold on cows...hold on.

I thought the fact that the PS3 could play PS2 games was a big reason for what marginal success it has enjoyed...because of the 100 trillion PS2 owners out there.

So now that Sony takes it away...it's ok?

Gee...kinda sounds like when Sony took away rumble.

But don't worry...I'm sure later on in 2008, Sony will release a PS2 BC module you can plug into your PS3. It will only cost 60 bucks and all you cows will applaud just like when Sony brought back rumble.....at the cost of a new controller.

how would u play GC games with a wii-mote?samusarmada

you dont

you just plug in a GC controller

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]how would u play GC games with a wii-mote?onewiththegame

you dont

you just plug in a GC controller

Which would require that you have either spent the extra money on one, or already own one because you have a Gamecube. Which is in essence, the exact same assumption that Sony is making by thinking that people may already own a PS2.

I'm 22. I grew up with a SNES. My brother took it when he moved out. I didn't get a gamecube because the PSone had FFVII and I enjoyed my PSone so much that I opted for a PS2. I don't regret the decision and enjoyed my PS2 as well as the Square games released for it after the contract had ended.

Backwards compatability is huge to me. I love being able to play all the old games I grew up with. I also enjoy picking up the ones that I missed but alwasy wanted to play (Comix Zone, Sonic, etc.) and the fact that with an investment of 30 bucks I can play all the gamecube games I missed (not a lot there I know, but there are some real gems in the mix) sounds like a great idea to me.

The only BC game that I've seen on other consoles and wanted to get my hands on was Symphony of the Night. I've gone through 2 copies. Beaten it several times. Still think the game is amazing.

What really sells the Wii though is FC. That's right! Future Compatability! Downloadable Demo's for the DS is a dastardly idea that is sure to cause further domination in the handheld world.

When it comes to games. The Wii is like 10 consoles in 1, and it's cheaper than either of it's competitors. That is very important to me...

I'm 22. I grew up with a SNES. My brother took it when he moved out. I didn't get a gamecube because the PSone had FFVII and I enjoyed my PSone so much that I opted for a PS2. I don't regret the decision and enjoyed my PS2 as well as the Square games released for it after the contract had ended.

Backwards compatability is huge to me. I love being able to play all the old games I grew up with. I also enjoy picking up the ones that I missed but alwasy wanted to play (Comix Zone, Sonic, etc.) and the fact that with an investment of 30 bucks I can play all the gamecube games I missed (not a lot there I know, but there are some real gems in the mix) sounds like a great idea to me.

The only BC game that I've seen on other consoles and wanted to get my hands on was Symphony of the Night. I've gone through 2 copies. Beaten it several times. Still think the game is amazing.

What really sells the Wii though is FC. That's right! Future Compatability! Downloadable Demo's for the DS is a dastardly idea that is sure to cause further domination in the handheld world.

When it comes to games. The Wii is like 10 consoles in 1, and it's cheaper than either of it's competitors. That is very important to me...

effthat

The Nintendo marketing department must be proud.

I'm a Marketing Manager, dude... I know exactly what they are doing. They've built the best bang for the buck this generation. The guy who invented hotcakes is impressed!

Your agruement about having to pay for controllers and memory cards is ridiculous! MS- you pay for online, controllers, hardrive, external-disk drive, etc. right? Sony makes you pay for all of it and bundles it all together in a big overpriced package of things I won't be using...

The Wii has cheap solutions to backwards compatability. Buying a used controller and memory card Vs. Buying a console, controller, memory card, and more expensive games.

Sony has taken a marketing stance of making the capability more expensive and wringing out more money of each consumer (if you want that game you have to buy that system...if you have this system you have to buy these games). The Wii has taken a consumer friendly stance and said "hey guys, we're gonna make it easy on you. All the games are run on this bad boy! If you happen to have missed out on last gen, it's ok! Just go out and get a controller and a game and a memory card and it'll run just as nice! We'll even have the console figure out which disc you put it in!"

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[QUOTE="samusarmada"]how would u play GC games with a wii-mote?TekkenMaster606

you dont

you just plug in a GC controller

Which would require that you have either spent the extra money on one, or already own one because you have a Gamecube. Which is in essence, the exact same assumption that Sony is making by thinking that people may already own a PS2.

Whoa whoa whoa there hos. There is a HUGE difference between spendin 10 bucks on a controller and memory card and shelling out $100 for a PS2. And to say backwards compatability is pointless is a completely hilarous statment. We know that almost no one bought a Gamecube, and yet there are a handfull of great games on it that you can now find in bargin bins to play. Is your Wii gathering dust? The go spend 5 bucks on a copy of Wind Waker, Ikaruga, F-Zero GX, or even Smash Brothers. Any of those games will give you more bang for you buck then more then half of the games in the Wii library.

FACT: Backwards compatility sells systems when cost-savy consumers realize then can buy games for cheap.

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[QUOTE="samusarmada"]how would u play GC games with a wii-mote?TekkenMaster606

you dont

you just plug in a GC controller

Which would require that you have either spent the extra money on one, or already own one because you have a Gamecube. Which is in essence, the exact same assumption that Sony is making by thinking that people may already own a PS2.

Or... just buy a GC controller!

if cutting off bc means a cheaper console price, i'm all for itshiram

Here is what I find ridiculous. Clearly,Sony thinks people have been paying$500 - $600 for the PS3 and only buying PS2 games. If that is the case, then why would releasing a $399 console change that? If people loved playing PS2 games that much more than PS3 games...why wouldn't they continue paying extra for the more expensive version with BC?

[QUOTE="shiram"]if cutting off bc means a cheaper console price, i'm all for itZIMdoom

Here is what I find ridiculous. Clearly,Sony thinks people have been paying$500 - $600 for the PS3 and only buying PS2 games. If that is the case, then why would releasing a $399 console change that? If people loved playing PS2 games that much more than PS3 games...why wouldn't they continue paying extra for the more expensive version with BC?

to force people to buy ps3 games?

Nintendo's idea of backwards compatibility involves having to own separate controllers and memory cards. So, if Sony is assuming that people already have Playstation 2s then Nintendo is kind of doing the same by assuming that you already own Gamecube accessories. Unless of course, you gotta buy those accessories. Talk about milkage.

TekkenMaster606

I hope you remember the Virtual Console as you're saying this.

True, you do need another controller (though not Gamecube, but you can use that too) for most games, but you don't need separate memory cards. Also, neither the *****ic Controller (You know what word I'm censoring) nor the Gamecube controller cost any more than an Xbox Live Gold account for a year. By your logic, that would be milkage.;)

Backwards compatibility is needed for the PS3 seeing as the PS3's this-gen line-up isn't exactly stellarhamstergeddon

In your opinion, but your opinion does not = fact. I think the Wii's lineup is HORRIBLE but thats my opinion and does not = fact.

And no BC is not needed 1/2 the darn world already owns PS2's im pretty sure anyone going to get a PS3 is already gonna own one.

I'm a Marketing Manager, dude... I know exactly what they are doing. They've built the best bang for the buck this generation. The guy who invented hotcakes is impressed!

Your agruement about having to pay for controllers and memory cards is ridiculous! MS- you pay for online, controllers, hardrive, external-disk drive, etc. right? Sony makes you pay for all of it and bundles it all together in a big overpriced package of things I won't be using...

The Wii has cheap solutions to backwards compatability. Buying a used controller and memory card Vs. Buying a console, controller, memory card, and more expensive games.

Sony has taken a marketing stance of making the capability more expensive and wringing out more money of each consumer (if you want that game you have to buy that system...if you have this system you have to buy these games). The Wii has taken a consumer friendly stance and said "hey guys, we're gonna make it easy on you. All the games are run on this bad boy! If you happen to have missed out on last gen, it's ok! Just go out and get a controller and a game and a memory card and it'll run just as nice! We'll even have the console figure out which disc you put it in!"

effthat

This is laughable. Really laughable. A marketing manager on system wars. :lol:

[QUOTE="effthat"]

I'm a Marketing Manager, dude... I know exactly what they are doing. They've built the best bang for the buck this generation. The guy who invented hotcakes is impressed!

Your agruement about having to pay for controllers and memory cards is ridiculous! MS- you pay for online, controllers, hardrive, external-disk drive, etc. right? Sony makes you pay for all of it and bundles it all together in a big overpriced package of things I won't be using...

The Wii has cheap solutions to backwards compatability. Buying a used controller and memory card Vs. Buying a console, controller, memory card, and more expensive games.

Sony has taken a marketing stance of making the capability more expensive and wringing out more money of each consumer (if you want that game you have to buy that system...if you have this system you have to buy these games). The Wii has taken a consumer friendly stance and said "hey guys, we're gonna make it easy on you. All the games are run on this bad boy! If you happen to have missed out on last gen, it's ok! Just go out and get a controller and a game and a memory card and it'll run just as nice! We'll even have the console figure out which disc you put it in!"

TekkenMaster606

This is laughable. Really laughable. A marketing manager on system wars. :lol:

So far you've not even begun address my arguements...

I'm assuming that your don't have the slightest understanding of debate, business management, or an understand of the consumer base. Even the start of a logical thought is probablya rare occurance for you.

This is a forum based on the debate of products in an industry! Why would a marketing manager not be interested in debating product specs?! Oh wait. You know nothing about marketing.

I'm guessing you assumed I was a marketing manager in the videogame industry. Again, nowhere did I say it. In fact, I don't work in the video game industry.

Finally, your comparison of $15 dollars compared to $150 is flawed on many levels. There is a huge difference in the way the three companies go to market. They all have a product with specific features. The Wii has done the best job of putting together a system that fits what the majority of consumers want (check the sales figures). To come back with "while 67% haven't turned theirs on recently" isn't a well developed arguement because you assume that the casual gaming base would have the same habits that the hardcore gaming base has had in the past. They are CA...SU...AL gamers. Not to mention that regardless of their usage of the product, they felt driven to seek out a product that they haven't done before. To put forth the effort to dig through the multiple SKU's of the 360 and PS3 in order to find that gem of a system that they were looking for.

Why would anyone who is the marketing field not be interested in that?! Why would they not want to learn from the great success in previous marketing campaigns of other products and find what they can apply to their own products?!

What's laughable is that you still have hopes that the PS3 is a system worth having...

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="effthat"]

I'm a Marketing Manager, dude... I know exactly what they are doing. They've built the best bang for the buck this generation. The guy who invented hotcakes is impressed!

Your agruement about having to pay for controllers and memory cards is ridiculous! MS- you pay for online, controllers, hardrive, external-disk drive, etc. right? Sony makes you pay for all of it and bundles it all together in a big overpriced package of things I won't be using...

The Wii has cheap solutions to backwards compatability. Buying a used controller and memory card Vs. Buying a console, controller, memory card, and more expensive games.

Sony has taken a marketing stance of making the capability more expensive and wringing out more money of each consumer (if you want that game you have to buy that system...if you have this system you have to buy these games). The Wii has taken a consumer friendly stance and said "hey guys, we're gonna make it easy on you. All the games are run on this bad boy! If you happen to have missed out on last gen, it's ok! Just go out and get a controller and a game and a memory card and it'll run just as nice! We'll even have the console figure out which disc you put it in!"

effthat

This is laughable. Really laughable. A marketing manager on system wars. :lol:

So far you've not even begun address my arguements...

I'm assuming that your don't have the slightest understanding of debate, business management, or an understand of the consumer base. Even the start of a logical thought is probablya rare occurance for you.

This is a forum based on the debate of products in an industry! Why would a marketing manager not be interested in debating product specs?! Oh wait. You know nothing about marketing.

I'm guessing you assumed I was a marketing manager in the videogame industry. Again, nowhere did I say it. In fact, I don't work in the video game industry.

Finally, your comparison of $15 dollars compared to $150 is flawed on many levels. There is a huge difference in the way the three companies go to market. They all have a product with specific features. The Wii has done the best job of putting together a system that fits what the majority of consumers want (check the sales figures). To come back with "while 67% haven't turned theirs on recently" isn't a well developed arguement because you assume that the casual gaming base would have the same habits that the hardcore gaming base has had in the past. They are CA...SU...AL gamers. Not to mention that regardless of their usage of the product, they felt driven to seek out a product that they haven't done before. To put forth the effort to dig through the multiple SKU's of the 360 and PS3 in order to find that gem of a system that they were looking for.

Why would anyone who is the marketing field not be interested in that?! Why would they not want to learn from the great success in previous marketing campaigns of other products and find what they can apply to their own products?!

What's laughable is that you still have hopes that the PS3 is a system worth having...

You're trying too hard. :lol: And China wants its wall back.

I had a gamecube last gen, and was going to get a PS2 (never even considered the XBox then), but never got a round to it for various reason (time/money/etc). I got a Wii this gen and was planing on getting either an XBox 360 or a PS3. The PS3 really looked like the best option with PS2 compatability (I could play all the games I missed out on, finally), Blue Ray player, and I figured it would have the mass of RPG's (my favorite genre).But, the priceis just way to much right now. Andas time goes on, the XBox is looking to have a good line-up of games andits more affordable. But maybe I should just wait them out a little longer, and just get a PS2 now.

But the backwards compatability is important to me. And I am sick of these ever changing consoles ans SKU's. Sony & Microsoft are ruining the industry. I love games, but hate these consoles, it really is sickening.

All I used my PS3 for right now is BC, so to me, BC is the most important thing in the PS3.SpruceCaboose

I agree that BC is not completely important, but it is nice to have. You have to admit that sometimes you might want to play a PS2 game one day. I play FF7 on my PS2 for example :)

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]Backwards compatibility is needed for the PS3 seeing as the PS3's this-gen line-up isn't exactly stellarJunkanooPunch

In your opinion, but your opinion does not = fact. I think the Wii's lineup is HORRIBLE but thats my opinion and does not = fact.

And no BC is not needed 1/2 the darn world already owns PS2's im pretty sure anyone going to get a PS3 is already gonna own one.

All I used my PS3 for right now is BC, so to me, BC is the most important thing in the PS3.SpruceCaboose

I agree. I think most people trade or sell their games inorder to afford new ones. Same with consoles.

I have not played one PS2 game on my PS3 in the year I've had it. I did, however, play one or two PS1 games off of PSN and I never touched them again. I play on a HDTV and want to play HD games.

And its smart for Sony, no matter which way you look at it. They are selling a lot more consoles than before and that only leads to game sales.

That is why I buy the 60GB. I never own a ps1 or ps2... so getting a 60GB is 3 console generations in 1.

If 60GB is not available, I would get a 80GB.

That does not mean 40GB is bad. I don't mind getting a 40GB cause PS2 is still available and that provides 100% BC. So if you get a 40GB, you should also plan to get a PS2 in the future if you want BC.