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Now we all know Sony's first party games have the most cut scenes of any publisher, and with the announcement that voice actors are going on strike after negotiations have broken down after 18 months for job protection. It would seem Sony's games more than any others are going to get delayed even further.

Maybe it's time for the whole industry to go back to making smaller games.

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Poo cows just can't catch a break these dayzz. lol :P

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I'm playing Alpha Protocol right now for the first time and it is a more entertaining game than anything I've played this generation.... It also has glaring flaws, but I'd take the ideas present in this game over another big budget Spiderman, halo or uncharted any day of the week, twice on Sunday.

Smaller games doesn't mean less entertaining... In many cases it means more entertaining.

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@TheEroica: But is it at least 10 hours long?🫠

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@TheEroica said:

I'm playing Alpha Protocol right now for the first time and it is a more entertaining game than anything I've played this generation.... It also has glaring flaws, but I'd take the ideas present in this game over another big budget Spiderman, halo or uncharted any day of the week, twice on Sunday.

Smaller games doesn't mean less entertaining... In many cases it means more entertaining.

Oh, I LOVED that game. It has an underrated gem. Sure it was buggy, but the story, and the choices behind it, combat, and replayability made me Beat it over 10+ times.

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Just get rid of voice actors. Problem solved. I find myself skipping all cut.scenes nowadays anyways.

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#7 Pedro
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Sony sure hates when gamers can play their game.😂

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@Chutebox said:

Just get rid of voice actors. Problem solved. I find myself skipping all cut.scenes nowadays anyways.

They can't get rid of cutscenses, it's Sony have you forgot?

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@shadowsentiel said:
@TheEroica said:

I'm playing Alpha Protocol right now for the first time and it is a more entertaining game than anything I've played this generation.... It also has glaring flaws, but I'd take the ideas present in this game over another big budget Spiderman, halo or uncharted any day of the week, twice on Sunday.

Smaller games doesn't mean less entertaining... In many cases it means more entertaining.

Oh, I LOVED that game. It has an underrated gem. Sure it was buggy, but the story, and the choices behind it, combat, and replayability made me Beat it over 10+ times.

Already can't wait to replay it and make different choices. How can we arrive at more Spidermans and assassin's creeds but leave gameplay ideas found in games like this behind? It really makes me believe that game designers have extremely low opinions of what we want out of games. It's as if we are thought of as drooling fools who will play anything and shut up about it.

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@TheEroica said:
@shadowsentiel said:
@TheEroica said:

I'm playing Alpha Protocol right now for the first time and it is a more entertaining game than anything I've played this generation.... It also has glaring flaws, but I'd take the ideas present in this game over another big budget Spiderman, halo or uncharted any day of the week, twice on Sunday.

Smaller games doesn't mean less entertaining... In many cases it means more entertaining.

Oh, I LOVED that game. It has an underrated gem. Sure it was buggy, but the story, and the choices behind it, combat, and replayability made me Beat it over 10+ times.

Already can't wait to replay it and make different choices. How can we arrive at more Spidermans and assassin's creeds but leave gameplay ideas found in games like this behind? It really makes me believe that game designers have extremely low opinions of what we want out of games. It's as if we are thought of as drooling fools who will play anything and shut up about it.

I DL'ed the game but have yet to give it a whirl. With what I'm reading here, I think I'll get to it this weekend. ;)

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@TheEroica said:

Already can't wait to replay it and make different choices. How can we arrive at more Spidermans and assassin's creeds but leave gameplay ideas found in games like this behind? It really makes me believe that game designers have extremely low opinions of what we want out of games. It's as if we are thought of as drooling fools who will play anything and shut up about it.

Gamers will play anything and shut up with the right level of influence.😊

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@SecretPolice: Hope you enjoy it, man. :) Have fun!

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#13  Edited By lamprey263
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Well, the first party has been in a state of disarray given the last few months of reporting, from being overly committed to GaaS to canning a number of them, takes time to get new projects on their feet, not to mention the layoffs reported across their ranks. But that's all okay with PS die-hards, as long as it sells more than Xbox that's just dandy. And if consumers will choose PlayStation over Xbox despite this lacking of first party titles, why should Sony leadership see the need to do much to remedy the situation?

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@SecretPolice said:
@TheEroica said:
@shadowsentiel said:
@TheEroica said:

I'm playing Alpha Protocol right now for the first time and it is a more entertaining game than anything I've played this generation.... It also has glaring flaws, but I'd take the ideas present in this game over another big budget Spiderman, halo or uncharted any day of the week, twice on Sunday.

Smaller games doesn't mean less entertaining... In many cases it means more entertaining.

Oh, I LOVED that game. It has an underrated gem. Sure it was buggy, but the story, and the choices behind it, combat, and replayability made me Beat it over 10+ times.

Already can't wait to replay it and make different choices. How can we arrive at more Spidermans and assassin's creeds but leave gameplay ideas found in games like this behind? It really makes me believe that game designers have extremely low opinions of what we want out of games. It's as if we are thought of as drooling fools who will play anything and shut up about it.

I DL'ed the game but have yet to give it a whirl. With what I'm reading here, I think I'll get to it this weekend. ;)

Pro tip... Level up your pistol regardless of what style you want to play. I'm a stealth guy approach but pack enough punch to deal with raising an alarm. The pistols skill allows you to freeze time and pick off up to 6 guys in one moment... (think dead eye mode in rdr) The skill regenerates Like mass effect cool down and readies you to use it again. Whether you're run and gun or stealth it's insanely helpful.

Also, don't worry too much about "reloading" a checkpoint because you raised an alarm. It's not really scoring you on that. If you stealth but the sh*it goes down just enjoy the gunplay and skill perks the way you did in mass effect.

The dialog parts are soooo fun. It's like next level dialog because you only have a moment to chose and you need to read the person to see what kinds of responses resonate with them to build a relationship positive....AND sometimes building relationships in the bad direction offers different perks! Brilliant! Annnnnd you get to do romancing like a James bond commander Shepard. It's awesome.

Honestly, I was about 2 hours in shaking my damn head going "why did I have to go in the past by more than a decade to play the ideas in this game laid out like this? Wtf...."

Truly a hidden gem you will love SP💎🤘

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@Pedro said:
@TheEroica said:

Already can't wait to replay it and make different choices. How can we arrive at more Spidermans and assassin's creeds but leave gameplay ideas found in games like this behind? It really makes me believe that game designers have extremely low opinions of what we want out of games. It's as if we are thought of as drooling fools who will play anything and shut up about it.

Gamers will play anything and shut up with the right level of influence.😊

You are not wrong. The behavior is on display constantly. Cheers to the Devs making games that go beyond the veil of preschool engagement.

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So a thread based on somebody's opinion is based as fact then? Where is the link to Sony announcing these delays then or are we allowed to just make things up these days? Maybe if you are a friend of the moderators eh?

It is a good job that the PS has a decent amount of good games coming to it and their games don't really matter. On top of a good library.

Total non-thread until we get a link.

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the strike is a joke.

am guessing you did not research it on the matter before makikng the thread.

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LOL at Sony for making games with cutscenes....wait, didn't Hellblade 2 just come out? Isn't Indiana Jones coming out soon? The cherry picking around here is hilarious

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Next PS game on my radar is R&C in 2029 🤷

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@jcafcwbb said:

So a thread based on somebody's opinion is based as fact then? Where is the link to Sony announcing these delays then or are we allowed to just make things up these days? Maybe if you are a friend of the moderators eh?

It is a good job that the PS has a decent amount of good games coming to it and their games don't really matter. On top of a good library.

Total non-thread until we get a link.

At least 90% of Sony's games have over 7hrs of cutscenes, and that Sony is the main dev that uses the most voice actors, we don't need links to state the obvious.

If you want proof go to Youtube and type in Sony game name and cinematics and you will find just about every game and their cutscenes, and then take a look at the time they take.

Now stop your crying over this. And here i'll give you a head start on those 7hr cutscenes

Loading Video...

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@satorihanzo said:

LOL at Sony for making games with cutscenes....wait, didn't Hellblade 2 just come out? Isn't Indiana Jones coming out soon? The cherry picking around here is hilarious

Cherry picking? maybe you need to read the OP again.

I said Sony is the worst offender, not they were the only one, and secondly I said maybe the whole industry should go back to making smaller games. And lastly and more importantly it's System Wars, so you gotta make it spicey.

Glad I could help you out.

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@last_lap said:
@jcafcwbb said:

So a thread based on somebody's opinion is based as fact then? Where is the link to Sony announcing these delays then or are we allowed to just make things up these days? Maybe if you are a friend of the moderators eh?

It is a good job that the PS has a decent amount of good games coming to it and their games don't really matter. On top of a good library.

Total non-thread until we get a link.

At least 90% of Sony's games have over 7hrs of cutscenes, and that Sony is the main dev that uses the most voice actors, we don't need links to state the obvious.

If you want proof go to Youtube and type in Sony game name and cinematics and you will find just about every game and their cutscenes, and then take a look at the time they take.

Now stop your crying over this. And here i'll give you a head start on those 7hr cutscenes

Loading Video...

7 hours of half baked video game story cutscenes is time theft....

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Damn Sony WTF you doing over there?

@TheEroica said:
@SecretPolice said:
@TheEroica said:
@shadowsentiel said:
@TheEroica said:

I'm playing Alpha Protocol right now for the first time and it is a more entertaining game than anything I've played this generation.... It also has glaring flaws, but I'd take the ideas present in this game over another big budget Spiderman, halo or uncharted any day of the week, twice on Sunday.

Smaller games doesn't mean less entertaining... In many cases it means more entertaining.

Oh, I LOVED that game. It has an underrated gem. Sure it was buggy, but the story, and the choices behind it, combat, and replayability made me Beat it over 10+ times.

Already can't wait to replay it and make different choices. How can we arrive at more Spidermans and assassin's creeds but leave gameplay ideas found in games like this behind? It really makes me believe that game designers have extremely low opinions of what we want out of games. It's as if we are thought of as drooling fools who will play anything and shut up about it.

I DL'ed the game but have yet to give it a whirl. With what I'm reading here, I think I'll get to it this weekend. ;)

Pro tip... Level up your pistol regardless of what style you want to play. I'm a stealth guy approach but pack enough punch to deal with raising an alarm. The pistols skill allows you to freeze time and pick off up to 6 guys in one moment... (think dead eye mode in rdr) The skill regenerates Like mass effect cool down and readies you to use it again. Whether you're run and gun or stealth it's insanely helpful.

Also, don't worry too much about "reloading" a checkpoint because you raised an alarm. It's not really scoring you on that. If you stealth but the sh*it goes down just enjoy the gunplay and skill perks the way you did in mass effect.

The dialog parts are soooo fun. It's like next level dialog because you only have a moment to chose and you need to read the person to see what kinds of responses resonate with them to build a relationship positive....AND sometimes building relationships in the bad direction offers different perks! Brilliant! Annnnnd you get to do romancing like a James bond commander Shepard. It's awesome.

Honestly, I was about 2 hours in shaking my damn head going "why did I have to go in the past by more than a decade to play the ideas in this game laid out like this? Wtf...."

Truly a hidden gem you will love SP💎🤘

Hands down one of my favorite games.

**** it, I'm playing it now. It's settled.

I'll go the pistol route this time :D

I love how this Sony bashing thread is now an Alpha Protocol appreciation thread :)

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@mrbojangles25: we should only talk about games that nail it from now on....

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@TheEroica said:
@last_lap said:
@jcafcwbb said:

So a thread based on somebody's opinion is based as fact then? Where is the link to Sony announcing these delays then or are we allowed to just make things up these days? Maybe if you are a friend of the moderators eh?

It is a good job that the PS has a decent amount of good games coming to it and their games don't really matter. On top of a good library.

Total non-thread until we get a link.

At least 90% of Sony's games have over 7hrs of cutscenes, and that Sony is the main dev that uses the most voice actors, we don't need links to state the obvious.

If you want proof go to Youtube and type in Sony game name and cinematics and you will find just about every game and their cutscenes, and then take a look at the time they take.

Now stop your crying over this. And here i'll give you a head start on those 7hr cutscenes

Loading Video...

7 hours of half baked video game story cutscenes is time theft....

Yes, to normal folks, but prime gameplay to cows 🤣

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@Chutebox: Voice actors will be all but gone within 10 years due to AI anyways..

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#27  Edited By Last_Lap
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@last_lap: @mrbojangles25: No we can't turn this into an Alpha Protocol appreciation thread, but I will show some love too from my collection.

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@last_lap: I admit it brings a smile to my face to see an older game in tangible form (and in good condition, too!).

Just spent an hour or so with it. The game looks surprisingly good for how old it is. I'm also seeing a lot of similar UI aesthetic choices that I saw in The Outer Worlds.

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@mrbojangles25: I don't know how buggy it is on pc, but just like Obsidians Fallout NV on 360, it's very buggy on console too.

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#30  Edited By pmanden
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I didn't know that Sony was still making games? :)

Anyway, LastLap does have a point about making smaller games with less cut scenes and voice acting. Recently, I played Bloodstained Ritual of the Night, Broforce and Octopath Traveler. Three very fun, old school games with no 7-hour fancy cutscenes or advanced graphics. Just games that ARE actually games. I am getting tired of cutscenes.

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@WitIsWisdom said:

@Chutebox: Voice actors will be all but gone within 10 years due to AI anyways..

Then they'll have to find a way to make them not sound so...robotic, you know. But motion caption isn't gonna be replaced. At least not that soon.

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@pmanden said:

I didn't know that Sony was still making games? :)

Anyway, LastLap does have a point about making smaller games with less cut scenes and voice acting. Recently, I played Bloodstained Ritual of the Night, Broforce and Octopath Traveler. Three very fun, old school games with no 7-hour fancy cutscenes or advanced graphics. Just games that ARE actually games. I am getting tired of cutscenes.

I'm also getting tired of cutscenes, they need to stop neglecting the "game' part in video games.

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All the cows seem to be hiding from this thread.

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Things are so bad that thread shifted to an Xbox game.😂

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@last_lap: TBH I didn't buy a PS to play Sony games.

Haven't bought Spiderman 2 or Morales, Ragnorak or Horizon Forbidden West. Not bothered by them either.

My favourite game is Football Manager 24 (soon to be 25) which has zero cut scenes. Also looking forward to Metaphor Refantazio.

As I said in the other thread I will be looking to what the handhelds and mini-PCs offer me in 2026. Xbox and Playstation are both dead consoles. Needed them to play certain games but that is no longer the case. You have to be crazy to buy either of those two next gen.

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Its why Sony is partnering with 3rd party studios. Not that I care much tbh in Sony list of 1st/2nd/3rd party studios I only need Death Stranding 2 and whatever Bloodborne sequel.

A new jrpg would be nice, Sony really should just pay some jrpg studio in japan to make AAA jrpg. not like they cost much those jrpg they currently make barely sells I'm sure they accept lowest offer.

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@pmanden: Games don't need to be smaller. We just don't need endless cut scenes in every game. So much money wasted on cut scenes and voice actors, things that have zero impact on gameplay.

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@Chutebox said:

@pmanden: Games don't need to be smaller. We just don't need endless cut scenes in every game. So much money wasted on cut scenes and voice actors, things that have zero impact on gameplay.

You can thank for TLOU games and I'll admit, I really like the games, but they've overstayed their welcome. We do need more gameplay from Sony. At least Astrobot is a good start, but this isn't saying much, coming from me.

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@davillain: I skipped 98% of the cutscenes in 2 😁

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A Sony game without intrusive and numerous cutscenes...😂 Probably Astrobot has a fighting chance.

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@jcafcwbb said:

@last_lap: TBH I didn't buy a PS to play Sony games.

Haven't bought Spiderman 2 or Morales, Ragnorak or Horizon Forbidden West. Not bothered by them either.

My favourite game is Football Manager 24 (soon to be 25) which has zero cut scenes. Also looking forward to Metaphor Refantazio.

As I said in the other thread I will be looking to what the handhelds and mini-PCs offer me in 2026. Xbox and Playstation are both dead consoles. Needed them to play certain games but that is no longer the case. You have to be crazy to buy either of those two next gen.

Then why are you crying then?

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@shadowsentiel: In my opinion motion capture might even go first. AI is self learning and in just 2 or 3 years the technology has increased several times over (it still struggles a bit with fingers and things like that, but in just over a year we went from seeing Will Smith eating spaghetti and looking as though he was eating his hand, to having videos and pictures win film and photography contests..).

Free apps these days are absolutely mind blowing where as they were barely drawing stick figures or putting a coherent sentence together not long ago. Now we have apps producing fully voiced songs of any genre, writing books, checking taxes, programming playable games from voice command, search engines are nearly entirerely AI now, almost every new major app uses AI, and the ones with the most to lose are asking for legislation for the love of god.. lol.

This is a LOT closer than most people think.

The thing is, as AI increases it will only ever get faster (yes it will increase at a faster pace each and every week) and right now we are at a point that is already borderline concerning. I would not be the least bit surprised if this happens even faster than I thought at this point (which was originally about 25 to 50 years). Human labor is becoming less and less important and industries all over the world are "restructuring" amid record profits.

It's funny no one seems to understand the reasons CEOs paychecks keep going up and employees keep getting fired is BECAUSE of AI taking jobs and then doing that job for a minimum upkeep which in turn makes the big dogs more money.

The song In the year 2525 comes to mind, here we are in 2024 and some of the richest people in the world went from thinking this was a fun novelty to being frightened, and the general public went from being skeptics to discussing the ramifications (which is quite unbelievable in the cess pools of lower intelligence that is the majority of the internet)... in some cases even completely shutting down projects into the billions. It won't be long until AI is implemented in everything we see, do, hear, and process in majority.

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#43 SargentD
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@TheEroica said:

I'm playing Alpha Protocol right now for the first time and it is a more entertaining game than anything I've played this generation.... It also has glaring flaws, but I'd take the ideas present in this game over another big budget Spiderman, halo or uncharted any day of the week, twice on Sunday.

Smaller games doesn't mean less entertaining... In many cases it means more entertaining.

Yup

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#44 shadowsentiel
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@WitIsWisdom said:

@shadowsentiel: In my opinion motion capture might even go first. AI is self learning and in just 2 or 3 years the technology has increased several times over (it still struggles a bit with fingers and things like that, but in just over a year we went from seeing Will Smith eating spaghetti and looking as though he was eating his hand, to having videos and pictures win film and photography contests..).

Free apps these days are absolutely mind blowing where as they were barely drawing stick figures or putting a coherent sentence together not long ago. Now we have apps producing fully voiced songs of any genre, writing books, checking taxes, programming playable games from voice command, search engines are nearly entirerely AI now, almost every new major app uses AI, and the ones with the most to lose are asking for legislation for the love of god.. lol.

This is a LOT closer than most people think.

The thing is, as AI increases it will only ever get faster (yes it will increase at a faster pace each and every week) and right now we are at a point that is already borderline concerning. I would not be the least bit surprised if this happens even faster than I thought at this point (which was originally about 25 to 50 years). Human labor is becoming less and less important and industries all over the world are "restructuring" amid record profits.

It's funny no one seems to understand the reasons CEOs paychecks keep going up and employees keep getting fired is BECAUSE of AI taking jobs and then doing that job for a minimum upkeep which in turn makes the big dogs more money.

The song In the year 2525 comes to mind, here we are in 2024 and some of the richest people in the world went from thinking this was a fun novelty to being frightened, and the general public went from being skeptics to discussing the ramifications (which is quite unbelievable in the cess pools of lower intelligence that is the majority of the internet)... in some cases even completely shutting down projects into the billions. It won't be long until AI is implemented in everything we see, do, hear, and process in majority.

I wonder if humans ever get to the Point where they don't have to do anything themselves. And Robots can just do everything for them, lol. No wait that can't happen, I forgot people need to go to the toilet.

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@shadowsentiel: Yeah, there can probably never be a full on replacement of everything humans do (5 percent perhaps)... unless they eventually find us redundant and no longer care to provide for us as a near useless species (in comparison).

AI is already at the point of no return, but unlike Terminator with one company to watch put for... there are hundreds if not thousands to deal with, and each one is competing with the other to push the boundaries as far as possible.

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@last_lap said:
@satorihanzo said:

LOL at Sony for making games with cutscenes....wait, didn't Hellblade 2 just come out? Isn't Indiana Jones coming out soon? The cherry picking around here is hilarious

Cherry picking? maybe you need to read the OP again.

I said Sony is the worst offender, not they were the only one, and secondly I said maybe the whole industry should go back to making smaller games. And lastly and more importantly it's System Wars, so you gotta make it spicey.

Glad I could help you out.

nope this thread was made to attack sony only. so yes cherry picking.

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@gifford38: Re-read my OP giffy.

I clearly state Sony as the main offender because THEY ARE.

I also state the INDUSTRY might want to look at making smaller games.

Stop acting like im insulting your mum & dad as their not Sony nor a PS5.

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#48 Star67
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@pmanden said:

I didn't know that Sony was still making games? :)

Anyway, LastLap does have a point about making smaller games with less cut scenes and voice acting. Recently, I played Bloodstained Ritual of the Night, Broforce and Octopath Traveler. Three very fun, old school games with no 7-hour fancy cutscenes or advanced graphics. Just games that ARE actually games. I am getting tired of cutscenes.

The entire industry needs a correction where AAA studios make AA games that are shorter with more unique gameplay ideas.

At least give the B teams at AAA studios a chance to make an interesting AA game and sell it for $40

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Job protection is always something I can get behind.

I want shorter games, with worse graphics made by people paid more to do less.

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@Pedro: Yep it is