Alright, I have come to a conclusion

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#1 Hybrenated
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Nintendo is purpusly trashing their rep so they can have an excuse to go full on mobile. They are sabatoging themselves. I have never seen someone so trigger happy to end their own company when the the entire damn world is telling them no. They know this will end badly, they know that this is a terrible idea, but they do it anyway. Me personally, I am done with nintendo at this point. As for now, I am exclusivly sony until the next gen. Jesus christ man, sony and microsoft investors are laughing their asses off right now. More money for them.

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#2  Edited By casharmy
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That's not a conclusion, that's a theory and since NX exists it's a bad one. I have a theory also, that the recent PS4k leaks have somehow threw Nintindo's NX plans to reveal at E3 off.

Who cares if they release March....but not even showing the system, what it can do, why people should be hyped for it is unprecedented.

Can Nintendo even throw a bigger even than E3 to hype a new less just one year out?

I honestly don't think nintendo was ready for Sony to have new hardware to go up against them with this E3 and something about this PS4 neo info has them scrambling.

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Nintendo hasn't had a clue how to handle a home console since the SNES. They caught lightning in the bottle with the Wii that would never be repeated if they tried 100 more times. Outside of that they've been getting their ass kicked left and right since Sony entered the market. Mobile and amiibo is the future of Nintendo. Not consoles.

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#5 TheEroica  Moderator
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Reggie to the Board... "today, we spend millions... Millions on operations, hardware, r+D, advertising, game development, and building an online service... . Tomorrow we watch it burn and billions will fall from the sky when we release Flappy Cheap Cheap for ios...."

Wut?

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#6 Hybrenated
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Well they kind of already lost millions to an obviously bad decision called the wii u

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#7 SecretPolice
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Nintendont know WTF they're doing these dayzzz.

SEGA !!!!! :P

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#8 Catalli  Moderator
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That's quite a business strategy... I mean it's not a good business strategy, but it is a business strategy.

Also the NX is a thing which is, sources confirm, tangible, so that's this theory out the window.

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#9 SecretPolice
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Hmmm, perhaps you're on to something....

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendos-first-smartphone-game-miitomo-reaches-10/1100-6439257/

lol :P

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#10 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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This explains why they invested hundreds of millions of dollars into NX R&D, yes.

@casharmy said:

That's not a conclusion, that's a theory and since NX exists it's a bad one. I have a theory also, that the recent PS4k leaks have somehow threw Nintindo's NX plans to reveal at E3 off.

Who cares if they release March....but not even showing the system, what it can do, why people should be hyped for it is unprecedented.

Can Nintendo even throw a bigger even than E3 to hype a new less just one year out?

I honestly don't think nintendo was ready for Sony to have new hardware to go up against them with this E3 and something about this PS4 neo info has them scrambling.

I highly doubt it. My assumption is that the games are not ready- and without the games, they do not feel comfortable launching the NX, not after the double whammy of 3DS and Wii U.

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#11 casharmy
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@charizard1605:

That would be weird since Nintendo was the first one to leak plans about the new hardware, and the PS4k news JUST sprung up and Sony already has games ready to show for E3.

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#12 Legend002
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They are lost without Iwata.

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as usual NIN is doing everything unorthodox..it will backfire as usual and people will complain as usual. They will release this console without any good exclusives as usual and wonder why they suck as usual..I really hate where gaming in general has gone over the last few years. Honestly I think we need another BIG gaming crash to straighten people up.

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What a story Mark.

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#15 nintendoboy16
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In response to your locked thread Char thinks could be posted here:

They can finally go third party! No one actually likes Nintendo consoles, let's be honest, subpar online, subpar store, terrible friend system. We like the games. When the NX makes Nintendo fail yet again, they might go third party and we can finally have amazing games on amazing consoles. Perfect scenario. I will be waiting for the day when I can play Mario on a playstation.

That's even implying that:

-Their quality is retained (several have argued it's gone down, but somehow still believe Nintendo would be just fine as a TP, nevermind that, everytime I bring up SEGA as a de facto example of how and why going third party is a BAD idea, it's "different" because "they made crap on their consoles anyway")

-The PlayStation/XBOX/PC crowd has ANY ounce of care for what Nintendo does (which is what I refuse to believe, given that the loss of third party support of Nintendo made people jump to PlayStation, XBOX, and, to an extent SEGA, not to mention frequent mention of how "kiddy" Nintendo is compared to them. PC audience never cared ever since the NES even showed up and upright showed more of it in the N64 era, see: criticism of Goldeneye, hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they shunned Pikmin and Nintendo Wars akin to Traditional Fighters and Smash Bros)

-They even stay in the industry (do I even need to say more?)

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#16 Juub1990
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Why would they need an excuse to go mobile? They could just do it without harming their reputation in the process.

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#17 nintendoboy16
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@Juub1990 said:

Why would they need an excuse to go mobile? They could just do it without harming their reputation in the process.

Not sure about the "not harming their reputation" part.

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#18  Edited By PAL360
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@hybrenated said:

Nintendo is purpusly trashing their rep so they can have an excuse to go full on mobile. They are sabatoging themselves. I have never seen someone so trigger happy to end their own company when the the entire damn world is telling them no. They know this will end badly, they know that this is a terrible idea, but they do it anyway. Me personally, I am done with nintendo at this point. As for now, I am exclusivly sony until the next gen. Jesus christ man, sony and microsoft investors are laughing their asses off right now. More money for them.

If i didn't read the tittle, i would say you were talking about Sony and PS4 Neo (still a rumor, but i'm sure that at this point we all know it's going to happen).

PS4 is young, a massive success, capable of fantastic graphics at 1080p and performances far more stable than we were used to see in previous generations. Yet Sony decided to confuse everyone with new hardware against the will of the majority of their fans and even devs! Odd...

Sorry for the off topic, by the way.

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@PAL360 said:

If i didn't read the tittle, i would say you were talking about Sony and PS4 Neo (still a rumor, but i'm sure that at this point we all know it's going to happen).

PS4 is young, a massive success, capable of fantastic graphics at 1080p and performances far more stable than we were used to see in previous generations. Yet Sony decided to confuse everyone with new hardware against the will of the majority of their fans and even devs! Odd...

Sorry for the off topic, by the way.

Thing is, 4K is the new rage for TVs, and having a large 4K tv myself, the PS4 and Xbone both look very meh on those TVs. Furthermore, many of the lower priced 4K TVs have poor upscalers so the jaggies become very apparent. This coupled witht he introduction of both HDR10 and Dolby Vision has Sony and MS both pushing for the 4K versions of their consoles.

These new consoles would have to have more power to push 4K, but also in order to have Dolby Vision support they need new hardware processing chips (HDR10 is software based). If they get their consoles out just as 4K HDR is gaining popularity, people will buy their new consoles jsut for the 4K bluray feature alone. They also will include a better upscaler chip than the lower priced 4K tvs making it a more desirable device. Even though the console will most likely not have many 4K resolution games, it will upscale nicer than the build in TV scaler.

I'm convinced this is the real reason why they are pushing these consoles so early. They want in early and it has nothing to do with improving the games graphics, but purely a business decision to gain more sales for new mainstream tech.

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#20 PAL360
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@Phazevariance said:
@PAL360 said:

If i didn't read the tittle, i would say you were talking about Sony and PS4 Neo (still a rumor, but i'm sure that at this point we all know it's going to happen).

PS4 is young, a massive success, capable of fantastic graphics at 1080p and performances far more stable than we were used to see in previous generations. Yet Sony decided to confuse everyone with new hardware against the will of the majority of their fans and even devs! Odd...

Sorry for the off topic, by the way.

Thing is, 4K is the new rage for TVs, and having a large 4K tv myself, the PS4 and Xbone both look very meh on those TVs. Furthermore, many of the lower priced 4K TVs have poor upscalers so the jaggies become very apparent. This coupled witht he introduction of both HDR10 and Dolby Vision has Sony and MS both pushing for the 4K versions of their consoles.

These new consoles would have to have more power to push 4K, but also in order to have Dolby Vision support they need new hardware processing chips (HDR10 is software based). If they get their consoles out just as 4K HDR is gaining popularity, people will buy their new consoles jsut for the 4K bluray feature alone. They also will include a better upscaler chip than the lower priced 4K tvs making it a more desirable device. Even though the console will most likely not have many 4K resolution games, it will upscale nicer than the build in TV scaler.

I'm convinced this is the real reason why they are pushing these consoles so early. They want in early and it has nothing to do with improving the games graphics, but purely a business decision to gain more sales for new mainstream tech.

Sure, but why not wait 2 or 3 more years, release a console capable of real 4K and call it PS5? Instead of leaving all upset and confused, everyone would be happy.

In my opinion this is a terrible move from Sony. Bad enough for me to completly lose interest on PSVR, which i was planning to buy this fall.

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Don't worry it'll have a Pokemon game.

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#22 clone01
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Didn't know there were so many brilliant business analysts on a fanboy web forum. Guess you learn something new every day.

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@hybrenated: and now animal crossing and fire emblem are going mobile

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I was done with Nintendo following the Game Cube debacle but the Wii was fun to a certain extent and was clearly aimed at the casual, mass market. In that regard, it worked. The WiiU was a cynical money grab that back fired...they built a console with a generation old hardware system, a gimmicky controller and a lack of any games with substance, it didn't even suit the casual market.

Is this the first Nintendo console without a fully fledged Mario, Zelda AND Metroid?

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#25  Edited By lamprey263
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Launching a console in spring, missing the holiday launch window, already a recipe for disaster. They're also risking alienating third parties again. After all, third parties like EA, Ubisoft, WBIE, Square Enix, Activision, etc, they probably all working on NX ports of multiplats hoping for a 2016 release, now this just means that the NX ports are going to show up on the NX late, overpriced, titles already offered on PS4, Xbox One, PC, and probably dropped to a value price on other systems, games gamers will already have played or chose to ignore by the time the NX launches, which means when those titles do launch on NX and nobody gets them then the third parties are going to be like "see, we tried, they won't buy third party games"; then we know how the rest goes, certain games won't get DLC on NX, they apologize to season pass holders, NX isn't getting ports of PS4/XBO/PC games, and then you realize hey you basically got a Wii U 2. And, Wii U gamers are going to be pissed, because it's clear Nintendo gave up on it long ago. And it's not so much that LoZ is launching on the NX anymore that sucks as much as the game keeps getting delayed to be an NX launch title that's really sucking for the rest of us.

Anyhow, Nintendo would get filthy rich going mobile. Imagine Pokemon on iPhone/Android stores with microtransactions and an impossible to collect them all roster of Pokemon... it'd put Candy Crush to shame.

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#26 Heil68
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Not with that much money spent on R&D, granted they didn't spend 10 billion like MS did on the X1.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Nintendo hasn't had a clue how to handle a home console since the SNES. They caught lightning in the bottle with the Wii that would never be repeated if they tried 100 more times. Outside of that they've been getting their ass kicked left and right since Sony entered the market. Mobile and amiibo is the future of Nintendo. Not consoles.

The Wii was a huge success. It made Nintendo and its stockholders a fuckton of money. However I am afraid that Nintendo is going to be chasing that success to their death.

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Is this the Special Olympics board?

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@hybrenated said:

purp

You have my attention friend.

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@Legend002 said:

They are lost without Iwata.

No they're not, Iwata put them on a sinking ship with the Wii U and 3DS. I don't know what you're talking about.