AAA for the Wii....Kind of...

Wow... that's a shocker. I would buy SMB3 on the VC if I didn't already have it for the NES and on Super Mario All-Stars...

LINK TO REVIEW: http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/supermariobros3/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary;review

OLD. Youre about 17 years too late. :PCarmilla31

I just saw it now and thought it was new, my bad.

In no way is it a AAA for the Wii.

Its a AAA for the NES.

If we were to count ROMS do you know the INSANE amount of AAA's the PC would have over the amount it already has?

KingOfKonging

ROMs = Illegal

Virtual Console = Legal

See a difference?

[QUOTE="slothboyadvance"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

In no way is it a AAA for the Wii.

Its a AAA for the NES.

If we were to count ROMS do you know the INSANE amount of AAA's the PC would have over the amount it already has?

KingOfKonging

ROMs = Illegal

Virtual Console = Legal

See a difference?

Hahaha. You do realize the things you're downloading on the VC ARE ROMS, right?

What you're paying for is the EXACT same ROM you'd download from anywhere on the internet. The difference in Nintendo has written an Emulator to play these ROMS on the Wii.

And there are plenty of overpriced LEGAL ROM middleman serivces on the PC, like Gametap. PC users are too smart to use them.

no difference is it isn't against the law.

[QUOTE="slothboyadvance"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

In no way is it a AAA for the Wii.

Its a AAA for the NES.

If we were to count ROMS do you know the INSANE amount of AAA's the PC would have over the amount it already has?

KingOfKonging

ROMs = Illegal

Virtual Console = Legal

See a difference?

Hahaha. You do realize the things you're downloading on the VC ARE ROMS, right?

What you're paying for is the EXACT same ROM you'd download from anywhere on the internet. The difference in Nintendo has written an Emulator to play these ROMS on the Wii.

And there are plenty of overpriced LEGAL ROM middleman serivces on the PC, like Gametap. PC users are too smart to use them.

Too smart? I think everyone realizes they could download roms for free, but I'd rather buy the game legally rather then sit at my computer.

OLD. Youre about 17 years too late. :PCarmilla31

I don't think Gamespot was around 17 years ago. :P

[QUOTE="slothboyadvance"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

In no way is it a AAA for the Wii.

Its a AAA for the NES.

If we were to count ROMS do you know the INSANE amount of AAA's the PC would have over the amount it already has?

KingOfKonging

ROMs = Illegal

Virtual Console = Legal

See a difference?

Hahaha. You do realize the things you're downloading on the VC ARE ROMS, right?

What you're paying for is the EXACT same ROM you'd download from anywhere on the internet. The difference in Nintendo has written an Emulator to play these ROMS on the Wii.

And there are plenty of overpriced LEGAL ROM middleman serivces on the PC, like Gametap. PC users are too smart to use them.

Er, I hate to tell you, but by technicality ROMS and Emulators you can get for the PC are legal, as long as you own the system and the game(s) that you are playing.

And yes, The Wii VC is just an emulator built by nintendo, and what you're downloading are just roms.

[QUOTE="slothboyadvance"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

In no way is it a AAA for the Wii.

Its a AAA for the NES.

If we were to count ROMS do you know the INSANE amount of AAA's the PC would have over the amount it already has?

KingOfKonging

ROMs = Illegal

Virtual Console = Legal

See a difference?

Hahaha. You do realize the things you're downloading on the VC ARE ROMS, right?

What you're paying for is the EXACT same ROM you'd download from anywhere on the internet. The difference in Nintendo has written an Emulator to play these ROMS on the Wii.

And there are plenty of overpriced LEGALROM middleman serivces on the PC, like Gametap. OC users are too dumb to use them.

It doesn't matter if they are the same. The fact is one is illegal and one is not. I'm not saying SMB3 should be counted as a AAA for the Wii, but comparing the validity of Virtual Console games to ROMs is just stupid.

ROMs are illegal and can in no way be considered AAA for the PC because they're not suppose to be there. SMB3 may not be considered a AAA for theWii, but at least it's legitimate ROMs aren't counted as sales and the devs see no moneyso why should they be counted a legit games for the PC?They shouldn't.

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="slothboyadvance"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

In no way is it a AAA for the Wii.

Its a AAA for the NES.

If we were to count ROMS do you know the INSANE amount of AAA's the PC would have over the amount it already has?

Marth6781

ROMs = Illegal

Virtual Console = Legal

See a difference?

Hahaha. You do realize the things you're downloading on the VC ARE ROMS, right?

What you're paying for is the EXACT same ROM you'd download from anywhere on the internet. The difference in Nintendo has written an Emulator to play these ROMS on the Wii.

And there are plenty of overpriced LEGAL ROM middleman serivces on the PC, like Gametap. PC users are too smart to use them.

no difference is it isn't against the law.

Neither is GameTap, and it does the exact same thing.

And it's just as stupid as the VC,

And there's a reason all the Roms on GameTap aren't counted twoards the PC count.

Because they're ROMS. They're not PC games.

SMB3 is not a Wii game. It isn't a Wii AAA.

It's an NES game.

And Nintendo is selling the ROM through it's weak online service for anyone dumb enough to pay that much for a SMB3 ROM.

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="slothboyadvance"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

In no way is it a AAA for the Wii.

Its a AAA for the NES.

If we were to count ROMS do you know the INSANE amount of AAA's the PC would have over the amount it already has?

Khanezhyray

ROMs = Illegal

Virtual Console = Legal

See a difference?

Hahaha. You do realize the things you're downloading on the VC ARE ROMS, right?

What you're paying for is the EXACT same ROM you'd download from anywhere on the internet. The difference in Nintendo has written an Emulator to play these ROMS on the Wii.

And there are plenty of overpriced LEGAL ROM middleman serivces on the PC, like Gametap. PC users are too smart to use them.

Er, I hate to tell you, but by technicality ROMS and Emulators you can get for the PC are legal, as long as you own the system and the game(s) that you are playing.

And yes, The Wii VC is just an emulator built by nintendo, and what you're downloading are just roms.

Actually that's just a myth... You can have backups of CD's... but roms are diffrent'... they aren a type of media that you can back up on your own...

You have to back it up yourself for it to be legal... if you download it it's not legal. Period.

OMs are illegal and can in no way be considered AAA for the PC because they're not suppose to be there. SMB3 may not be considered a AAA for theWii, but at least it's legitimate ROMs aren't counted as sales and the devs see no moneyso why should they be counted a legit games for the PC?They shouldn't.slothboyadvance

You don't get it.

You claim ROMS are illegal. Do you realize the games on the VC ARE ROMS??? Nintendo sells ROMS through its VC service. It's not illegal for Nintendo to do so because they own the rights to the games.ROMS aren't illegal because they're ROMS, the ROMS you DL for free through the internet are illegal because the party you're DL'ing themfrom doesn't own the rights to them.

And like I said, there are services for the PC that offer the legal download of ROMS. Like Gametap.
And like I said, PC users are too smart to waste their money on such an idiotic service.

[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="slothboyadvance"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

In no way is it a AAA for the Wii.

Its a AAA for the NES.

If we were to count ROMS do you know the INSANE amount of AAA's the PC would have over the amount it already has?

KingOfKonging

ROMs = Illegal

Virtual Console = Legal

See a difference?

Hahaha. You do realize the things you're downloading on the VC ARE ROMS, right?

What you're paying for is the EXACT same ROM you'd download from anywhere on the internet. The difference in Nintendo has written an Emulator to play these ROMS on the Wii.

And there are plenty of overpriced LEGAL ROM middleman serivces on the PC, like Gametap. PC users are too smart to use them.

no difference is it isn't against the law.

Neither is GameTap, and it does the exact same thing.

And it's just as stupid as the VC,

And there's a reason all the Roms on GameTap aren't counted twoards the PC count.

Because they're ROMS. They're not PC games.

SMB3 is not a Wii game. It isn't a Wii AAA.

It's an NES game.

And Nintendo is selling the ROM through it's weak online service for anyone dumb enough to pay that much for a SMB3 ROM.

Okay then, ROMs don't count towards anyone then. I'll give you that.

But the VC is not "stupid" at all. I could not find a Pawn Shop with Super Metroid, but I did find one at a local game store. Here's the kicker, it was $25. Then it came out for the VC for $8, which was a steal. I think services like that are a god send because you are getting something that can not physically break! It's data.

VC games dont count, so dont use them as AAA. According to who? ME, and that's the final wordPhoebusFlows

not very convincing. :roll:

VC games dont count, so dont use them as AAA. According to who? ME, and that's the final wordPhoebusFlows

You can play it on Wii, it counts.

[QUOTE="slothboyadvance"]OMs are illegal and can in no way be considered AAA for the PC because they're not suppose to be there. SMB3 may not be considered a AAA for theWii, but at least it's legitimate ROMs aren't counted as sales and the devs see no moneyso why should they be counted a legit games for the PC?They shouldn't.KingOfKonging

You don't get it.

You claim ROMS are illegal. Do you realize the games on the VC ARE ROMS??? Nintendo sells ROMS through its VC service. It's not illegal for Nintendo to do so because they own the rights to the games.ROMS aren't illegal because they're ROMS, the ROMS you DL for free through the internet are illegal because the party you're DL'ing themfrom doesn't own the rights to them.

And like I said, there are services for the PC that offer the legal download of ROMS. Like Gametap.
And like I said, PC users are too smart to waste their money on such an idiotic service.

The ROM's on VC are not illegal because you have to pay to play. The ones on PC that I could download off and use on an emulator without paying a penny are illegal. I never meant to imply all ROMs were illegal, I simply meant the ones I can download without paying are illegal. I don't think we're really arguing over anything.

VC AAAGames =/= Wii AAA's

ROMS on PC (illegal or not) =/= PC AAA's

There.

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]VC games dont count, so dont use them as AAA. According to who? ME, and that's the final wordweb966

You can play it on Wii, it counts.

Then no one will ever be able to beat the PS3, because I have a PS3 that plays ALL of the PS2's library.

You can play them on the PS3, it counts right?

And all the ROMs from places like GameTap count for the PC, right?

all games are roms, because you can't change the information it contains.

but a great score for a 17 year old game!!

[QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]VC games dont count, so dont use them as AAA. According to who? ME, and that's the final wordKingOfKonging

You can play it on Wii, it counts.

Then no one will ever be able to beat the PS3, because I have a PS3 that plays ALL of the PS2's library.

exactly, and that is where the thread ends. I'm tired of them using VC games as modern-day scores. PS3 would mop the floor of both the Wii and Xbox 360 library combined.

[QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]VC games dont count, so dont use them as AAA. According to who? ME, and that's the final wordKingOfKonging

You can play it on Wii, it counts.

Then no one will ever be able to beat the PS3, because I have a PS3 that plays ALL of the PS2's library.

You can play them on the PS3, it counts right?

And all the ROMs from places like GameTap count for the PC, right?

So? Wii can play GC, N64, SNES, NES, Genesis, TG-16, and NEO GEO games. Wii wins.

VC games dont count, so dont use them as AAA. According to who? ME, and that's the final wordPhoebusFlows

You?:roll: I guess you must be the king of SW.:roll:

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]VC games dont count, so dont use them as AAA. According to who? ME, and that's the final wordPhoebusFlows

You can play it on Wii, it counts.

Then no one will ever be able to beat the PS3, because I have a PS3 that plays ALL of the PS2's library.

exactly, and that is where the thread ends. I'm tired of them using VC games as modern-day scores. PS3 would mop the floor of both the Wii and Xbox 360 library combined.

ps2 games are rereviewed by today standars? i don't think so..

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]VC games dont count, so dont use them as AAA. According to who? ME, and that's the final wordPhoebusFlows

You can play it on Wii, it counts.

Then no one will ever be able to beat the PS3, because I have a PS3 that plays ALL of the PS2's library.

exactly, and that is where the thread ends. I'm tired of them using VC games as modern-day scores. PS3 would mop the floor of both the Wii and Xbox 360 library combined.

The PS2 and PS1 library is no match for 20 years of classic games that the Wii provides.

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]VC games dont count, so dont use them as AAA. According to who? ME, and that's the final wordPhoebusFlows

You can play it on Wii, it counts.

Then no one will ever be able to beat the PS3, because I have a PS3 that plays ALL of the PS2's library.

exactly, and that is where the thread ends. I'm tired of them using VC games as modern-day scores. PS3 would mop the floor of both the Wii and Xbox 360 library combined.

Are you kidding? The whole playstation family have no match to the whole nintendo family(NES, SNES, N64, GC) and from other platforms such as Turbografx 16, etc.

I'd have to agree that the Wii's playable titles blow the pants off of anything else ever. You can legally play the top tree games of all time.

The fact that the VC games are reviewed by todays standards does add a lot of push to the fact thaht they count as Wii reviews. PSone and PS2 titles aren't completely compatible and the xbox's downloadable classics are pricey, are downgraded from the originals, and are only a few years old.

PC roms are usually downloaded illegally, those that aren't aren't reviewed and you can't buy them and own the rights.

The VC has a better grip on being counted than the rest. They also actually drag down the overall review average by .2%.

Regardless of all of this. SMB3 is a great game to this day and can only be played on Nintendo's products.

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="slothboyadvance"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

In no way is it a AAA for the Wii.

Its a AAA for the NES.

If we were to count ROMS do you know the INSANE amount of AAA's the PC would have over the amount it already has?

slothboyadvance

ROMs = Illegal

Virtual Console = Legal

See a difference?

Hahaha. You do realize the things you're downloading on the VC ARE ROMS, right?

What you're paying for is the EXACT same ROM you'd download from anywhere on the internet. The difference in Nintendo has written an Emulator to play these ROMS on the Wii.

And there are plenty of overpriced LEGALROM middleman serivces on the PC, like Gametap. OC users are too dumb to use them.

It doesn't matter if they are the same. The fact is one is illegal and one is not. I'm not saying SMB3 should be counted as a AAA for the Wii, but comparing the validity of Virtual Console games to ROMs is just stupid.

ROMs are illegal and can in no way be considered AAA for the PC because they're not suppose to be there. SMB3 may not be considered a AAA for theWii, but at least it's legitimate ROMs aren't counted as sales and the devs see no moneyso why should they be counted a legit games for the PC?They shouldn't.

Legal or not it is still the same old good/bad game no matter how you got it and what system you play it on.

If Puzzle Quest counts as AAA then so should SMB, but honestly neither of them should.

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="slothboyadvance"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

In no way is it a AAA for the Wii.

Its a AAA for the NES.

If we were to count ROMS do you know the INSANE amount of AAA's the PC would have over the amount it already has?

Fick1122

ROMs = Illegal

Virtual Console = Legal

See a difference?

Hahaha. You do realize the things you're downloading on the VC ARE ROMS, right?

What you're paying for is the EXACT same ROM you'd download from anywhere on the internet. The difference in Nintendo has written an Emulator to play these ROMS on the Wii.

And there are plenty of overpriced LEGAL ROM middleman serivces on the PC, like Gametap. PC users are too smart to use them.

Too smart? I think everyone realizes they could download roms for free, but I'd rather buy the game legally rather then sit at my computer.

Love that moral high horse your riding.

I hope you don't illegaly download MP3's either.

If Puzzle Quest counts as AAA then so should SMB, but honestly neither of them should.

OhhSnap50893

Puzzle quest is a brand new multiplat that came out THIS YEAR.

SMB3 is old, old, old.

Downloadable titles only count if their brand new games.

so does tekken 2 on ps3's psone classics count as an AAA then?Arjdagr8

Nope.

But a game like Stardust HD which is only available for PSN does count. If it had scored AAA.

Brand new titles only. Not a hard concept to grasp.

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]VC games dont count, so dont use them as AAA. According to who? ME, and that's the final wordPhoebusFlows

You can play it on Wii, it counts.

Then no one will ever be able to beat the PS3, because I have a PS3 that plays ALL of the PS2's library.

exactly, and that is where the thread ends. I'm tired of them using VC games as modern-day scores. PS3 would mop the floor of both the Wii and Xbox 360 library combined.

Its sad that the Wii's highest scoring games are mostly on the VC. That top list is riddled with them. It really shouldn't count.

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]VC games dont count, so dont use them as AAA. According to who? ME, and that's the final wordBread_or_Decide

You can play it on Wii, it counts.

Then no one will ever be able to beat the PS3, because I have a PS3 that plays ALL of the PS2's library.

exactly, and that is where the thread ends. I'm tired of them using VC games as modern-day scores. PS3 would mop the floor of both the Wii and Xbox 360 library combined.

Its sad that the Wii's highest scoring games are mostly on the VC. That top list is riddled with them. It really shouldn't count.

Again...the including the VC lowers the average review by .2%! Sure you occasionally get a gem like OoT or SMB3, but the majority haven't aged nearly as well and Nintendo isn't releasing the cream of the crop all at once.

Regardless of all of this, the VC releases are re-reviewed by todays standards. No other retro downloading service is being re-reviewed. The scores are being posted under "All Wii Games". If we're going by gamespot's reviews, the Wii has a pretty decent claim to the VC titles being counted.

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="slothboyadvance"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

In no way is it a AAA for the Wii.

Its a AAA for the NES.

If we were to count ROMS do you know the INSANE amount of AAA's the PC would have over the amount it already has?

slothboyadvance

ROMs = Illegal

Virtual Console = Legal

See a difference?

Hahaha. You do realize the things you're downloading on the VC ARE ROMS, right?

What you're paying for is the EXACT same ROM you'd download from anywhere on the internet. The difference in Nintendo has written an Emulator to play these ROMS on the Wii.

And there are plenty of overpriced LEGALROM middleman serivces on the PC, like Gametap. OC users are too dumb to use them.

It doesn't matter if they are the same. The fact is one is illegal and one is not. I'm not saying SMB3 should be counted as a AAA for the Wii, but comparing the validity of Virtual Console games to ROMs is just stupid.

ROMs are illegal and can in no way be considered AAA for the PC because they're not suppose to be there. SMB3 may not be considered a AAA for theWii, but at least it's legitimate ROMs aren't counted as sales and the devs see no moneyso why should they be counted a legit games for the PC?They shouldn't.

There are freeware games, that are better than many VC games, one of which (Masq) was featured in PC gamers top 100 games of all time. Yet, no sign on GS (due to the sheer number of them).

I agree that ROMS shouldn't be accounted for, but even without them, there would be more AAA's, a LOT more.

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

exactly, and that is where the thread ends. I'm tired of them using VC games as modern-day scores. PS3 would mop the floor of both the Wii and Xbox 360 library combined.

Bread_or_Decide

Its sad that the Wii's highest scoring games are mostly on the VC. That top list is riddled with them. It really shouldn't count.

How many times do people have to repeat - the games are re-reviewed by todays standards, they are modern day scores. They are AAA games by todays standards given the price and the console. Why is it sad that there are lots of classic games being made available that are still AAA quality?

They don't count in system wars tallies of games because they are not new games, they are emulations of another system. If they were brand new games, released at the same price, they would be AAA and they would count.

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]VC games dont count, so dont use them as AAA. According to who? ME, and that's the final wordweb966

You can play it on Wii, it counts.

Then no one will ever be able to beat the PS3, because I have a PS3 that plays ALL of the PS2's library.

You can play them on the PS3, it counts right?

And all the ROMs from places like GameTap count for the PC, right?

So? Wii can play GC, N64, SNES, NES, Genesis, TG-16, and NEO GEO games. Wii wins.

First, funny.

Second, you can't play every game from all of these consoles.

Third, you can legally play many, many ROMs on the PS3, using Linux, I guess.

And let me put your whole argument to pieces by mentioning something unrelated to other platforms' ability to emulate: If someone could make a console that legally emulates every game ever before this gen, and do nothing else, does it still win the current-gen wars...? Because that, sir, would be quite dumb.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

exactly, and that is where the thread ends. I'm tired of them using VC games as modern-day scores. PS3 would mop the floor of both the Wii and Xbox 360 library combined.

actionquake

Its sad that the Wii's highest scoring games are mostly on the VC. That top list is riddled with them. It really shouldn't count.

How many times do people have to repeat - the games are re-reviewed by todays standards, they are modern day scores. They are AAA games by todays standards given the price and the console. Why is it sad that there are lots of classic games being made available that are still AAA quality?

They don't count in system wars tallies of games because they are not new games, they are emulations of another system. If they were brand new games, released at the same price, they would be AAA and they would count.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

exactly, and that is where the thread ends. I'm tired of them using VC games as modern-day scores. PS3 would mop the floor of both the Wii and Xbox 360 library combined.

actionquake

Its sad that the Wii's highest scoring games are mostly on the VC. That top list is riddled with them. It really shouldn't count.

How many times do people have to repeat - the games are re-reviewed by todays standards, they are modern day scores. They are AAA games by todays standards given the price and the console. Why is it sad that there are lots of classic games being made available that are still AAA quality?

They don't count in system wars tallies of games because they are not new games, they are emulations of another system. If they were brand new games, released at the same price, they would be AAA and they would count.

No, they're not. And don't go running off to the OoT or whatever review to prove me wrong. The standards are lowered, they're just not necessarily 20 years ago's (or the year the game was released) standards. Otherwise, SMB3 would have scored lower than NSMB, for example.

To count d/l'able games for other consoles would put the PC at an unfair disadvantage, our freeware games aren't reviewed, online distributed games like Mount and Blade aren't reviewed, no puzzle games are reviewed.

The reason why is that there is too many, this showcases the PC's supremacy in online distributed and downloadable game, but GS and SW wont acknowledge this, which suppresses a minority.

That's why the traditional system has worked since the start of SW. It's also why it shouldn't (and will not) change.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

exactly, and that is where the thread ends. I'm tired of them using VC games as modern-day scores. PS3 would mop the floor of both the Wii and Xbox 360 library combined.

actionquake

Its sad that the Wii's highest scoring games are mostly on the VC. That top list is riddled with them. It really shouldn't count.

How many times do people have to repeat - the games are re-reviewed by todays standards, they are modern day scores. They are AAA games by todays standards given the price and the console. Why is it sad that there are lots of classic games being made available that are still AAA quality?

They don't count in system wars tallies of games because they are not new games, they are emulations of another system. If they were brand new games, released at the same price, they would be AAA and they would count.

They are reviewed regarding one question and one question only. "Is this worth paying ten bucks or less?" Thats it. They are not reviewed the same as a 60 dollar shelf game.

If I pooped gold I'd be rich. Whats your point? They aren't new. They don't count. End of story.

SMB3 = $5

NSMB = $35

Is it possible that by today's standards, the classic SMB3 for $5 without having to get off the couch is a better deal than NSMB which costs 7 times as much and requires a trip to the store or an evenhigher price tag and several days of waiting?