America only 5% of PC Gaming sales?!

Sometimes not even that, people don't realize how big PC Gaming is in Europe..

THE WITCHER sold 40 thousand copies in America thus far, world wide it's over 1 million already.

Take a look at Germany's November numbers

Germany:
1 Crysis (PC)
2 Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
3 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PC)
4 Assassin's Creed (PS3)
5 Assassin's Creed (Xbox 360)
6 Crysis Collector's Edition (PC)
7 High School Musical: Sing it (PS2)
8 WWE Smackdown vs. RAW 2008 (PS2)
9 Unreal Tournament 3 (PC)
10 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PS3)

Crysis number 1, COD4 sold the best on PC. Germany isn't as big as America (just under 90 million) , but looking at this chart if gaming is as popular amongst the German population as it is in America this could mean Crysis is over half a million in sales in Germany alone...

AmericaBox360 doesnt fair well anywhere besides America and the UK .. both with identically shallow cultures imo ( and I am British ). .... they clone eachother and follow fads of most other countries from time to time.

Not that its relative to the topic other than how much alike they are ... but hey ....

360 has no chance of winning this generation, PC & Wii will, PS3 will overtake the 360 *possible* by the end of this gen.

I dont understand how lemmings can be so cocky, outside of shooters and multiplat RPGs , theres only 9 AAEs and 4 AAAEs ... thats not so great, 2008 looks, sure Wii looks worse games wise but its still selling like hotcakes meaning it may end up having tons of great games like the DS.

AmericaBox360 doesnt fair well anywhere besides America and the UK .. both with identically shallow cultures imo ( and I am British ). .... they clone eachother and follow fads of most other countries from time to time.

Not that its relative to the topic other than how much alike they are ... but hey ....

360 has no chance of winning this generation, PC & Wii will, PS3 will overtake the 360 *possible* by the end of this gen.

I dont understand how lemmings can be so cocky, outside of shooters and multiplat RPGs , theres only 9 AAEs and 4 AAAEs ... thats not so great, 2008 looks, sure Wii looks worse games wise but its still selling like hotcakes meaning it may end up having tons of great games like the DS.

PC360Wii

Wow, is everyone getting Crystal Balls for Christmas ? :roll:

The 360 has undeniably better games as a whole than any other system, besides the PC which has been around for 20 years :roll:

PC doesn't really "Win" anything, it's existence isn't decided on how it performs in the market, so it's inclusion is utterly baffling to me.

Unfortunately for Cows and Hermits, the market doesn't revolve around any of the following countries:

Albania
Andorra
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Belgium
Boznia and Herzgovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Faroe Islands
Finland
France
Georgia
Germany
Gilbraltar
Greece
Guernsey
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Italy
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Republic of Macedonia
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Montenegro
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
Ukraine
Vatican City

PC games sell horrible. IF it wasn't for hardware sales PC gaming would be dead. Why is hardware sales better than games sales? I'll let you figure that out.

PC games sell horrible. IF it wasn't for hardware sales PC gaming would be dead. Why is hardware sales better than games sales? I'll let you figure that out.

300pound_Ninja

.. Dare to back up some numbers with that? As well as the devolpers which recieve a minscule amount from such sales..

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AmericaBox360 doesnt fair well anywhere besides America and the UK .. both with identically shallow cultures imo ( and I am British ). .... they clone eachother and follow fads of most other countries from time to time.

Not that its relative to the topic other than how much alike they are ... but hey ....

360 has no chance of winning this generation, PC & Wii will, PS3 will overtake the 360 *possible* by the end of this gen.

I dont understand how lemmings can be so cocky, outside of shooters and multiplat RPGs , theres only 9 AAEs and 4 AAAEs ... thats not so great, 2008 looks, sure Wii looks worse games wise but its still selling like hotcakes meaning it may end up having tons of great games like the DS.

BambooBanger

Wow, is everyone getting Crystal Balls for Christmas ? :roll:

The 360 has undeniably better games as a whole than any other system, besides the PC which has been around for 20 years :roll:

PC doesn't really "Win" anything, it's existence isn't decided on how it performs in the market, so it's inclusion is utterly baffling to me.

Unfortunately for Cows and Hermits, the market doesn't revolve around any of the following countries:

Albania
Andorra
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Belgium
Boznia and Herzgovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Faroe Islands
Finland
France
Georgia
Germany
Gilbraltar
Greece
Guernsey
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Italy
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Republic of Macedonia
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Montenegro
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
Ukraine
Vatican City

And all those countries dont give a damn about the 360 or America for the large part ... what makes you any more correct?

and I said *Possible* so wheres the Crystal ball? If the PS3 sales are increaseing everywhere but america, if 2008 bodes well for the PS3 then it could easily take over eventually, thats prediction through logic, not crystal ball theory.

Bamboo, I think if you combine those countries, you get a substantial gaming population. Don't count out Europe simply because they're PC first, console second.

PC games sell horrible. IF it wasn't for hardware sales PC gaming would be dead. Why is hardware sales better than games sales? I'll let you figure that out.

300pound_Ninja

Yes, I suppose the Orange Box sold horribly. It's amazing that valve is even still producing games.

*sarcasm*

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PC games sell horrible. IF it wasn't for hardware sales PC gaming would be dead. Why is hardware sales better than games sales? I'll let you figure that out.

Night_stalker01

Yes, I suppose the Orange Box sold horribly. It's amazing that valve is even still producing games.

*sarcasm*

They make money for advertising Nvidia and Intel products not to mention from console ports.

[QUOTE="Night_stalker01"][QUOTE="300pound_Ninja"]

PC games sell horrible. IF it wasn't for hardware sales PC gaming would be dead. Why is hardware sales better than games sales? I'll let you figure that out.

300pound_Ninja

Yes, I suppose the Orange Box sold horribly. It's amazing that valve is even still producing games.

*sarcasm*

They make money for advertising Nvidia and Intel products not to mention from console ports.

Valve does not support NVIDIA or Intel, they support ATI. And Half-Life has sold 8 million copies on the PC to date, and Half-Life 2 has sold 4 million retail copies as of 2006, a lot more if you count Steam sales.

Well I think it's safe to say it's more than 5% in total. With some games like The Witcher which are specifically aimed at the European market that 5% might very well be true, but on the other hand there are propably games which have good sales in USA as well and/or bad sales in Europe.

It might also affect that Americans propably have better connections and possibly use services like Steam more to buy their games, which might also make it seem like they aren't bying PC games nearly as much as Europeans since only retail counts. But yeah it would seem like USA is becoming a console land like Japan.

5%? No.But I would say it's about 20% and decreasing. Even big titles sell better in Europe. Example: CnC3 has yet to reach 250K copies sold in US, ten months after game's release. While worldwide it passed million copies in mere two months.AdrianWerner

I can buy 20 percent, no more then that though.... I bet EA will announce Crysis sold a million before the end of January.

PC games sell horrible. IF it wasn't for hardware sales PC gaming would be dead. Why is hardware sales better than games sales? I'll let you figure that out.

300pound_Ninja

Because game publishers make a percentage off high level hardware...you cant pirate an 8800GT...so Crytek still gets your money even if you download their game...

[QUOTE="Night_stalker01"][QUOTE="300pound_Ninja"]

PC games sell horrible. IF it wasn't for hardware sales PC gaming would be dead. Why is hardware sales better than games sales? I'll let you figure that out.

300pound_Ninja

Yes, I suppose the Orange Box sold horribly. It's amazing that valve is even still producing games.

*sarcasm*

They make money for advertising Nvidia and Intel products not to mention from console ports.

hl2 (not ep1 or 2) has sold millions

It is probably 20% but European developers have their games sell VERY well in Europe. CD Projeckt, Crytek, etc. They are European based developers(Crytek based in Germany, CD Projeckt inPoland)and their games sell the most in Europe by far. I have already said that US Retail figures don't matter for PC gaming. Europe and Digital Distribution arethe majority and will continue to be the majority for a long time.horrowhip

Does that mean that the EU inhabits the most hardcore gamers? :o

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]It is probably 20% but European developers have their games sell VERY well in Europe. CD Projeckt, Crytek, etc. They are European based developers(Crytek based in Germany, CD Projeckt inPoland)and their games sell the most in Europe by far. I have already said that US Retail figures don't matter for PC gaming. Europe and Digital Distribution arethe majority and will continue to be the majority for a long time.Hexagon_777

Does that mean that the EU inhabits the most hardcore gamers? :o

maybe. Just look at attendance at GC or other tournaments... GC gets huge numbers of attendees. Tournaments get large numbers of visitors too.

Thing is, in terms of hardcore gamers, everywhere pales in comparison to Korea. Korean's may not be interested in many western games but the games they do like, they are fanatical about.

Wanna know how many people attended Blizzards Worldwide Invitational?

The OLYMPIC STADIUM was PACKED to the brim for the Starcraft 2 announcement. After the Olympic stadium was filled up, there were huge crowds outside the stadium watching a big screen. Then, there was the news coverage of it.

America doesent count for the world by far.

But its bigger than 5%. Much bigger.

Games can easily break the millions outside the states

Sometimes not even that, people don't realize how big PC Gaming is in Europe..

THE WITCHER sold 40 thousand copies in America thus far, world wide it's over 1 million already.

Take a look at Germany's November numbers

Germany:
1 Crysis (PC)
2 Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
3 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PC)
4 Assassin's Creed (PS3)
5 Assassin's Creed (Xbox 360)
6 Crysis Collector's Edition (PC)
7 High School Musical: Sing it (PS2)
8 WWE Smackdown vs. RAW 2008 (PS2)
9 Unreal Tournament 3 (PC)
10 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PS3)

Crysis number 1, COD4 sold the best on PC. Germany isn't as big as America (just under 90 million) , but looking at this chart if gaming is as popular amongst the German population as it is in America this could mean Crysis is over half a million in sales in Germany alone...

zipozal

As for broadband penetration, America is generally considered not as advanced as Korea and parts of Europe (where there has been a big push to wire up). Part of the problem, of course, is area. Wiring up a country like South Korea isn't all that difficult as, say, wiring up the state of Texas, which is itself larger than South Korea and (I think) about 90% rural. And getting good links between a city here (ie. Houston) and, say, Chicago, Illinois can't be cheap.

In America, it is all about marketing. And the marketing leader is Microsoft selling their Xbox to the American public (adolescent males and tweenty somethings).

AmericaBox360 doesnt fair well anywhere besides America and the UK .. both with identically shallow cultures imo ( and I am British ). .... they clone eachother and follow fads of most other countries from time to time.

Not that its relative to the topic other than how much alike they are ... but hey ....

360 has no chance of winning this generation, PC & Wii will, PS3 will overtake the 360 *possible* by the end of this gen.

PC360Wii

You talk as if PC is in the video games electronic war. It's Not. It'e never going to be. It's like sayign mobiles are competing with PSP/DS..maybe to a small extent because they play games.

America doesent count for the world by far.

But its bigger than 5%. Much bigger.

Games can easily break the millions outside the states

skrat_01

Not for console games(not easily anyway). America has the largest console market share..not just for Xbox but for PS3 and Wii.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

America doesent count for the world by far.

But its bigger than 5%. Much bigger.

Games can easily break the millions outside the states

Kratos_OMEGA

Not for console games(not easily anyway). America has the largest console market share..not just for Xbox but for PS3 and Wii.

But in other countries like Japan, they could have a smaller population but a higher percentage buys games.

PC Gaming = Europe.

At least when it comes to FPS games I believe :P

[QUOTE="Kratos_OMEGA"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

America doesent count for the world by far.

But its bigger than 5%. Much bigger.

Games can easily break the millions outside the states

skrat_01

Not for console games(not easily anyway). America has the largest console market share..not just for Xbox but for PS3 and Wii.

But in other countries like Japan, they could have a smaller population but a higher percentage buys games.

[QUOTE="Night_stalker01"][QUOTE="300pound_Ninja"]

PC games sell horrible. IF it wasn't for hardware sales PC gaming would be dead. Why is hardware sales better than games sales? I'll let you figure that out.

300pound_Ninja

Yes, I suppose the Orange Box sold horribly. It's amazing that valve is even still producing games.

*sarcasm*

They make money for advertising Nvidia and Intel products not to mention from console ports.

I guess I must have been blind when they were advertising ATI along with HL2's release... And packaging HD2900XT ATI cards along with the Black Box when that was still in production....

You must really know what you talk about!

Now excuse me, I gotta leave before I puke al over this thread because of your avatar and sig.. hope any of those aren't you!

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

AmericaBox360 doesnt fair well anywhere besides America and the UK .. both with identically shallow cultures imo ( and I am British ). .... they clone eachother and follow fads of most other countries from time to time.

Not that its relative to the topic other than how much alike they are ... but hey ....

360 has no chance of winning this generation, PC & Wii will, PS3 will overtake the 360 *possible* by the end of this gen.

Kratos_OMEGA

You talk as if PC is in the video games electronic war. It's Not. It'e never going to be. It's like sayign mobiles are competing with PSP/DS..maybe to a small extent because they play games.

PC as in Games Library, Wii as in sales.