AlienWare X51 upgrading demonstration, BEHOLD AN UPGRADABLE CONSOLE

After seeing that I might consider buying one of these but how is that GTX 560 gonna work with such a small wattage PSU? Is it some specific one for their systems?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSHa5MopfKI

What PSU is used and what is the wattage and amperage (for the 12v rail)?

What PSU is used and what is the wattage and amperage (for the 12v rail)?

lundy86_4

I have no idea, either the GPU he bought was low consuming or he added an aftermarket PSU

Is not having to build your own computer the only advantage to owning this?

What PSU is used and what is the wattage and amperage (for the 12v rail)?

lundy86_4

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What PSU is used and what is the wattage and amperage (for the 12v rail)?

NoodleFighter

I have no idea, either the GPU he bought was low consuming or he added an aftermarket PSU

It looks fairly low quality (200-300+ watt PSU for the initial builds). I'd assume it's aftermarket.

Could be wrong though, but I doubt the PSU has enough power for the system and enough amps on the 12v rail to support a 560.

Cramming hardware in a small box does not a console make.lowe0

Nope. I'd say this is marketed toward people that want something more low-profile. The UI doesn't help for larger living rooms though.

how is this like a console in anyway? because it has a smaller case?

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

What PSU is used and what is the wattage and amperage (for the 12v rail)?

lundy86_4

I have no idea, either the GPU he bought was low consuming or he added an aftermarket PSU

It looks fairly low quality (200-300+ watt PSU for the initial builds). I'd assume it's aftermarket.

Could be wrong though, but I doubt the PSU has enough power for the system and enough amps on the 12v rail to support a 560.

:P

Cramming hardware in a small box does not a console make.lowe0

Word. He should have got an fps limiter and set it to 25, and then played his games on low.

It looks fairly low quality (200-300+ watt PSU for the initial builds). I'd assume it's aftermarket.

Could be wrong though, but I doubt the PSU has enough power for the system and enough amps on the 12v rail to support a 560.

lundy86_4

Well you only need a 350w to handle a 2500k and GTX 560 Ti. Not sure how much power it'd be when at max load though.

:P

NoodleFighter

Seriously, wut? That be crazy.

alienware = excessively overpriced productsDiviniuz

Still cheaper and better than Macs :P

After seeing that I might consider buying one of these but how is that GTX 560 gonna work with such a small wattage PSU? Is it some specific one for their systems?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSHa5MopfKI

NoodleFighter

It's similar to Mini-ITX with PEG slot extension card i.e.

Mini-ITX motherboard----- GPU

My Silverstone SG07 has the following layout.

GPU
|
Mini-ITX motherboard.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

It looks fairly low quality (200-300+ watt PSU for the initial builds). I'd assume it's aftermarket.

Could be wrong though, but I doubt the PSU has enough power for the system and enough amps on the 12v rail to support a 560.

Well you only need a 350w to handle a 2500k and GTX 560 Ti. Not sure how much power it'd be when at max load though.

what is it? oh, alienware? i'm not going to bother looking at it but whatever it is or does i can build it for half what they want.

what is it? oh, alienware? i'm not going to bother looking at it but whatever it is or does i can build it for half what they want.

Riverwolf007

Small form factor PC. Smaller than most m-ATX builds, due to the custom case.

I wonder low long can you game on it with a GTX 560 before it overheats?

::clears throat:: 'an' in your title it should be 'an'.

Also 'an' upgradeable console is a terrible idea and buying a computer just for it's tiny case seems a bit silly too. Are you really going to be traveling around with a small pc that often? Is a laptop not sufficient power for their portability?

::clears throat:: 'an' in your title it should be 'an'.

Also 'an' upgradeable console is a terrible idea and buying a computer just for it's tiny case seems a bit silly too. Are you really going to be traveling around with a small pc that often? Is a laptop not sufficient power for their portability?

Inconsistancy

::clears throat:: 'an' in your title it should be 'an'.

Also 'an' upgradeable console is a terrible idea and buying a computer just for it's tiny case seems a bit silly too. Are you really going to be traveling around with a small pc that often? Is a laptop not sufficient power for their portability?

Inconsistancy

I went slow once, It was terrible....

How is an upgradeable console a bad idea. This gen it would not be possible, but the next gen having an upgrade in ram and a good quad cpu it make sense. Just think if this gen was built to allow upgrades, the consumer could make the transitiion to next gen for under 300 bucks by changing the custom made gpu when companies feel it's time to move on...oh and being a grammar nazi is not a good look.LOL.ceelogic

Simple answer: segregation.

How is an upgradeable console a bad idea. This gen it would not be possible, but the next gen having an upgrade in ram and a good quad cpu it make sense. Just think if this gen was built to allow upgrades, the consumer could make the transitiion to next gen for under 300 bucks by changing the custom made gpu when companies feel it's time to move on...oh and being a grammar nazi is not a good look.LOL.ceelogic

Do you want examples of how it is a bad thing? Just look at sega's and nintendo's past mistakes with "upgradability."

[QUOTE="ceelogic"]How is an upgradeable console a bad idea. This gen it would not be possible, but the next gen having an upgrade in ram and a good quad cpu it make sense. Just think if this gen was built to allow upgrades, the consumer could make the transitiion to next gen for under 300 bucks by changing the custom made gpu when companies feel it's time to move on...oh and being a grammar nazi is not a good look.LOL.lundy86_4

Simple answer: segregation.

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[QUOTE="ceelogic"]How is an upgradeable console a bad idea. This gen it would not be possible, but the next gen having an upgrade in ram and a good quad cpu it make sense. Just think if this gen was built to allow upgrades, the consumer could make the transitiion to next gen for under 300 bucks by changing the custom made gpu when companies feel it's time to move on...oh and being a grammar nazi is not a good look.LOL.ceelogic

Simple answer: segregation.

When they release the new upgrade, there would be segregation. Those that are willing to upgrade and those that are not. The PC faces the same problem, yet addresses it with a low-level API for the differing configurations.

There are developers who are willing to config for differing configurations and those who are not. Heck, the N64 had the same issue with the expanded RAM pack.

After seeing that I might consider buying one of these but how is that GTX 560 gonna work with such a small wattage PSU? Is it some specific one for their systems?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSHa5MopfKI

NoodleFighter

http://reviews.cnet.com/eMachines_ET1161_03/4505-3118_7-33317012.html

installing a 560 gtx in that is much less hassle ive done it and it's cheaper ....that's the pc im typing on now.

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

After seeing that I might consider buying one of these but how is that GTX 560 gonna work with such a small wattage PSU? Is it some specific one for their systems?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSHa5MopfKI

wewantdoom4now

http://reviews.cnet.com/eMachines_ET1161_03/4505-3118_7-33317012.html

installing a 560 gtx in that is much less hassle ive done it and it's cheaper ....that's the pc im typing on now.

Check out the inside of my pc on that link lol plenty of room.

You can get the bent sata cables like this if card hits them in my pc and problem solved, but installed a 560 gtx without having to change cables.

http://www.macmall.com/p/product~dpno~420855~pdp.cegfdeb;jsessionid=4B082A83A63C616F628958056CA422F9?emOmni=null&source=MWBGOOGLEBASE

A Pc isn't a console. Until you can put in a disc and have it start playing the game right then without installing the game first and looking for drivers to install its not going to have mass appeal.

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Simple answer: segregation.

lundy86_4

When they release the new upgrade, there would be segregation. Those that are willing to upgrade and those that are not. The PC faces the same problem, yet addresses it with a low-level API for the differing configurations.

There are developers who are willing to config for differing configurations and those who are not. Heck, the N64 had the same issue with the expanded RAM pack.

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[QUOTE="ceelogic"] There would be no segregation because the gpu could not be upgraded until Sony or microsoft release the new custom built gpu. I'm sure people will try to mod the system but the games would be designed for that specific gpu. It is very possible and no one would be alienated.ceelogic

When they release the new upgrade, there would be segregation. Those that are willing to upgrade and those that are not. The PC faces the same problem, yet addresses it with a low-level API for the differing configurations.

There are developers who are willing to config for differing configurations and those who are not. Heck, the N64 had the same issue with the expanded RAM pack.

You are talking about an upgrade to an existing console. Automatically there are those who upgrade and those who do not. That is segregation.

If there is no entirely new system and an upgrade is possible, people will expect the same game for their non-upgraded system (i'm sure people are that dumb :P). If it no longer supports the old, then I see your point. No upgrading means no playing.

So upgrade the existing console but leave the old one with no compatability (in terms of software)?

[QUOTE="ceelogic"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

When they release the new upgrade, there would be segregation. Those that are willing to upgrade and those that are not. The PC faces the same problem, yet addresses it with a low-level API for the differing configurations.

There are developers who are willing to config for differing configurations and those who are not. Heck, the N64 had the same issue with the expanded RAM pack.

lundy86_4

You are talking about an upgrade to an existing console. Automatically there are those who upgrade and those who do not. That is segregation.

If there is no entirely new system and an upgrade is possible, people will expect the same game for their non-upgraded system (i'm sure people are that dumb :P). If it no longer supports the old, then I see your point. No upgrading means no playing.

So upgrade the existing console but leave the old one with no compatability (in terms of software)?

F*** AlienWare I'm gonna make my own Lanbox.

Is not having to build your own computer the only advantage to owning this?

Yangire

[QUOTE="ceelogic"] How is an upgradeable console a bad idea. This gen it would not be possible, but the next gen having an upgrade in ram and a good quad cpu it make sense. Just think if this gen was built to allow upgrades, the consumer could make the transitiion to next gen for under 300 bucks by changing the custom made gpu when companies feel it's time to move on...oh and being a grammar nazi is not a good look.LOL.SageJMP

Do you want examples of how it is a bad thing? Just look at sega's and nintendo's past mistakes with "upgradability."

Why are you guys hating on it? I think this is very clever, if I had loads of money I'd build another decently powerful machine with that in it, it would be very easy to move.

Though is the psu internal? It would be better if it was external.

A Pc isn't a console. Until you can put in a disc and have it start playing the game right then without installing the game first and looking for drivers to install its not going to have mass appeal.

xhawk27

The gaming PC is similar to Taito Type X2/X3 arcade games machine.

I wonder low long can you game on it with a GTX 560 before it overheats?

jun_aka_pekto

An upgradable console won't be of any service to the console industry. Dissimilar hardware would bring hardware requirements into the picture again. The moment requirements enter the picture, customers will be put off by not knowing whether their machine can run a game or not. And despite popular denial by hermits, this is actually one of the primary reasons why people opt for consoles instead of PCs.

Why are you guys hating on it? I think this is very clever, if I had loads of money I'd build another decently powerful machine with that in it, it would be very easy to move.

Though is the psu internal? It would be better if it was external.

JigglyWiggly_

too much of a hassle and stupid holder guides that can break.

he's gotta unplug a bunch of wires to install a card i dont have to unplug ****