Achivements...making 360 muliplataform games better than in other systems...

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#1 tacubano
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do achivements make 360 multiplataform better than other plataforms.....if u have a ps3 and a 360 do u buy the multiplataform game for the ps3 or the 360...
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#2 Quack_Attack
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Better than PS3, not better than PC.
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Better than PS3, not better than PC.Quack_Attack

so u are saying that if u had the same game in 360 and pc u would pick pc even though the 360 had achievements and was exactly the same???? what does the pc have that the 360 doesn't???

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#4 metalmonkey268
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Achievments aren't important to me.
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[QUOTE="Quack_Attack"]Better than PS3, not better than PC.tacubano

so u are saying that if u had the same game in 360 and pc u would pick pc even though the 360 had achievements and was exactly the same???? what does the pc have that the 360 doesn't???

Mods. Free games are better than a fairly small amount of new gameplay (juggling a car for seven seconds).
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#7 tacubano
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in a way achivements make u want to get them so bad that u'll skip story line or other features in a game just to get them
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#8 metalmonkey268
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in a way achivements make u want to get them so bad that u'll skip story line or other features in a game just to get themtacubano


They really don't.
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Achievements are a true gimmick. If the games look better or has something better on another system I would choose the other only for the achievements.
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I would get a multiplat game on the 360 because of achievment points unless the wii version was more fun. 
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I play a game because it's fun.

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No. . . .
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Achievements give me a reason to keep playing the game over instead of just beating it once and never playing it again.
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#14 metalmonkey268
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Achievements give me a reason to keep playing the game over instead of just beating it once and never playing it again. realityillusion


Kind of says something about the games you play, now does it?
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[QUOTE="Quack_Attack"]Better than PS3, not better than PC.tacubano

so u are saying that if u had the same game in 360 and pc u would pick pc even though the 360 had achievements and was exactly the same???? what does the pc have that the 360 doesn't???

The PC has mods. >_>
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Achievments aren't important to me.metalmonkey268

They are fun.  They are great in a game like Gears where you check to see what your teammates achievements are before the game to try to judge the level of experience your comrades have.

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Achievements give me a reason to keep playing the game over instead of just beating it once and never playing it again. realityillusion
       

They give you a idea of something to do, but no reason to do it,

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They are fun. They are great in a game like Gears where you check to see what your teammates achievements are before the game to try to judge the level of experience your comrades have.

lordseer


That's great, I don't play games for usless points that I can't use for anything.
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[QUOTE="realityillusion"]Achievements give me a reason to keep playing the game over instead of just beating it once and never playing it again. metalmonkey268


Kind of says something about the games you play, now does it?

Ok let me rephrase what i said. Achievements are one of the reasons i play through a game. happy now?
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[QUOTE="lordseer"]

They are fun. They are great in a game like Gears where you check to see what your teammates achievements are before the game to try to judge the level of experience your comrades have.

metalmonkey268



That's great, I don't play games for usless points that I can't use for anything.

You don't play the game for the points but it is cool figure out some measurement of your skill.  You're telling me that when playing Mario 64 you didn't try to get all the stars?  That is similar to an achievement.  So was a time run through contra or the original mario.  Achievements are simply an extention of accomplishments in gaming like these.

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#22 metalmonkey268
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Ok let me rephrase what i said. Achievements are one of the reasons i play through a game. happy now?realityillusion


Kind of says something about the games you play, now does it?
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Achievements bring real value to your Gamertag. Microsoft did a great job by inventing achievements. Some people think that MS made them as a superficial reward to fool the public into buying more games. This isn't true. Good ideas are not born from manipulation. They had a problem which was Gamertags had no value and people wanted to change their name every 10 minutes. Now, people take their Gamertag seriously and invest in it since it has a Reputation and Achievements associated with it.
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[QUOTE="realityillusion"]Ok let me rephrase what i said. Achievements are one of the reasons i play through a game. happy now?metalmonkey268


Kind of says something about the games you play, now does it?

Yes i play fun games that are more fun because of the achievements. :)
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[QUOTE="metalmonkey268"][QUOTE="lordseer"]

They are fun. They are great in a game like Gears where you check to see what your teammates achievements are before the game to try to judge the level of experience your comrades have.

lordseer



That's great, I don't play games for usless points that I can't use for anything.

You don't play the game for the points but it is cool figure out some measurement of your skill. You're telling me that when playing Mario 64 you didn't try to get all the stars? That is similar to an achievement. So was a time run through contra or the original mario. Achievements are simply an extention of accomplishments in gaming like these.

I went for 120 start because they were fun, I also went for a Knife only (except bosses) run on RE because I really liked the game and was fun, i didn't needed some message and some points to an epeen card. In fact i prefer some extra content for achivements like new hats for the character or some concept art like many games in the past did, insted we recieve points to our epeen card and we have to pay for the extra content.
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PS3 will soon have achievements with digital trophies. All lemmings get is text, LOL. :lol:
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PS3 will soon have achievements with digital trophies. All lemmings get is text, LOL. :lol:Timstuff
OMFG?!! TROPHIES? o we lemmings have been owned........ :roll:
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No.  As I've said before...

Achievements serve no function and should be removed.

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They had a problem which was Gamertags had no value and people wanted to change their name every 10 minutes. Now, people take their Gamertag seriously and invest in it since it has a Reputation and Achievements associated with it.Berserker_2
"Seriously"? "Invest"? "Reputation"? Is a game dude :( : Im done with taking gaming seriously with my 2 years in WoW... leaving the stupid epeen races was the best gaming decision i could have made and im not going back.
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#30 lordseer
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[QUOTE="lordseer"][QUOTE="metalmonkey268"][QUOTE="lordseer"]

They are fun. They are great in a game like Gears where you check to see what your teammates achievements are before the game to try to judge the level of experience your comrades have.

loco145



That's great, I don't play games for usless points that I can't use for anything.

You don't play the game for the points but it is cool figure out some measurement of your skill. You're telling me that when playing Mario 64 you didn't try to get all the stars? That is similar to an achievement. So was a time run through contra or the original mario. Achievements are simply an extention of accomplishments in gaming like these.

I went for 120 start because they were fun, I also went for a Knife only (except bosses) run on RE because I really liked the game and was fun, i didn't needed some message and some points to an epeen card. In fact i prefer some extra content for achivements like new hats for the character or some concept art like many games in the past did, insted we recieve points to our epeen card and we have to pay for the extra content.

So when you got all 120 stars you didn't tell any friends that also played the game that you did?

Also, achievements have nothing to do with extra content.  Many times in games themselves, aside from achievements, you get unlockable items for playing the game and playing it well.  In DOA 4 you get unlockable content for winning matches and points to spend in their toon shop.

Don't relate downloadable content to achievements because they have nothing to do with each other.

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#31 metalmonkey268
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You're telling me that when playing Mario 64 you didn't try to get all the stars?

lordseer


Nope, I didn't.
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#32 lordseer
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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"]They had a problem which was Gamertags had no value and people wanted to change their name every 10 minutes. Now, people take their Gamertag seriously and invest in it since it has a Reputation and Achievements associated with it.loco145
Seriously? Is a game dude :( : Im done with taking gaming seriously with my 2 years in WoW... leaving the stupid epeen races was the best gaming decision i could have made and im not going back.

You say that, and I thought achievements wouldn't be something I would be interested in, until I was online playing Gears and suddenly I saw the message, "new achievement unlocked".  I went and checked to see that I had hit 100 executions in Gears.  I kind of thought to myself, that's cool.   Honestly it's like they subliminaly draw you in.

They are basically just a rating of experience in a game.  Not liking achievements is like not liking statistics in a game.

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[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]They had a problem which was Gamertags had no value and people wanted to change their name every 10 minutes. Now, people take their Gamertag seriously and invest in it since it has a Reputation and Achievements associated with it.lordseer

Seriously? Is a game dude :( : Im done with taking gaming seriously with my 2 years in WoW... leaving the stupid epeen races was the best gaming decision i could have made and im not going back.

You say that, and I thought achievements wouldn't be something I would be interested in, until I was online playing Gears and suddenly I saw the message, "new achievement unlocked".  I went and checked to see that I had hit 100 executions in Gears.  I kind of thought to myself, that's cool.   Honestly it's like they subliminaly draw you in.

They are basically just a rating of experience in a game.  Not liking achievements is like not liking statistics in a game.

The problem with achievements is that they waste developers' resources (time and money) that could be better spent on other aspects of gameplay.  If a user wants to set up some sort of silly artifical "achievement" to strive for, more power to them.

But the needs of that user, and their strange desire to play the game in bizarre ways, should not devour resources developers might spend to make all customers more happy (debugging, more content, etc).

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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"]They had a problem which was Gamertags had no value and people wanted to change their name every 10 minutes. Now, people take their Gamertag seriously and invest in it since it has a Reputation and Achievements associated with it.loco145
"Seriously"? "Invest"? "Reputation"? Is a game dude :( : Im done with taking gaming seriously with my 2 years in WoW... leaving the stupid epeen races was the best gaming decision i could have made and im not going back.

I didn't say that I was going to put my achievements and rep on my resume. Games are often about competition. So, as a competitive guy, I like the fact that I can display my achievements and rep to my fellow gamers.
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[QUOTE="lordseer"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]They had a problem which was Gamertags had no value and people wanted to change their name every 10 minutes. Now, people take their Gamertag seriously and invest in it since it has a Reputation and Achievements associated with it.FoamingPanda

Seriously? Is a game dude :( : Im done with taking gaming seriously with my 2 years in WoW... leaving the stupid epeen races was the best gaming decision i could have made and im not going back.

You say that, and I thought achievements wouldn't be something I would be interested in, until I was online playing Gears and suddenly I saw the message, "new achievement unlocked".  I went and checked to see that I had hit 100 executions in Gears.  I kind of thought to myself, that's cool.   Honestly it's like they subliminaly draw you in.

They are basically just a rating of experience in a game.  Not liking achievements is like not liking statistics in a game.

The problem with achievements is that they waste developers' resources (time and money) that could be better spent on other aspects of gameplay.  If a user wants to set up some sort of silly artifical "achievement" to strive for, more power to them.

But the needs of that user, and their strange desire to play the game in bizarre ways, should not devour resources developers might spend to make all customers more happy (debugging, more content, etc).

I doubt they spend much time at all.  I'm sure the code for the computer to register that you've won 100 matches in a game, or 10 in a row, or hit your 100 headshot and to have that register on a log takes much developer time.

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[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]They had a problem which was Gamertags had no value and people wanted to change their name every 10 minutes. Now, people take their Gamertag seriously and invest in it since it has a Reputation and Achievements associated with it.lordseer

Seriously? Is a game dude :( : Im done with taking gaming seriously with my 2 years in WoW... leaving the stupid epeen races was the best gaming decision i could have made and im not going back.

You say that, and I thought achievements wouldn't be something I would be interested in, until I was online playing Gears and suddenly I saw the message, "new achievement unlocked". I went and checked to see that I had hit 100 executions in Gears. I kind of thought to myself, that's cool. Honestly it's like they subliminaly draw you in.

They are basically just a rating of experience in a game. Not liking achievements is like not liking statistics in a game.

Rival guilds payed real money to one of our officers to rob our guild bank in WoW, i know about "taking gamming seriosuly", "statics" and "rating experience" and im not going back. Im playing OoT atm for second time and im having a blast, i don't need to tell anyone about my progress, im not doing a perfect run or trying to break any record and it feels so good... compared to having a game transformed into a De facto second job like WoW did.
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well, multiplats on 360 have better graphics, live support, and achievements. the only reason to get it on another system is if you don't have a 360.
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I like achievments because they give you a way to go through a game a way you normaly wouldnt. There is no point getting obsessed by them but they are a good thing and theyre optional so your not forced into anything. 
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[QUOTE="lordseer"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]They had a problem which was Gamertags had no value and people wanted to change their name every 10 minutes. Now, people take their Gamertag seriously and invest in it since it has a Reputation and Achievements associated with it.FoamingPanda

Seriously? Is a game dude :( : Im done with taking gaming seriously with my 2 years in WoW... leaving the stupid epeen races was the best gaming decision i could have made and im not going back.

You say that, and I thought achievements wouldn't be something I would be interested in, until I was online playing Gears and suddenly I saw the message, "new achievement unlocked". I went and checked to see that I had hit 100 executions in Gears. I kind of thought to myself, that's cool. Honestly it's like they subliminaly draw you in.

They are basically just a rating of experience in a game. Not liking achievements is like not liking statistics in a game.

The problem with achievements is that they waste developers' resources (time and money) that could be better spent on other aspects of gameplay. If a user wants to set up some sort of silly artifical "achievement" to strive for, more power to them.

But the needs of that user, and their strange desire to play the game in bizarre ways, should not devour resources developers might spend to make all customers more happy (debugging, more content, etc).

Wrong. It takes no work to implement achievements. For example, some games simply give you points for finishing each level. How much development time was spent on that? Let's see, 10 levels at 100 points for each level = 1000 total points allowed for a game. Other developers get creative, but the achievements often reflect stats which are already tracked in-game. In Gears, every bullet is recorded regardless of achievements. So, killing 10,000 enemies will unlock an achievement.
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#40 lordseer
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[QUOTE="lordseer"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]They had a problem which was Gamertags had no value and people wanted to change their name every 10 minutes. Now, people take their Gamertag seriously and invest in it since it has a Reputation and Achievements associated with it.loco145

Seriously? Is a game dude :( : Im done with taking gaming seriously with my 2 years in WoW... leaving the stupid epeen races was the best gaming decision i could have made and im not going back.

You say that, and I thought achievements wouldn't be something I would be interested in, until I was online playing Gears and suddenly I saw the message, "new achievement unlocked". I went and checked to see that I had hit 100 executions in Gears. I kind of thought to myself, that's cool. Honestly it's like they subliminaly draw you in.

They are basically just a rating of experience in a game. Not liking achievements is like not liking statistics in a game.

Rival guilds payed real money to one of our officers to rob our guild bank in WoW, i know about "taking gamming seriosuly", "statics" and "rating experience" and im not going back. Im playing OoT atm for second time and im having a blast, i don't need to tell anyone about my progress, im not doing a perfect run or trying to break any record and it feels so good instead of having a game transformed into a De facto second job like WoW did.

Lol.  Trust me I understand Wow.  I had over 120 days logged on a warlock.  It can honestly ruin gaming for someone.  Things aren't half as bad with achivements.  Honestly I think you are relating your hate for some mechanics in wow, "shinies", to gaming in general.  Come back over from the dark side. 

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Achievments are a pointless gimmick that adds nothing to the game. It's incredibly sad if you actually care about gamerscore and all that crap.
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[QUOTE="lordseer"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]They had a problem which was Gamertags had no value and people wanted to change their name every 10 minutes. Now, people take their Gamertag seriously and invest in it since it has a Reputation and Achievements associated with it.loco145

Seriously? Is a game dude :( : Im done with taking gaming seriously with my 2 years in WoW... leaving the stupid epeen races was the best gaming decision i could have made and im not going back.

You say that, and I thought achievements wouldn't be something I would be interested in, until I was online playing Gears and suddenly I saw the message, "new achievement unlocked". I went and checked to see that I had hit 100 executions in Gears. I kind of thought to myself, that's cool. Honestly it's like they subliminaly draw you in.

They are basically just a rating of experience in a game. Not liking achievements is like not liking statistics in a game.

Rival guilds payed real money to one of our officers to rob our guild bank in WoW, i know about "taking gamming seriosuly", "statics" and "rating experience" and im not going back. Im playing OoT atm for second time and im having a blast, i don't need to tell anyone about my progress, im not doing a perfect run or trying to break any record and it feels so good... compared to having a game transformed into a De facto second job like WoW did.

I understand what you mean. I can see gaming get more serious with user created content on Live. It could ruin the gaming experience. I agree that games are not supposed to be "work".
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[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="lordseer"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]They had a problem which was Gamertags had no value and people wanted to change their name every 10 minutes. Now, people take their Gamertag seriously and invest in it since it has a Reputation and Achievements associated with it.Berserker_2

Seriously? Is a game dude :( : Im done with taking gaming seriously with my 2 years in WoW... leaving the stupid epeen races was the best gaming decision i could have made and im not going back.

You say that, and I thought achievements wouldn't be something I would be interested in, until I was online playing Gears and suddenly I saw the message, "new achievement unlocked". I went and checked to see that I had hit 100 executions in Gears. I kind of thought to myself, that's cool. Honestly it's like they subliminaly draw you in.

They are basically just a rating of experience in a game. Not liking achievements is like not liking statistics in a game.

Rival guilds payed real money to one of our officers to rob our guild bank in WoW, i know about "taking gamming seriosuly", "statics" and "rating experience" and im not going back. Im playing OoT atm for second time and im having a blast, i don't need to tell anyone about my progress, im not doing a perfect run or trying to break any record and it feels so good... compared to having a game transformed into a De facto second job like WoW did.

I understand what you mean. I can see gaming get more serious with user created content on Live. It could ruin the gaming experience. I agree that games are not supposed to be "work".

MMO's are just a whole different breed.  He probably just has frustrations built up from the grind for new equipment or maybe a PVP ranking in wow, which can absolutely kill gaming in general for someone for a while.

Achievements are the equivalent of having to dust your room in comparison to a life long career in construction in terms of "work".

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#44 tacubano
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well achievements do make wanna care bout the game and actually work hard to get them....u just get this feeling like u did something great when that noise and sign pops out!!! plus is a cool way to see how good ur friends are and if they are playing the same games u are....and by the way all those people that said achievements are just a gimmick, they are probably jealous..or don't a 360 to experience it.....digital trophies....:roll:
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#45 remaGloohcSdlO
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Achievements are my favorite "next/new gen" feature... it just feels like natural progression for games to have things like this.