An epiphany I had about using sales as ownage...

Here is the problem. Cows have been using sales to own the sheep for a long time and now that sheep have the sales they are trying to use it as well. What sheep seem to forget is that the PS and PS2 had a huge amount of AAA titles to back up those sales. It seems that the Wii and DS sell but their games have lower scores than the systems they are outselling.

Sale ownage only works if you have the game scores to back it up.

Discuss.

Games always come first. If the xbox had better games than the ps2 then I would have admitted it was the better system despite its low sales.

Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.DaysAirlines

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

So in other words, you want to detract from the success of the Wii and DS by using whatever loophole you can find.

In the grand scheme of things, console wars aren't won by game ratings, they are won by sales.

The Wii and DS are successes, no need for unnecessary provisos to wiggle out of the observation. 

Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.DaysAirlines

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.Tylendal

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

DS leads in sales.

PSP has more AA games.

Please explain how that factors into your "sales lead to good games" theory.

So in other words, you want to detract from the success of the Wii and DS by using whatever loophole you can find.

In the grand scheme of things, console wars aren't won by game ratings, they are won by sales.

The Wii and DS are successes, no need for unnecessary provisos to wiggle out of the observation. 

karicha9

So what good is a console to the consumer if it sells the most but doesn't have the best games?

Great for Nintendo. Bad for you but...you don't care as long as your favorite company gets your money?

You know, I never like using sales to claim "ownage". Can a Chevy Cavalier owner go up to someone who owns a Lotus and say, "Hey, I totally pwnd you when I bought this thing, because it sells so much more than your Lotus!"

Honestly.

but if you look at the sales amongst the current three consoles, it goes along with which one has the best games: 360>wii>ps3.  If you want to sit their and say lost sales due to high price doesn't count, you're being rediculouse.  The winning console has the highest VALUE to consumers.  That is the best games, the most appropriate conveniences, and the right price.  It's marketing strategies, and Nintendo is clearly beating Sony from the same starting line-- GET OVER IT.justdog11

What do I need to get over? I don't lose a thing, I'm going to have all three. I really don't care who sells the most. It doesn't effect me.

I agree the 360 has the best games right now. Im glad I have one so I can enjoy them. But it won't be number 1 for long.

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.Tylendal

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

Wrong. If that were true then the PSP should be outselling the DS, seeing as they are tied in AAA's and PSP has double the AA's. 

The DS has dozens of great titles out. :?

And its common knowledge that the developers were caught off guard on the Wii launch.

Companies such as EA has shifted the majority of their resources to the Wii from the PS3 for that reason. With that said, its going to take some time for devs to get up to speed on the Wii.

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[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.Bread_or_Decide

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

DS leads in sales.

PSP has more AA games.

Please explain how that factors into your "sales lead to good games" theory.

You mean all its PS2 ports and rehashes?  Thanks but DS has original quality games, not watered down PS2 junk 

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.Tylendal

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to GOOD games. FACT.

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[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.caje47

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

Wrong. If that were true then the PSP should be outselling the DS, seeing as they are tied in AAA's and PSP has double the AA's. 

[QUOTE="caje47"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.AvinashTyagi

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

Wrong. If that were true then the PSP should be outselling the DS, seeing as they are tied in AAA's and PSP has double the AA's.

DS = watered down N64 games. PSP = watered down PS2 games. You decide. 

You know, I never like using sales to claim "ownage". Can a Chevy Cavalier owner go up to someone who owns a Lotus and say, "Hey, I totally pwnd you when I bought this thing, because it sells so much more than your Lotus!"

Honestly.

musicalmac

Who says what games are good or not?mtcoola

[QUOTE="karicha9"]

So in other words, you want to detract from the success of the Wii and DS by using whatever loophole you can find.

In the grand scheme of things, console wars aren't won by game ratings, they are won by sales.

The Wii and DS are successes, no need for unnecessary provisos to wiggle out of the observation.

Bread_or_Decide

So what good is a console to the consumer if it sells the most but doesn't have the best games?

Great for Nintendo. Bad for you but...you don't care as long as your favorite company gets your money?

By the end of this gen, if the Wii sells drastically more than the other consoles, there will be a plethora of games on it, some will be masterpieces. Same thing for the DS. Of course, this is, as always, much to do with your gaming tastes.

However, the success of the DS has allowed many unique and interesting titles to be produced that I don't believe would have been present if the DS did not succeed. The same will happen for the Wii. To deny that both systems have good games is ludicrous.

[QUOTE="caje47"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.AvinashTyagi

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

Wrong. If that were true then the PSP should be outselling the DS, seeing as they are tied in AAA's and PSP has double the AA's.

At least sales are backed up by facts...the game sold alot, good for business, good for the console...doesnt affect your enjoyment, but it does help the company whose games you support

 All scores are just opinions, invalid to your actually enjoyment of the game...unless you like people deciding what is good for you...

Now if someone where to say sales are a gauge of how good a game is...they would be wrong.  It is however an accurate gauge of popularity and success...in which case it can be used

 Whether or not a game is highly rated or successful as no effect on your personal enjoyment (and if thats all you are basing your arguments on, you'll get crushed by any decent critic), but it does effect critical acclaim (scores) or popularity and money making (sales)

However neither are good guides to the real value of a game or personal enjoyment...those are solely yours to decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.AvinashTyagi

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

DS leads in sales.

PSP has more AA games.

Please explain how that factors into your "sales lead to good games" theory.

You mean all its PS2 ports and rehashes?  Thanks but DS has original quality games, not watered down PS2 junk 

So...all of those 7 and 6's and lack of AA's on the DS means that..its not full of junk titles? Seems to me like theirs more junk on the DS then their is on the PSP. Why would junk get a score of 8?

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.AvinashTyagi

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

DS leads in sales.

PSP has more AA games.

Please explain how that factors into your "sales lead to good games" theory.

You mean all its PS2 ports and rehashes? Thanks but DS has original quality games, not watered down PS2 junk

I personally dont count sports games for the systems. They usually get consistent AA scores year after year and the only real difference is the updated roster.

As for IP.  The DS has definitely the upperhand in AA games.  The PSP does have a lot of ported series from the consoles. 

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="caje47"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.muscleserge

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

Wrong. If that were true then the PSP should be outselling the DS, seeing as they are tied in AAA's and PSP has double the AA's.

That port argument really doesn't hold up anymore. PSP has enough non-ports to put that to rest.

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="caje47"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.caje47

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

Wrong. If that were true then the PSP should be outselling the DS, seeing as they are tied in AAA's and PSP has double the AA's.

DS = watered down N64 games. PSP = watered down PS2 games. You decide. 

Pheonix Wright was on the N64? Trauma Center?  Nintendogs?  Elite Beat Agents?  When was this?

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="caje47"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.muscleserge

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

Wrong. If that were true then the PSP should be outselling the DS, seeing as they are tied in AAA's and PSP has double the AA's.

The reason that the PS and PS2 had so many titles was because of the massive sales.  When a console sells well, developers will make more games for that system.psycotictaratua

DS has massive sales and the least amount of AA titles.

People keep saying that sales = good games but the DS disproves your theory almost instantly.

Phoenix Wright was on the GBA originally...=|

Change that to Hotel Dusk

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.Bread_or_Decide

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

DS leads in sales.

PSP has more AA games.

Please explain how that factors into your "sales lead to good games" theory.

You mean all its PS2 ports and rehashes?  Thanks but DS has original quality games, not watered down PS2 junk 

So...all of those 7 and 6's and lack of AA's on the DS means that..its not full of junk titles? Seems to me like theirs more junk on the DS then their is on the PSP. Why would junk get a score of 8?

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="caje47"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.Bread_or_Decide

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

Wrong. If that were true then the PSP should be outselling the DS, seeing as they are tied in AAA's and PSP has double the AA's.

That port argument really doesn't hold up anymore. PSP has enough non-ports to put that to rest.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.AvinashTyagi

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

DS leads in sales.

PSP has more AA games.

Please explain how that factors into your "sales lead to good games" theory.

You mean all its PS2 ports and rehashes?  Thanks but DS has original quality games, not watered down PS2 junk 

So...all of those 7 and 6's and lack of AA's on the DS means that..its not full of junk titles? Seems to me like theirs more junk on the DS then their is on the PSP. Why would junk get a score of 8?

Funny you don't seem to mind them so much on the Wii.

Ugh good games are an opinion...I, and a majority of gamers, could care less if a game is A or AA...if its fun, its a good game...

Neither success or scores make a good game...is completely subjective

There are games most people would admit to being good games (what the criteria for that is, I dont know) but thats still subjective and possibly fallacious

[QUOTE="psycotictaratua"]The reason that the PS and PS2 had so many titles was because of the massive sales.  When a console sells well, developers will make more games for that system.Bread_or_Decide

DS has massive sales and the least amount of AA titles.

People keep saying that sales = good games but the DS disproves your theory almost instantly.

Nah, PSP just has a lot more ports than the DS 

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="caje47"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.AvinashTyagi

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

Wrong. If that were true then the PSP should be outselling the DS, seeing as they are tied in AAA's and PSP has double the AA's.

That port argument really doesn't hold up anymore. PSP has enough non-ports to put that to rest.

Xbox 360 has the games and the sales >>>>>>>>>> Wii and PS3

Wii in a few months will have bigger sales, at the rate its going, but the 3rd party games, mostly, will be utter crap.

I agree with TC. Varied Game library, backed up by sales, pretty much defines a great console.  

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.Bread_or_Decide

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

DS leads in sales.

PSP has more AA games.

Please explain how that factors into your "sales lead to good games" theory.

You mean all its PS2 ports and rehashes?  Thanks but DS has original quality games, not watered down PS2 junk 

So...all of those 7 and 6's and lack of AA's on the DS means that..its not full of junk titles? Seems to me like theirs more junk on the DS then their is on the PSP. Why would junk get a score of 8?

Funny you don't seem to mind them so much on the Wii.

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="caje47"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.muscleserge

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

Wrong. If that were true then the PSP should be outselling the DS, seeing as they are tied in AAA's and PSP has double the AA's.

That port argument really doesn't hold up anymore. PSP has enough non-ports to put that to rest.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.AvinashTyagi

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

DS leads in sales.

PSP has more AA games.

Please explain how that factors into your "sales lead to good games" theory.

You mean all its PS2 ports and rehashes?  Thanks but DS has original quality games, not watered down PS2 junk 

So...all of those 7 and 6's and lack of AA's on the DS means that..its not full of junk titles? Seems to me like theirs more junk on the DS then their is on the PSP. Why would junk get a score of 8?

Funny you don't seem to mind them so much on the Wii.

You sure? LOL better go check that list of DS, PS2, and even gamecube ports. The Wii is the king of ports this gen. You should totally hate it considering how much you hate it on the PSP.

Hypocrite of the worst kind.

None of those games are rehashes...they are completely new entries in their series...

 Please learn the difference between a sequel and a rehash >_>

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="caje47"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Wrong. Sales and ratings haven't matter since the PS3 launched. FACT.AvinashTyagi

Wrong. Sales lead to games, which lead to good games. FACT.

Wrong. If that were true then the PSP should be outselling the DS, seeing as they are tied in AAA's and PSP has double the AA's.

That port argument really doesn't hold up anymore. PSP has enough non-ports to put that to rest.