Am I no longer a true gamer?

The main thing I need from a game now for me to enjoy it is a good involving story or narrative. Without these a generally feel no desire to complete a game and get bored of it quickly to the point where I stop playing it. For example, I know it's a modern cliche, but I just cant stand most FPS's nowadays because for me most of them have no hook or plot strong enough to grab me. I like Homefront mind but again from what I read mechanics/gameplay wise it was a average shooter but the plot/story/character situation kept me engaged to the end.

on the flipside Crysis 2 was a very well received shooter but to me the story didnt have that emotional hook. I know it tried with opening cinemetaics and such but I just lost interest not long after the first level. Same with Halo - I tried the anniversary edition oif the first one a few months ago to get me in to a great series but for me it was just shoot, move to the next location, shoot a few more and repeat and it was a game/series that I wanted to experience and enjoy like so many others do.

Then again I do love games like Total War(s), XCom, Tropico and games like it which probably don't fall in the interactive story element I have outlined but none the less they all feel grand in scale and absorb you in to anotehr world. Which Halo I suppose does but I don't know what the difference is. Perhaps it is a mix of gameplay and story that I require and perhaps Just don't like FPS's anymore.

I think what I am getting at is that I cannot just enjoy pure gameplay anymore which I regert and know I am missing out on alot of great games but I've trid and I can't even force myself.

Define "true gamer".

Get rid of that "true" bullsh!t.

You play games? You're a gamer.

Just as much as I am, or the poster above or below me. It's that simple.

If you enjoy playing video games, if you play video games. PLAY GAMES.

=

Gamer.

Get rid of that "true" bullsh!t.

You play games? You're a gamer.

Just as much as I am, or the poster above or below me. It's that simple.

If you enjoy playing video games, if you play video games. PLAY GAMES.

=

Gamer.

MLBknights58

The main thing I need from a game now for me to enjoy it is a good involving story or narrative. Without these a generally feel no desire to complete a game and get bored of it quickly to the point where I stop playing it. For example, I know it's a modern cliche, but I just cant stand most FPS's nowadays because for me most of them have no hook or plot strong enough to grab me. I like Homefront mind but again from what I read mechanics/gameplay wise it was a average shooter but the plot/story/character situation kept me engaged to the end.

on the flipside Crysis 2 was a very well received shooter but to me the story didnt have that emotional hook. I know it tried with opening cinemetaics and such but I just lost interest not long after the first level. Same with Halo - I tried the anniversary edition oif the first one a few months ago to get me in to a great series but for me it was just shoot, move to the next location, shoot a few more and repeat and it was a game/series that I wanted to experience and enjoy like so many others do.

Then again I do love games like Total War(s), XCom, Tropico and games like it which probably don't fall in the interactive story element I have outlined but none the less they all feel grand in scale and absorb you in to anotehr world. Which Halo I suppose does but I don't know what the difference is. Perhaps it is a mix of gameplay and story that I require and perhaps Just don't like FPS's anymore.

I think what I am getting at is that I cannot just enjoy pure gameplay anymore which I regert and know I am missing out on alot of great games but I've trid and I can't even force myself.

PresidentLogan

You play games on PC, you are obviously a true gamer. If you gamed only on console then obviously you would be just a pretend gamer.

Homefront story What a disgusting piece of overly patriotic poo. And if you like story over gameplay, you really arent a "true gamer", if such lunacy actually exist.IAmNot_fun

I'm not American so it wasn't out of a nationalistic sentiment that I liked the story. I though it was an interesting premise and the opening credits really fleshed out why in the game world it happened.

Cool Blog Bro.

Go Handheld. More Variety.

Define "true gamer".

Sagem28

Get rid of that "true" bullsh!t.

You play games? You're a gamer.

Just as much as I am, or the poster above or below me. It's that simple.

If you enjoy playing video games, if you play video games. PLAY GAMES.

=

Gamer.

MLBknights58

That's very, very broad.

I wouldn't consider someone who plays Fifa once a week a gamer in my persoal opinion.

Thanks for all your replies and I suppose what I was getting at with the "True" Gamer remark was that maybe a true/hardcore gamer would lap anything up if the gameplay was good enough regardless of story or plot.

I have been into games since the Atari days and for me it has always been about escapism in to other wordls and stories and when I was younger and the graphics and such were more limited I suppose I had more of an imagination to fill in the blanks. Yet where the best modern examples just as good as any book or movie.

When FPS's first arived and evolved with graphics they were the cutting edge game that allowed you visually in to another world regardless of plot/story and I couldnt get enough of them.

I think now, where we have games, particularyly third persons, that let you do whatever you want in a massive playground/world/hub combined with a good plot and story with relatable or at least enjoyable characters with personality, for me, they are current/next gaming chain in where my gaming nirvana is heading and FPS's perhaps can't manage or do it better as a medium for it (Saying that I do love Skrim, fallout etc)

[QUOTE="IAmNot_fun"]Homefront story What a disgusting piece of overly patriotic poo. And if you like story over gameplay, you really arent a "true gamer", if such lunacy actually exist.PresidentLogan

I'm not American so it wasn't out of a nationalistic sentiment that I liked the story. I though it was an interesting premise and the opening credits really fleshed out why in the game world it happened.

[QUOTE="PresidentLogan"]

[QUOTE="IAmNot_fun"]Homefront story What a disgusting piece of overly patriotic poo. And if you like story over gameplay, you really arent a "true gamer", if such lunacy actually exist.funsohng

I'm not American so it wasn't out of a nationalistic sentiment that I liked the story. I though it was an interesting premise and the opening credits really fleshed out why in the game world it happened.

Enough lies, we know what you're really up to.

[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="PresidentLogan"]

I'm not American so it wasn't out of a nationalistic sentiment that I liked the story. I though it was an interesting premise and the opening credits really fleshed out why in the game world it happened.

Neon_Noir

Enough lies, we know what you're really up to.

i am a true gamer because i own 2 games.

How old are you?

The main thing I need from a game now for me to enjoy it is a good involving story or narrative. Without these a generally feel no desire to complete a game and get bored of it quickly to the point where I stop playing it. For example, I know it's a modern cliche, but I just cant stand most FPS's nowadays because for me most of them have no hook or plot strong enough to grab me. I like Homefront mind but again from what I read mechanics/gameplay wise it was a average shooter but the plot/story/character situation kept me engaged to the end.

on the flipside Crysis 2 was a very well received shooter but to me the story didnt have that emotional hook. I know it tried with opening cinemetaics and such but I just lost interest not long after the first level. Same with Halo - I tried the anniversary edition oif the first one a few months ago to get me in to a great series but for me it was just shoot, move to the next location, shoot a few more and repeat and it was a game/series that I wanted to experience and enjoy like so many others do.

Then again I do love games like Total War(s), XCom, Tropico and games like it which probably don't fall in the interactive story element I have outlined but none the less they all feel grand in scale and absorb you in to anotehr world. Which Halo I suppose does but I don't know what the difference is. Perhaps it is a mix of gameplay and story that I require and perhaps Just don't like FPS's anymore.

I think what I am getting at is that I cannot just enjoy pure gameplay anymore which I regert and know I am missing out on alot of great games but I've trid and I can't even force myself.

PresidentLogan

It's not that you need a story to enjoy a game. It's that modern game design is so focused on secondary elements, like story, that once you turn the story off the games themselves aren't really as much fun to play as games might have been a few generations back. Where gameplay and replayability was paramount. So, you need the story in many modern games because with it there's at least one compelling reason for you to play all the way through them.

The myth of modern gaming is that story is just as important as any other element, if not more so. The truth is that modern games are often so dull and generic to actually play that they might as well just be non-interactive movies, so the developers end up putting all their effort into these Hollywood like movie plots in the hope that you feel compelled to play through the game at least one time, even if it's just to see the full story. After that it will become quite apparent there's not a lot of replay value in many modern games because they're not that much fun to actually play in the first place.

Most noob gamers that believe story really is essential are just a little bit ignorant of the above truth. Story is a nice extra layer to have but the game really should be fun to just play and replay whether there's a grand story attached to it or not.

Like I said in your other post regarding fps games for example:

This:

http://cdn.duelinganalogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/fps-map-design.png

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU

Is why you hate fps games nowadays.

If that ^^ is the type of gamer you want to aspire to be or are worried about not being then i think you are better of being how you currently are haha.

How old are you?

BlbecekBobecek

I'm 32,

Also agree with the other poster in some regards that due to the limitations of years gone past gameplay and replayability were paramount to maikng a good and more importantly successful game but I don't think most moderns games have dull gameplay and the plot serves to mask the fact. I used to love playing Sonic the Hedgehog on my Mega Drive/Genesis over and over again but now it bores me to tears. I think adding astories and other layers is the evolution of the mediuym. Of couser there will awalys be gameplay centric games with little to no plot but other than being niche releases on PSN/Xbox Live/Steam the future lies in the "interactive movie" along apart from sports games and adding more realism. By Interactive Movie I don't mean Heavy Rain I mean as power of hardware evolves we will have games made with all the same genre's of movies - Action, Thriller, Comedy, horror etc and a simple R-Type/Sine Mora even Mario type game will be niche titles - Other than graphics how can games like these evolve?

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

How old are you?

PresidentLogan

I'm 32,

Also agree with the other poster in some regards that due to the limitations of years gone past gameplay and replayability were paramount to maikng a good and more importantly successful game but I don't think most moderns games have dull gameplay and the plot serves to mask the fact. I used to love playing Sonic the Hedgehog on my Mega Drive/Genesis over and over again but now it bores me to tears. I think adding astories and other layers is the evolution of the mediuym. Of couser there will awalys be gameplay centric games with little to no plot but other than being niche releases on PSN/Xbox Live/Steam the future lies in the "interactive movie" along apart from sports games and adding more realism. By Interactive Movie I don't mean Heavy Rain I mean as power of hardware evolves we will have games made with all the same genre's of movies - Action, Thriller, Comedy, horror etc and a simple R-Type/Sine Mora even Mario type game will be niche titles - Other than graphics how can games like these evolve?

I agree that adding stories and other layers is part of the evolution of videogames. I also believe in many modern games it is however not actually in addition to all the other layers but often at the cost of them. Layers which I personally think are more integral in creating and defining what is an interactive videogame in the first place. You know'; the stuff that defines and separates a Videogame at it's core from other entertainment media like movies, books or music etc? So, story is all cool with me, but not if it means games are more linear, less interactive, more forced and scripted and just less fun to actually play in the first place, as opposed to watch.

Call of Duty's single player is a great example of what I'm talking about; on the surface it looks far more evolved than say Doom but in reality it's just very linear, scripted and uninteractive and it does in actual fact just play itself if you let it. The player isn't even needed for the most part. Although, to be fair, it is actually a rather exciting and explosive semi-interactive movie to "play" through (a bit like I imagine Michael Bay would do a videogame):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RULv6HbgEjY

Now, COD clearly has a far more advanced story than Doom but personally I feel it's a massive step backwards in terms of the underlying gameplay design (despite many advances in quite a few technical areas such as physics or AI etc); the stuff that actually makes it a game as opposed to a movie imo.

So, I absolutely hear ya but I still stand by my original point.

Note: Not all modern games are like this. Just like not all old games were about pure gameplay etc. It's just a general observation and reasoning as to why many modern games as I see them really aren't as special and certainly not as much fun to play as many people seem to think they are. Especially the ones that get most of the hype and success these days it seems.

Basically; Wrap a fully developed and expertly realized story around the likes of Doom (the originals, 1/2/Ultimate/etc, as opposed to say Doom 3), also bring the graphics and tech up to modern day standards just so it's on an even playing field (once again, Doom 3 wasn't that game imo), and I bet more people would have far more fun playing and replaying that game than they would the likes of Call of Duty, any day of the week, as an example.

That's how I think about it anyway.

[QUOTE="MLBknights58"]

Get rid of that "true" bullsh!t.

You play games? You're a gamer.

Just as much as I am, or the poster above or below me. It's that simple.

If you enjoy playing video games, if you play video games. PLAY GAMES.

=

Gamer.

Ilovegames1992

That's very, very broad.

I wouldn't consider someone who plays Fifa once a week a gamer in my persoal opinion.

Very much agree. But even so a term like "true gamer" is just an inaccurate way of discerning one's level of commitment to their pastime, to say nothing of its elitist undertones. I more often define by enthusiast and recreational. I'm sure anybody can easily decipher the meanings therein.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="MLBknights58"]

Get rid of that "true" bullsh!t.

You play games? You're a gamer.

Just as much as I am, or the poster above or below me. It's that simple.

If you enjoy playing video games, if you play video games. PLAY GAMES.

=

Gamer.

AdobeArtist

That's very, very broad.

I wouldn't consider someone who plays Fifa once a week a gamer in my persoal opinion.

Veru much agree. But even so a term like "true gamer" is just an inaccurate way of discerning one's level of commitment to their pastime, to say nothing of its elitist undertones. I more often define by enthusiast and recreational. I'm sure anybody can easily decipher the meanings therein.

Yes i agree. Depends on what the term gamer means really.

If i've watched like ten films in my life, i don't think that makes me a film afficiando, same for music, same for games.

I think you need a certain level of active enthusiasm and interest to classify you as 'true' per se.

Even though its a silly claim to make in my view.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

That's very, very broad.

I wouldn't consider someone who plays Fifa once a week a gamer in my persoal opinion.

Ilovegames1992

Very much agree. But even so a term like "true gamer" is just an inaccurate way of discerning one's level of commitment to their pastime, to say nothing of its elitist undertones. I more often define by enthusiast and recreational. I'm sure anybody can easily decipher the meanings therein.

Yes i agree. Depends on what the term gamer means really.

If i've watched like ten films in my life, i don't think that makes me a film afficiando, same for music, same for games.

I think you need a certain level of active enthusiasm and interest to classify you as 'true' per se.

Even though its a silly claim to make in my view.

As I said, "true gamer" is a silly claim to make, whereas enthusiast or even afficianado are more accurate ways to differentiate from the recreational gamer. And good analogy there with film and music.

But the difference is not only how much one invests in the pastime (both in money and time) but the extent of knowledge one garners in it as well. Someone who occasionally picks up the controller (or mouse and keyboard in gaming application) for that brief diversion isn't really as involved as someone who goes to lengths to know about the developers behind the game - their history and creation process, as well as a deeper appreciation of the lore within the game that goes beyond what the gameplay experience offers, such as books and other references to characters and the history of the worlds therin.

To OP,

There never was such thing as a "gamer". The term "gamer" is a term coined by groups which want to stamp a simple label on a person or group of people (with little to no consideration to the individual).

(The fact you like a game unlike a FPS with AAA storylines and like something with more strategy logic just means you now enjoy a game more strategy logic. If you like video games, no need to restrict or be ashamed of your tastes.)

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Very much agree. But even so a term like "true gamer" is just an inaccurate way of discerning one's level of commitment to their pastime, to say nothing of its elitist undertones. I more often define by enthusiast and recreational. I'm sure anybody can easily decipher the meanings therein.

AdobeArtist

Yes i agree. Depends on what the term gamer means really.

If i've watched like ten films in my life, i don't think that makes me a film afficiando, same for music, same for games.

I think you need a certain level of active enthusiasm and interest to classify you as 'true' per se.

Even though its a silly claim to make in my view.

As I said, "true gamer" is a silly claim to make, whereas enthusiast or even afficianado are more accurate ways to differentiate from the recreational gamer. And good analogy there with film and music.

But the difference is not only how much one invests in the pastime (both in money and time) but the extent of knowledge one garners in it as well. Someone who occasionally picks up the controller (or mouse and keyboard in gaming application) for that brief diversion isn't really as involved as someone who goes to lengths to know about the developers behind the game - their history and creation process, as well as a deeper appreciation of the lore within the game that goes beyond what the gameplay experience offers, such as books and other references to characters and the history of the worlds therin.

Get rid of that "true" bullsh!t.

You play games? You're a gamer.

Just as much as I am, or the poster above or below me. It's that simple.

If you enjoy playing video games, if you play video games. PLAY GAMES.

=

Gamer.

MLBknights58

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Very much agree. But even so a term like "true gamer" is just an inaccurate way of discerning one's level of commitment to their pastime, to say nothing of its elitist undertones. I more often define by enthusiast and recreational. I'm sure anybody can easily decipher the meanings therein.

AdobeArtist

Yes i agree. Depends on what the term gamer means really.

If i've watched like ten films in my life, i don't think that makes me a film afficiando, same for music, same for games.

I think you need a certain level of active enthusiasm and interest to classify you as 'true' per se.

Even though its a silly claim to make in my view.

As I said, "true gamer" is a silly claim to make, whereas enthusiast or even afficianado are more accurate ways to differentiate from the recreational gamer. And good analogy there with film and music.

But the difference is not only how much one invests in the pastime (both in money and time) but the extent of knowledge one garners in it as well. Someone who occasionally picks up the controller (or mouse and keyboard in gaming application) for that brief diversion isn't really as involved as someone who goes to lengths to know about the developers behind the game - their history and creation process, as well as a deeper appreciation of the lore within the game that goes beyond what the gameplay experience offers, such as books and other references to characters and the history of the worlds therin.

Agree. You can be a lot bigger gamer than someone who plays the same game as you but you know more about the game than that other person does.

Although i wonder if there is a cut off point between being a gamer and not being a gamer.

maybe there is a mathematical equation for it. Passion + knowledge + time invested = gamer status? Haha

The main thing I need from a game now for me to enjoy it is a good involving story or narrative. Without these a generally feel no desire to complete a game and get bored of it quickly to the point where I stop playing it. For example, I know it's a modern cliche, but I just cant stand most FPS's nowadays because for me most of them have no hook or plot strong enough to grab me. I like Homefront mind but again from what I read mechanics/gameplay wise it was a average shooter but the plot/story/character situation kept me engaged to the end.

on the flipside Crysis 2 was a very well received shooter but to me the story didnt have that emotional hook. I know it tried with opening cinemetaics and such but I just lost interest not long after the first level. Same with Halo - I tried the anniversary edition oif the first one a few months ago to get me in to a great series but for me it was just shoot, move to the next location, shoot a few more and repeat and it was a game/series that I wanted to experience and enjoy like so many others do.

Then again I do love games like Total War(s), XCom, Tropico and games like it which probably don't fall in the interactive story element I have outlined but none the less they all feel grand in scale and absorb you in to anotehr world. Which Halo I suppose does but I don't know what the difference is. Perhaps it is a mix of gameplay and story that I require and perhaps Just don't like FPS's anymore.

I think what I am getting at is that I cannot just enjoy pure gameplay anymore which I regert and know I am missing out on alot of great games but I've trid and I can't even force myself.

PresidentLogan

then i wouldn't be a true gamer either, people approach games for different reasons, my main one is and always have been enjoying a good story (hence why i love rpgs and why im sad to see pure singple player games go away).

The term "gamer" is as always on this board badly used, i personally see it as someone who enjoys spending time in games when he has some free time, some people think is having no life outside gaming.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Yes i agree. Depends on what the term gamer means really.

If i've watched like ten films in my life, i don't think that makes me a film afficiando, same for music, same for games.

I think you need a certain level of active enthusiasm and interest to classify you as 'true' per se.

Even though its a silly claim to make in my view.

Ilovegames1992

As I said, "true gamer" is a silly claim to make, whereas enthusiast or even afficianado are more accurate ways to differentiate from the recreational gamer. And good analogy there with film and music.

But the difference is not only how much one invests in the pastime (both in money and time) but the extent of knowledge one garners in it as well. Someone who occasionally picks up the controller (or mouse and keyboard in gaming application) for that brief diversion isn't really as involved as someone who goes to lengths to know about the developers behind the game - their history and creation process, as well as a deeper appreciation of the lore within the game that goes beyond what the gameplay experience offers, such as books and other references to characters and the history of the worlds therin.

Agree. You can be a lot bigger gamer than someone who plays the same game as you but you know more about the game than that other person does.

Although i wonder if there is a cut off point between being a gamer and not being a gamer.

maybe there is a mathematical equation for it. Passion + knowledge + time invested = gamer status? Haha

The distinctions are always subjective by perspective, each player considering "how much is enough".

i am a true gamer because i own 2 games.

sukraj

Oh yeah, very true gamer indeed

TC... if you are looking for an FPS with a decent story / emotional hook, I suggest the Resistance games. Maybe not the best FPS around, but the story kept me playing... especially Resi 2 and 3.

Do you play videogames?

If yes, you're a gamer. Screw that "true gamer" crap.

Do you play videogames?

If yes, you're a gamer. Screw that "true gamer" crap.

The_Game21x

This

No one is a true gamer because no such thing exists. And we should also drop the term "gamer"; do you call people listen to music musicers, who watch movies moviers, who read books bookers?

The main thing I need from a game now for me to enjoy it is a good involving story or narrative. Without these a generally feel no desire to complete a game and get bored of it quickly to the point where I stop playing it. For example, I know it's a modern cliche, but I just cant stand most FPS's nowadays because for me most of them have no hook or plot strong enough to grab me. I like Homefront mind but again from what I read mechanics/gameplay wise it was a average shooter but the plot/story/character situation kept me engaged to the end.

on the flipside Crysis 2 was a very well received shooter but to me the story didnt have that emotional hook. I know it tried with opening cinemetaics and such but I just lost interest not long after the first level. Same with Halo - I tried the anniversary edition oif the first one a few months ago to get me in to a great series but for me it was just shoot, move to the next location, shoot a few more and repeat and it was a game/series that I wanted to experience and enjoy like so many others do.

Then again I do love games like Total War(s), XCom, Tropico and games like it which probably don't fall in the interactive story element I have outlined but none the less they all feel grand in scale and absorb you in to anotehr world. Which Halo I suppose does but I don't know what the difference is. Perhaps it is a mix of gameplay and story that I require and perhaps Just don't like FPS's anymore.

I think what I am getting at is that I cannot just enjoy pure gameplay anymore which I regret and know I am missing out on alot of great games but I've trid and I can't even force myself.

PresidentLogan

Why do you ask?

Did you buy a Vita?

You bought a Vita, didn't you, TC. :|

My grandmother who plays puzzle games on her Kindle is as much of a gamer as anyone else on this board.

Define "true gamer".

Sagem28

My grandmother who plays puzzle games on her Kindle is as much of a gamer as anyone else on this board.

whiskeystrike

How old is she?

The main thing I need from a game now for me to enjoy it is a good involving story or narrative. Without these a generally feel no desire to complete a game and get bored of it quickly to the point where I stop playing it. For example, I know it's a modern cliche, but I just cant stand most FPS's nowadays because for me most of them have no hook or plot strong enough to grab me. I like Homefront mind but again from what I read mechanics/gameplay wise it was a average shooter but the plot/story/character situation kept me engaged to the end.

on the flipside Crysis 2 was a very well received shooter but to me the story didnt have that emotional hook. I know it tried with opening cinemetaics and such but I just lost interest not long after the first level. Same with Halo - I tried the anniversary edition oif the first one a few months ago to get me in to a great series but for me it was just shoot, move to the next location, shoot a few more and repeat and it was a game/series that I wanted to experience and enjoy like so many others do.

Then again I do love games like Total War(s), XCom, Tropico and games like it which probably don't fall in the interactive story element I have outlined but none the less they all feel grand in scale and absorb you in to anotehr world. Which Halo I suppose does but I don't know what the difference is. Perhaps it is a mix of gameplay and story that I require and perhaps Just don't like FPS's anymore.

I think what I am getting at is that I cannot just enjoy pure gameplay anymore which I regert and know I am missing out on alot of great games but I've trid and I can't even force myself.

PresidentLogan

Well in classic games the "story" was implied.

They didn't have cutscenes and big intros to spoon feed the story to you.

The gameplay and environment made you imagine the plot.

For example in Diablo 1, there was just some blurb about "tales of dark creatures below a monastary" and it just threw you in there to let your imagination take control about why these demons were here, what do they want, what's the story, etc.

Simple fact is that "gaming" to alot of the industry is no longer a labor of love.

It's a business.

They're trying to find formulas that make people buy the game and go home with alot of money.

So it's not surprise that you play alot of games and be like "this schit sucks."

It isn't not fun because you're not a real gamer.

It's not fun because it's not fun.

Every Crysis game I've played was trash.

Every Halo game I've played was trash.

Hell even ME3 was trash.

Not because I'm not a "real" gamer, I'm as real as it gets.

[QUOTE="PresidentLogan"]

The main thing I need from a game now for me to enjoy it is a good involving story or narrative. Without these a generally feel no desire to complete a game and get bored of it quickly to the point where I stop playing it. For example, I know it's a modern cliche, but I just cant stand most FPS's nowadays because for me most of them have no hook or plot strong enough to grab me. I like Homefront mind but again from what I read mechanics/gameplay wise it was a average shooter but the plot/story/character situation kept me engaged to the end.

on the flipside Crysis 2 was a very well received shooter but to me the story didnt have that emotional hook. I know it tried with opening cinemetaics and such but I just lost interest not long after the first level. Same with Halo - I tried the anniversary edition oif the first one a few months ago to get me in to a great series but for me it was just shoot, move to the next location, shoot a few more and repeat and it was a game/series that I wanted to experience and enjoy like so many others do.

Then again I do love games like Total War(s), XCom, Tropico and games like it which probably don't fall in the interactive story element I have outlined but none the less they all feel grand in scale and absorb you in to anotehr world. Which Halo I suppose does but I don't know what the difference is. Perhaps it is a mix of gameplay and story that I require and perhaps Just don't like FPS's anymore.

I think what I am getting at is that I cannot just enjoy pure gameplay anymore which I regert and know I am missing out on alot of great games but I've trid and I can't even force myself.

ZombieKiller7

Well in classic games the "story" was implied.

They didn't have cutscenes and big intros to spoon feed the story to you.

The gameplay and environment made you imagine the plot.

For example in Diablo 1, there was just some blurb about "tales of dark creatures below a monastary" and it just threw you in there to let your imagination take control about why these demons were here, what do they want, what's the story, etc.

Simple fact is that "gaming" to alot of the industry is no longer a labor of love.

It's a business.

They're trying to find formulas that make people buy the game and go home with alot of money.

So it's not surprise that you play alot of games and be like "this schit sucks."

It isn't not fun because you're not a real gamer.

It's not fun because it's not fun.

Every Crysis game I've played was trash.

Every Halo game I've played was trash.

Hell even ME3 was trash.

Not because I'm not a "real" gamer, I'm as real as it gets.

Gaming has always been a business. Labour of love in the industry still exists.

Crysis isn't trash.

Halo isn't trash.

ME3 wasn't trash.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

My grandmother who plays puzzle games on her Kindle is as much of a gamer as anyone else on this board.

lonewolfman10

How old is she?

Why do you ask?

Did you buy a Vita?

You bought a Vita, didn't you, TC. :|

DarkLink77

You're a gamer even if you can't stand the CODs of the world.