All Of LAIR's reviews so far - Lemmings, grip onto something else

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#1 RazMaTaz-1
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LAIR has got multiple reviews till date

EGM ---5.5 (6 ,5.5 ,5.0)

PLAY UK --9.0

GAMEZONE --9.0

EDGE ---9.0 (LEAKED . the paparback magazine would be out in a few days)

GAMEPRO --7.5 (praised everything except the controls)

EGM tends to be harsh with reviews, and this can be proven by Blue Dragons score.

Gamepro praised the game but the down fall was only the controls.

Lemmings, no use being hypocritical now. You are using 1 review to make many people assume Lair is a flop :| Might aswell say Blue Dragon flopped to if you wanna use just 1 review.

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Edge magazine?Game Pro?Lol.They cant review.
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LAIR has got multiple reviews till date

EGM ---5.5 (6 ,5.5 ,5.0)

PLAY UK --9.0

GAMEZONE --9.0

EDGE ---9.0 (LEAKED . the paparback magazine would be out in a few days)

GAMEPRO --7.5 (praised everything except the controls)

EGM tends to be harsh with reviews, and this can be proven by Blue Dragons score.

Gamepro praised the game but the down fall was only the controls.

Lemmings, no use being hypocritical now. You are using 1 review to make many people assume Lair is a flop :| Might aswell say Blue Dragon flopped to if you wanna use just 1 review.

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yes but blue dragon got a 7.5 from egm.

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Geez... That EGM review is harsh... Surprisingly so, actually. Am I correct to assume that usually Gamepro is pretty generous with scores? If so, SW could be in for an interesting time...
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#5 linarite
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If people are unhappy with the controls, you really expect it to score well on here?
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The controls were it's big point. They were the reason the game was delayed (or one of them). So if they dissapoint... That sucks.
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#7 ithilgore2006
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You know, almost everywhere gave Twilight Princess AAA or even a few gave AAAA scores. GS still didn't, and as you so vehemently maintained at that time, only GS's scores count here.
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Geez... That EGM review is harsh... Surprisingly so, actually. Am I correct to assume that usually Gamepro is pretty generous with scores? If so, SW could be in for an interesting time...musicalmac


Well, I've heard that GamePro admitted to basing the review on an unfinished build of Lair.
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Why do cows like to act like the EGM review isn't three different (very low) scores from three different people? That Edge score is impressive if true, though, since they tend to be fairly harsh.
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Geez... That EGM review is harsh... Surprisingly so, actually. Am I correct to assume that usually Gamepro is pretty generous with scores? If so, SW could be in for an interesting time...jonnyt61


Well, I've heard that GamePro admitted to basing the review on an unfinished build of Lair.

I guess my next question would be, how can a gaming magazine honestly base a review on an unfinished product? That seems fishy to me. The only truly reputable source up there (that I take stock in) is EGM, because I appreciate harsh reviews. Mythical dragons have never been good for making quality products (be it movie, tv, or games)... This prophecy I foretold many moons ago... In EGM's mind- that came true.
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Edge magazine?Game Pro?Lol.They cant review.terdoo

EDGE is one of the best gaming magazines out there. :?

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Gamezone and Edge gave Red Steel good reviews. Sorry I don't trust them one bit.

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#13 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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I agree that all of this is premature. I give more value to the Gamespot review. Just wait and see people.
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#14 deathtrap90
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Play doesn't do a good job reviewing either,Bullet witch score for reference.
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[QUOTE="jonnyt61"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Geez... That EGM review is harsh... Surprisingly so, actually. Am I correct to assume that usually Gamepro is pretty generous with scores? If so, SW could be in for an interesting time...musicalmac


Well, I've heard that GamePro admitted to basing the review on an unfinished build of Lair.

I guess my next question would be, how can a gaming magazine honestly base a review on an unfinished product? That seems fishy to me.

While it isn't the final version, it's a review copy provided by Factor 5 to GamePro. Minor changes have been made since then, but they aren't major enough to change the game as a whole. For example, a developer detailed on his blog one of the biggest changes they made since the review copy was sent out. That change? They made the grass look better.

That's the kind of changes they made. Not major control changes or such. And unless GamePro took issue with the grass in the game, I'd say their review still holds up.

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#16 RazMaTaz-1
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[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

LAIR has got multiple reviews till date

EGM ---5.5 (6 ,5.5 ,5.0)

PLAY UK --9.0

GAMEZONE --9.0

EDGE ---9.0 (LEAKED . the paparback magazine would be out in a few days)

GAMEPRO --7.5 (praised everything except the controls)

EGM tends to be harsh with reviews, and this can be proven by Blue Dragons score.

Gamepro praised the game but the down fall was only the controls.

Lemmings, no use being hypocritical now. You are using 1 review to make many people assume Lair is a flop :| Might aswell say Blue Dragon flopped to if you wanna use just 1 review.

supersaiyan039

yes but blue dragon got a 7.5 from egm.

yeah...dunno if you noticed, but thats not a great score :roll:

Some of the reviews are not even based of the final build, for all we know, they could be adding the normalcontrols as we talk.

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While it isn't the final version, it's a review copy provided by Factor 5 to GamePro. Minor changes have been made since then, but they aren't major enough to change the game as a whole. For example, a developer detailed on his blog one of the biggest changes they made since the review copy was sent out. That change? They made the grass look better.

That's the kind of changes they made. Not major control changes or such. And unless GamePro took issue with the grass in the game, I'd say their review still holds up.

Hoffgod
That's making sense to me. I was thinking this same thing.
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I agree that all of this is premature. I give more value to the Gamespot review. Just wait and see people.sonicare

Leave it to the guy with Planescape in his signature to bring some logic.

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[QUOTE="jonnyt61"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Geez... That EGM review is harsh... Surprisingly so, actually. Am I correct to assume that usually Gamepro is pretty generous with scores? If so, SW could be in for an interesting time...musicalmac


Well, I've heard that GamePro admitted to basing the review on an unfinished build of Lair.

I guess my next question would be, how can a gaming magazine honestly base a review on an unfinished product? That seems fishy to me. The only truly reputable source up there (that I take stock in) is EGM, because I appreciate harsh reviews. Mythical dragons have never been good for making quality products (be it movie, tv, or games)... This prophecy I foretold many moons ago... In EGM's mind- that came true.



Yeaa, I'd agree with you normally. But it also seems just as unlikely to randomly say it was based on an unfinished build, if it wasn't in some way. No smoke without fire, kind of thing. However, I don't have any proof to it, I'm going from what I thought to be generally accepted
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Yeah, Lemmings are the only ones who try to use reviews from other sites. :roll:
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Those two 9's are still rumors and I think the one from Edge was debunked.
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The most important review on that list is Gamepro. Gamepro gives even the most half-assed games 5/5. They gave the Getaway a 5/5 back in the day.

If Gamepro is willing to overlook their automatic 5/5 policy for Lair, then I would be surprised if it got AAA or even AA status here on GS.

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come on...this is gamespot system wars not any of the others...the rules of sw say only gs scores count
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Gamespot was the only site to flop Zelda. If there's a problem with the game that hurts its gameplay, Gamespot will dock the score, guranteed.
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Gamespot was the only site to flop Zelda. If there's a problem with the game that hurts its gameplay, Gamespot will dock the score, guranteed.Michael85

why didn't you read my myth thread? :(

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#26 FrenziedRaldo24
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Lemmings trying to claim ownage over EGM's Lair scores, Cows trying to claim ownage over Blue Dragon's EGM scores...

Must be VERY slim pickings for the Next-Gen fanboys. I feel for you...

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[QUOTE="Michael85"]Gamespot was the only site to flop Zelda. If there's a problem with the game that hurts its gameplay, Gamespot will dock the score, guranteed.CaseyWegner

why didn't you read my myth thread? :(

The one that said Zelda wasn't a flop? I did. I'm trying to speak on system wars' argumentative level.

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come on...this is gamespot system wars not any of the others...the rules of sw say only gs scores countKevanio
Only within the meta-game, though. This is more than that. It's not just the never-ending quest for ownage, but it's also influencing peoples purchasing decisions.
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Gamespot was the only site to flop Zelda. If there's a problem with the game that hurts its gameplay, Gamespot will dock the score, guranteed.Michael85

why didn't you read my myth thread? :(

The one that said Zelda wasn't a flop? I did. I'm trying to speak on system wars' argumentative level.

no. that wasn't in there. :(

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[QUOTE="Michael85"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Gamespot was the only site to flop Zelda. If there's a problem with the game that hurts its gameplay, Gamespot will dock the score, guranteed.CaseyWegner

why didn't you read my myth thread? :(

The one that said Zelda wasn't a flop? I did. I'm trying to speak on system wars' argumentative level.

no. that wasn't in there. :(

So what'd I say that was wrong?

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Gamespot was the only site to flop Zelda. If there's a problem with the game that hurts its gameplay, Gamespot will dock the score, guranteed.Michael85

why didn't you read my myth thread? :(

The one that said Zelda wasn't a flop? I did. I'm trying to speak on system wars' argumentative level.

There were about 3 other sites (out of about 40, mind) that also flopped TP, GS wasn't even the lowest score, I thni ka seven was.
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Gamespot was the only site to flop Zelda. If there's a problem with the game that hurts its gameplay, Gamespot will dock the score, guranteed.Michael85

why didn't you read my myth thread? :(

The one that said Zelda wasn't a flop? I did. I'm trying to speak on system wars' argumentative level.

No, The one that said it is and always will be a flop..GS isn't the only one who thinks so..Get over it..It flopped and is a flop, your whining wont change that.
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Edge magazine?Game Pro?Lol.They cant review.terdoo

No Kidding, the three sites no one has heard of gave it high scores and the two that people have heard of EGM and Gamepro gave it low scores. Hmmm! what does that tell you.

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how can you say the only thing they were disappointed in was the controls, last time i checked the controls were how you played the game. Therefore if a game has bad controls i fail to see how it can be a good game:|
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#35 DireToad
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None of this matters until GS reviews it.

And if we're lucky, maybe we'll have that review in the week following Lair's release. :lol:
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So what'd I say that was wrong?

Michael85

gamespot was one of ten sources to rate it below AAA and gs wasn's even the lowest score.

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I'll wait fo the only to sites I trust the reviews : IGN and Gamespot. The others doesn't even interest me.

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IGN and GS are the only 2 sites who's reviews i actually pay attention to.

But still, EGM's reviews, that sure sparked a lot of bashing.

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LAIR has got multiple reviews till date

EGM ---5.5 (6 ,5.5 ,5.0)

PLAY UK --9.0

GAMEZONE --9.0

EDGE ---9.0 (LEAKED . the paparback magazine would be out in a few days)

GAMEPRO --7.5 (praised everything except the controls)

EGM tends to be harsh with reviews, and this can be proven by Blue Dragons score.

Gamepro praised the game but the down fall was only the controls.

Lemmings, no use being hypocritical now. You are using 1 review to make many people assume Lair is a flop :| Might aswell say Blue Dragon flopped to if you wanna use just 1 review.

RazMaTaz-1

The only confirmed reviews are Gamepro and Play. Controls are a big deciding factor in a game's scoring, so if controls are criticized that doesn't bode well. Gamepro is usually quite a generous scorer, as well.

Also, Play Magazine gave Red Steel a good score, so I don't trust their reviews.

We're left with one mediocre score from a generous publication and a good score from a publication that gave a bad game a good score. It's not looking too good, but then again neither are good sources and it's only two reviews.