A highly interesting statement Sony once made that has come back to haunt them

I don't want to dredge out old dirt or anything like that, but I managed to run into this piece on Kotaku. There was a Sony interview, back in 2005, that talked about the PSP and why it was superior to the DS. It used multiple arguments, that Sony's fans then also proceeded to use:

Nintendo and Sony have been taking pot shots at one another ever since the latter decided to enter into the handheld market with PSP. VP of studios Phil Harrison's latest controversial comments toMCVUKare simply the latest.

Statements from both sides have repeatedly said they do not see each other as competition. Of course, we all know that's a lie, but maybe not for the reasons Harrison does. "The idea of a handheld rivalry with Nintendo is an irrelevance," he says. "Those formats don't appear in our planning. It's not a fair comparison; not fair on them, I should stress. That sounds arrogant, maybe, but it's the truth."

The truth, huh? Maybe fanboys wouldn't be freaking out over comments like this as much if Sony was backing up their bold claims with a line of great games.

Whether or not you fully agree, Nintendo DScancome off as gimmicky, but Sony's commentary is fairly strange. "With the DS, it's fair to say that Nintendo stepped out of the technical race and went for a feature differentiation with the touch screen," Harrison says. "But I fear that it won't have a lasting impact beyond that of a gimmick - so the long-lasting appeal of the platform is at peril as a direct result of that."

That's not even the worst of them, though. When it comes to discussing target audiences, it becomes painfully obvious why Harrison doesn't believe Nintendo is competition. "Nintendo knows its target audience, because it has really narrowed that down; and it's pretty much defined by a boy or girl's ability to admire Pokemon," he says.

Ouch.1Up

Neat, huh?

Isn't it interesting that this was the exact same argument Sony also made for the Vita and the 3DS? And that that's what all their fanboys also seem to be doing?

People, wake up. For the final time: tech does not sell a handheld system. The games do, and Nintendo has that nailed better than anyone else. Expect a repeat of the DS and PSP with the 3DS and PS Vita.

It sounded stupid back then and it sounds even worse now. Sonys been my favorite console maker 3 gens running now, but they say the dumbest **** sometimes.

Oh and I definitely expect a repeat in the handheld war.

People say hindsight is 20/20, and Sony will learn from their mistakes and this and that blah blah.

Sony has bad marketing and they don't learn from their mistakes, 2 things you can count on, just like death and taxes.

The difference is, Nintendo's handhelds appeal to an audience of all ages, and Sony's handhelds don't.

Nothing is new with the Vita vs 3DS.

Vita is something I'm interested in, and it appeals to me, so I'm glad it exists, but I pity Sony for releasing it at the same time.

On the other hand, they couldn't be more wrong about the 3DS only appealing to kids.

It is comments like that which makes Sony look closed minded as opposed to open minded, and that closed-mindedness mentality rubs off on almost everything they do to a fault.

The DS sure beat up the PSP in tha salez, it's true...although, the PSP has sold more than the Xbox and Gamecube combined. In fact, the PSP has sold more than the PS3 and even the 360. It's sales have been impressive and show that there is room in the market for more than one dominant handheld.

Will the Vita outsell the 3DS? Will the DS destroy the Vita in sales? Maybe, probably...but I don't care. As long as we have a viable platform to get some wonderful games on the platform.

Nintendo is aiming at a MUCH broader audience, that's incredibly obvious. The Vita is not targetted for that, and the pricing scale demonstrates that. The PSP was also more expensive than the DS. In the end, if these products are successful, then we get more games. YAY.

However, the PSP and DS did different things for different people...those arguing about sales, will find that we will probably see a repeat. Who cares though, right? As long as those that buy a 3DS love their 3DS, and those that buy a Vita love their Vita.

Handheld gamers are getting more and more options, good on them.

And this is coming from someone that only plays handhelds when he travels...for the most part. :P

The truth is that it's not absolutely one thing or another, and how things weigh out is different according to circumstances. The PSP did not sell as many units as it did without it being an attractive product. If you focus too much on the idea of it being a competition, you'll forget that competition is the industry in a healthy state, and #1 isn't the only number that matters.

The PSV might not be #1. It's certainly not doing well now. But it will be a successful product for Sony if it can etch out a niche.

he is right

touch screen was a gimmick

DS only had Pokemon for the last few years, no other games were good after 2006

inb4 hurr durr zelda rehash

no, just no

he is right

touch screen was a gimmick

DS only had Pokemon for the last few years, no other games were good after 2006

inb4 hurr durr zelda rehash

no, just no

HaloinventedFPS

You used to be less obvioius.:(

The truth is that it's not absolutely one thing or another, and how things weigh out is different according to circumstances. The PSP did not sell as many units as it did without it being an attractive product. If you focus too much on the idea of it being a competition, you'll forget that competition is the industry in a healthy state, and #1 isn't the only number that matters.

hakanakumono

The DS sure beat up the PSP in tha salez, it's true...although, the PSP has sold more than the Xbox and Gamecube combined. In fact, the PSP has sold more than the PS3 and even the 360. It's sales have been impressive and show that there is room in the market for more than one dominant handheld.

Will the Vita outsell the 3DS? Will the DS destroy the Vita in sales? Maybe, probably...but I don't care. As long as we have a viable platform to get some wonderful games on the platform.

However, the PSP and DS did different things for different people...those arguing about sales, will find that we will probably see a repeat. Who cares though, right? As long as those that buy a 3DS love their 3DS, and those that buy a Vita love their Vita.

Handheld gamers are getting more and more options, good on them.

And this is coming from someone that only plays handhelds when he travels.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

he is right

touch screen was a gimmick

DS only had Pokemon for the last few years, no other games were good after 2006

inb4 hurr durr zelda rehash

no, just no

sandbox3d

You used to be less obvioius.:(

name good DS games after 2006 that were not Pokemon or Zelda

I honestly don't mind Sony's comments, but I think they should just refrain from taking cheap shots on the competition like that. It is still possible to get your point across without resorting to childish name calling like that. Similar to how fanboys on here could get their point across without... Oh what am I talking about, fanboys are hopeless.

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

he is right

touch screen was a gimmick

DS only had Pokemon for the last few years, no other games were good after 2006

inb4 hurr durr zelda rehash

no, just no

HaloinventedFPS

You used to be less obvioius.:(

name good DS games after 2006 that were not Pokemon or Zelda

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

You used to be less obvioius.:(

charizard1605

name good DS games after 2006 that were not Pokemon or Zelda

rehashes and generic JRPG's no one cares about, Ghost Trick was DS's swan song, GTA china town was better on PSP, professor layton is allright

my point still stands

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

You used to be less obvioius.:(

charizard1605

name good DS games after 2006 that were not Pokemon or Zelda

rehashes and generic JRPG's no one cares about, Ghost Trick was DS's swan song, GTA china town was better on PSP, professor layton is allright

my point still stands

HaloinventedFPS

You forgot the best handheld game ever made 999.

spookykid143

Whenever someone wants a list of games, I just go to Gamerankings.com, put the system and the year in the search browser, and boom, there you go.

Whenever someone wants a list of games, I just go to Gamerankings.com, put the system and the year in the search browser, and boom, there you go.

arkephonic

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

he is right

touch screen was a gimmick

DS only had Pokemon for the last few years, no other games were good after 2006

inb4 hurr durr zelda rehash

no, just no

HaloinventedFPS

You used to be less obvioius.:(

name good DS games after 2006 that were not Pokemon or Zelda

Haha, come on man! :lol:

You really used to be convincing about it.

Eventually people will start throwing these at you.

I dont want to see you go out like that. :(

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

The DS sure beat up the PSP in tha salez, it's true...although, the PSP has sold more than the Xbox and Gamecube combined. In fact, the PSP has sold more than the PS3 and even the 360. It's sales have been impressive and show that there is room in the market for more than one dominant handheld.

Will the Vita outsell the 3DS? Will the DS destroy the Vita in sales? Maybe, probably...but I don't care. As long as we have a viable platform to get some wonderful games on the platform.

Nintendo is aiming at a MUCH broader audience, that's incredibly obvious. The Vita is not targetted for that, and the pricing scale demonstrates that. The PSP was also more expensive than the DS. In the end, if these products are successful, then we get more games. YAY.

However, the PSP and DS did different things for different people...those arguing about sales, will find that we will probably see a repeat. Who cares though, right? As long as those that buy a 3DS love their 3DS, and those that buy a Vita love their Vita.

Handheld gamers are getting more and more options, good on them.

And this is coming from someone that only plays handhelds when he travels...for the most part. :P

charizard1605

However, those that buy a Vita or PSP can and will argue about their games being better than 3DS games, and vice versa. That's something I can see myself participating in. I can't speak on Sony's philophies, I only can tell you their "arrogance" or whatever it is your thread is about is what is needed for them to design something like the Vita and PSP. That I can get behind.

David Jaffe, Itagaki, Kojima, Gabe Newell, and many others in SW are pointed at for being asshats. I say, if that's how they have to be to give them the drive to create products I like, bring it on.

I don't confuse the Artist, with the Art....or in this case, the attitude of a company PR spokeman with the product they are delivering. :P

My issues with gaming stems from what is delivered to me the consumer. Companies say what they have to say to help sell their product, but at the end of the day, I either buy it or not. I am either grateful it exists or not.

Sony said what they had to say back in 2005 to sell 70+ million PSPs.

My problems with Activision for instance, aren't related to the companies arrogance, it's what they are currently delivering to me the consumer. Same for any company. :P I will look at WHY is this company delivering what I consider subpar product, and yes, I will then take issue with the CEO or whatever.

If you feel the Vita is subpar, then I understand this thread better, since that's how I look at my gaming hobby. :P

Planet Puzzle League

Contra 4

Chrono Trigger

Castlevania Order of Ecclesia

Advance Wars Days of Ruin

Might & Magic Clash of Heroes

Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box / Last Scepter

Kirby Mass Attack

Never even heard of some of these games, but Gamerankings says they're good, lol

Hahah, I remember that like it was yesterday. Deny the competition and you can't lose!

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

The DS sure beat up the PSP in tha salez, it's true...although, the PSP has sold more than the Xbox and Gamecube combined. In fact, the PSP has sold more than the PS3 and even the 360. It's sales have been impressive and show that there is room in the market for more than one dominant handheld.

Will the Vita outsell the 3DS? Will the DS destroy the Vita in sales? Maybe, probably...but I don't care. As long as we have a viable platform to get some wonderful games on the platform.

Nintendo is aiming at a MUCH broader audience, that's incredibly obvious. The Vita is not targetted for that, and the pricing scale demonstrates that. The PSP was also more expensive than the DS. In the end, if these products are successful, then we get more games. YAY.

However, the PSP and DS did different things for different people...those arguing about sales, will find that we will probably see a repeat. Who cares though, right? As long as those that buy a 3DS love their 3DS, and those that buy a Vita love their Vita.

Handheld gamers are getting more and more options, good on them.

And this is coming from someone that only plays handhelds when he travels...for the most part. :P

SolidTy

However, those that buy a Vita or PSP can and will argue about their games being better than 3DS games, and vice versa. That's something I can see myself participating in. I can't speak on Sony's philophies, I only can tell you their "arrogance" or whatever it is your thread is about is what is needed for them to design something like the Vita and PSP. That I can get behind.

David Jaffe, Itagaki, Kojima, Gabe Newell, and many others in SW are pointed at for being asshats. I say, if that's how they have to be to give them the drive to create products I like, bring it on.

I don't confuse the Artist, with the Art....or in this case, the attitude of a company PR spokeman with the product they are delivering. :P

I understand that Sony wants to portray the Vita as an edgier, more mature product driven by the same philosophy, but thing is, that can be done without taking a dump on your competition (especially when said competition has thoroughly handed your hindside to you in a similar market scenario once long ago- yes, differing demographics and approaches, but the point is, both systems were competing in the handheld space, and no one was competing for second space. On its own the PSP was a resounding success, but I'm pretty sure it did worse than what everyone wanted).

After the DS/PSP debacle, I would have hoped Sony would have some sense knocked into them. Evidently not though :(

Planet Puzzle League

Contra 4

Chrono Trigger

Castlevania Order of Ecclesia

Advance Wars Days of Ruin

Might & Magic Clash of Heroes

Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box / Last Scepter

Kirby Mass Attack

Never even heard of some of these games, but Gamerankings says they're good, lol

arkephonic

Planet Puzzle League

Contra 4

Chrono Trigger

Castlevania Order of Ecclesia

Advance Wars Days of Ruin

Might & Magic Clash of Heroes

Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box / Last Scepter

Kirby Mass Attack

Never even heard of some of these games, but Gamerankings says they're good, lol

arkephonic

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Dementium: The WardSlashkice

This does not belong. I heard the sequel was an improvement but the original was a piece of crap. Bought it for a survival-horror fix and was woefully disappointed. :[

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I never said the PSP was a failure, did I? I am in fact one of the most avid defenders of the system on this forum.

charizard1605

No, you didn't and I didn't say you did. There are plenty of things we both didn't say. :P Sony has one direction, Nintendo another, and if we are talking about which direction sells more, then I would argue Nintendo's method is the best route.

However, those that buy a Vita or PSP can and will argue about their games being better than 3DS games, and vice versa. That's something I can see myself participating in. I can't speak on Sony's philophies, I only can tell you their "arrogance" or whatever it is your thread is about is what is needed for them to design something like the Vita and PSP. That I can get behind.

David Jaffe, Itagaki, Kojima, Gabe Newell, and many others in SW are pointed at for being asshats. I say, if that's how they have to be to give them the drive to create products I like, bring it on.

I don't confuse the Artist, with the Art....or in this case, the attitude of a company PR spokeman with the product they are delivering. :P

My issues with gaming stems from what is delivered to me the consumer. Companies say what they have to say to help sell their product, but at the end of the day, I either buy it or not. I am either grateful it exists or not.

Sony said what they had to say back in 2005 to sell 70+ million PSPs.

My problems with Activision for instance, aren't related to the companies arrogance, it's what they are currently delivering to me the consumer. Same for any company. :P I will look at WHY is this company delivering what I consider subpar product, and yes, I will then take issue with the CEO or whatever.

If you feel the Vita is subpar, then I understand this thread better, since that's how I look at my gaming hobby. :P

I understand that Sony wants to portray the Vita as an edgier, more mature product driven by the same philosophy, but thing is, that can be done without taking a dump on your competition (especially when said competition has thoroughly handed your hindside to you in a similar market scenario once long ago- yes, differing demographics and approaches, but the point is, both systems were competing in the handheld space, and no one was competing for second space. On its own the PSP was a resounding success, but I'm pretty sure it did worse than what everyone wanted).

After the DS/PSP debacle, I would have hoped Sony would have some sense knocked into them. Evidently not though :(

I guess that all comes down to what SONY views the PSP as exactly. If SONY found the PSP was successful (which after selling 70 million how could they not) I guess they would like to repeat that success.

So, I don't think Sony views the DS/PSP as a debacle, but rather as a successful first try in the handheld space. Now, I'm sure SONY would have loved to be Number 1, I mean who doesn't, but that didn't happen.

They saw what did work though, and it seems they are deliberately repeating the process. I'm assuming that coming in second place with millions of Vita's sold is their goal this time around as well, based on what I'm seeing regarding pricepoints and marketing demographics.

When we look back 5-7 years from now at the Vita, I'm sure we laugh at the 2012 PR reps statements yet again.

I'll just be keeping in mind, Sony said what they needed to say to sell their Product. Same for Nintendo, etc. Maybe Sony feels they can build on the success of the PSP, and SONY feels they learned a thing or two with the PSP/DS era. Who knows. Maybe the Vita will tank, Maybe the Vita will only sell 30 million, maybe the Vita will outsell the PSP lifetime sales and hit over 80+ Million but still come in second to th e3DS...I can't say. :P

So, while I agree with you it would be nice if these companies didn't say laughable things, It's never going to stop. :P That's why I tell people not to listen to company PR all the time, even current PR speak. :P Take the facts out of the article, if possible, and move on. :P

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Dementium: The Wardcharizard1605

This does not belong. I heard the sequel was an improvement but the original was a piece of crap. Bought it for a survival-horror fix and was woefully disappointed. :[

The DS sure beat up the PSP in tha salez, it's true...although, the PSP has sold more than the Xbox and Gamecube combined. In fact, the PSP has sold more than the PS3 and even the 360. It's sales have been impressive and show that there is room in the market for more than one dominant handheld.

Will the Vita outsell the 3DS? Will the DS destroy the Vita in sales? Maybe, probably...but I don't care. As long as we have a viable platform to get some wonderful games on the platform.

Nintendo is aiming at a MUCH broader audience, that's incredibly obvious. The Vita is not targetted for that, and the pricing scale demonstrates that. The PSP was also more expensive than the DS. In the end, if these products are successful, then we get more games. YAY.

However, the PSP and DS did different things for different people...those arguing about sales, will find that we will probably see a repeat. Who cares though, right? As long as those that buy a 3DS love their 3DS, and those that buy a Vita love their Vita.

Handheld gamers are getting more and more options, good on them.

And this is coming from someone that only plays handhelds when he travels...for the most part. :P

SolidTy

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

No, you didn't and I didn't say you did. There are plenty of things we both didn't say. :P Sony has one direction, Nintendo another, and if we are talking about which direction sells more, then I would argue Nintendo's method is the best route.

However, those that buy a Vita or PSP can and will argue about their games being better than 3DS games, and vice versa. That's something I can see myself participating in. I can't speak on Sony's philophies, I only can tell you their "arrogance" or whatever it is your thread is about is what is needed for them to design something like the Vita and PSP. That I can get behind.

David Jaffe, Itagaki, Kojima, Gabe Newell, and many others in SW are pointed at for being asshats. I say, if that's how they have to be to give them the drive to create products I like, bring it on.

I don't confuse the Artist, with the Art....or in this case, the attitude of a company PR spokeman with the product they are delivering. :P

My issues with gaming stems from what is delivered to me the consumer. Companies say what they have to say to help sell their product, but at the end of the day, I either buy it or not. I am either grateful it exists or not.

Sony said what they had to say back in 2005 to sell 70+ million PSPs.

My problems with Activision for instance, aren't related to the companies arrogance, it's what they are currently delivering to me the consumer. Same for any company. :P I will look at WHY is this company delivering what I consider subpar product, and yes, I will then take issue with the CEO or whatever.

If you feel the Vita is subpar, then I understand this thread better, since that's how I look at my gaming hobby. :P

SolidTy

I understand that Sony wants to portray the Vita as an edgier, more mature product driven by the same philosophy, but thing is, that can be done without taking a dump on your competition (especially when said competition has thoroughly handed your hindside to you in a similar market scenario once long ago- yes, differing demographics and approaches, but the point is, both systems were competing in the handheld space, and no one was competing for second space. On its own the PSP was a resounding success, but I'm pretty sure it did worse than what everyone wanted).

After the DS/PSP debacle, I would have hoped Sony would have some sense knocked into them. Evidently not though :(

I guess that all comes down to what SONY views the PSP as exactly. If SONY found the PSP was successful (which after selling 70 million how could they not) I guess they would like to repeat that success.

So, I don't think Sony views the DS/PSP as a debacle, but rather as a successful first try in the handheld space. Now, I'm sure SONY would have loved to be Number 1, I mean who doesn't, but that didn't happen.

They saw what did work though, and it seems they are deliberately repeating the process. I'm assuming that coming in second place with millions of Vita's sold is their goal this time around as well, based on what I'm seeing regarding pricepoints and marketing demographics.

When we look back 5-7 years from now at the Vita, I'm sure we laugh at the 2012 PR reps statements yet again.

I'll just be keeping in mind, Sony said what they needed to say to sell their Product. Same for Nintendo, etc. Maybe Sony feels they can build on the success of the PSP, and SONY feels they learned a thing or two with the PSP/DS era. Who knows. Maybe the Vita will tank, Maybe the Vita will only sell 30 million, maybe it will outsell the PSP and hit over 80+ Million...I can't say. :P

So, while I agree with you it would be nice if these companies didn't say laughable things, It's never going to stop. :P That's why I tell people not to listen to company PR all the time, even current PR speak. :P Take the facts out of the article, if possible, and move on. :P

A Sony that does well keeps Nintendo on its feet, and therefore on its A game (as it has been since the 3DS price drop last year). That is the kind of Nintendo I want, the one that drops prices, offers free games, offers apps to expand handhelds, makes good on promises, offers major firmware upgrades, releases several quality titles, and offers fixes and solutions for third parties and consumers. I don't want a Nintendo that launches an overpriced handheld at $249 with no launch games and none of the promised features.

So the Vita doing well is important I think, if only because I feel that doomed Nintendo is the best Nintendo :P

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Slashkice"]

This does not belong. I heard the sequel was an improvement but the original was a piece of crap. Bought it for a survival-horror fix and was woefully disappointed. :[

spookykid143

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Oh, I get what you are saying now.

I understand that Sony wants to portray the Vita as an edgier, more mature product driven by the same philosophy, but thing is, that can be done without taking a dump on your competition (especially when said competition has thoroughly handed your hindside to you in a similar market scenario once long ago- yes, differing demographics and approaches, but the point is, both systems were competing in the handheld space, and no one was competing for second space. On its own the PSP was a resounding success, but I'm pretty sure it did worse than what everyone wanted).

After the DS/PSP debacle, I would have hoped Sony would have some sense knocked into them. Evidently not though :(

charizard1605

I guess that all comes down to what SONY views the PSP as exactly. If SONY found the PSP was successful (which after selling 70 million how could they not) I guess they would like to repeat that success.

So, I don't think Sony views the DS/PSP as a debacle, but rather as a successful first try in the handheld space. Now, I'm sure SONY would have loved to be Number 1, I mean who doesn't, but that didn't happen.

They saw what did work though, and it seems they are deliberately repeating the process. I'm assuming that coming in second place with millions of Vita's sold is their goal this time around as well, based on what I'm seeing regarding pricepoints and marketing demographics.

When we look back 5-7 years from now at the Vita, I'm sure we laugh at the 2012 PR reps statements yet again.

I'll just be keeping in mind, Sony said what they needed to say to sell their Product. Same for Nintendo, etc. Maybe Sony feels they can build on the success of the PSP, and SONY feels they learned a thing or two with the PSP/DS era. Who knows. Maybe the Vita will tank, Maybe the Vita will only sell 30 million, maybe it will outsell the PSP and hit over 80+ Million...I can't say. :P

So, while I agree with you it would be nice if these companies didn't say laughable things, It's never going to stop. :P That's why I tell people not to listen to company PR all the time, even current PR speak. :P Take the facts out of the article, if possible, and move on. :P

A Sony that does well keeps Nintendo on its feet, and therefore on its A game (as it has been since the 3DS price drop last year). That is the kind of Nintendo I want, the one that drops prices, offers free games, offers apps to expand handhelds, makes good on promises, offers major firmware upgrades, releases several quality titles, and offers fixes and solutions for third parties and consumers. I don't want a Nintendo that launches an overpriced handheld at $249 with no launch games and none of the promised features.

So the Vita doing well is important I think, if only because I feel that doomed Nintendo is the best Nintendo :P

Yes, I'm not even a big handheld fan other than my plane trips/hotels (more of a big Entertainment room fella), but I can agree, competition makes for wonderful games and sometimes wonderful decisions by these companies. :P I like your outlook it's very similar to mine. :)

My experiences with my handhelds though were grand, from Gameboy to Gameboy Color to GameGear to GBA to DS to PSP...so many great memories in previous generations. As I get older, I find I have less time and unfortunately the handhelds get less play time than my other machines. That's not a knock on the games, it's just my personal play habits.

I'm sure if both machines position right and give each good competition, we will see handheld gamers rejoice again this generation of handheld gaming.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]I liked the first one, never played the second :P Shooters on the DS were woefully underrated. Dementium wasn't an outstanding game, but it was good for what it was, I thought. Now Moon, that game was a disappointment...Slashkice

It controlled well, I'll give it that much. Can't say I played many shooters on the DS, but Dementium at least proved to me they could work. But everything else was so blejgldfyk

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I guess that all comes down to what SONY views the PSP as exactly. If SONY found the PSP was successful (which after selling 70 million how could they not) I guess they would like to repeat that success.

So, I don't think Sony views the DS/PSP as a debacle, but rather as a successful first try in the handheld space. Now, I'm sure SONY would have loved to be Number 1, I mean who doesn't, but that didn't happen.

They saw what did work though, and it seems they are deliberately repeating the process. I'm assuming that coming in second place with millions of Vita's sold is their goal this time around as well, based on what I'm seeing regarding pricepoints and marketing demographics.

When we look back 5-7 years from now at the Vita, I'm sure we laugh at the 2012 PR reps statements yet again.

I'll just be keeping in mind, Sony said what they needed to say to sell their Product. Same for Nintendo, etc. Maybe Sony feels they can build on the success of the PSP, and SONY feels they learned a thing or two with the PSP/DS era. Who knows. Maybe the Vita will tank, Maybe the Vita will only sell 30 million, maybe it will outsell the PSP and hit over 80+ Million...I can't say. :P

So, while I agree with you it would be nice if these companies didn't say laughable things, It's never going to stop. :P That's why I tell people not to listen to company PR all the time, even current PR speak. :P Take the facts out of the article, if possible, and move on. :P

SolidTy

A Sony that does well keeps Nintendo on its feet, and therefore on its A game (as it has been since the 3DS price drop last year). That is the kind of Nintendo I want, the one that drops prices, offers free games, offers apps to expand handhelds, makes good on promises, offers major firmware upgrades, releases several quality titles, and offers fixes and solutions for third parties and consumers. I don't want a Nintendo that launches an overpriced handheld at $249 with no launch games and none of the promised features.

So the Vita doing well is important I think, if only because I feel that doomed Nintendo is the best Nintendo :P

Yes, I'm not even a big handheld fan other than my plane trips/hotels (more of a big Entertainment room fella), but I can agree, competition makes for wonderful games and sometimes wonderful decisions by these companies. :P I like your outlook it's very similar to mine. :)

My experiences with my handhelds though were grand, from Gameboy to Gameboy Color to GameGear to GBA to DS to PSP...so many great memories in previous generations. As I get older, I find I have less time and unfortunately the handhelds get less play time than my other machines. That's not a knock on the games, it's just my personal play habits.

I'm sure if both machines position right and give each good competition, we will see handheld gamers rejoice again this generation of handheld gaming.

If the Vita is even half the system the PSP was, I will be very happy. The PSP remains one of my all time favorite systems.

(In fact, I can say something similar for the 3DS- if its even half the system the DS was, I will be very happy. The DS IS like one of the greatest systems ever).

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] All I hope for is a very successful Vita. As of right now, my purchase of this system is up in the air, but I want it to do well regardless.

A Sony that does well keeps Nintendo on its feet, and therefore on its A game (as it has been since the 3DS price drop last year). That is the kind of Nintendo I want, the one that drops prices, offers free games, offers apps to expand handhelds, makes good on promises, offers major firmware upgrades, releases several quality titles, and offers fixes and solutions for third parties and consumers. I don't want a Nintendo that launches an overpriced handheld at $249 with no launch games and none of the promised features.

So the Vita doing well is important I think, if only because I feel that doomed Nintendo is the best Nintendo :P

charizard1605

Yes, I'm not even a big handheld fan other than my plane trips/hotels (more of a big Entertainment room fella), but I can agree, competition makes for wonderful games and sometimes wonderful decisions by these companies. :P I like your outlook it's very similar to mine. :)

My experiences with my handhelds though were grand, from Gameboy to Gameboy Color to GameGear to GBA to DS to PSP...so many great memories in previous generations. As I get older, I find I have less time and unfortunately the handhelds get less play time than my other machines. That's not a knock on the games, it's just my personal play habits.

I'm sure if both machines position right and give each good competition, we will see handheld gamers rejoice again this generation of handheld gaming.

If the Vita is even half the system the PSP was, I will be very happy. The PSP remains one of my all time favorite systems.

(In fact, I can say something similar for the 3DS- if its even half the system the DS was, I will be very happy. The DS IS like one of the greatest systems ever).

I totally agree! :)

The DS was amazing man, my DS library is huge...I ended up buying three of them, lol. Not because they broke, I just had to try different models, lol.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

name good DS games after 2006 that were not Pokemon or Zelda

HaloinventedFPS

rehashes and generic JRPG's no one cares about, Ghost Trick was DS's swan song, GTA china town was better on PSP, professor layton is allright

my point still stands

On top of that, why does being a JRPG stop ANYTHING on that list?

They did the same thing with motion controls.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

name good DS games after 2006 that were not Pokemon or Zelda

HaloinventedFPS

rehashes and generic JRPG's no one cares about, Ghost Trick was DS's swan song, GTA china town was better on PSP, professor layton is allright

my point still stands

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Yes, I'm not even a big handheld fan other than my plane trips/hotels (more of a big Entertainment room fella), but I can agree, competition makes for wonderful games and sometimes wonderful decisions by these companies. :P I like your outlook it's very similar to mine. :)

My experiences with my handhelds though were grand, from Gameboy to Gameboy Color to GameGear to GBA to DS to PSP...so many great memories in previous generations. As I get older, I find I have less time and unfortunately the handhelds get less play time than my other machines. That's not a knock on the games, it's just my personal play habits.

I'm sure if both machines position right and give each good competition, we will see handheld gamers rejoice again this generation of handheld gaming.

SolidTy

If the Vita is even half the system the PSP was, I will be very happy. The PSP remains one of my all time favorite systems.

(In fact, I can say something similar for the 3DS- if its even half the system the DS was, I will be very happy. The DS IS like one of the greatest systems ever).

I totally agree! :)

The DS was amazing man, my DS library is huge...I ended up buying three of them, lol. Not because they broke, I just had to try different models, lol.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Yeah, it's hard to find time for all gaming systems as other things in life get prioritized, and something or the other has to get the ax (PC games were the first to go for me, personally, so I know what you are saying).

If the Vita is even half the system the PSP was, I will be very happy. The PSP remains one of my all time favorite systems.

(In fact, I can say something similar for the 3DS- if its even half the system the DS was, I will be very happy. The DS IS like one of the greatest systems ever).

WilliamRLBaker

I totally agree! :)

The DS was amazing man, my DS library is huge...I ended up buying three of them, lol. Not because they broke, I just had to try different models, lol.

True, and in my defense, I wanted to play certain games like Tetris with the lady and friends. :)

That's what I hate about handhelds, you need multiple machines to do Multiplayer. :P

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

The truth is that it's not absolutely one thing or another, and how things weigh out is different according to circumstances. The PSP did not sell as many units as it did without it being an attractive product. If you focus too much on the idea of it being a competition, you'll forget that competition is the industry in a healthy state, and #1 isn't the only number that matters.

charizard1605

PR is PR. It's not actually reflective of what a company thinks. It's PR's job to pretend like nothing is wrong.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

The truth is that it's not absolutely one thing or another, and how things weigh out is different according to circumstances. The PSP did not sell as many units as it did without it being an attractive product. If you focus too much on the idea of it being a competition, you'll forget that competition is the industry in a healthy state, and #1 isn't the only number that matters.

hakanakumono

PR is PR. It's not actually reflective of what a company thinks. It's PR's job to pretend like nothing is wrong.

They're companies. Phil Harrison, who has long since left Sony anyway, said something arrogant. Steve Ballmer acts crazy on stage. Shuhei Yoshida is the epitome of awesome.

Yes, they're representatives of the corporations, but it's not like they're an avatar of the company they work for. Ergo, I can't see how these perceptions can still persist a decade later.

Anyway, I'm not sure why it has to be an either/or situation with tech and games - why can't it be high-tech hardware and great games.