Heavy Rain, amazing? Hahahahahah, ah dear. That game can't even work out a decent and coherent plot or narrative without being full of holes and character continuity issues. It's okay, and a bold experiment in the evolution of the Fahrenheit formula for a triple A game. It's not terribly good, nor is it great, at all.
I'm confused as to the purpose of this thread? They're not even in the SAME genre! Anyways, RDR is def one of the best games, just I couldn't (still can't) get into it fully
RDR is easily one of my favorite games this gen. John Marston is one of the best characters this gen also. I really do not know why you are comparing it to Heavy Rain since they are nothing alike. If you are just talking about story and characters then RDR wins hands down. Oh and I am still angry at Rockstar for the ending.
I dont even know what the TC is talking about, LITERALLY....but on another note, HR and RDR were both amazing games, but HR was a bit better IMO since RDR was GTA in the wild west.
What magic level were you when you casted that? I think you could have just gave him a "rainbow anklet" that way you don't have to waste your MP casting eusana cuz he's bounf to get confused again
What magic level were you when you casted that? I think you could have just gave him a "rainbow anklet" that way you don't have to waste your MP casting eusana cuz he's bounf to get confused again
[QUOTE="Arach666"] *casts Esuna* You should be fine now.PSTreyExpo2012
What magic level were you when you casted that? I think you could have just gave him a "rainbow anklet" that way you don't have to waste your MP casting eusana cuz he's bounf to get confused again
he could just wait it out... You guys are taking this waaaay too seriously. :P
Hated HR. After 2 chapters i just couldn't go any further. Extremely boring game :( . Nothing to say about RDR since its on my top five fav games this gen.
The problem with RDR is that it feels too much like GTA... and i'm completely sick of GTA games. The way the characters handle and having to do large U turns when turning around.. i dont know, rockstar needs to update the way their open world games function, its getting stale regardless of the skin they put on it.
Heavy Rain, amazing? Hahahahahah, ah dear. That game can't even work out a decent and coherent plot or narrative without being full of holes and character continuity issues. It's okay, and a bold experiment in the evolution of the Fahrenheit formula for a triple A game. It's not terribly good, nor is it great, at all.skrat_01
I heard all that stuff about massive plot holes and expected to be disappointed by the story when I got the game, but I don't remember noticing any plot holes at all. I'm not saying they don't exist but in the heat of the game I never noticed any, I actually kept waiting for them to spring up like a sore thumb. I kinda felt lied to and should have just expected the amazing and polished experience I ultimately got.
Hated HR. After 2 chapters i just couldn't go any further. Extremely boring game :( . Nothing to say about RDR since its on my top five fav games this gen.silversix_
I never understood what was so special about Heavy Rain's plot. It wasn't very good to be honest. The game itself is fun just because it's so unique and the action sequences are great, but story wise, it's about as good as a B rated movie.
I liked Heavy Rain very cool story, but it was more of an interactive movie than an actual game. I still feel RDR is better because I got much more enjoyment from it then Heavy Rain... and it was an actual game.
Thats what LA Noir is for. R* literally saw what HR was and said, "Hey why dont we take that, and what we did in RDR but make it in a different setting" And boom, there you have it.
[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Heavy Rain, amazing? Hahahahahah, ah dear. That game can't even work out a decent and coherent plot or narrative without being full of holes and character continuity issues. It's okay, and a bold experiment in the evolution of the Fahrenheit formula for a triple A game. It's not terribly good, nor is it great, at all.tomarlyn
I heard all that stuff about massive plot holes and expected to be disappointed by the story when I got the game, but I don't remember noticing any plot holes at all. I'm not saying they don't exist but in the heat of the game I never noticed any, I actually kept waiting for them to spring up like a sore thumb. I kinda felt lied to and should have just expected the amazing and polished experience I ultimately got. How about... SPOILERS ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You can't read the Private Detective's thoughts about being a killer? are we supposed to think he doesn't know he's the killer?
Heavy Rain was a game I chose to only play once even though I wanted to play it again, because I just wanted to live with my choices. RDR was a game I could barely finish because of my boredom with it.
[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Heavy Rain, amazing? Hahahahahah, ah dear. That game can't even work out a decent and coherent plot or narrative without being full of holes and character continuity issues. It's okay, and a bold experiment in the evolution of the Fahrenheit formula for a triple A game. It's not terribly good, nor is it great, at all.tomarlyn
I heard all that stuff about massive plot holes and expected to be disappointed by the story when I got the game, but I don't remember noticing any plot holes at all. I'm not saying they don't exist but in the heat of the game I never noticed any, I actually kept waiting for them to spring up like a sore thumb. I kinda felt lied to and should have just expected the amazing and polished experience I ultimately got.Not noticing? Really? Strange, I found the plot holes glaring, and as the game progressed elements introduced earlier on, which were seemingly irrelevant added to the mess, like the supernatural elements that were introduced (low and behold it turned out the developers actually removed a good portion of supernatural developments, but kept others in ugh). Then as it got more absurd, the pivotal plot 'twist' so badly inserted into the narrative and just not coherent with the characters surrounding development, it felt insulting, like a cheap attempt at pulling the rug out from underneath you for shock value. For a game that was so heavily dependent on plot that's where it crumbled for me, and the rest of the game was spent asking 'why' so many narrative aspects were introduced (the red room for instance), and why David Cage was blowing his own horn so loudly when he had written a plot worse than a C grade TV crime thriller. It wasn't a bad game, and I agree it wasn't an amazing or polished experience either, but at least it did try something different. Problem is many games just don't put a focus on narrative like Heavy Rain, those that do usually keep the narrative techniques clean cut and definable, and then you have the games abstract mechanics along side of it; so the interpretation of a game like Heavy Rain is going to be quite mixed.
[spoiler] When you're in Alfred's clock store, one of scotts thoughts is "Lauren thinks she's close to finding the killer, I think she's going to be disappointed". I noticed this after playing the gaming a second time; felt so stupid for missing this the first time [/spoiler]
Heavy Rain was one of my best gaming experiences this gen. It had its flaws but it blew me away with its intensity and polish. Beautiful game. I have yet to play RDR though - Im just cutting through GTA IV now and definitely not ready for another R* game.
Oh and this thread doesnt make sense to me tbh :oops:
[spoiler] Something like that followed by the whole 'blackout' scene, ratchets up there as one of the cheapest plot devices in any narrative. [/spoiler]
i'm sure the story is really neat but everything i hear about the gameplay is absolutely horrible. Very little divergence, just going through the motions. Plus i hear it has quite a few QTEs and imo QTE area pathetic excuse for in game interactivity
Well of course if you loved HR you won't want to play RDR. RDR actually makes you do stuff and actually PLAY the damn game not sit on your ass and do a bunch of QTE's. Don't get me wrong Heavy Rain as an interactive Movie was a pretty damn good one..but it's not a game. RDR is a game.
[spoiler] I agree on the blackout scene, I wish this was explained. Maybe the Psychiatrist was right and it was because of the accident, why he had an origami in his hand is something I dont understand. Maybe split personality ? Who knows. [/spoiler]
What magic level were you when you casted that? I think you could have just gave him a "rainbow anklet" that way you don't have to waste your MP casting eusana cuz he's bounf to get confused again
I thought HR had some really cool moments, (like when you chop your finger off), and at least tried to innovate. It had lots of plot holes though, and I too got a 'interactive-movie' vibe from it. But really, it was a good try. If they can fix these issues next time and make it feel more game-ey, then it could be a excellent game.
Actually, although this thread doesn't make much sense, I can see a connection between RDR and Heavy Rain - namely, that they are two of the best examples of games this gen pushing storytelling and character developement. Also their ability to cause real emotion, which is a personal reaction and won't be effective for everyone, but was for a lot of us. The slow-pace in these games was deliberate to establish mood and environment - but it's also why some of you say they're boring. It's a valid opinion. For me, an example of a game that was too boring to sit through was Gears of War - nonstop explosions and gunfire, no story or characters. Different target audiences.
Thats what LA Noir is for. R* literally saw what HR was and said, "Hey why dont we take that, and what we did in RDR but make it in a different setting" And boom, there you have it.
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Not really L.A Noire plays very differently compared to Heavy Rain. L.A Noire is more like a graphic adventure while Heavy Rain is a interactive movie. Also so L.A Noire story isn't as bad as Heavy Rain.
[QUOTE="Funconsole"]I'm confused as to the purpose of this thread? They're not even in the SAME genre! TC probably means that after playing an interactive movie, he can't make the effort to play a game properly because it isn't just an interactive movie.
[QUOTE="dramaybaz"] TC probably means that after playing an interactive movie, he can't make the effort to play a game properly because it isn't just an interactive movie. I know you're not the first one to call Heavy Rain an "interactive movie", but it's just not accurate. You control your character, make choices, and those choices influence the story. Rather drastically, as you'd know if you'd played it. If you call it a movie simply because there are a lot of cutscenes, then get over it, that's the style of game. And if you're calling it a movie because you think it's linear, it's actually quite a bit less linear than most games - how many games are there with 12+ endings?
Alas hahahaha oh there are bad devices, but that is up there with a Deus Ex Machina. But yeah there are so many things floating around the characters in regard to plot holes or question makes I don't see why David Cage didn't retain the supernatural elements.
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