AMD is still playing catch-up. AMD RX 6000 looks like RTX 2000 FEs.

Shroud definitely looks like the RTX 2000 FE cooler design, except this has 3 fans.

Then again, looks aside, if this becomes a contender for the RTX series, we might see an actual competition in the GPU market. BUT I'm not too hopeful for that.

TBH, I won't expect AMD to match Nvidia, as they haven't been able to in... Forever. I'm definitely interested in the CPU side of things.

I'll take them serious when they have their own DLSS2.0 that is on par or better.

AMD finally ditching the Blower Fan this time around and while they are a hit or a miss, they did serve a purpose for certain PC case styles but still, AMD learning on which cooling solution to use was the best choice.

Sadly, I never like AMD GPU (But love their CPU Ryzen) and will always side with Nvidia for a good reason. Hopefully, RDNA2 will be a worthy challenge towards the upcoming RTX 3060 & below.

Wait... AMD has to play catch up... because of looks? If anything, this is good because they've ditched the "blower" style fans.

Look, my big thing is this: AMD doesn't need to catch up in performance. As long as their cards are better value (and performance per watt), who cares? So you don't have upper echelon performance? Have fun spending $1400 on that. AMD didn't even catch up in performance to Intel. Intel still outperforms the best Ryzen in games. See, it's really the SOFTWARE AMD needs to catch up in. I use an AMD card because of Freesync and it's brilliant... when it works. Luckily the black screens and crashing got sorted out with the May drivers, but still. Those Crimson 2020 drivers were unbelievably bad.

And also, they need better documentation... Right now, Freesync doesn't really work unless you've paired it with Enhanced Sync. But what does Enhanced Sync ACTUALLY do? If it's V-Sync, that LITERALLY defeats the purpose of using adaptive sync. On last years drivers, I could turn on Freesync, disable V-sync in all apps, and then limit the framerate to be the refresh rate of the monitor (minus 2 or 3). That way, I was able to guarantee Freesync was working. Not so with the new Crimson drivers. I just have to hope and pray Freesync is doing its job and Enhanced Sync is not interfering.

Is G-Sync this difficult? Probably not.

@organic_machine: AMD CPU’s demolish Intel in everything except games so of course they have caught up. Since GPU’s are 90% used for gaming then this comparison doesn’t work.

We want options at the high-end and NVIDIA having virtual monopoly isn’t good.

Generally, yes. But the 10900K outperforms the best Ryzen CPU.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-10900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-3950X/4071vs4057

Nonetheless, fair point. However, I still argue cost matters most. Most people aren't buying the RTX 3090. Look at the adoptions rates of the RTX series.

You say they finally ditched the blower fan but ****wait**** you are letting us know what a genius you are because you think you know that some cheap trash PC cases where this $700 video card would potentially sit in(LMFAO) can benefit from blower crap coolers right?

You actually wrote that because you think it makes you seem knowledgeable and I guess to the laymen it might. If you actually knew anything you would know that even in those crap cases with terrible ventilation, the blower cards still perform worse than the larger multiple fan coolers.

That's all irrelevant because who the hell would buy a $600 - $700 GPU to put it in a tight cramped crappy case? You are so smart. Let me guess, some Nvidia customer who buys the $1,499 RTX 3090 will get screwed because they have a crappy case and would've benefited from the blower coolers right? LMFAO!!!

Then you say this card will compete against an RTX 3060. Isn't that an ignorant comment? Did you know that Nvidia had to release the 2060 Super because before their 2060 was $350 and 2070 $400 but they were spanked by the $300 5700 and $400 5700 XT so Nvidia had to rush out with the 2060 Super $400 and 2070 Super $500.

The 2060 Super is a $399 card. The 2070 Super is $499. We know the 3070 will be $499 same as 2070 Super so we can assume the 3060 will be $399 to replace the 2060 Super. Only someone clueless would suggest that AMD's new high end RDNA2 GPU that will probably have double the ram of even the 3070 and cost more somehow competes with the 3060 or below?

How can you be a moderator here if you're this ignorant on PC hardware? Not only that, you're a willfully ignorant bragger.

ITX cases still serve the niche market, and while small, there is definitely a market for it. Blower-style coolers are better for these cases.

@organic_machine: You're comparing Intel's latest and greatest i9 from this year to AMD's Ryzen 9 lineup from last year. Also that graph didn't have many benchmarks and is mostly generalizing about performance and concentrates on gaming while ignoring business and heavily threaded software.

I just want to see their Zen 3 processors. In no way do I expect AMD to compete with Nvidia and the 3000 series cards.

@jasonofa36 said:

@Xplode_games said:

@davillain- said:

AMD finally ditching the Blower Fan this time around and while they are a hit or a miss, they did serve a purpose for certain PC case styles but still, AMD learning on which cooling solution to use was the best choice.

Sadly, I never like AMD GPU (But love their CPU Ryzen) and will always side with Nvidia for a good reason. Hopefully, RDNA2 will be a worthy challenge towards the upcoming RTX 3060 & below.

You say they finally ditched the blower fan but ****wait**** you are letting us know what a genius you are because you think you know that some cheap trash PC cases where this $700 video card would potentially sit in(LMFAO) can benefit from blower crap coolers right?

You actually wrote that because you think it makes you seem knowledgeable and I guess to the laymen it might. If you actually knew anything you would know that even in those crap cases with terrible ventilation, the blower cards still perform worse than the larger multiple fan coolers.

That's all irrelevant because who the hell would buy a $600 - $700 GPU to put it in a tight cramped crappy case? You are so smart. Let me guess, some Nvidia customer who buys the $1,499 RTX 3090 will get screwed because they have a crappy case and would've benefited from the blower coolers right? LMFAO!!!

Then you say this card will compete against an RTX 3060. Isn't that an ignorant comment? Did you know that Nvidia had to release the 2060 Super because before their 2060 was $350 and 2070 $400 but they were spanked by the $300 5700 and $400 5700 XT so Nvidia had to rush out with the 2060 Super $400 and 2070 Super $500.

The 2060 Super is a $399 card. The 2070 Super is $499. We know the 3070 will be $499 same as 2070 Super so we can assume the 3060 will be $399 to replace the 2060 Super. Only someone clueless would suggest that AMD's new high end RDNA2 GPU that will probably have double the ram of even the 3070 and cost more somehow competes with the 3060 or below?

How can you be a moderator here if you're this ignorant on PC hardware? Not only that, you're a willfully ignorant bragger.

ITX cases still serve the niche market, and while small, there is definitely a market for it. Blower-style coolers are better for these cases.

And to prove your case you show a pic of a tiny case with a non blower GPU inside and no benchmarks? Those that build small form factor PCs buy GPUs with aftermarket coolers that are designed to fit in those small cases or use water cooling.

You are defending his ignorant remarks by attempting to claim that Nvidia and AMD were catering to the extreme niche market of small form factor PCs? Just admit he was wrong and both Nvidia and AMD were using that blower crap to cheap out and that's why everyone just got an aftermarket cooler. The multiple fan open designs are better in every way but more expensive.

amateur micro devices

@Xplode_games: I'm not defending anything, but blower-styles serves its purpose. Hell, even quadro cards are still blower-styles cos it's mostly used on cases without much airflow, IE, cabinets.

I think they can. Just ***rumors*** at this point but I heard about an RDNA2 6000 series card that will perform between a 3070 and 3080 but come with 16GBs of RAM and cost $599. If that's true then it's very compelling because both the 3070 and 3080 are low on RAM.

And you haven't shown me evidence that blower cards are better even in those cramped business PC cases the quadro cards would go in. It seems to me logical that Nvidia moved away from the blower cards with their gaming lineup because of pressure from gamers and gaming journalists. None of that pressure exists from their business lineup so they can get away with cheaping out even with expensive quadro cards.

Also, you are defending him for the sake of defending him. The comments he made are extremely ignorant.

@Xplode_games: You were saying?

NVIDIA massive processing power is not usually utilised expect for the increased resolution and ray tracing, both of which I am not really interested in

As long as AMD can be competitive from price perspective, I am happy.

The only place where the blower is better is multi GPU setups, ok so what? Those have been dying for a long time now and to me they are dead, I would not even consider that. But I guess to those that are interested in running multiple GPUs for whatever reason, then the blower cards are better for that.

What I argued against was the ignorant claim that the blower cards are better for PCs with crappy cases. I guess he meant users who are running multiple GPUs in crappy small cramped cases, LMAO!

@Xplode_games: It's not about the GPU itself, but more for the whole system. A blower style will affect the other parts' temps lesser compared to axial coolers in SFF cases.

@Xplode_games: You trying to hard for your own good lol. Anyhow, Blower Fans are a hit or a miss in my previous post but AMD has been using them for so long, its better this way since RDNA2 will generate more heat due to the rise of power, triple fans are needed for air efficient.

that means the cards they make cant run said rez etc.... at a decent rate. so that got to cheat to make it run good.

TBF, triple fan axial coolers mean shit when it's designed poorly. *cough* Radeon VII *cough*

is this thread from 10 years ago? what a pile of crap.

@organic_machine: yeah freesync was really hit or miss for me on the latest drivers. Had a number of games where it just wasn't working. I switched to an nvidia card the other week and wouldn't you know... same monitor, same games, works perfectly fine*

*I will say, though, I have a few games (e.g. RotTR) that get some tearing in the bottom 1/4 of the screen unless I enable vsync as well. It's almost like part of the image is rendering above the adaptivesync frequency limit or something. I set a framecap but it doesn't fix it. Only happens on a few games, and the fix is vsync. Not sure what's up with that and if it's a monitor thing or a gpu/driver thing.

If the current cards CAN run at said res, why won't the next gen card wouldn't be able to? And when that "cheat" give you 50 free frames AND looks better, lets just say i'd like to cheat thank you come again.

Yeah, no way Nvidia can offer the kind of performance AMD does at the same price point. They have to charge hundreds of dollars more for the same, let alone better performance.

suck that red D degents.

AMD will always be second place.

Buildzoid thinks it could very well be HBM2, better be.

A triple fan setup and a massive heat sink for a stock card? Looks like AMD are going to have the same downsides as always; inferior performance, higher power consumption, more heat.

Meanwhile, I've already picked out my RTX 3070; even down to the manufacturer and model. MSI GeForce RTX 3070 Ventus 2X OC, here I come.

That's why nvidia is holding the 16GB 3070Ti behind their backs for now, and as far as I'm concerned, I don't really care if AMD could match a 3080 for $100 less - CUDA, DLSS, NVEnc and superior drivers/software in general are worth the price difference in my eyes.

Don't get too excited about it. Remember Radeon VII? It had the same 3 fan heatsink and still was like a jet engine on load (~43dBA).

Do you even have a high refresh rate 4k monitor? Because I really don't see how DLSS is worth using or even relevant in general unless you do. These cards are easily capable of crisp full quality native FHD/QHD high refresh rate in the vast majority of games. And I'd rather play native res than DLSS any day, idk how you guys can't see the obvious difference. DLSS upscaling softens the image so much compared to native.

Btw AMD already has Radeon Image Sharpening which, aside from at the very least being way better than DLSS 1.0 for playing games at lower-than-native res(and they might improve it to compete with DLSS2), is just an amazing sharpening tool for making your games look even more amazing when playing at native res with 0 performance hit. It makes Nvidia's generic sharpness slider in the Control Panel look like garbage, as Nvidia's causes artifacts and made some games look weird if I turned it up even past 50. Not to mention Nvidia's also has a performance impact. RIS I can keep cranked to 80-90% and almost never notice an artifact, and it made every game I've played look better.

Idk... when I switched from my GTX 1660 to my RX 5700 I noticed the difference in sharpness and overall appeal to my eyes immediately when playing Apex Legends on the exact same settings, 1440p max. If you love a sharp crisp look to the games, I'm telling you don't sleep on RIS for native res gameplay. It's made games like Apex that used to look mediocre at best to my eyes on Nvidia look much more impressive on AMD. The graphics just pop way more.

this!

i rather have the cheating software for rez off. for native.

before you mention blah about rez etc. when dealing with a rez you have to factor distance to.

Amd CPU and nvidia gpu will be the way forward this gen.

Amd will need another generation to get their rt and dlss tech where it needs to be.

What are you talking about? Put something like Metro Exodus on Extreme in 1440p and you will see how high your fps is. Year(s) old games can barely run at maxed settings in 1440p with a perfectly stable 60fps, and you're implying 4k is all what's worthy for DLSS? And what if i want 144fps in those same games, why would i ignore DLSS? Its not like i am getting anywhere near those frames without it. DLSS is more important than anything AMD has ever done, and its only improving and will be suported by much more games in the years to come. If AMD doesn't have their own DLSS in a year or so, it will be worse than playing on a non gsync/freesync monitor in 2020.

@hardwenzen: so what you saying is dlss is needed due to the gpu cant handle the game natively

Looks like the radeon 7 cooler. That cooler itself wasn't bad. it was just expected to cool a nuclear reactor. hopefully the new cooler is more fitting for the GPU its bolted on to.

it's a bit of a moot point though for me. If i am going Radeon for my next GPU then it will be a Sapphire Radeon (probably the nitro variant). so the reference cooler isn't relevant for me.

So everything is being revealed inside Fortnite now?

Can't wait for the Fortnite Half Life 3 event.

Which is why Nvidia tries so hard and pays so many Youtubers and writers to hype the shit out of ray tracing and 4K gaming. But, compare these things for yourself an I've found it's basically just hype and little more. If a card can drive all the latest titles for the next generation at 1440P120 on max settings, you're set.

I mean I also see DLSS2.0 as a gamechanger, but it still lacks broad support. There are currently around 5 games that support it. Which is too small a number.

Userbenchmark is run by someone extremely biased towards Intel. Intel CPUs are better for gaming at the moment, but don't use Userbenchmark as evidence. You might as well be posting Intel slides.

@davillain-: jus saying, anybody who builds PCs already know to avoid blower cards. The only time you would buy a blower card is if you’re an amateur or on a budget.

Nvidia does what AMDon't.

AMD GPU's? Well, no thanks.

Need a Zen 3 CPU w/ X670 board ASAP though...xD

Yeah, it's not like you're (that much) restricted by budget, so all you are looking for is stable drivers, better tech/features, higher performance...

3070 is indeed low on RAM - 8GB GDDR6? Bruh...
3080, well, it's 10GB of GDDR6X + it's not very likely the high-profile devs (read as in "those that actually care about PC customers") will ignore the RTX IO, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

8gb is plenty for the target audience of the RTX 3070.... 1080p/1440p high refresh rate. When DLSS is enabled will allow that gpu to target a solid 4k 60+ fps experience easily.

Now with the RTX 3080, GDDR6x allows the memory to transmit twice as much data per clock vs GDDR6 on top of the 760gb/s bandwidth. Any game or engine that is designed on XSX and uses its SSD features will also work with RTX IO since both use Microsoft's Direct Storage API.... We also have to look at Tensor core memory compression saving 20%+ on memory usage. Lastly DLSS rendering games at lower resolutions and upscaling them saves memory too.

I managed to run out of VRAM with my 2070 back in 2018, so it's not as if I was talking outta my ass in that subject.

Thanks for the quick GDDR6X/RTX IO info, though.

The review embargo's gonna be lifted in a few hours, so let's see full info/benchmarks.

~24 hours left 'til I can order an FE 3080, I hope I'll be able to - damn scalpers...😤