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#1 diggyzoom
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Is it possible for a system that DOESN'T finish first in sales to have the most GAMESPOT quality scoring games (8 and above) than the highest selling system ?

Hypothetically , lets say that the Wii wins in sales and doubles the next best selling system. Could the 360 or ps3 actually have more quality games (scoring) overall than the Wii ?

I would like to hear what you think on the matter.

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#2 Ibacai
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It's possible but it hasn't happened in the past gens so I would say it's doubtful. But then again this gen seems to be something of an oddity, so anything goes.
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#3 strudel420
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The 360 and PS3 are both going to have more AAA games then the Wii when its all said and done. Fact.
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#4 blizzvalve
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The Gamecube and the Xbox had the best quality games imo than the PS2. PS2 won.
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#5 dracula_16  Online
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Yes. Games that are convincing people to buy a certain console isn't automatically good. What I'm trying to say is that just because something doesn't well....that doesn't make it bad. The Wii is destroying the other consoles in sales but it only has 1 AAA game which proves my point.
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#6 yoshi_64
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Possible, but pretty hard. How so? Devs flock to the sales, and the lesser the sales, the less support the system garners....
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#7 -The-G-Man-
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I'm going to have to say "no."  Developers go where the sales are, so the top-selling system will probably have the most high quality games.  Look at the PlayStation 2 for instance.  It had the most high quality games because it sold the most.

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#8 diggyzoom
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Developers will flock to the money sure .... but how does that really equate to quality scoring games ? Maybe they will produce what is selling over and over rather than really making something unique that will score well.

I am just suggesting the possibilty that it is not a sure thing as people think.

 

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#9 Igwababa
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Possible, but pretty hard. How so? Devs flock to the sales, and the lesser the sales, the less support the system garners.... yoshi_64

 

well look at the 360 it is being beat by the wii in sales but many developers see the 5+ attach rate and still develop for the 360 because even though less people have 360s, poeple with 360s buy the most games. i think that most likely the wii will have the least amount of AAA on the system because of its mainstream appeal however that wont stop sales of hardware.

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#10 Hoffgod
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Technically, it's possible, but it's never happened before and I just don't realistically see it happening. If one console is dominating I'd imagine that 3rd parties would focus on that console.
Especially if it's the Wii dominating, which has significantly lower development costs than the 360 or PS3.
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#11 Acemaster27
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Three words: Gamecube, and Metriod Prime.

Anyone who doesn't think that highly of MP is a total nub nub nub.

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#12 Hoffgod
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Maybe they will produce what is selling over and over rather than really making something unique that will score well.diggyzoom
And that would be any different from the status quo... how?
Look at how many lame sandbox and gangster themed games came out after the success of GTA. Or how many lame FPS came out on the Xbox.

Any system with significant third party support will a lot of lousy "me-too" games. It's inevitable. Not many companies go for unique or original because unique and original is risky and expensive. That's inevitable, and will impact the 360 and PS3 as much as the Wii.

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#13 Ibacai
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Three words: Gamecube, and Metriod Prime.

Anyone who doesn't think that highly of MP is a total nub nub nub.

Acemaster27
It was more a question of high quality in quantity. Not just high quality alone. And that's four words.
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#14 TrueReligion_
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Yes, it's definitely possible.
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#15 yoshi_64
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[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]Possible, but pretty hard. How so? Devs flock to the sales, and the lesser the sales, the less support the system garners.... Igwababa

 

well look at the 360 it is being beat by the wii in sales but many developers see the 5+ attach rate and still develop for the 360 because even though less people have 360s, poeple with 360s buy the most games. i think that most likely the wii will have the least amount of AAA on the system because of its mainstream appeal however that wont stop sales of hardware.

No, the 360 is still the current lead in the market, the Wii is just catching up to the 360. Although, due to the Wii's humongous sales and sale rate speeds going faster than the 360, the Wii has gained numerous support ANNOUNCED. Now, will those games be great? Who knows, but we do know the odds of it getting many great games has surely increased, thanks to it's large sales rate and big publishers announcing titles for it. Ubisoft, EA, Konami, Capcom, and so on.

I think the Wii honestly has the same chances as the other systems to garner lots of AAA and "AA" titles too. The 360 had a year head start, which lead it to large sales, and large developers going onboard with the larger userbase compared to the PS3.

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#16 frodnekcod
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The 360 and PS3 are both going to have more AAA games then the Wii when its all said and done. Fact.strudel420

edit out "fact" and you wont sound like an idiot

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#17 SmashBrosLegend
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Disregarding scores, I think it's entirely possible for a lesser-selling system to have a better overall quality. I owned and loved all four consoles last generation, and I happened to enjoy Gamecube, Dreamcast, and Xbox moreso than PS2. PS2 had more qualityt titles, but I'd say that the other systems had better overall quality.  
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#18 nyoroism
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[QUOTE="strudel420"]The 360 and PS3 are both going to have more AAA games then the Wii when its all said and done. Fact.frodnekcod

edit out "fact" and you wont sound like an idiot

It seems logical. Doesn't make him an idiot.
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#19 foxhound_fox
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When you consider numbers, yes, of course it is possible. The PS2 had many great titles but it also had the most amount of crap. Looking back I believe the Gamecube had the most, best titles last gen... but that is completely subjective.

It is all speculation at this point... but all three systems this gen are going to have many amazing games. Those who would deny playing them are the true losers.
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#20 MegaPigeon
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The N64 had some of the greatest and most influencial games of all time, so yes. But much of the time a lack of good games is what causes a console to flop in sales.
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#21 drnick7
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It's certainly possible, but the system that sells the most tends to get the most dev support, and thus, more quality games.
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#22 jessesalinas
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Yes!

 

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#23 HungryLikeAMug
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Absolutely...i had WAY more fun with my xbox over my ps2...and my n64 over my ps1 for that matter...
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#24 frodnekcod
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[QUOTE="frodnekcod"]

[QUOTE="strudel420"]The 360 and PS3 are both going to have more AAA games then the Wii when its all said and done. Fact.nyoroism

edit out "fact" and you wont sound like an idiot

It seems logical. Doesn't make him an idiot.

not saying hes an idiot, saying he "sounds" like one :D

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#25 diggyzoom
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I'm going to have to say "no." Developers go where the sales are, so the top-selling system will probably have the most high quality games. Look at the PlayStation 2 for instance. It had the most high quality games because it sold the most.

-The-G-Man-

You should have said "yes" because you said "probably" . The ps2 could have still won in sales through marketing, hype,brandname, and low scoring games that moved units. Sure , every system needs quality games but it doesn't need the most neccessarily. The ps2 just happened to bring the quality and never stopped for 6 straight years. 

 

 

 

 

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#26 martin_f
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Yes it happened last gen and it will happen this gen I can't believe people think about the consoles now and not about the games, Im all for arguing about exclusive games and which multiplatform looks better on what console, but now its all about sales and non gaming related things such as dvds and their players.
(Btw Last gen IMO Xbox had the best quality games and Gamecube was second however the Playstation 2 now, didn't even have a decent FPS or a strategy game either.
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#27 TacoJelly
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It's possible yes.  But I honestly feel that by the Holiday of 08' the Wii will be home to the best quality software, regardless of it's sales.
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#28 diggyzoom
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It's possible yes. But I honestly feel that by the Holiday of 08' the Wii will be home to the best quality software, regardless of it's sales.TacoJelly
Are you basing that on Gamspot's scores like most of us , or just your personal opinions ?

 

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#29 TacoJelly
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[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

I'm going to have to say "no." Developers go where the sales are, so the top-selling system will probably have the most high quality games. Look at the PlayStation 2 for instance. It had the most high quality games because it sold the most.

diggyzoom

You should have said "yes" because you said "probably" . The ps2 could have still won in sales through marketing, hype,brandname, and low scoring games that moved units. Sure , every system needs quality games but it doesn't need the most neccessarily. The ps2 just happened to bring the quality and never stopped for 6 straight years. 

 

The ps2 only had the most quality games on it, because it had the most games on it.  It's library dwarfs the GC's and Xbox's.  If you look at the average, I bet the ps2 had the lowest scoring games of the 3 systems. 

 

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#30 osan0
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its a very tricky question too answer to be honest since the quality of a title is opinion at the end of the day. for some, okami on the PS2 might be worth more to them than every other titles on any other console. many argue that the GC and Xbox had the superior library in terms of quality due to titles like KOTR and metroid prime.
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#31 The_Game21x
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Possibly. In the Wii's case, a lot of its success is hinged on the motion sensing gimmick (not to mention its low price). Nintendo has wisely marketed the hell out of it and the consumers are responding by making the Wii the best selling console right now in terms of month to month sales. But the problem with that is, as of right now, the Wii's library isn't exactly jam packed with high quality games. Sure, there are your standouts like your Legend of Zeldas and your Super Paper Marios, but aside from these and maybe a couple third party games, the Wii's library isn't all that great, especially not when compared to the 360's or hell, even the PS3's. I'm not saying that things will remain this way and that the Wii will remain jam packed with gimmicky, rushed to market games that provide your standard motion sensing fare and fail to push the envelope but if its current sales are any indication then it might be able to coast on that for quite a while.
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#32 outcasthero
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The 360 and PS3 are both going to have more AAA games then the Wii when its all said and done. Fact.strudel420

Agreed

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#33 TacoJelly
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[QUOTE="TacoJelly"]It's possible yes. But I honestly feel that by the Holiday of 08' the Wii will be home to the best quality software, regardless of it's sales.diggyzoom

Are you basing that on Gamspot's scores like most of us , or just your personal opinions ?

 

I'm basing it on the average of all credible game critics (gamespot included).  I just think if we give developers enough time to work and experiment, the Wii's controller will bring more fresh, exciting, thought provoking gameplay than any CPU/GPU upgrade ever could. That and the fact that now developers are seeing how well the Wii is selling, so they'll be more inclined to invest in those games than the 20 million budgets required for crossplatform PS3/360 games (assuming nobody would ever want to develop exclusively on one for such a huge budget (especially PS3).

I'm not knocking the other 2, I'm just saying that I see more leaps in gaming coming from the Wii than either the PS3 or 360. 

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#34 BlueBarad
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Yes. This will probably happen. The Wii is going for a different audience than the 16-34 year old male. It is apealing to a different crowd, a much broader crowd.

I think eventually developers will flock to the Wii mostly because it is a lot less costly to make a Wii game than a true next gen game. So they will eventually have a handfull of AAA titles.

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#35 Kahuna_1
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The Gamecube and the Xbox had the best quality games imo than the PS2. PS2 won.blizzvalve

Sure they did...:roll:.

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#37 Saturos3091
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I thought of the N64 vs. PS1 instantly.  The N64 had much better games, but the PS1 won in sales.

So yes, I think it is possible.
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#38 Blitz_Nemesis
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It is possible. If the system is expensive then it will have less sales then the competition but that doesnt mean all its games are gonna suck *cough "ps3"*. BUT chances are if the system is selling badly then these good quality games will most likely move to a cheap, better selling console.
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#39 nintendo-4life
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it's very possible, IMO, GC did that last gen, not the quanitity, but the quality, it's games were so unique that playing it and then going back to playing the PS2 just felt different, that's not to say the other systems didn't have unique games, SOTC and okami are great games, but when it came down to it, the best of the best were GC games, or at least that's how i feel.


sales really don't do you any good, yes they bring more support but support doesn't make a game suddenly better, quality and quantity are vastly different, they are related, but in a very small way.
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#40 tman69
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I totally agree with The_game21x because the motion  control is a gimmick that will die away soon and the library for the wii isn't looking like its ganna hold up because right now it looks good because of all the nintendo games alot of the AAA games will most likely be coming from nintendo But who knows maybe the wii will come up with some great games and win this war......

As for the system with the better quality games being outsold i dont think thats too likely but it seems that way becase the higher selling  games have the good games and tons of really bad games because well... think of it this way if you are making bad gameshow games you want them to sell, which system will you go for the highest selling one right. Thats why i think its bot very likely for that too happen it just seems like it.

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#41 shungokustasu
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It depends on how less do you mean?
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#42 the-very-best
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Yes, it's possible, but the more likely scenario is that the console with the best games is also the console that sells the most.

So far Wii is selling the most without any major games but that could change if it gets more dev support and it could end up having the most high quality titles.

But if I had to guess I'd say PS3 will have the most, just like PS2 and PS1. 

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#43 StealthSting
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The most quality games of the gen? It's... possible. Tho I highly doubt that would happen.

The best quality games of the gen? Now that would certainly be possible. Whether in a subjective status, or a critically acclaimed one.

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#44 haziqonfire
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Well gamecube had a lot of quality titles, it just didnt have the quantity/sales.. so yes.
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#45 Tiefster
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Yes.  The higher in sales a console gets the more crap games it gets in between good games.
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#46 donalbane
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Is it possible for a system that DOESN'T finish first in sales to have the most GAMESPOT quality scoring games (8 and above) than the highest selling system ?

Hypothetically , lets say that the Wii wins in sales and doubles the next best selling system. Could the 360 or ps3 actually have more quality games (scoring) overall than the Wii ?

I would like to hear what you think on the matter.

diggyzoom
The average consumer wouldn't know a poorly rated game from a tampon, so the bar for quality is lower with the Wii.
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#47 -The-G-Man-
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[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

I'm going to have to say "no." Developers go where the sales are, so the top-selling system will probably have the most high quality games. Look at the PlayStation 2 for instance. It had the most high quality games because it sold the most.

diggyzoom

You should have said "yes" because you said "probably" . The ps2 could have still won in sales through marketing, hype,brandname, and low scoring games that moved units. Sure , every system needs quality games but it doesn't need the most neccessarily. The ps2 just happened to bring the quality and never stopped for 6 straight years. 

 

 

 

 

I should have said yes.  I read it incorrectly.

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#48 waynehead895
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Quality is subjective. So yes.
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#49 Impex
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Since you used the word possible, I voted yes. If the popularity/demand was so great for one system, and it was still able to put out quite a few good titles, it could win.
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#50 aliasfreak
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Yes.  These reviews are nothing but opinions.  Besides, public opinion and crazes seem to influence people more than logic.  Why else would people go crazy over little toys like Tickle Me Elmo, or Beanie Babies? 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the Wii will only win because people are stupid.  I'm sure it is fun.  Heck, I'll be getting one.  What I am saying is that the masses do not always act as they theoretically should.