AMD/ATi Evergreen - The new DirectX 11 cards set for September 10th

Hey,

Normally this should be in the PC hardware forums but I think this one deserved to be here. Why? Well this is not like a minor upgrade or a a spin-off of an excisting card. This is the ''next'' gen on the PC. DirectX 11.

Now I know you'll say that games can't really benefit from this unless they were build with DirectX 11 in mind, but there's always features that can patched or have little to do with programming (examples: Occlusion (patched), Anti-Alaising (hardware)). Ontop of all the new features the new cards are supposed to be beasts while they will being remaining very affordable.

Now for some information.

"According to a fresh report by Donanim Haber, AMD's next performance graphics accelerator, the Radeon HD 5870, codenamed "Cypress" is expected to be aggressively priced, at US $299. At that price, it intends to be highly competitive against GeForce GTX 285 from NVIDIA. The secret-sauce behind the price could be the 40 nm fab process on which the GPU is being built, which allows upping transistor counts while maintaining significantly smaller die-sizes compared to 55 nm.

There is a great deal of uncertainty surrounding the specifications of the GPU, including what level of performance with existing application could it end up offering. Some sources, such as ChipHell, which are one of the first to leak pictures of components related to various Evergreen family products claim the Cypress GPU to have an almost 100% increase in stream processor counts compared to RV770, while others remain conservative expecting it to be around 50%. With this kind of a pricing, Cypress could trigger market-wide changes in GPU pricing, if it ends up with a good price/performance ratio at $299.

Cypress is expected to be launched on 22 September, close to two weeks after the company unveils the Evergreen family of DirectX 11 compliant GPUs on September 10. Market availability is expected in October. In related news from the same report, the enthusiast-grade accelerator that uses two of these GPUs, codenamed "Hemlock", is expected to be out in November."

Source: http://www.cpu3d.com/news/8137-1/radeon-hd-5870-aggressively-priced/story.html

It won't take long before the prices drop. Just look at the HD4890 that started at 250$ and can already be found for 150$. Even at 299$ this is great value because you won't have to replace your card for years to come.

Here's a showcase of some DirectX 11 featureson QuakeCon 2009 - http://vimeo.com/6122205

So that's that, and now the waiting can begin.

gee, the best ATI can come up with is a card that can rival the GTX 285? Nvidia already has a GTX 295, which is more or less like a GTX 285 X2. ATI should really play a trump card to kick the GTX 295 out of the water. Nvidia is already on their way to a 300 series card.

gee, the best ATI can come up with is a card that can rival the GTX 285? Nvidia already has a GTX 295, which is more or less like a GTX 285 X2. ATI should really play a trump card to kick the GTX 295 out of the water. Nvidia is already on their way to a 300 series card.

jhcho2

gee, the best ATI can come up with is a card that can rival the GTX 285? Nvidia already has a GTX 295, which is more or less like a GTX 285 X2. ATI should really play a trump card to kick the GTX 295 out of the water. Nvidia is already on their way to a 300 series card.

jhcho2

It's priced to compete with the GTX285 to make the choice obvious. Cyppres is supposed to have the performance of HD4870 X2, then again these are rumours. We'll have to see.

Ontop Nvidia seems to be having alot of trouble with its new architecture.

Game developers cannot use DX 10 properly.Only one graphics king """Crysis"""" for PC.badtaker

What's sad is not even Crysis takes advantage of DX10, anyone who owns a PC powerful enough to try it out will know DX10 is nearly identical to DX9 on the same settings. There is little incentive to make DX10 "native" games because the install base is so poor, thanks partially to the negative opinion of Vista, so hopefully Windows 7 will finally get enough people to transfer over.

Anyway what I am looking forward to the most in DX11 is the compute shader, when that gets fully utilized it is going to change gaming.

gee, the best ATI can come up with is a card that can rival the GTX 285? Nvidia already has a GTX 295, which is more or less like a GTX 285 X2. ATI should really play a trump card to kick the GTX 295 out of the water.jhcho2

We still haven't seen performance benchmarks on these single-GPU solutions..so don't feel disappointed yet. The HD 5870 X2 is also coming out shortly after the 5870/5850.

Whether they'll "blow nVidia out of the water" remains to be seen. I really hope they do, as competition is only good for the consumer (cheaper, more powerful hardware for us.)

I'll wait for benchmarks.

i will support ATI over Nvidia. If nvidia crushes ATI then u can be sure that card prices won't be 299, but closer to like 400 for the low end and 900 for the high end. Not to mention the cards wont even be cutting edge any more, just minor upgrades with each new generation. Similar to EA and its madden franchise

DX10 was utter fail, im not buying into the hype again. Thanks MS for making it Vista only, we really couldve benefited from the increased performance but devs just didnt want to take the risk with everyone sticking to XP.-Pred-Alien-

DirectX 11 is much like Windows 7. DirectX11 is what DirectX10 was supposed to be, much like Windows 7 is how Vista was supposed to be. You can blame Nvidia for this because all they were falling back in tech so they refused to cooperate. Microsoft was then so stupid to start crapping features resulting in DirectX10 being crap.

Developers also look at what the average costumer does. Since Vista failed to sell the mass alot less people had DirectX10 since most stuck with XP. Now you see alot of people switching to Windows 7 (alot of satisfied people I might add), so naturally alot of people will have DirectX11.

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]DX10 was utter fail, im not buying into the hype again. Thanks MS for making it Vista only, we really couldve benefited from the increased performance but devs just didnt want to take the risk with everyone sticking to XP.CAPSROGUE

DirectX 11 is much like Windows 7. DirectX11 is what DirectX10 was supposed to be, much like Windows 7 is how Vista was supposed to be. You can blame Nvidia for this because all they were falling back in tech so they refused to cooperate. Microsoft was then so stupid to start crapping features resulting in DirectX10 being crap.

Developers also look at what the average costumer does. Since Vista failed to sell the mass alot less people had DirectX10 since most stuck with XP. Now you see alot of people switching to Windows 7 (alot of satisfied people I might add), so naturally alot of people will have DirectX11.

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]DX10 was utter fail, im not buying into the hype again. Thanks MS for making it Vista only, we really couldve benefited from the increased performance but devs just didnt want to take the risk with everyone sticking to XP.CAPSROGUE

DirectX 11 is much like Windows 7. DirectX11 is what DirectX10 was supposed to be, much like Windows 7 is how Vista was supposed to be. You can blame Nvidia for this because all they were falling back in tech so they refused to cooperate. Microsoft was then so stupid to start crapping features resulting in DirectX10 being crap.

Developers also look at what the average costumer does. Since Vista failed to sell the mass alot less people had DirectX10 since most stuck with XP. Now you see alot of people switching to Windows 7 (alot of satisfied people I might add), so naturally alot of people will have DirectX11.

I hope they do something about the size of these video cards. Every new card gets bigger. I could barely fit the current cards I have now in my machine. I like my Mid-Tower case and hope I don't have to buy a full tower just to be able to have room for video cards.

I hope they do something about the size of these video cards. Every new card gets bigger. I could barely fit the current cards I have now in my machine. I like my Mid-Tower case and hope I don't have to buy a full tower just to be able to have room for video cards.

sleepingzzz

I hope they do something about the size of these video cards. Every new card gets bigger. I could barely fit the current cards I have now in my machine. I like my Mid-Tower case and hope I don't have to buy a full tower just to be able to have room for video cards.

sleepingzzz

Yes, this is a good point. Another thing that bothers me is the power consumption of nowadays GPUs which seems to skyrocket.

[QUOTE="badtaker"]Game developers cannot use DX 10 properly.Only one graphics king """Crysis"""" for PC.AnnoyedDragon

What's sad is not even Crysis takes advantage of DX10, anyone who owns a PC powerful enough to try it out will know DX10 is nearly identical to DX9 on the same settings. There is little incentive to make DX10 "native" games because the install base is so poor, thanks partially to the negative opinion of Vista, so hopefully Windows 7 will finally get enough people to transfer over.

Anyway what I am looking forward to the most in DX11 is the compute shader, when that gets fully utilized it is going to change gaming.

[QUOTE="smokedagoodyo"][QUOTE="badtaker"]Game developers cannot use DX 10 properly.Only one graphics king """Crysis"""" for PC. All PC games grahics should be the level of crysis.johnny27

Yes, I had been playing crysis for awhile in DX9 with DX10 settings, but just yesterday I installed windows 7 and was able to use DX10 for the first time, and I must say, the added motion blur effects make the game look quite a bit better in motion.