All Bioware RPGs have been mediocre since they moved to Xbox

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#1 TheMysticHorse
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KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect... These games were all highly mediocre. It's sad that Bioware left PC and decided to develop for Xbox because they no longer make masterpieces like Baldur's Gate...

Anyone else miss the old Bioware that made awesome games?

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#2 vitz3
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KoTOR was freakin' awesome. On PC.
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#3 RK-Mara
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Old BioWare games were fantastic, but the new ones are definitely not mediocre.
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#4 james28893
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Bioware has always been awesome, hasn't changed since moving to the xbox.
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#5 DragonfireXZ95
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Jade Empire was kind of crappy, but Kotor was amazing on PC at least.
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#6 Unreal_393
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cry some more.

bioware was awesome, and theyre stlll making amazing games.

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#7 TerroRizing
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Jade Empire was kind of crappy, but Kotor was amazing on PC at least.DragonfireXZ95

best on xbox, even check the gamespot review.

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#8 Panzer_Zwei
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Jade Empire was definitively the lowest they have got.

Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood is coming, and it's not under the MS label.

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#9 rzepak
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The xbox games arent worse. They are different. I know you would like Baldurs Gate 3 to 10 to come out and have absolutely nothing changed but thats not what video games are about.
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#10 Franko_3
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I agree Jade empire was kinda boring, a bad fable clone in my opinion ( and I don't consider fable good ).

Kotor was awsome, it's pretty much the last good rpg from them, for me, but I have great hope with Dragon age.

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#11 Coyo7e
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Jade Empire was definitively the lowest they have got.

Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood is coming, and it's not under the MS label.

Panzer_Zwei

I did not like Jade Empire at all when it first released but I recently played through it again and that game got a bad rap.

It is to bad, it was definitely a break from the normal.

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#12 Janimba
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Bioware games have not gotten worse, they have remained the same im quality imo. Ive played Baulders Gate and Neverwinter Nights, they are both awesome but imo KOTOR is better than both of them. Jade Empire has been the worst Bioware game ive played, but it was still very good and Mass Effect is right up there with Neverwinter Nights KOTOR and Baulders Gate.

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KoTOR was freakin' awesome. On PC.vitz3
It was also quite exceptional on the XBOX.
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#14 Panzer_Zwei
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[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Jade Empire was definitively the lowest they have got.

Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood is coming, and it's not under the MS label.

Coyo7e

I did not like Jade Empire at all when it first released but I recently played through it again and that game got a bad rap.

It is to bad, it was definitely a break from the normal.

Normal is all around, it was Bioware's RPG that gave us a break from them. But Jade Empire was too simplistic and shallow, like most of the rest of the common RPGs.
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#15 jimhogg
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KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect... These games were all highly mediocre. It's sad that Bioware left PC and decided to develop for Xbox because they no longer make masterpieces like Baldur's Gate...

Anyone else miss the old Bioware that made awesome games?

TheMysticHorse

kotor was amazing. jade empire was great. too short and mass effect is the best game i've ever played.... btw baldurs gate is on xbox.

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#16 XanderZane
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KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect... These games were all highly mediocre. It's sad that Bioware left PC and decided to develop for Xbox because they no longer make masterpieces like Baldur's Gate...

Anyone else miss the old Bioware that made awesome games?

TheMysticHorse

You either haven't played any of those games or you're nuts. KOTOR and Jade Empire also came out on the PC. These games were excellent on both platforms. Bioware can do no wrong. I'm looking forward to their MMORPG game in the future. Bioware is still making PC games. When did they stop? :roll:

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#17 Panzer_Zwei
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btw baldurs gate is on xbox.

jimhogg

Dark Alliance. A hack n' slash game. :|

They have nothing to do at all with Bioware's RPGs on PC.

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#18 drnick7
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BioWare's console RPGs, while not as amazing as BG2, are far from "mediocre". With their own IPs, BioWare has been able to take their own desired creative direction, and have been trying some new things. While I agree that JE and ME were not as good as BG2, they let BioWare experiment with some new styles and RPG components.

Also, don't think that BioWare has abandoned the PC. Dragon Age is being considered a spiritual successor to BG, and is coming out either this year or next.

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#19 Huff
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Wow this thread was DOA.

I thought ME was pretty good and KOTOR was downright amazing.

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#20 EntwineX
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Well Jade Empire did suck(for a Bioware RPG), but Kotor was amazing.
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#21 PBSnipes
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So thats why the Xbox version of KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time on gamerankings. I agree that Bioware's recent titles haven't been as good as their earlier PC efforts (namely the Baldur's Gate series and Neverwinter Nights), but to say they were "mediocre" is a joke. A below average Bioware title like Jade Empire is still better than 90% of the games out there.
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#22 the_h_bomb
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Dragon's Age and Sonic Chronicles are out soon

Lemmings can keep the crappy KOTOR ripoff known as mass effect, the good Bioware games will be on other systems

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#23 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"]

KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect... These games were all highly mediocre. It's sad that Bioware left PC and decided to develop for Xbox because they no longer make masterpieces like Baldur's Gate...

Anyone else miss the old Bioware that made awesome games?

jimhogg

kotor was amazing. jade empire was great. too short and mass effect is the best game i've ever played.... btw baldurs gate is on xbox.

Most ignorant statement ever.

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#24 PAL360
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KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect... These games were all highly mediocre. It's sad that Bioware left PC and decided to develop for Xbox because they no longer make masterpieces like Baldur's Gate...

Anyone else miss the old Bioware that made awesome games?

TheMysticHorse

lol...greatone!! now lets talk seriously!!!!

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#25 StealthedRogue
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I have half a mind to find out where you live and beat the hell out of you for calling KOTOR mediocre. That is one of the best RPG's ever.
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#26 shaggyaz
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I do agree with jsde empire being the worst rpg from bioware but I thought it was still avery good game.Mass effect and KOTOR was an amazing game IMO so I dont agree with the statement of bioware being mediocre since they moved to xbox
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#27 LibertySaint
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lol....opinions...mabe its that rpgs are getting higher quality and its hard to keep up? so to some they may seem, but they aren't....lol they are great quality, mabe no crysis or witcher for options and graphics, but they are great games that bioware makes....wait for dragon age,me2 and etc :) fall out 3 will be the next great rpg, age of conan will be the next great mmorpg, but then they will both be trumped by biowares, kotr mmorpg and dragon age.
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#28 jethrovegas
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Which is why KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time I suppose...
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#29 TheMysticHorse
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Which is why KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time I suppose...jethrovegas
Xbox standards for RPGs are so low, all RPGs released on the system get overrated by 2 or 3 points.
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#30 Ninja-Vox
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KOTOR and Mass Effect are two of the best RPGs ever made. :|
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#31 mjarantilla
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Which is why KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time I suppose...jethrovegas

The fact that it's higher rated than BGII should make reviews suspect. While I loved KotOR, it's not half the game BGII was.

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[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Which is why KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time I suppose...TheMysticHorse
Xbox standards for RPGs are so low, all RPGs released on the system get overrated by 2 or 3 points.

Why did it get game of the year then? :|

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#33 Verge_6
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Ignore this thread, folks. It's another 'I like old stuff and will trash new stuff because it's cool'.
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#34 TheMysticHorse
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[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Which is why KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time I suppose...Ninja-Vox

Xbox standards for RPGs are so low, all RPGs released on the system get overrated by 2 or 3 points.

Why did it get game of the year then? :|

Zelda Wind Waker got Game of the Year. KOTOR was pity AAA'd and then nominated for GOTY out of further pity.
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[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Which is why KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time I suppose...TheMysticHorse
Xbox standards for RPGs are so low, all RPGs released on the system get overrated by 2 or 3 points.

...err according the gamerankings KOTOR on the xbox is the best RPG ever made....

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

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#36 saolin323
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KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect... These games were all highly mediocre. It's sad that Bioware left PC and decided to develop for Xbox because they no longer make masterpieces like Baldur's Gate...

Anyone else miss the old Bioware that made awesome games?

TheMysticHorse

Kotor and Mass Effect are ... mediocre ????????? Will comeone CLOSE THAT THREAD PLEASE ?

And i report the TC for trolling, bashing xbox360 and some stunning games too

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#37 TheMysticHorse
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[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Which is why KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time I suppose...UnknownSniper65

Xbox standards for RPGs are so low, all RPGs released on the system get overrated by 2 or 3 points.

...err according the gamerankings KOTOR on the xbox is the best RPG ever made....

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

Only because other RPGs were rated at much higher standards. Xbox has really low standards for RPGs and you'd have to knock at least 1 or 2 points off the score before comparing it to PC and PS2 RPGs.
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#38 PBSnipes
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Guys don't feed the trolls.
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#39 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Which is why KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time I suppose...TheMysticHorse

Xbox standards for RPGs are so low, all RPGs released on the system get overrated by 2 or 3 points.

...err according the gamerankings KOTOR on the xbox is the best RPG ever made....

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

Only because other RPGs were rated at much higher standards. Xbox has really low standards for RPGs and you'd have to knock at least 1 or 2 points off the score before comparing it to PC and PS2 RPGs.

Ah, you want attention. I see now.

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#40 astiop
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Which is why KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time I suppose...TheMysticHorse

Xbox standards for RPGs are so low, all RPGs released on the system get overrated by 2 or 3 points.

Why did it get game of the year then? :|

Zelda Wind Waker got Game of the Year. KOTOR was pity AAA'd and then nominated for GOTY out of further pity.

Yet it got 40+ gotys. All pity awards I assume? Highest rated rpg ever, out of pity right? You didn't like it, too bad. The game was amazing.

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#41 DAZZER7
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Now, I'm only asking.....has your opinion of bioware as developers in recent years have anything to do with them working with Microsoft?

I, like many other regard Bioware very highly. Not, as you would say mediocre. But you're fully entitled to your opinion.

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#42 Panzer_Zwei
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[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Which is why KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time I suppose...mjarantilla

The fact that it's higher rated than BGII should make reviews suspect. While I loved KotOR, it's not half the game BGII was.

Agreed.
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#43 TheMysticHorse
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[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Which is why KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time I suppose...astiop

Xbox standards for RPGs are so low, all RPGs released on the system get overrated by 2 or 3 points.

Why did it get game of the year then? :|

Zelda Wind Waker got Game of the Year. KOTOR was pity AAA'd and then nominated for GOTY out of further pity.

Yet it got 40+ gotys. All pity awards I assume? Highest rated rpg ever, out of pity right? You didn't like it, too bad. The game was amazing.

All pity, yes. Xbox had a terrible games library throughout its life, and when a game that was not completely broken came along, it got tons of awards just because.
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#45 astiop
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All pity, yes. Xbox had a terrible games library throughout its life, and when a game that was not completely broken came along, it got tons of awards just because.TheMysticHorse

Right, ofcourse. How come they didn't rate it low on the pc? I mean, considering that the pc always has the best lineup they wouldn't have to give it high scores out of pity, no?

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[QUOTE="astiop"][QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Which is why KOTOR is the highest rated RPG of all time I suppose...TheMysticHorse

Xbox standards for RPGs are so low, all RPGs released on the system get overrated by 2 or 3 points.

Why did it get game of the year then? :|

Zelda Wind Waker got Game of the Year. KOTOR was pity AAA'd and then nominated for GOTY out of further pity.

Yet it got 40+ gotys. All pity awards I assume? Highest rated rpg ever, out of pity right? You didn't like it, too bad. The game was amazing.

All pity, yes. Xbox had a terrible games library throughout its life, and when a game that was not completely broken came along, it got tons of awards just because.

wow, thanks for your completely baseless opinion. excuse me while i go play through Mass Effect a second time, because its that awesome.

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KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect... These games were all highly mediocre. It's sad that Bioware left PC and decided to develop for Xbox because they no longer make masterpieces like Baldur's Gate...

Anyone else miss the old Bioware that made awesome games?

TheMysticHorse

I didn't think KOTOR and Jade Empire were mediocre. I think it's just you.

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#48 TheMysticHorse
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[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"] All pity, yes. Xbox had a terrible games library throughout its life, and when a game that was not completely broken came along, it got tons of awards just because.astiop

Right, ofcourse. How come they didn't rate it low on the pc? I mean, considering that the pc always has the best lineup they wouldn't have to give it high scores out of pity, no?

Obviously so the sites could pretend their integrity was still in check.
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#49 clone01
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[QUOTE="astiop"]

[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"] All pity, yes. Xbox had a terrible games library throughout its life, and when a game that was not completely broken came along, it got tons of awards just because.TheMysticHorse

Right, ofcourse. How come they didn't rate it low on the pc? I mean, considering that the pc always has the best lineup they wouldn't have to give it high scores out of pity, no?

Obviously so the sites could pretend their integrity was still in check.

This has to be the Hermit quote of the day.

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knights of the old republic is amung the best games i've ever played in my life. btw according to reviews, xboox version > pc version....just so you know