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Everybody here pretty much is certian that the PS3s games are trash and the 360 games are the best games ever. That is most defeantly not true. Though the 360 has superior titles than the PS3, the PS3's games aren't trash.

The main difference between the PS3's games and the 360's games has been that developers for the PS3 haven't focused on the most important aspect of gaming, gameplay. Look at games like Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Lair, and Resistance. What do all of these games accell at? Graphics. Heavenly Sword is the best looking hack n' slash ever made. Motorstorm for the time was the best looking racing game (until Forza 2 and PGR4, it looked better than PGR3). Lair is one of the best looking action/adventure games ever (minus a choppy framerate). And at the time Resistance was one of the best looking FPSs on the market.

All of these games had great graphics that showcased the PS3. All but Liar had the gameplay to match (lets not talk about Lair in anything but graphics because it doesn't have anything else. lets face it, the game flat out sucks). The real problem with all of these games is not the fact that they lacked gameplay, instead they lacked length and value.

For example, Heavenly Sword has extremely solid gameplay. Though only being 6 hours long absolutly killed it. If the game had a length of about 15-20 hours depending on the difficulty, it would have scored an easy 9.0.

Motorstorm has fantastic gameplay. To bad the game came with so little. Only a handful of tracks and cars and very few gamemodes.

Resistance had gameplay, had graphics, but it failed in a different department. Originality. The game was pretty much like everything we had ever played before. It wasn't solid enough to give it a 9.0, but it did get a 8.6 which is still a very respectable score.

I am not going to say anything about Ratchet and Clank for the simple reason that every other review has given it much higher marks than Gamespot. Usually that means the game is pretty good. For the rest of the titles mentioned, the scores were very similar.

These games aren't trash. They are all very good games, but there is very little game to found. Heavenly Sword is short. Motorstorm has nothing to it. Resistance had more of the same. Hell even games like Warhawk lack in content but are still very solid games.

Because these games are so lacking in the value department (Resistance being the only exception), they aren't memorable. It seems that the 360 is getting all of the games that are original, or have extremely solid gameplay and lots of value. All of the PS3 games mentioned here had the potential and are all great games when you play them, though they are so short they really don't leave a lasting impression. Instead they leave you unsatified and wanting more.

Now we have Uncharted coming up. Agian this game delievers on gameplay, graphics, and story yet it doesn't have the value. Clocking in at about 12 hours and not having really unique/outstanding gameplay for replayablity is really going to hurt it.

The PS3 games aren't trash. The exclusives are infact very good yet they lack in value. That plus the fact that the PS3 lost many of its exclusives to multiplats has also really hurt the system.

The PS3 does have 3 AAA's and many many more AA games. Just right now it lacks a real killer app. R&C is its first killer app but it has been overshadowed by Halo 3 and GH3. Hopefully with the price drop we will see more PS3s being sold because of R&C.

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too many fanboys here to realize that you are right....

W/e....good post....

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Ahh man... do a summary.

*Ben Stiller's voice*... Do it!

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#4 BioShockOwnz
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I respect your posts, wasdie. R&C a killer app though? Huh? It's a good game, but no killer app.
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#5 gingerdivid
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You still haven't lost that old cow in you Wasdie, despite your alleged change of allegiance. :)

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#6 Always-Honest
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Everybody here.........

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Everybody here pretty much is certian that the PS3s games are trash and the 360 games are the best games ever. That is most defeantly not true. Though the 360 has superior titles than the PS3, the PS3's games aren't trash.

The main difference between the PS3's games and the 360's games has been that developers for the PS3 haven't focused on the most important aspect of gaming, gameplay. Look at games like Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Lair, and Resistance. What do all of these games accell at? Graphics. Heavenly Sword is the best looking hack n' slash ever made. Motorstorm for the time was the best looking racing game (until Forza 2 and PGR4, it looked better than PGR3). Lair is one of the best looking action/adventure games ever (minus a choppy framerate). And at the time Resistance was one of the best looking FPSs on the market.

All of these games had great graphics that showcased the PS3. All but Liar had the gameplay to match (lets not talk about Lair in anything but graphics because it doesn't have anything else. lets face it, the game flat out sucks). The real problem with all of these games is not the fact that they lacked gameplay, instead they lacked length and value.

For example, Heavenly Sword has extremely solid gameplay. Though only being 6 hours long absolutly killed it. If the game had a length of about 15-20 hours depending on the difficulty, it would have scored an easy 9.0.

Motorstorm has fantastic gameplay. To bad the game came with so little. Only a handful of tracks and cars and very few gamemodes.

Resistance had gameplay, had graphics, but it failed in a different department. Originality. The game was pretty much like everything we had ever played before. It wasn't solid enough to give it a 9.0, but it did get a 8.6 which is still a very respectable score.

I am not going to say anything about Ratchet and Clank for the simple reason that every other review has given it much higher marks than Gamespot. Usually that means the game is pretty good. For the rest of the titles mentioned, the scores were very similar.

These games aren't trash. They are all very good games, but there is very little game to found. Heavenly Sword is short. Motorstorm has nothing to it. Resistance had more of the same. Hell even games like Warhawk lack in content but are still very solid games.

Because these games are so lacking in the value department (Resistance being the only exception), they aren't memorable. It seems that the 360 is getting all of the games that are original, or have extremely solid gameplay and lots of value. All of the PS3 games mentioned here had the potential and are all great games when you play them, though they are so short they really don't leave a lasting impression. Instead they leave you unsatified and wanting more.

Now we have Uncharted coming up. Agian this game delievers on gameplay, graphics, and story yet it doesn't have the value. Clocking in at about 12 hours and not having really unique/outstanding gameplay for replayablity is really going to hurt it.

The PS3 games aren't trash. The exclusives are infact very good yet they lack in value. That plus the fact that the PS3 lost many of its exclusives to multiplats has also really hurt the system.

The PS3 does have 3 AAA's and many many more AA games. Just right now it lacks a real killer app. R&C is its first killer app but it has been overshadowed by Halo 3 and GH3. Hopefully with the price drop we will see more PS3s being sold because of R&C.

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"Hopefully with the price drop we will see more PS3s being sold because of R&C" I just wanted to know why do you even care if the PS3 sells consoles or not,i mean why worry about it?
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The PS3 does have 3 AAA's and many many more AA games. Just right now it lacks a real killer app. R&C is its first killer app but it has been overshadowed by Halo 3 and GH3. Hopefully with the price drop we will see more PS3s being sold because of R&C.Wasdie

whaaaaa?

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Topic:A misconseption about PS3 games... they're good.
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I respect your posts, wasdie. R&C a killer app though? Huh? It's a good game, but no killer app.BioShockOwnz

Yes it is. Just because it didn't get AAA here doesn't mean it isn't a great game. Look at TP and Metorid for the Wii.

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so is it just a chance happening that every PS3 game so far "lacks value"? I don't really understand how this happened. It's not like the PS brand was lacking great names by the end of 06. Suddenly we have short, shallow, pretty games that need more meat on their bones. Yet the 360 gets many valuable games. What circumstances determined this clear-cut distinction?
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"Hopefully with the price drop we will see more PS3s being sold because of R&C" I just wanted to know why do you even care if the PS3 sells consoles or not,i mean why worry about it?MrPostman4Chi

Because I want there to be some games for it other than the two or three I plan on buying a PS3 for. I want MGS 4, FF13, and Gran Trusimo 5. I want to beable to buy other good games and if it doesn't sell well developers will just abandon it leaving the market just for Nintendo and M$ to screw over.

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Wasdie, good post. PS3 games are no trash. That statement is simply an exaggeration of the relative difference between titles found on the 360 and the PS3. For me, I'm not a fan of the PS3 for quite a few reasons. Aside from me being upset with their recent buisness practices, I just feel that the PS3 does not justify itself as a gamingmachine yet, when you have the option of the 360 sitting aside it. That does not mean I won't be buying one in the future; I'm just not buying one anytime soon.

Great post though. One of the very few posts that have a premise, backed with reasoning. Quite rare on SW :P

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]I respect your posts, wasdie. R&C a killer app though? Huh? It's a good game, but no killer app.Wasdie

Yes it is. Just because it didn't get AAA here doesn't mean it isn't a great game. Look at TP and Metorid for the Wii.

RC is agreat game, but a killer app? Naaaaaah.
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Definitely not trash. One would expect better given all the next-gen hyped flared up by Sony pre-PS3 release talks.
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Good post.
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Definitely not trash. One would expect better given all the next-gen hyped flared up by Sony pre-PS3 release talks.Pro_wrestler

True. That I agree with. I just don't agree with the statement that PS3 games are trash.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]I respect your posts, wasdie. R&C a killer app though? Huh? It's a good game, but no killer app.Wasdie

Yes it is. Just because it didn't get AAA here doesn't mean it isn't a great game. Look at TP and Metorid for the Wii.

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#20 rimnet00
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Darn, glitchspot won't let me edit...

Aside from me being upset with their recent buisness practices, I just feel that the PS3 does not justify itself as a gamingmachine yet, when you have the option of the 360 sitting aside it.

should have said

Aside from me being upset with their recent buisness practices, I just feel that the PS3 does not justify itself as a better gamingmachine, when put in comparision with the 360.

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wall of text FTL
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wall of text FTL
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good post. ps3 games are in fact good, if the devs could focus on lasting appeal and gameplay, i'd take that over a pretty game any day of the week
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Darn, glitchspot won't let me edit...

Aside from me being upset with their recent buisness practices, I just feel that the PS3 does not justify itself as a gamingmachine yet, when you have the option of the 360 sitting aside it.

should have said

Aside from me being upset with their recent buisness practices, I just feel that the PS3 does not justify itself as a better gamingmachine, when put in comparision with the 360.

rimnet00

Yeah same here. I mean there are games I want but in comparison to the 360 there just is very few options avaiable for gaming.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]I respect your posts, wasdie. R&C a killer app though? Huh? It's a good game, but no killer app.Wasdie

Yes it is. Just because it didn't get AAA here doesn't mean it isn't a great game. Look at TP and Metorid for the Wii.

R&C has always been a good game (except Deadlocked), but never a killer app.

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wall of text FTLGuitartod

How about logic FTW? Read the damn post before you say things like that or don't post at all.

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so basically the ps3 is better than the 360 beacause of games like lair??
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Its only 3 PS3 games out that are ok,RFOM,Warhawk,and R&C.The rest are trash,and im not going by reviews,im going by what i know and what i thought about them when i played them.And they SUCK.
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Every one of those games appeal to me in some way.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]I respect your posts, wasdie. R&C a killer app though? Huh? It's a good game, but no killer app.BioShockOwnz

Yes it is. Just because it didn't get AAA here doesn't mean it isn't a great game. Look at TP and Metorid for the Wii.

R&C has always been a good game (except Deadlocked), but never a killer app.

I disagree. The first game in the series was amazing. It was probably the best platformer on the PS2.

Yeah I said it.

*puts up flame shield for all of the Jack and Daxter fans*

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And HS is ok but short as hell.
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so basically the ps3 is better than the 360 beacause of games like lair??scottiescott238

Read the post. I even say that the 360 has better games. Never once did I say the PS3 had better games than the 360. I just say they aren't trash.

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Its only 3 PS3 games out that are ok,RFOM,Warhawk,and R&C.The rest are trash,and im not going by reviews,im going by what i know and what i thought about them when i played them.And they SUCK.MrPostman4Chi

So games like Oblivion, NGS, and Rainbow Six 3 are trash? You can play them on your PS3 just as much as you can play them on the 360.

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[QUOTE="scottiescott238"]so basically the ps3 is better than the 360 beacause of games like lair??Wasdie

Read the post. I even say that the 360 has better games. Never once did I say the PS3 had better games than the 360. I just say they aren't trash.

their not trash....but they sure as hell aint golden either

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do you think thatAcheivements are part of the value of 360 games?

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[QUOTE="MrPostman4Chi"]Its only 3 PS3 games out that are ok,RFOM,Warhawk,and R&C.The rest are trash,and im not going by reviews,im going by what i know and what i thought about them when i played them.And they SUCK.Wasdie

So games like Oblivion, NGS, and Rainbow Six 3 are trash? You can play them on your PS3 just as much as you can play them on the 360.

No you see when people judge the PS3,they judge it on the exclusive games,i mean isnt that what everyone talks about when it comes t the PS3?So yea no one buys multiplats on the PS3 and we all know that.So yea PS3=exclusive games,and most of those games suck.
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The PS3 has many great games (my favorite being Virtua Fighter 5), but I just don't believe that it has the exclusives to justify any of its various price points.
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Good post
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do you think thatAcheivements are part of the value of 360 games?

Mordred19

Yes. To me acheivments don't matter but I know that they do to tons and tons of people. So that is why generally people prefer 360 multiplats over PS3 ones. Once Home comes out though that may change.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"]so basically the ps3 is better than the 360 beacause of games like lair??Guitartod

Read the post. I even say that the 360 has better games. Never once did I say the PS3 had better games than the 360. I just say they aren't trash.

their not trash....but they sure as hell aint golden either

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"]so basically the ps3 is better than the 360 beacause of games like lair??Guitartod

Read the post. I even say that the 360 has better games. Never once did I say the PS3 had better games than the 360. I just say they aren't trash.

their not trash....but they sure as hell aint golden either

don't get into that circular argument. it contributes nothing.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]I respect your posts, wasdie. R&C a killer app though? Huh? It's a good game, but no killer app.BioShockOwnz

Yes it is. Just because it didn't get AAA here doesn't mean it isn't a great game. Look at TP and Metorid for the Wii.

R&C has always been a good game (except Deadlocked), but never a killer app.

I thought Deadlocked wasvery goodmyself. I actually bought that as a gift for family members and decided to open it up and play it myself before giving it to them. I liked it a lot , then I actaully played though it again co-op withthem because I liked it so much and I rarely rplay games. I was bummed outabout this new one because it didn't have co-op and theywent with the lock-on system.

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#43 Ontain
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hehe from your examples i see that ps3 games are lacking in value/replayability , originality and/or content.

the games may be okay but you're not really convincing me.

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#44 Ontain
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]I respect your posts, wasdie. R&C a killer app though? Huh? It's a good game, but no killer app.Wasdie

Yes it is. Just because it didn't get AAA here doesn't mean it isn't a great game. Look at TP and Metorid for the Wii.

by the standard definition it is not a killer app unless it's going to be the software that gets ppl out to buy it and a ps3. I seriously doubt that will happen.

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#45 Mordred19
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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

do you think thatAcheivements are part of the value of 360 games?

Wasdie

Yes. To me acheivments don't matter but I know that they do to tons and tons of people. So that is why generally people prefer 360 multiplats over PS3 ones. Once Home comes out though that may change.

Trophies sound okay, but if there is no unified pool (Who am I kidding?I'msaying a Gamerscore. :P)for those accomplishments, and if they aren't comparable on the same scale as Acheivements(minimum of 5 points, with similar denominations awarded for comparable actions), they might not catch on. Gamers have gotten used to the Acheivements system for two years now.

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I agree with Wasdie 99%, though R&C isn't the PS3's FIRST Killer App. Resistance already took that title. But it seems that either way you look at it, Insomniac has most definitely helped the PS3 more than any other developer so far. I think the reason these games are mostly too short/lack content is both coinsidence, and timing. It seems these games were kinda rushed to make it in the ps3's "launch year" or whatever. Don't quote me, but I think if Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, and (possibly) Lair would have had an extra year of development, they could have had a LOT better gameplay. Heavenly Sword as is is an amazing game, it's just (as everyone says) too short, and lacks replayability. Had they have tossed in unlockable costumes, special areas, or even special events, it would have added a massive amount of gameplay to the game. But the game is very bare bones, and as such, it's kind of a let down.

But excuses aside, R&C is the PS3's first truely AAAE as far as I'm concerned. And as such, it seems to end the PS3's cycle of short/hollow games. Even though it has a few glitches, R&CF feels like the PS3's first "complete" game.
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#47 muff07
Member since 2007 • 945 Posts

admit it everyone realise how bad the reviews are on gamespot and we all only come on here for the forums

ign and 1up are the best sites for reviews and gameranking usually gives the benchmark for what games recieve AAA because anyone who doesnt give zelda, metroid and ratchet and clank a 9+ are just biased,blind,dumb,deaf,or no nothing about video games

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#48 Riverwolf007
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The problem is not that the PS3 has only a few good games the problem is when you compare the games that are out on the 360 the PS3 games look like a joke.

If there was no competition the PS3 wouldlook pretty goodbut the paltry amount of good PS3 games compared to the 360 lineup is a joke...seriously, a joke.

Every AAA GS rated PS3 game is a multiplat that came out months later, at this point it's just sad.

So you see while I agree there is a misconception about PS3 games, the misconception is not as bad as the reality.

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#50 mistervengeance
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thank you good sir.

you deserve a pat on the back from every fanboy in the house