All time low: Bethesda defrauds consumers and gaming press rewards them

Bethesda knowingly ships a broken game that it has no intention of fixing, tries to hide it by only giving reviewers the 360 and PC versions of the game to review, and then the press rewards Bethesda by lavishing awards on Skyrim. And GameSpot once again leads the pack in anti-consumer coperate whoring by not only giving Skyrim GotY, but not even pulling the 9.0 score it gave the PS3 version of Skyrim. Pretty disgusting. I feel like I need to shower in penicillin everytime I come to this site.

The PS3 reviewers got the PS3 version dude, and other then PToM's 7, they all gave it some rave reviews too.

Its broken, but the issue isn't exactly a 100%, unfixable certainty that affects everyone start to finish. Its a random problem lots of people don't even experience once, that has a fix of its own.

Of course not that I care, my only issue was crashing to the desktop on the PC version and a little RAM mod fixed that right up for me :)

The PS3 version plays fine for me.

I would've gone with the 360 version, but I have to reflow the GPU on my 360 every 5 days or so just to get it working.

The PS3 version plays fine for me.

I would've gone with the 360 version, but I have to reflow the GPU on my 360 every 5 days or so just to get it working.

Tikeio

Yikes, I'd just get another one. When my PS3 bricked I had to do it every month or so at best and I just decided to get a new cheap one on black friday, and time is money you know.

I have to admit, I would have liked to have seen Bethesda get raked over the coals for this one. They just can't pretend Skyrim was production-ready on any platform.lowe0

Beta Test of the Year, bro.

Completely agree. They have acted in bad faith, and I will never trust them again.

Welcome to gaming journalism.

Why the hell would you have to make a new account for this though? :?

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I have to admit, I would have liked to have seen Bethesda get raked over the coals for this one. They just can't pretend Skyrim was production-ready on any platform.Lost-Memory

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I have to admit, I would have liked to have seen Bethesda get raked over the coals for this one. They just can't pretend Skyrim was production-ready on any platform.Lost-Memory

You're ridiculous. They knew the game is fundamentally broken yet they still shipped it. We're not talking about an array of minor bugs. The game is fundamentally broken. Why are you apologizing for them?

[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

The PS3 version plays fine for me.

I would've gone with the 360 version, but I have to reflow the GPU on my 360 every 5 days or so just to get it working.

SPYDER0416

Yikes, I'd just get another one. When my PS3 bricked I had to do it every month or so at best and I just decided to get a new cheap one on black friday, and time is money you know.

I had it since '06, and the 3 year free replacement warranty expired in December '09.

Instead of buying another 360, I just bought a PS3 instead. I just felt like trying something new.

I might just buy a reballed replacement 360 on ebay or something though. I see them floating around for about $80 for the console only.

I have to admit, I would have liked to have seen Bethesda get raked over the coals for this one. They just can't pretend Skyrim was production-ready on any platform.lowe0

I don't see why they should cater for the PS3 users when most of their sales is coming from xbox/PC. If ps3 users wanted more attention more of them should have bought the game to make it worthwhile for the developer.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I have to admit, I would have liked to have seen Bethesda get raked over the coals for this one. They just can't pretend Skyrim was production-ready on any platform.Lost-Memory

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I have to admit, I would have liked to have seen Bethesda get raked over the coals for this one. They just can't pretend Skyrim was production-ready on any platform.GD1551

I don't see why they should cater for the PS3 users when most of their sales is coming from xbox/PC. If ps3 users wanted more attention more of them should have bought the game to make it worthwhile for the developer.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I have to admit, I would have liked to have seen Bethesda get raked over the coals for this one. They just can't pretend Skyrim was production-ready on any platform.GD1551

I don't see why they should cater for the PS3 users when most of their sales is coming from xbox/PC. If ps3 users wanted more attention more of them should have bought the game to make it worthwhile for the developer.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I have to admit, I would have liked to have seen Bethesda get raked over the coals for this one. They just can't pretend Skyrim was production-ready on any platform.GD1551

I don't see why they should cater for the PS3 users when most of their sales is coming from xbox/PC. If ps3 users wanted more attention more of them should have bought the game to make it worthwhile for the developer.

Why you should cater to someone whose money you take? If you don't care about a platform don't release on it. It seems to me they care about the money they get from that platform, but they don't care to provide a working product for it ...

[QUOTE="Lost-Memory"][QUOTE="lowe0"]I have to admit, I would have liked to have seen Bethesda get raked over the coals for this one. They just can't pretend Skyrim was production-ready on any platform.lowe0

Yeah I mean, lets be honest. Skyrim is big, it has a big budget, it has a big team, and its got lots of experience going into it. There is no reason a big side quest shouldn't start just because I decided to have a certain companion, and no reason why dragons should randomly not give souls and fly backwards and the game can use up all the RAM in a system that Bethesda knows they were working with.

There are lots of ambitious games. Games like GTA IV with a $100 million budget, Just Cause 2 with a terribly buggy former game, not being a super polished and pretty (if repetitive and unbalanced) huge open world game.

Bethesda should have been able to fix these things, its not like they were rushed on a one year schedule, they had plenty of time and money to get this stuff looked at before release, on ALL platforms.

it's common practice this gen for the industry to give ps3 the shaft. drones just gotta learn to live with it. ;)

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I have to admit, I would have liked to have seen Bethesda get raked over the coals for this one. They just can't pretend Skyrim was production-ready on any platform.GD1551

I don't see why they should cater for the PS3 users when most of their sales is coming from xbox/PC. If ps3 users wanted more attention more of them should have bought the game to make it worthwhile for the developer.

Are you for real? Not defrauding consumers is catering to them? If Beth either couldn't get Skyrim to work adequately on the PS3, or it didn't have the will to do so, fine, don't ship the PS3 version. It's that simple. Instead they knew it was fundamentally broken, they weren't going to fix it, yet they shipped it anyway. That's simple fraud.

And you're apologizing for it in a really slimey way by characterizing the act of not defrauding consumers as catering to them, as if not not wanting to be defrauded is a silly whim. You're ridiculous.

Yawn - game was good - there was a reason why it didn't get awarded GOTY on PS3.Ravensmash

Take off your dumb fanboy googles. I don't own a PS3 and Fallout 3 was my GotY back in 09. This has nothing to do about teens fighting over which console is best because their parents won't buy them all the systems. This is about a company defrauding consumers, and the press sweeping it under the rug so they don't risk losing access.

Both Beth and GameSpot and playing gamers for idiots, and you're so caught up in the dumb console war that you can't see what's right in front of your face.

Best game I've played this year. Ps3 version had it's problems at launch, they have fixed most of them since. Can't wait for Bethesda's next masterpiece.

Game didn't deserve to win GOTY at all because all of the issues I heard that affected it.

I'm honestly surprised that Skyrim won GotY with all of the issues surrounding it. I was expecting Arkham City to win even though I hate the Arkham games. At least they're polished and work.

Best game I've played this year. Ps3 version had it's problems at launch, they have fixed most of them since. Can't wait for Bethesda's next masterpiece.

SkyRaid

The responses in this thread show exactly why Beth and GS can get away with crap like this.

No Beth did not fix the PS3 version. It's still fundamentally broken. They fixed some minor bugs in the course of fixing minor bugs across all three platforms, but they didn't address the memory issue that's caused the PS3 version to be fundamentally broken.

Yet, people keep blaming devs for PS3´s hardware limitations! They clearly tried to please everyone, now they get bashed because some versions are better than others.

Yet, people keep blaming devs for PS3´s hardware limitations! They clearly tried to please everyone, now they get bashed because some versions are better than others.

PAL360

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Yet, people keep blaming devs for PS3´s hardware limitations! They clearly tried to please everyone, now they get bashed because some versions are better than others.

PurpleMan5000

That would have been a fair trade, i agree!

The award doesn't mean the PS3 version is GotY. It doesn't bring down the PC or 360 version.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I have to admit, I would have liked to have seen Bethesda get raked over the coals for this one. They just can't pretend Skyrim was production-ready on any platform.lowe0

I don't see why they should cater for the PS3 users when most of their sales is coming from xbox/PC. If ps3 users wanted more attention more of them should have bought the game to make it worthwhile for the developer.

I'm sorry, but it works well enough on the other platforms, it's only the Ps3 that has any game breaking issues :)

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I have to admit, I would have liked to have seen Bethesda get raked over the coals for this one. They just can't pretend Skyrim was production-ready on any platform.FierceJello

I don't see why they should cater for the PS3 users when most of their sales is coming from xbox/PC. If ps3 users wanted more attention more of them should have bought the game to make it worthwhile for the developer.

Are you for real? Not defrauding consumers is catering to them? If Beth either couldn't get Skyrim to work adequately on the PS3, or it didn't have the will to do so, fine, don't ship the PS3 version. It's that simple. Instead they knew it was fundamentally broken, they weren't going to fix it, yet they shipped it anyway. That's simple fraud.

And you're apologizing for it in a really slimey way by characterizing the act of not defrauding consumers as catering to them, as if not not wanting to be defrauded is a silly whim. You're ridiculous.

It's ok, you don't know where I'm going with this some don't worry about it.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Yawn - game was good - there was a reason why it didn't get awarded GOTY on PS3.FierceJello

Take off your dumb fanboy googles. I don't own a PS3 and Fallout 3 was my GotY back in 09. This has nothing to do about teens fighting over which console is best because their parents won't buy them all the systems. This is about a company defrauding consumers, and the press sweeping it under the rug so they don't risk losing access.

Both Beth and GameSpot and playing gamers for idiots, and you're so caught up in the dumb console war that you can't see what's right in front of your face.

Well TC it this happens on all platforms from time to time, its just a common error in the industry, If a game was supposed to work across all platforms just as well, then GTA4 surely shouldnt have gotten more then an 8 since the PC version was a similar trainwreck. I think the 360 version of FF13 were also pretty abysmal? it happens on all platforms. And the devs usually are able to make improvements.

Well TC it this happens on all platforms from time to time, its just a common error in the industry, If a game was supposed to work across all platforms just as well, then GTA4 surely shouldnt have gotten more then an 8 since the PC version was a similar trainwreck. I think the 360 version of FF13 were also pretty abysmal? it happens on all platforms. And the devs usually are able to make improvements.

Maddie_Larkin

I feel I should point out that the 360 version of FFXIII was fine. I think the PS3 had slightly better textures if I remember correctly. I think that was due to disk size or something.

the base question in all this, against the "bethesda faithful" is: "Do you HONESTLY believe they didn't know about the swarm of bugs in this game?" or "Knowing the problems they have had in the past with the game engine, was it smart to spackle some paint on the same engine and try again?" Seriously, I LOVE skyrim, but it's flawed as hell. Any other games with 1/100 of these bugs would have been reviewed so poorly. Like GTA IV, a game i experienced so many bugs in I stopped playing it altogether, 10/10 score it got here at GS. Classy/Classic. Simple fact is: Bethesda knew how buggy the game was, but still went along with the release to make the "holiday '11" season. So no, its not okay. Just because you like the game doesnt mean its okay for devs to ship knowingly broken ****. Wake up fanboys.dRuGGeRnaUt

My answer to your question is: My copy, so far (100+ hours) has been perfectly fine except for the magic resistance bug that has been patched. GTA 4 also played fine when I owned it for that matter. Wake up, sook.

[QUOTE="Maddie_Larkin"]

Well TC it this happens on all platforms from time to time, its just a common error in the industry, If a game was supposed to work across all platforms just as well, then GTA4 surely shouldnt have gotten more then an 8 since the PC version was a similar trainwreck. I think the 360 version of FF13 were also pretty abysmal? it happens on all platforms. And the devs usually are able to make improvements.

Twin-Blade

I feel I should point out that the 360 version of FFXIII was fine. I think the PS3 had slightly better textures if I remember correctly. I think that was due to disk size or something.

Not entirely. It was due to the fact that the PS3 version was native 720p, while the 360 version was 540p.

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

[QUOTE="Maddie_Larkin"]

Well TC it this happens on all platforms from time to time, its just a common error in the industry, If a game was supposed to work across all platforms just as well, then GTA4 surely shouldnt have gotten more then an 8 since the PC version was a similar trainwreck. I think the 360 version of FF13 were also pretty abysmal? it happens on all platforms. And the devs usually are able to make improvements.

Tikeio

I feel I should point out that the 360 version of FFXIII was fine. I think the PS3 had slightly better textures if I remember correctly. I think that was due to disk size or something.

Not entirely. It was due to the fact that the PS3 version was native 720p, while the 360 version was 540p.

I haven't tried FFXIII on the PS3. Does it look a lot better? I remember some areas looking really nice on the 360. I might have to buy it again for the PS3.

[QUOTE="FierceJello"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Yawn - game was good - there was a reason why it didn't get awarded GOTY on PS3.Ravensmash

Take off your dumb fanboy googles. I don't own a PS3 and Fallout 3 was my GotY back in 09. This has nothing to do about teens fighting over which console is best because their parents won't buy them all the systems. This is about a company defrauding consumers, and the press sweeping it under the rug so they don't risk losing access.

Both Beth and GameSpot and playing gamers for idiots, and you're so caught up in the dumb console war that you can't see what's right in front of your face.

The award doesn't mean the PS3 version is GotY. It doesn't bring down the PC or 360 version.

Twin-Blade

The awards mean it's okay to defraud consumers. Hell we'll even keep that 9 up for the PS3 version. You're still giving us a big exclusive on your next game, right?

I haven't tried FFXIII on the PS3. Does it look a lot better? I remember some areas looking really nice on the 360. I might have to buy it again for the PS3.

Twin-Blade

It's slightly more crisp, has better AA (it's very noticable in the characters' hair) and the FMV cutscenes are native 1080p.That's about it.

There are still flat ground textures intact and pretty much everything else in that was in the 360 version. Well, except for the slight frame rate drops in the Archylte Steppe that was present in the 360 version.

Believe it or not, I actually owned both versions at one point. :P

The PS3 version plays fine for me.

I would've gone with the 360 version, but I have to reflow the GPU on my 360 every 5 days or so just to get it working.

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

I haven't tried FFXIII on the PS3. Does it look a lot better? I remember some areas looking really nice on the 360. I might have to buy it again for the PS3.

It's slightly more crisp, has better AA (it's very noticable in the characters' hair) and the FMV cutscenes are native 1080p.That's about it.

There are still flat ground textures intact and pretty much everything else in that was in the 360 version. Well, except for the slight frame rate drops in the Archylte Steppe that was present in the 360 version.

Believe it or not, I actually owned both versions at one point. :P