A Patch Will Fix It, It's all OK

So I like saying that because Game critics are glorified dick riders, they have created false expectations and given the gaming community some shitty habits. One of those is the mentality that a patch will fix it, means criticism is invalid or "being harsh".

Bitch what?

Did you not work for your money? Did you not suffer your shitty boss? your time at work? dare I say for some of you that work in retail or something like a Restaurant, those shitty ass stupid customers so you can pay the bills, and then during your free time play a game you paid your heard earned money for?

I ask this, because it's usually followed by "I feel bad for x developer" WHAT? **** the developer. They can go book a room at Blow Me Hotel, found somewhere between Kiss My Ass Lane and Step on A Lego Boulevard. You should feel bad for you, you spent your hard earned money, or your parents heard earned money. You are spending your free time, and the devs put their name on a broken game.

Let's not even get into games that aren't broken, but got defended with "you just need to wait to see what the patches will add to the game", because you know releasing a fun game day one is unfucking heard of apparently. Or the go to defense for Destiny's pitiful display was "the DLC is really going to make or break this experience in the long haul"....so let me get this straight you are cool with paying 60 bucks for a game that isn't deep, isn't testing your skill from a reflex standpoint or tactical standpoint or anything, but instead tests to see if the person playing enjoys being a servant or if they are Autistic. But that's cool because one day the DLC might actually have interesting content in it.

You know because some reason it needs to be explained that "uh that game is completely different now that you can add content that you pay extra for on top of the 60 bucks you paid for the shitty parts of the game" is hilariously stupid.

And this isn't a this year thing, these type of excuses have been made for Bethesda, Obsidian, and quite a few others who released unfinished, buggy games, that mind you might actually have excellent gameplay (I quite enjoy New Vegas), but the bottom line is your hard earned money went to a poorly produced product. And some of you are not only cool with that, but you defend it, damage control it even, by saying a patch will fix it, thus any criticism of it is null and void?

Do you get paid to be a corporate slave? Do the publishers pay you top dollar? I'm curious when the **** did the alleged entitled gamers become so bitch and submissive? Because it is ridiculous that some of these games even release in the state that they do. Especially when this year you could have spent that money on not broken games.

Thoughts SW? I know my least trolly thread, but I'm on injured reserve right now.

Aye lmao.

Destiny forums from day 1 have been living on the philosophy that patches will fix everything.

Thank goodness gamespot gave MCC a 6.

I've been saying all along, the AAA industry on the Xbox One and PS4 basically charges us for the privilege of beta testing their products these days. **** that. Patches *can* be useful, but not when they are used in lieu of actually, you know, shipping a finished product.

It's one of the reasons why I've been saying, the grass is greener on the PC and Nintendo side.

yea before it didint feel as constant but now it seems some devs have the mind set of "pfft well fix it later"

Would argue there is a major difference between sluggish launch and minor glitches or framerate hick ups vs full on "I can not play this game and a bunch of your features straight up don't work".

u lack honour tc, so does gs. if a reviewer had honour they would wait till devs patched the game then review it.

As long as a game gets patched in a reasonable time I'm not overly bothered. Its when it drags on for weeks or months that it becomes a raging red flag for me. With the complexity of games today I can forgive some launch glitches.

I kind of saw where this was going from the title and I was not disappointed. Good one Champ, I totally agree.

Let me get this straight it unprofessional to review something the day they started charging money for it. But it is totally professional to charge money for an unfinished, broken product.

Just so we're clear here, that's what you just said.

I've noticed this too, but the only option that I see is to extend dev and Q&A time. There are some devs like Valve, Blizzard and Naughty Dogs that seem to get it right or at least release their games in a decent state.

I'm not sure what can be done since this games that are coming out sell so well and they show devs that they can recoup their investment both time and money earlier.

They only way this goes away is if people dont buy games at launch. I'm guilty at buying some games day 1, like Unity.

I pay to watch Washington on the Sunday ticket too :(

Tbh, both Sony and MS can go check their ass into some 'step on a Lego Boulevard' real estate for releasing these consoles before anything was realistically was ready, software or games.

Gud read champo. It's particularly bad this year; something to do with dev tools? Shitty suits/publishers pushing for the holiday season at the expense of functionality? Maybe some developers aren't good enough at their jobs?

It's one reason I never pre-order anymore.

Developers should at least be straight up with us. Forewarn people about MP issues at launch that it may not go smoothly. It may sound bad to hear it but i'd give some kudos to a developer if they'd just be more honest. MCC deserves its score. They could have had a beta and ironed this shit out but they didn't so **** em, 6 is fair.

This thread is a 10.

yes. 343 are a great studio who deserve benefit of the doubt. u sound like one of the haters who clearly forgot how great halo 4 was. h4 multi>>>>halo 2

I hope I see more threads like this from more SW denizens. I've seen thoughts like this OP around SW as of late, and it make me proud.

I've spoken about poor publishers, I've spoken about PR, I've spoken about Marketing, I've spoken about developers...it's never enough.

I've been railing against the corporate gaming machine here for the last few years, but it's finally now that I feel I don't have to speak up as much. The rapacious publishers finally went too far and people are finally noticing, at least around here. Now we just have to hope there is enough of us gamers that notice and can hurt the publishers bank accounts by not buying these games, or at least purchasing them day one. It's probably too late as the masses are usually ill informed and swayed by tons of $$$ Marketing, but I can hope. It would be nice to send the insatiable publishers a financial incentive to improve.

I still support the developers that haven't let me down yet. That's the key. The rest of them, they blew it and they need to re earn my trust if they want a day one purchase.

THANK YOU!

Yeah it's getting silly now, I didn't mind with something like GTA5's online because the singleplayer was massive and worked perfectly, so I played that for the couple of days it took them to fix, and even then online worked quite well for me from the get go.

But when you're using patches to fix a broken game you're doing it wrong, you release a game that you know to be complete and then a patch is for an unexpected problem that crops up when hundreds of thousands times more people than you have in your QA department get their hands on a game and find strange bugs you couldn't be expected to know about. But I flat out refuse to believe that nobody at Ubisoft knew about the bugs in AC Unity, they just HAD to.

Please think in the workers and their families.

They have spent a lot of their time making the game, bringing love and joy, leaving their beloved ones at home for countless of weekends to bring us the perfect games. Games that will be established in the history of mankind as real culprits of art work.

And what are we doing right now? Bitching in the internet for something that will be fixed in nano seconds by those giant software corporations.

It is a disservice to the corporations, workers and shareholders to slap a score reflecting something nontrivial and that will be fixed soon. You seriously lack the brains, and heart might I add, to be making this kind of topics.

Just remember it, and if you want a summary here it is:

• Disservice to 1000 or more workers.
• Dont bitch over something that will eventually be fixed.
• I am a manticore.

God have mercy on all of you.

Ah a good ol' consumer entitlement rant. I definitely hate buggy unfinished games but the whole "I WORK HARD FOR MY MONEY! I AM OUTRAGED!" is just hilarious. And a lot of games have been flopping lately so there's that. Games are hard a shit to make so a buggy game just annoys me but is not going to make me whine, and if a patch comes that fixes things then that's cool. And for the most part it's not the actual developers fault but the publishers or whoever puts the deadline on a game release. There are lot of things wrong with the industry the stupid entitled fans included so I'm not about to just burn game companies at the stake.

If devs had even a single speck of "honour" they would not release a game that needs fixing in first place and would not put review embargo on the day the bloody thing releases.

It's pretty simple. Just don't buy the games.

It's not ok for a game to be unfinished at launch but if you buy the game (and I am part of this problem too) you're signalling to devs and publishers that it is ok to release unfinished games and wait for patches.

All the bitching done on the forums means nothing when unfinished games are putting up massive sales numbers.

Im agree, its mind blowing how this companies have the balls to launch a game on that state knowing (because of course they know) all the flaws it has, there is no exuse for this lazy practice, not when some developers always deliver a fully funcional product. So yeah...**** them.

WOW !!!!! my man I concur completely, well said ! I hope those shit for brain developers read this.

Long gone are the good old days where all you had to do is put the disc in the console and the game ran perfectly.

This is masterful

Nanoseconds? Drive Club is still screwed, Halo is borked and don't get me started on Destiny. If your game isn't ready for prime time DON'T SHIP IT. It isn't fair to your customers and it's a slimy piece of business practice. It's bad enough that they want to nickle and dime you to death, the least they could do is ship a working product.

Because of idiots like ghostwarrior786.

The industry is full of this kind of useless fanboys and corporate slaves.

how can you include naughty dog in there?

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/The-Last-of-Us-Multiplayer/The-Last-of-Us-Remastered-PS4-Matchmaking-Issues/td-p/44171334

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-last-of-us-remastered-patch-addresses-long-mul/1100-6421638/

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/08/07/lg-g3-stylus-release-date-rumors-emerge/

http://gamingbolt.com/the-last-of-us-remastered-still-has-many-multiplayer-bugs-patches-incoming

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/14/serious-auto-save-problems-plague-the-last-of-us

http://kotaku.com/more-terrifying-than-clickers-last-of-us-glitches-632673754

http://www.chaoshour.com/post/the-last-of-us-ps3-pc-broken-disc-crashing-freezing-loading-screen-problem-bugs-and-glitches-fix-it

http://community.eu.playstation.com/t5/The-Last-of-Us/PROLOGUE-CAR-GLITCH-in-The-Last-Of-Us/td-p/19155344

and thats there last 2 games SP freezing, autosaves broken (like BF4) matchmaking broken (like halo MCC) game won't advance past prologue, etc

can even go to UC3

http://n4g.com/news/880980/game-breaking-uncharted-3-glitch-discovered

http://www.theparanoidgamer.com/game-breaking-uncharted-3-glitch-found/

so there last 3 games have all had gamebreaking bugs in SP and or matchmaking issues in MP on launch.

What the actual ****, you do realize PC games are the PRIME example of piss poor multiplats lately, I'm not gonna deny it happens on consoles cause it does. I do agree on the Nintendo part though, it seems they are actually the most competent people in the business when it comes down to performance in their games.

So far this year has made me NOT want to buy multiplats on PC with games like Watch Dogs, CoD, Unity and now DA3. You'd think the $950 I spent on a rig would at least get me some stable FPS but it hasn't when so many games are coming out with piss poor optimization which takes days, weeks or months of waiting for patches/drivers to roll out to fix the issues. I love gaming on PC (I usually do 80% of my gaming on PC) but when someone totally ignores or hasn't noticed the lack of optimization in PC games lately it just grinds my gears, all you have to do is look at the Steam forums where at least they don't have the same 10 hermits posting on their forums like they do here in SW who won't say anything negative about games on PC like they're apart of the "Hail Hydra PC cult" with giant D's in their hands just waiting for that money shot.

Wait what? Iv seen many topics of PC owners afraid of getting a piss poor port job. Its just really recently been happening to consoles but before that iv heard tons of PC gamers complaints.

You know whats great about alot of PC games though? Community fixes.

People love eating shit, so why should publishers change anything?

I'm a member on this community... I call bs when I see it. You know that by now. I'm usually right. I'm 100% right, right here.

How can you take the work of hundreds of people and shit on it over something that will be fixed?

The industry, alas developers, reviewers, gamers and communities could have given a placeholder opinion to those games... like most in most industries and their inherent problems... until the issues are fixed. But no, we are bitching over the content that they promised us, but couldn't sadly deliver... over something that will be eventually fixed.

There's nothing logical about that with the amount of, work, love and dedication is available in the game.

All those are pessimistic bs opinions, do nothing more than harm the industry .... and hold zero merit.

Especially after the content is fixed. Instead of going back later and amending our bitching if it wasn't fixed. We are basically saying that the developers (and corporations and shareholders, they have families after all you know) cant fix it in an foreseeable future. (Ok, this time I'll refer to seconds instead of nanoseconds)

There is nothing honest about what Champ is bitching around. Nothing.

Took vampire bloodlines about 2 years and gothic 3 about the same.

@finalfantasy94: @Ballroompirate: You know what PC games I am talking about? Not multiplats.

TC, you actually stole my idea for this thread. Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree.

champ's right.

i care about the merits of the game, not the efforts of the developers.

when i pay for a something, it needs to do what its said to do. if i pay for it on a monday, it needs to be doing them things on the monday.

if i took money from someone, and delivered something that didn't work - they'd have legit grounds for a complaint. if i gave them the excuse that it will eventually be fixed, well, what about their cashflow i've stuffed up by taking their money? surely i should've got the thing working properly first, and then sold it on. don't take money if your good/service doesn't work.

some people delay games, others release games that don't work, right in the middle - there's driveclub.

Well yeah.

PC gamers just don't want the game to be the same as the console game. It's not about the game being physically unplayable on PC.

I agree with Champ. Games do cost a lot to make and a lot of people to make them. However, NO game should EVER get out the door without being tested throughly for game breaking bugs. No if ands or buts. Is it really that hard to hire 1 or 2 testers to check or hold an open beta? So no I do not feel sorry for the 1000 or so plus ppl that released an unfinished product. I would lose my job it I did that. They should be no different. If the product ships and says that it has certain functions on day 1, they better damn well be in there and working! Otherwise the crappy scores are justified patch or not. End of discussion.

If they keep it up, it will be like the 80's again. A big reason why I support indie games is that they actually want to make something enjoyable and a quality gameplay experience even if they don't have the budget to make a game as big as Skyrim.

One day, the megapublishers and unduly worshipped developers will just squirt out enough shit to lose the fanbases they worked so hard for. A new generation of developers will take their places.

At times like these with unfinished games being released and have to wait for patches, I feel like the old Nintendo ways were a lot better for the Industry than today's model. Because Nintendo would tell them that they will not let an unfinished game go release on their console without a quality check and be sure that the game is playable for the consumers.