A lot of people complain that Wii is killing gaming........

But I think it's bringing things back home in terms of gaming. I hate that I have to see a total of like 6 different consoles all recieve the same games, so as each version gets compaired you're always seeing the boutique version and then the $H!T version. I think the best thing about gaming for me when I was young was that it was basically only two consoles (sony vs nintendo, which has changed but it's fine by me), and games that came out for each console didn't get dragged over onto the other one.

yea, a lot of games that come out now for all the platforms is gonna look crap on wii because developers arent going to sit on their @$$es to perfect and fine tune each version; their theory is someone's going to go grab the most expensive console's version because it's going to reflect their work the prettiest. It's the first party's job to make things look good on their own system as far as third parties are concerned.

Part of the reason gamecube "lost" (which is cowflop to me because I can always find something worth playing on it) was there just weren't that many 1st party, classic nintendo games coming out on it. The approach was "ok, we've got the same two dinky joysticks and pairings of four main facebuttons on our controller, lets release anything and everything, nintendo fans will want to be able to play something different." There was hardly any mario, hardly any zelda, but apparently there was a whole CRAPLOAD of sonic. Then there's Tak, Crash, Spyro, wtf? Personally I think once nintendo gets to working on their great titles (which should be the heavyweight) like Mario, Zelda, etc, I think there will be a lot more for people to enjoy again (and same thing goes for sony and microsoft, get some characters symbolic of your company). Hell, I'd be happy to see another shooter the same calibur as goldeneye/perfect dark sometime again soon. what do you think?

How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.gamerchris810

Not when it promotes crappy games :)

How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.gamerchris810

If you can't tell, I'm kidding.

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.taikthebate

Not when it promotes crappy games :)

Wow. I didnt know all Wii games were crappy. :roll:

How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.gamerchris810

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

[QUOTE="taikthebate"]

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.web966

Not when it promotes crappy games :)

Wow. I didnt know all Wii games were crappy. :roll:

Neither did I.

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.taikthebate

Not when it promotes crappy games :)

half game console is killing real games. just wait few years and see what happens. same thing that happened to TV will happen to games.

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.taikthebate

Not when it promotes crappy games :)

[QUOTE="taikthebate"]

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.flclempire

Not when it promotes crappy games :)

It promoted great games too :)

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.tomarlyn

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

Wouldnt you say the system that sells more be the 'better' system? or does the opinion of the consumers as a mass
no longer matter?

Techs and Specs do not make a console, the consumers make or break a console. From this stand point Wii is a great
system. I dont see millions of great fantastic games out on the ps3? (im talking about ones released right now
since people always compare ps3 future line up with wii's current line up)

It promoted great games too :)

taikthebate

[QUOTE="taikthebate"]

It promoted great games too :)

nintendofreak_2

If people are reffering to my first post I wasn't talking about the Wii. It was just a generic statement.

If people are reffering to my first post I wasn't talking about the Wii. It was just a generic statement.

taikthebate

[QUOTE="taikthebate"]

If people are reffering to my first post I wasn't talking about the Wii. It was just a generic statement.

nintendofreak_2

Did I?

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.tomarlyn

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

Um, wasn't it proven that developers wouldn't make a profit by just making shovelware for Wii, in Dencores "Ownage to Wii haters" thread?..

Did I?

taikthebate

[QUOTE="taikthebate"]

Did I?

nintendofreak_2

OK

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.goodlay

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

Um, wasn't it proven that developers wouldn't make a profit by just making shovelware for Wii, in Dencores "Ownage to Wii haters" thread?..

yea well apparently that never translated through to third party developers, which means it never really got through to joeamis who has to bash a console, probably claiming that it's like it's predecessor (since that's what 3/4 of the lemmings do to begin with), talk about how crappy the gameplay, graphics, and cpu are stupid.

which turns out to be hilarious because all the first party titles nintendo is producing have yet to prove that they are in fact failures, and gamecube actually was analyzed to be as powerful as the xbox, if not more

[QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.scorpionldr

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

Um, wasn't it proven that developers wouldn't make a profit by just making shovelware for Wii, in Dencores "Ownage to Wii haters" thread?..

yea well apparently that never translated through to third party developers, which means it never really got through to joeamis who has to bash a console, probably claiming that it's like it's predecessor (since that's what 3/4 of the lemmings do to begin with), talk about how crappy the gameplay, graphics, and cpu are stupid.

which turns out to be hilarious because all the first party titles nintendo is producing have yet to prove that they are in fact failures, and gamecube actually was analyzed to be as powerful as the xbox, if not more

Ha I never claimed Wii was like its predecessor. I own a GC & bought one to support Nintendo. I waited and didn't buy a PS1 until after I bought a N64 just to help Nintendo. But Nintendo has changed, sold out. I bought a DS too, but then realized despite what everyone's saying PSP has more quality titles than the DS, unless you're a kid. Nintendo wants to make simple games now, go for sales from people who know little to nothing about videogames. While 3rd parties realize its not worth spending the money to make quality games on Wii because they won't be able to beat Nintendo's 1st party sales. So we're left with Nintendo making casual games & rehashes of franchises over 20 years old. The only reason they made the Wii specs so low was so they could pump out 1st party games faster. So if you want casual & minigames, bad graphics, gimmick halfbaked controls, stupid AI, less cinematic, blurry textures, inferior sound, online play from 1999, and a casual userbase who is going to forget about the Wii soon then go ahead and blindly support Nintendo's new scheme.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.goodlay

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

Um, wasn't it proven that developers wouldn't make a profit by just making shovelware for Wii, in Dencores "Ownage to Wii haters" thread?..

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.taikthebate

Not when it promotes crappy games :)

Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire?

And wow, how did gaming live through the Saturn and Dreamcast and N-Gage?

Those massive budget flops like Lair is what is killing gaming. Devs taking way too much time on visuals and not enough on making a quality gameplay experince is killing gaming.dotWithShoes

[QUOTE="scorpionldr"][QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.joeamis

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

Um, wasn't it proven that developers wouldn't make a profit by just making shovelware for Wii, in Dencores "Ownage to Wii haters" thread?..

yea well apparently that never translated through to third party developers, which means it never really got through to joeamis who has to bash a console, probably claiming that it's like it's predecessor (since that's what 3/4 of the lemmings do to begin with), talk about how crappy the gameplay, graphics, and cpu are stupid.

which turns out to be hilarious because all the first party titles nintendo is producing have yet to prove that they are in fact failures, and gamecube actually was analyzed to be as powerful as the xbox, if not more

Ha I never claimed Wii was like its predecessor. I own a GC & bought one to support Nintendo. I waited and didn't buy a PS1 until after I bought a N64 just to help Nintendo. But Nintendo has changed, sold out. I bought a DS too, but then realized despite what everyone's saying PSP has more quality titles than the DS, unless you're a kid. Nintendo wants to make simple games now, go for sales from people who know little to nothing about videogames. While 3rd parties realize its not worth spending the money to make quality games on Wii because they won't be able to beat Nintendo's 1st party sales. So we're left with Nintendo making casual games & rehashes of franchises over 20 years old. The only reason they made the Wii specs so low was so they could pump out 1st party games faster. So if you want casual & minigames, bad graphics, gimmick halfbaked controls, stupid AI, less cinematic, blurry textures, inferior sound, online play from 1999, and a casual userbase who is going to forget about the Wii soon then go ahead and blindly support Nintendo's new scheme.

You couldn't be more wrong. And if you weren't as immature and ignorant as you are, you'd realize how the Wii is aiding the gaming industry by lowering the barriers of entry. In other words, companies that have great ideas for games, but don't quite have the money for the slick-presentation required for Xbox360 and PS3, have a platform to express themselves on. Why do you think the Playstation 2 is still more popular than the PS3 and Xbox360? If you weren't as immature and ignorant as you are, you'd realize that 3rd parties are literally flocking to the Wii because of the low specs, and because of how easy Nintendo made it. You accuse Wii-gamers of "blindly supporting Nintendo" and yet you are blindly unsupportive of them. The Playstation 3 killed gaming by dumping millions of dollars into games likeLair. The Xbox360 killed gaming when over 1/3rd of their consoles were malfunctioning. Nintendo killed gaming by not having bleeding-edge technology in their system? Don't make me laugh. The Wii ain't going anywhere buddy, and it'd be better to embrace it instead of mocking and ignoring it as it dominates this generation in sales and games.

If you want a future full of casual games, minigames, bad graphics, halfbaked control schemes, lesser AI, less cinematic, blurry textures, inferior sound, lackluster online play, and casuals hyping things up early but then quitting farther into a systems life cycle then by all means support the Wii and what it will do for gaming.....joeamis

There's some part of me that doesn't want to admit that this statement as a general rule is true, but it is.

[QUOTE="joeamis"][QUOTE="scorpionldr"][QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.mdisen

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

Um, wasn't it proven that developers wouldn't make a profit by just making shovelware for Wii, in Dencores "Ownage to Wii haters" thread?..

yea well apparently that never translated through to third party developers, which means it never really got through to joeamis who has to bash a console, probably claiming that it's like it's predecessor (since that's what 3/4 of the lemmings do to begin with), talk about how crappy the gameplay, graphics, and cpu are stupid.

which turns out to be hilarious because all the first party titles nintendo is producing have yet to prove that they are in fact failures, and gamecube actually was analyzed to be as powerful as the xbox, if not more

Ha I never claimed Wii was like its predecessor. I own a GC & bought one to support Nintendo. I waited and didn't buy a PS1 until after I bought a N64 just to help Nintendo. But Nintendo has changed, sold out. I bought a DS too, but then realized despite what everyone's saying PSP has more quality titles than the DS, unless you're a kid. Nintendo wants to make simple games now, go for sales from people who know little to nothing about videogames. While 3rd parties realize its not worth spending the money to make quality games on Wii because they won't be able to beat Nintendo's 1st party sales. So we're left with Nintendo making casual games & rehashes of franchises over 20 years old. The only reason they made the Wii specs so low was so they could pump out 1st party games faster. So if you want casual & minigames, bad graphics, gimmick halfbaked controls, stupid AI, less cinematic, blurry textures, inferior sound, online play from 1999, and a casual userbase who is going to forget about the Wii soon then go ahead and blindly support Nintendo's new scheme.

You couldn't be more wrong. And if you weren't as immature and ignorant as you are, you'd realize how the Wii is aiding the gaming industry by lowering the barriers of entry. In other words, companiesthat havegreat ideas for games, but don't quite have the money for the slick-presentation required for Xbox360 and PS3, have a platform to express themselves on. Why do you think the Playstation 2 is still more popular than the PS3 and Xbox360? If you weren't as immature and ignorant as you are, you'd realize that 3rd parties and literally flocking to the Wii because of the low specs, and because of how easy Nintendo made it. You accuse Wii-gamers of "blindly supporting Nintendo" and yet you are blindly unsupportive of them. The Playstation 3 killed gaming by dumping millions of dollars into games Lair. The Xbox360 killed gaming when over 1/3rd of their consoles were malfunctioning. Nintendo killed gaming by not having bleeding-edge technology in their console? Don't make me laugh. The Wii ain't going anywhere buddy, andit'd bebetter to embrace it instead of ignoring it as it dominates this generation in sales and games.

Cannot be better said. Thank you.

TC I've tried this, it's completly pointless. THEY WON'T LISTEN TO YOU.

Wii killing gaming = damage control plain and simple. There is room for all audiences in the videogame arena.
Blackbond

I agree with that statement. The only thing is that there has been no system in gaming history that has targeted the hardcore *save SEGA consoles*. The PS2 wasn't targeting hardcore gamers, it was targeting college kids and those rebel highschoolers. The 360 isn't targeting gamers, it's targeting college kids and well once again those rebel highschoolers.

The Wii like the PSone did in the 90's with the kid and nerd market, staryed away from the typical market focus of these groups and targets adults and woman. The Wii has plenty of gamer focus games coming out.

I think the only complaint people can see is that it strays away from the whole American stereotypical aspect of "If it doesn't have a gun in it or isn't cool."

Saying the Wii doesn't have any gamer focused games is just an embarrassment on their part.

Also seriously how are the PS3 and 360 hardcore?

Paying for maps and characters?

Recieving many hyped games as ports or multiplats instead of ground up projects that utilize the systems features?

Autoaim?

Paying for inferior online?

Dumbed down franchises *Oblivion/RainbowSix*?

Imitading a different system *PC* instead of trying to do what the system you purchased does best?

Using high end tech. as a trumph card just so it can be surpassed in one year by another system *PC*?

Shunning away gamer dedicated devs such as TripWire and Vanillaware in favor of EA and Square-Enix?

And people call these "gamer systems"?

What a joke.

There's only one "hardcore" system and that's the PC because it isn't owned by anybody and is as hardcore as you want to make it.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.metalisticpain

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

Wouldnt you say the system that sells more be the 'better' system? or does the opinion of the consumers as a mass
no longer matter?

Techs and Specs do not make a console, the consumers make or break a console. From this stand point Wii is a great
system. I dont see millions of great fantastic games out on the ps3? (im talking about ones released right now
since people always compare ps3 future line up with wii's current line up)

You're right, but in the messed up logic of System Wars, the consumer's opinion doesn't count and the psychotic ramblings of a few fanboys do.

[QUOTE="mdisen"][QUOTE="joeamis"][QUOTE="scorpionldr"][QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.ssj_ken

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

Um, wasn't it proven that developers wouldn't make a profit by just making shovelware for Wii, in Dencores "Ownage to Wii haters" thread?..

yea well apparently that never translated through to third party developers, which means it never really got through to joeamis who has to bash a console, probably claiming that it's like it's predecessor (since that's what 3/4 of the lemmings do to begin with), talk about how crappy the gameplay, graphics, and cpu are stupid.

which turns out to be hilarious because all the first party titles nintendo is producing have yet to prove that they are in fact failures, and gamecube actually was analyzed to be as powerful as the xbox, if not more

Ha I never claimed Wii was like its predecessor. I own a GC & bought one to support Nintendo. I waited and didn't buy a PS1 until after I bought a N64 just to help Nintendo. But Nintendo has changed, sold out. I bought a DS too, but then realized despite what everyone's saying PSP has more quality titles than the DS, unless you're a kid. Nintendo wants to make simple games now, go for sales from people who know little to nothing about videogames. While 3rd parties realize its not worth spending the money to make quality games on Wii because they won't be able to beat Nintendo's 1st party sales. So we're left with Nintendo making casual games & rehashes of franchises over 20 years old. The only reason they made the Wii specs so low was so they could pump out 1st party games faster. So if you want casual & minigames, bad graphics, gimmick halfbaked controls, stupid AI, less cinematic, blurry textures, inferior sound, online play from 1999, and a casual userbase who is going to forget about the Wii soon then go ahead and blindly support Nintendo's new scheme.

You couldn't be more wrong. And if you weren't as immature and ignorant as you are, you'd realize how the Wii is aiding the gaming industry by lowering the barriers of entry. In other words, companiesthat havegreat ideas for games, but don't quite have the money for the slick-presentation required for Xbox360 and PS3, have a platform to express themselves on. Why do you think the Playstation 2 is still more popular than the PS3 and Xbox360? If you weren't as immature and ignorant as you are, you'd realize that 3rd parties and literally flocking to the Wii because of the low specs, and because of how easy Nintendo made it. You accuse Wii-gamers of "blindly supporting Nintendo" and yet you are blindly unsupportive of them. The Playstation 3 killed gaming by dumping millions of dollars into games Lair. The Xbox360 killed gaming when over 1/3rd of their consoles were malfunctioning. Nintendo killed gaming by not having bleeding-edge technology in their console? Don't make me laugh. The Wii ain't going anywhere buddy, andit'd bebetter to embrace it instead of ignoring it as it dominates this generation in sales and games.

Cannot be better said. Thank you.

QFT!!

[QUOTE="joeamis"][QUOTE="scorpionldr"][QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.mdisen

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

Um, wasn't it proven that developers wouldn't make a profit by just making shovelware for Wii, in Dencores "Ownage to Wii haters" thread?..

yea well apparently that never translated through to third party developers, which means it never really got through to joeamis who has to bash a console, probably claiming that it's like it's predecessor (since that's what 3/4 of the lemmings do to begin with), talk about how crappy the gameplay, graphics, and cpu are stupid.

which turns out to be hilarious because all the first party titles nintendo is producing have yet to prove that they are in fact failures, and gamecube actually was analyzed to be as powerful as the xbox, if not more

Ha I never claimed Wii was like its predecessor. I own a GC & bought one to support Nintendo. I waited and didn't buy a PS1 until after I bought a N64 just to help Nintendo. But Nintendo has changed, sold out. I bought a DS too, but then realized despite what everyone's saying PSP has more quality titles than the DS, unless you're a kid. Nintendo wants to make simple games now, go for sales from people who know little to nothing about videogames. While 3rd parties realize its not worth spending the money to make quality games on Wii because they won't be able to beat Nintendo's 1st party sales. So we're left with Nintendo making casual games & rehashes of franchises over 20 years old. The only reason they made the Wii specs so low was so they could pump out 1st party games faster. So if you want casual & minigames, bad graphics, gimmick halfbaked controls, stupid AI, less cinematic, blurry textures, inferior sound, online play from 1999, and a casual userbase who is going to forget about the Wii soon then go ahead and blindly support Nintendo's new scheme.

You couldn't be more wrong. And if you weren't as immature and ignorant as you are, you'd realize how the Wii is aiding the gaming industry by lowering the barriers of entry. In other words, companies that have great ideas for games, but don't quite have the money for the slick-presentation required for Xbox360 and PS3, have a platform to express themselves on. Why do you think the Playstation 2 is still more popular than the PS3 and Xbox360? If you weren't as immature and ignorant as you are, you'd realize that 3rd parties are literally flocking to the Wii because of the low specs, and because of how easy Nintendo made it. You accuse Wii-gamers of "blindly supporting Nintendo" and yet you are blindly unsupportive of them. The Playstation 3 killed gaming by dumping millions of dollars into games likeLair. The Xbox360 killed gaming when over 1/3rd of their consoles were malfunctioning. Nintendo killed gaming by not having bleeding-edge technology in their system? Don't make me laugh. The Wii ain't going anywhere buddy, and it'd be better to embrace it instead of mocking and ignoring it as it dominates this generation in sales and games.

Oh lowering the barriers of entry.... lol oh come one Je5u... h ...C. XBLA & XNA has done a lot more to lower the barriers of entry than Nintendo. So now why don't you name all the developers that have been able to release games on Wii because
"Nintendo so lowered the barriers". The PS2 success was because of many other factors than what you believe, primarily it was because of the price & games. 3rd parties go wherever the money is, the truth is Wii specs are so pathetic that the 3rd parties will continue to push out whatever crap they can to make money, continuing a legacy of crap games cheap to produce that will sell semi well & make money, and bring down the industry as a whole. How am I blindly unsupportive if I state reasons why I have once supported Nintendo but realized now its not the logical thing to do? Those who support them now are those who're blind, not realizing the damage they're doing. You make a lot of sense saying PS3 is responsible for Lair, ya ofcourse a console is responsible for every single game that comes out for it... 360 hasn't killed gaming, everyone has looked over the hardware problems due to... something called.... games, which matter the most. The Wii is doing well right now, but guess what... 65% of those who bought it ARE CASUALS. They won't be here in a year. The wii doesn't sell as much software as 360 and it will only go downhill in 2008 and beyond. Its nothing buy a gimmick.

[QUOTE="mdisen"][QUOTE="joeamis"][QUOTE="scorpionldr"][QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.joeamis

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

Um, wasn't it proven that developers wouldn't make a profit by just making shovelware for Wii, in Dencores "Ownage to Wii haters" thread?..

yea well apparently that never translated through to third party developers, which means it never really got through to joeamis who has to bash a console, probably claiming that it's like it's predecessor (since that's what 3/4 of the lemmings do to begin with), talk about how crappy the gameplay, graphics, and cpu are stupid.

which turns out to be hilarious because all the first party titles nintendo is producing have yet to prove that they are in fact failures, and gamecube actually was analyzed to be as powerful as the xbox, if not more

Ha I never claimed Wii was like its predecessor. I own a GC & bought one to support Nintendo. I waited and didn't buy a PS1 until after I bought a N64 just to help Nintendo. But Nintendo has changed, sold out. I bought a DS too, but then realized despite what everyone's saying PSP has more quality titles than the DS, unless you're a kid. Nintendo wants to make simple games now, go for sales from people who know little to nothing about videogames. While 3rd parties realize its not worth spending the money to make quality games on Wii because they won't be able to beat Nintendo's 1st party sales. So we're left with Nintendo making casual games & rehashes of franchises over 20 years old. The only reason they made the Wii specs so low was so they could pump out 1st party games faster. So if you want casual & minigames, bad graphics, gimmick halfbaked controls, stupid AI, less cinematic, blurry textures, inferior sound, online play from 1999, and a casual userbase who is going to forget about the Wii soon then go ahead and blindly support Nintendo's new scheme.

You couldn't be more wrong. And if you weren't as immature and ignorant as you are, you'd realize how the Wii is aiding the gaming industry by lowering the barriers of entry. In other words, companies that have great ideas for games, but don't quite have the money for the slick-presentation required for Xbox360 and PS3, have a platform to express themselves on. Why do you think the Playstation 2 is still more popular than the PS3 and Xbox360? If you weren't as immature and ignorant as you are, you'd realize that 3rd parties are literally flocking to the Wii because of the low specs, and because of how easy Nintendo made it. You accuse Wii-gamers of "blindly supporting Nintendo" and yet you are blindly unsupportive of them. The Playstation 3 killed gaming by dumping millions of dollars into games likeLair. The Xbox360 killed gaming when over 1/3rd of their consoles were malfunctioning. Nintendo killed gaming by not having bleeding-edge technology in their system? Don't make me laugh. The Wii ain't going anywhere buddy, and it'd be better to embrace it instead of mocking and ignoring it as it dominates this generation in sales and games.

Oh lowering the barriers of entry.... lol oh come one Je5u... h ...C. XBLA & XNA has done a lot more to lower the barriers of entry than Nintendo. So now why don't you name all the developers that have been able to release games on Wii because
"Nintendo so lowered the barriers". The PS2 success was because of many other factors than what you believe, primarily it was because of the price & games. 3rd parties go wherever the money is, the truth is Wii specs are so pathetic that the 3rd parties will continue to push out whatever crap they can to make money, continuing a legacy of crap games cheap to produce that will sell semi well & make money, and bring down the industry as a whole. How am I blindly unsupportive if I state reasons why I have once supported Nintendo but realized now its not the logical thing to do? Those who support them now are those who're blind, not realizing the damage they're doing. You make a lot of sense saying PS3 is responsible for Lair, ya ofcourse a console is responsible for every single game that comes out for it... 360 hasn't killed gaming, everyone has looked over the hardware problems due to... something called.... games, which matter the most. The Wii is doing well right now, but guess what... 65% of those who bought it ARE CASUALS. They won't be here in a year. The wii doesn't sell as much software as 360 and it will only go downhill in 2008 and beyond. Its nothing buy a gimmick.

So.....admist your crap spelling, let me just get this straight? Wii, a console almost twice the power of gamecube, is LESS powerful? real smart. And don't start on that crap with how 360 and PS3 dorf the graphics......it's obvious. Obvious that people will shove 300-400 bucks in the hole for a good computer stuck in a crap box (hence why they're so much bigger anyways). The only console that got anywhere so far by that technique was 360, PS3 is getting murdered no matter what people say. as for 3rd parties, again, there's almost nothing there, the consumers can see the quality of those compared to the brand name's games. just like with controllers, just like with anything else. my guess on the 3rd parties that are going to be good, which i'm not seeing much from yet, are eidos/free radical and activision. anthing they did for cube selled well. just my thoughts

[QUOTE="joeamis"][QUOTE="mdisen"][QUOTE="joeamis"][QUOTE="scorpionldr"][QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]How does a console kill gaming? It helps it if anything.scorpionldr

If its a bad system compared to its competitors that sells like hotcakes and publishers divert resources to it, then its a bad thing.

But so far this gen it seems 3rd party publishers are more eager to develop high-cost premium titles that can be ported between PC/360/PS3 hardware, then release mediocre cash-ins on the Wii. Its more sensible that way in terms of profit and resource management.

Um, wasn't it proven that developers wouldn't make a profit by just making shovelware for Wii, in Dencores "Ownage to Wii haters" thread?..

yea well apparently that never translated through to third party developers, which means it never really got through to joeamis who has to bash a console, probably claiming that it's like it's predecessor (since that's what 3/4 of the lemmings do to begin with), talk about how crappy the gameplay, graphics, and cpu are stupid.

which turns out to be hilarious because all the first party titles nintendo is producing have yet to prove that they are in fact failures, and gamecube actually was analyzed to be as powerful as the xbox, if not more

Ha I never claimed Wii was like its predecessor. I own a GC & bought one to support Nintendo. I waited and didn't buy a PS1 until after I bought a N64 just to help Nintendo. But Nintendo has changed, sold out. I bought a DS too, but then realized despite what everyone's saying PSP has more quality titles than the DS, unless you're a kid. Nintendo wants to make simple games now, go for sales from people who know little to nothing about videogames. While 3rd parties realize its not worth spending the money to make quality games on Wii because they won't be able to beat Nintendo's 1st party sales. So we're left with Nintendo making casual games & rehashes of franchises over 20 years old. The only reason they made the Wii specs so low was so they could pump out 1st party games faster. So if you want casual & minigames, bad graphics, gimmick halfbaked controls, stupid AI, less cinematic, blurry textures, inferior sound, online play from 1999, and a casual userbase who is going to forget about the Wii soon then go ahead and blindly support Nintendo's new scheme.

You couldn't be more wrong. And if you weren't as immature and ignorant as you are, you'd realize how the Wii is aiding the gaming industry by lowering the barriers of entry. In other words, companies that have great ideas for games, but don't quite have the money for the slick-presentation required for Xbox360 and PS3, have a platform to express themselves on. Why do you think the Playstation 2 is still more popular than the PS3 and Xbox360? If you weren't as immature and ignorant as you are, you'd realize that 3rd parties are literally flocking to the Wii because of the low specs, and because of how easy Nintendo made it. You accuse Wii-gamers of "blindly supporting Nintendo" and yet you are blindly unsupportive of them. The Playstation 3 killed gaming by dumping millions of dollars into games likeLair. The Xbox360 killed gaming when over 1/3rd of their consoles were malfunctioning. Nintendo killed gaming by not having bleeding-edge technology in their system? Don't make me laugh. The Wii ain't going anywhere buddy, and it'd be better to embrace it instead of mocking and ignoring it as it dominates this generation in sales and games.

Oh lowering the barriers of entry.... lol oh come one Je5u... h ...C. XBLA & XNA has done a lot more to lower the barriers of entry than Nintendo. So now why don't you name all the developers that have been able to release games on Wii because
"Nintendo so lowered the barriers". The PS2 success was because of many other factors than what you believe, primarily it was because of the price & games. 3rd parties go wherever the money is, the truth is Wii specs are so pathetic that the 3rd parties will continue to push out whatever crap they can to make money, continuing a legacy of crap games cheap to produce that will sell semi well & make money, and bring down the industry as a whole. How am I blindly unsupportive if I state reasons why I have once supported Nintendo but realized now its not the logical thing to do? Those who support them now are those who're blind, not realizing the damage they're doing. You make a lot of sense saying PS3 is responsible for Lair, ya ofcourse a console is responsible for every single game that comes out for it... 360 hasn't killed gaming, everyone has looked over the hardware problems due to... something called.... games, which matter the most. The Wii is doing well right now, but guess what... 65% of those who bought it ARE CASUALS. They won't be here in a year. The wii doesn't sell as much software as 360 and it will only go downhill in 2008 and beyond. Its nothing buy a gimmick.

So.....admist your crap spelling, let me just get this straight? Wii, a console almost twice the power of gamecube, is LESS powerful? real smart. And don't start on that crap with how 360 and PS3 dorf the graphics......it's obvious. Obvious that people will shove 300-400 bucks in the hole for a good computer stuck in a crap box (hence why they're so much bigger anyways). The only console that got anywhere so far by that technique was 360, PS3 is getting murdered no matter what people say. as for 3rd parties, again, there's almost nothing there, the consumers can see the quality of those compared to the brand name's games. just like with controllers, just like with anything else. my guess on the 3rd parties that are going to be good, which i'm not seeing much from yet, are eidos/free radical and activision. anthing they did for cube selled well. just my thoughts

I never said Wii is less powerful than GC, you're trying to perpetuate lies. So now you're dissing hardware that takes up more space than the far inferior wii hardware... PS3 is not getting murdered, it has sold roughly half as much as Wii & it is almost triple the price. When PS3 gets cheaper it will catch up, especially when the casuals quit (software wise). Too bad Free Radical ain't working on Wii games, they are working on Haze for PS3 & Timesplitters 3 360/PS3. And you're last run on sentence makes no sense until the very end. edit: Osiris you're completely right, can't be said better than that. Wii is hurting the future of videogames, creating inferior gaming & making society think games are much simpler & petty than they really are.

Oh lowering the barriers of entry.... lol oh come one Je5u... h ...C. XBLA & XNA has done a lot more to lower the barriers of entry than Nintendo. So now why don't you name all the developers that have been able to release games on Wii because
"Nintendo so lowered the barriers". The PS2 success was because of many other factors than what you believe, primarily it was because of the price & games. 3rd parties go wherever the money is, the truth is Wii specs are so pathetic that the 3rd parties will continue to push out whatever crap they can to make money, continuing a legacy of crap games cheap to produce that will sell semi well & make money, and bring down the industry as a whole. How am I blindly unsupportive if I state reasons why I have once supported Nintendo but realized now its not the logical thing to do? Those who support them now are those who're blind, not realizing the damage they're doing. You make a lot of sense saying PS3 is responsible for Lair, ya ofcourse a console is responsible for every single game that comes out for it... 360 hasn't killed gaming, everyone has looked over the hardware problems due to... something called.... games, which matter the most. The Wii is doing well right now, but guess what... 65% of those who bought it ARE CASUALS. They won't be here in a year. The wii doesn't sell as much software as 360 and it will only go downhill in 2008 and beyond. Its nothing buy a gimmick.joeamis

More ignorance. Did you know that about 95% of Wii-owners have owned a console before the Wii? The casuals aren'tcasual at all.And where did this idea that casual gamers only like to play bad, half-baked games? Where did the idea that the Xbox360 and PS3 are bathing in awesome, badass games come from? The answers are "they don't". The Wii hasn't even begun to tap into it's potential unlike the Xbox360 and unlike the PS3. It's sold 12 million units with a library almost as pathetic as the PS3's. Not only will it be here in '08, it'll still be outselling the Xbox360 and PS3.

Well since nintendo is making publishers focus on its casual game **** then those resources are being taken away from serious gaming development. It keeps gaming from being recognized as something to take seriously.osirisomeomi

Nintendo isn't making publishers do anything. The Xbox360 and the PS3 started the "casual" business with games like Oblivion. Oblivion is Morrowind, dumbed down and simplified to attract the casual gamer. I can practically beat Heavenly Sword blind-folded. Square triangle, square triangle. Don't get me started on how "casual" Halo is.

I never said Wii is less powerful than GC, you're trying to perpetuate lies. So now you're dissing hardware that takes up more space than the far inferior wii hardware... PS3 is not getting murdered, it has sold roughly half as much as Wii & it is almost triple the price. When PS3 gets cheaper it will catch up, especially when the casuals quit (software wise). Too bad Free Radical ain't working on Wii games, they are working on Haze for PS3 & Timesplitters 3 360/PS3. And you're last run on sentence makes no sense until the very end. edit: Osiris you're completely right, can't be said better than that. Wii is hurting the future of videogames, creating inferior gaming & making society think games are much simpler & petty than they really are.joeamis

Sorry buddy, the PS3 already had it's price cut and it isn't gaining any ground. Oh, and you can keep Free Radical.

TC I've tried this, it's completly pointless. THEY WON'T LISTEN TO YOU.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Wii killing gaming = damage control plain and simple. There is room for all audiences in the videogame arena.
Dencore

I agree with that statement. The only thing is that there has been no system in gaming history that has targeted the hardcore *save SEGA consoles*. The PS2 wasn't targeting hardcore gamers, it was targeting college kids and those rebel highschoolers. The 360 isn't targeting gamers, it's targeting college kids and well once again those rebel highschoolers.

The Wii like the PSone did in the 90's with the kid and nerd market, staryed away from the typical market focus of these groups and targets adults and woman. The Wii has plenty of gamer focus games coming out.

I think the only complaint people can see is that it strays away from the whole American stereotypical aspect of "If it doesn't have a gun in it or isn't cool."

Saying the Wii doesn't have any gamer focused games is just an embarrassment on their part.

Also seriously how are the PS3 and 360 hardcore?

Paying for maps and characters?

Recieving many hyped games as ports or multiplats instead of ground up projects that utilize the systems features?

Autoaim?

Paying for inferior online?

Dumbed down franchises *Oblivion/RainbowSix*?

Imitading a different system *PC* instead of trying to do what the system you purchased does best?

Using high end tech. as a trumph card just so it can be surpassed in one year by another system *PC*?

Shunning away gamer dedicated devs such as TripWire and Vanillaware in favor of EA and Square-Enix?

And people call these "gamer systems"?

What a joke.

There's only one "hardcore" system and that's the PC because it isn't owned by anybody and is as hardcore as you want to make it.

No just no, more b******t from people like you. Wii is targeting the uber-casual at the heart its the reason behind its entire conception because of the failing market in Japan. Its also delivering fan service to those willing to stick around with their vision. The PS3 and 360 are more hardcore systems with deeper games to get into for any age. Even Reggie has said said they're going after the ''very casual''.

There's nothing wrong with aim assist.
Micro transactions are optional.
Nothing wrong with a premium online service that kicks the crap out of the Wii's.
Dumbed down franchises? GTFO.
How are the 360/PS3 imitating the PC? Extra features are just that extra features, Wiii has them too Dencore.

Your reasons are crap damage control against superior games platforms, I'm very sorry and disappointed.

You're right, but in the messed up logic of System Wars, the consumer's opinion doesn't count and the psychotic ramblings of a few fanboys do.

svetzenlether

Why should the opinion of little Timmy or Joe Casual that base their opinions on advertising and hype count? That opinion is much worse than critical acclaim, fanboy.