Analysts: 360 in trouble, Wii is a fad, PlayStation has loyal gamers

http://ps3.qj.net/Analysts-360-in-trouble-Wii-is-a-fad-PlayStation-has-loyal-gamers/pg/49/aid/120955

Whats your opinion? do the Analysts pradictions hold any water?

I can agree with the wii being a fad, but no so much the 360 being in trouble

I don't think the 360 is in trouble, I been having the most fun with it out of the three consoles. I also don't think the Wii is a Fad. The Wii been selling like hotcakes since it came out, I still think it is selling out, and often outsells both the PS3 and 360 combined in the NPD numbers.

the wii is not a fad and the 360 not in trouble

p.s Game analysts have no idea what their talking about

Funny the system is still selling out for over a year and a half. Yet it still called a fad. There is a point where fads become main stream. The Wii would have pasted that point by now. HarlockJC

And there's a point where you stop thinking that the shortages are due to crazy sales and moreso to do with Nintendo messing up the production or purposely holding units back.

I could go to 10 retailers in my area and none would have Wii Fit. Does that mean Wii Fit is the best thing to ever happen to gaming? No. Just means Nintendo can't even match whatever demand there is, big or small.

Do they hire these guys off the streets or what?

Do they even know anything about what happened in past generations?

Guess not. :roll:

lets see

The wii is fad? a fad that has been going for 2 years and is selling faster then the PS2 at its time?

Status: proven false

PS3 has loyal gamers.... and the 360 and the Wii dont? if the PS3 has so many loyal gamers then why is in last place in sales? perhaps because its competition also has its fair share

Status: true but a stupid comment

360 in trouble... selling faster then its predecessor, its game library destroys its predecessor, its been turning in a profit since Q3 last year its predecessor only turned in a profit for two Qs during its entire lifetime

Status: False

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]Funny the system is still selling out for over a year and a half. Yet it still called a fad. There is a point where fads become main stream. The Wii would have pasted that point by now. The_Crucible

And there's a point where you stop thinking that the shortages are due to crazy sales and moreso to do with Nintendo messing up the production or purposely holding units back.

I could go to 10 retailers in my area and none would have Wii Fit. Does that mean Wii Fit is the best thing to ever happen to gaming? No. Just means Nintendo can't even match whatever demand there is, big or small.

Nintendo has confirmed that they will be moving from 1.6 million systems a month to 2.3 million systems a month.

NIntendo is not holding back Wii they are losing millions due to the fact they are not able to keep up. I mean think about it 2.3 million systems a month. Not even Nintendo though the Wii would sell this fast. I sure they would have expected a slow down by now.

I'd say these 'analysts' sound like they are in Sony's pocket trying to garner some support in the wall street sector. Saying that the 360 is in trouble when its the biggest cash cow for EA, Ubisoft, & Activision -- the 3 largest publishers in the world, is just moronic.

Saying that the Wii is a fad might be true, but what relevance does this have when it comes to Nintendo's ability to print money?

The only thing in common with these analyst comments is that they try to make Sony look successful while making Microsoft & Nintendo's future look uncertain. The things Sony will do to earn investor $$$ and marketshare has sunk to new lows.

Then again, in their position, thats the best they can hope for.

roflcopter

give it up cows. No matter what analysts say the PS3 is a third place failure

I don't think they are saying the wii is a fad in-terms of sales but in-terms of getting used because it is bought by casual gamers.

my cousin had bought a wii at launch and got three games with it, he still only has 3 games for it a year later. and he was only willing to wipe the dust of the wii for "wii fit" that he has not been able to get anywhere.

I think in my cousin's case it is a fad that he can go back to every few years or when he has a party.

roflcopter

give it up cows. No matter what analysts say the PS3 is a third place failure

vicmackey39

and no matter how much you will hate to see it, PS3 will not be last by the end of the gen. I guess that both consoles doing well makes you're blood boil as a gamer... :roll:

most of the time I just ignore you're blatant troll/fanboy one liners, but get a grip!

PS3 supporters have been sh!t on by Sony. I can't defend them anymore, I give up, I will fight no more forever. I still won't buy a 360 until its confirmed that the Jasper revision is out.mbrockway

i second everything you said

Fads don't usually last for 2 years and sell almost 30 million units. The 360 is hardly "in trouble" but it will be the loser in terms of install base. God, who even cares? Analysts never get anything right.Floppy_Jim

Boy bands were a Fad that gained popularity in the early to mid 90s but burned out in the early to mid 2000's. Thats more than 2 years, and the highest grossing boy band Backstreet boys, pushed over 100 million cd copys. combined the top 5 boy bands (BB, New kids on the block, nsync, westlife and take that) sold over 300 million. Fads can last a long time and can push product like nobody's business.

PS3 has loyal gamers.... and the 360 and the Wii dont? if the PS3 has so many loyal gamers then why is in last place in sales? perhaps because its competition also has its fair share

Status: true but a stupid comment

360 in trouble... selling faster then its predecessor, its game library destroys its predecessor, its been turning in a profit since Q3 last year its predecessor only turned in a profit for two Qs during its entire lifetime

Status: False

st1ka

The only reason PS3 is in last place for sales is due to MS having the 360 alone for a year. 360 hasn't outsold a single compettitor since the competition launched. Unless you widdle it down to onepro-360 region. And the 360 is expected to drop to third, total, here within the next year or so.

You failed.

Then you get into 360/xbox profit? :lol: I love when people do this. It's called hiding losses in fiscal years. If you do any kind of looking into this, you'll see, overall, they are not turning the profits you think they are. They were able to dump a billion in RRoD losses into the 2006/2007 fiscal year and look nice and clear for 2007/2008's fiscal year.

Again, you failed.

I love this. We get multiple analysts all pointing the same direction. Each time one is quoted we hear "What do they know. Nice crystal ball." to counter the claims. But when you start to have all of these people in agreeance, you better start paying attention.

There's a reason they get paid to give their opinion. And it isn't because they are biased, ignorant, or just making it up.

Think about it, people.

and no matter how much you will hate to see it, PS3 will not be last by the end of the gen. I guess that both consoles doing well makes you're blood boil as a gamer... :roll:

most of the time I just ignore you're blatant troll/fanboy one liners, but get a grip!

FragTycoon

second place for life dawg!!

Sure the 360 will always have better softrware sales and better games and sure the PS3 is losing support on a daily basis mand selling worse than the gamecube but soo it'll be in second place!

Sounds like the same thing they said last year.

And the year before.

And there's a point where you stop thinking that the shortages are due to crazy sales and moreso to do with Nintendo messing up the production or purposely holding units back.

I could go to 10 retailers in my area and none would have Wii Fit. Does that mean Wii Fit is the best thing to ever happen to gaming? No. Just means Nintendo can't even match whatever demand there is, big or small.

The_Crucible

1. the fact that the wii is the fastest selling console ever doesn't fit with your belief that they are causing an artificial shortage.

2. you could go to 10 retailers after the release of GH3 and have a hard time finding it. of course games with bundled hardware will be in less stock than games that are just a disc.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

PS3 has loyal gamers.... and the 360 and the Wii dont? if the PS3 has so many loyal gamers then why is in last place in sales? perhaps because its competition also has its fair share

Status: true but a stupid comment

360 in trouble... selling faster then its predecessor, its game library destroys its predecessor, its been turning in a profit since Q3 last year its predecessor only turned in a profit for two Qs during its entire lifetime

Status: False

The_Crucible

The only reason PS3 is in last place for sales is due to MS having the 360 alone for a year. 360 hasn't outsold a single compettitor since the competition launched. Unless you widdle it down to onepro-360 region. And the 360 is expected to drop to third, total, here within the next year or so.

You failed.

it is sonys fault for launching its console so late in to the game, whether or not the console will drop in third we will see

Then you get into 360/xbox profit? :lol: I love when people do this. It's called hiding losses in fiscal years. If you do any kind of looking into this, you'll see, overall, they are not turning the profits you think they are. They were able to dump a billion in RRoD losses into the 2006/2007 fiscal year and look nice and clear for 2007/2008's fiscal year.

Again, you failed.

The_Crucible

so in other words you have no idea how a company functions

I love this. We get multiple analysts all pointing the same direction. Each time one is quoted we hear "What do they know. Nice crystal ball." to counter the claims. But when you start to have all of these people in agreeance, you better start paying attention.

There's a reason they get paid to give their opinion. And it isn't because they are biased, ignorant, or just making it up.

Think about it, people.

The_Crucible

like they said the PS3 would dominate once it was launched? or how the wii would stop selling after 2008?

yeah i think im going to take these predictions with a pinch of salt

i would say "you fail" but then again that is just a poor flamebait created by people that can´t add a constructive remark on a thread

I don't think they are saying the wii is a fad in-terms of sales but in-terms of getting used because it is bought by casual gamers.

my cousin had bought a wii at launch and got three games with it, he still only has 3 games for it a year later. and he was only willing to wipe the dust of the wii for "wii fit" that he has not been able to get anywhere.

I think in my cousin's case it is a fad that he can go back to every few years or when he has a party.

anthonydwyer

There cases like that for every system that ever came out.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

and no matter how much you will hate to see it, PS3 will not be last by the end of the gen. I guess that both consoles doing well makes you're blood boil as a gamer... :roll:

most of the time I just ignore you're blatant troll/fanboy one liners, but get a grip!

vicmackey39

second place for life dawg!!

Sure the 360 will always have better softrware sales and better games and sure the PS3 is losing support on a daily basis mand selling worse than the gamecube but soo it'll be in second place!

(1)Wii - (2)PS3 - (3)360 by the end of next year... I'm glad we have a understanding... dawg! ;)

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]Funny the system is still selling out for over a year and a half. Yet it still called a fad. There is a point where fads become main stream. The Wii would have pasted that point by now. The_Crucible

And there's a point where you stop thinking that the shortages are due to crazy sales and moreso to do with Nintendo messing up the production or purposely holding units back.

I could go to 10 retailers in my area and none would have Wii Fit. Does that mean Wii Fit is the best thing to ever happen to gaming? No. Just means Nintendo can't even match whatever demand there is, big or small.

Then you get into 360/xbox profit? :lol: I love when people do this. It's called hiding losses in fiscal years. If you do any kind of looking into this, you'll see, overall, they are not turning the profits you think they are. They were able to dump a billion in RRoD losses into the 2006/2007 fiscal year and look nice and clear for 2007/2008's fiscal year. Again, you failed. The_Crucible

What you said is not hiding losses, it is actually called "sunk cost" every quarter starts fresh, microsoft did not dump one billion, they created a provision last year, meaning that every RROD direct or inderectly will be taken from said provision, in fact it is quite possible that by the time the xbox 720 comes they might have a profit from that 1 billion, you see if by the time all is said and done microsoft only uses 800 million out of the 1 billion then the other 200 million are by all acountacy means considered a gain

you talk as if you knew what you are talking about, but what microsoft is doing is actually quite common and every company does it, the way you said it however only proves that you have no knowledge on how a company works

oh and by the way it takes a big set of brass balls to set a provision up, most companys refuse to do it because you can not deduct taxes of them most of the times and it reduces the companys profits thereby angering its investors. However standard acountancy demands one is created for events such as this, but many companys refuse to do so, so if anything microsoft did not hide anything they were actually man enough to accept their mistake. The reward they get from this is that no matter how many RROD they get they will not count it as a loss because it is already part of a 2006 loss meaning that it is quite possible like i said earlier that they might have some money left over from the provision, which would then result in a gain, or profit

Then you get into 360/xbox profit? :lol: I love when people do this. It's called hiding losses in fiscal years. If you do any kind of looking into this, you'll see, overall, they are not turning the profits you think they are. They were able to dump a billion in RRoD losses into the 2006/2007 fiscal year and look nice and clear for 2007/2008's fiscal year.

Again, you failed.The_Crucible

Every fiscal year the company starts over, unless they couldn't pay for the losses and had to take out loans. They are not hiding anything you can look back on the past fiscal years and see the loss, but that doesn't matter in the current fiscal year becasue the losses are paid off.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]Then you get into 360/xbox profit? :lol: I love when people do this. It's called hiding losses in fiscal years. If you do any kind of looking into this, you'll see, overall, they are not turning the profits you think they are. They were able to dump a billion in RRoD losses into the 2006/2007 fiscal year and look nice and clear for 2007/2008's fiscal year.

Again, you failed.Chaos_HL21

Every fiscal year the company starts over, unless they couldn't pay for the losses and had to take out loans. They are not hiding anything you can look back on the past fiscal years and see the loss, but that doesn't matter in the current fiscal year becasue the losses are paid off.

the problem is that most people dont know what a provision is, in acountancy terms just the mere fact that microsoft created a provision shows that they are not hiding it, but doing just the oposite they are taking responsability, just as people talk about programing without the least bit of knowledge about in thos forum they do the same with economic previsions

wii shows all the signs of a fad, for casuals this would be ok but by 3rd party support alone any hardcore gamer is getting shortchanged by this fiasco of a console.

A million retro-rehashes later and there hasn't been a single game on the wii as innovative as Flow on PS3. Sixaxis is lame with motion sensing and everyone knows it, but this one tiny game that has no recognition beyond PSN users feels infinitely more immersive than the laser-pen style gameplay shovled onto the wii (and with graphics that could be acheived on the wii, its embarassing Nintendo).

Why don't analysts look out of the window on a Monday morning??

Cuz they would have nothing else to do for the rest of the week.

The only thing about that statement that is correct is that the PS3 has loyal gamers. Trouble is nobody owns JUST a PS3 anymore, they either have all 3, a Wii, or a 360 as well.TheSystemLord1

Not necessarily true. I know quite a few PS3 owners with PS3's only. I even know some (believe it or not, most wont believe it here in SW) I have a friend who sold his 360 after over a year of use and bought a PS3.

If anything, I think it's the Wii that goes hand-in-hand with another console for older gamers.

But then I could be generalizing like you just did.

It's really hard to say. All we have to go on is what we see. Even a wide-spread poll wouldn't really give us the complete picture.

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"]The only thing about that statement that is correct is that the PS3 has loyal gamers. Trouble is nobody owns JUST a PS3 anymore, they either have all 3, a Wii, or a 360 as well.The_Crucible

Not necessarily true. I know quite a few PS3 owners with PS3's only. I even know some (believe it or not, most wont believe it here in SW) I have a friend who sold his 360 after over a year of use and bought a PS3.

If anything, I think it's the Wii that goes hand-in-hand with another console for older gamers.

But then I could be generalizing like you just did.

It's really hard to say. All we have to go on is what we see. Even a wide-spread poll wouldn't really give us the complete picture.

nice to see you didnt even bothered answering to my provision speach

Funny the system is still selling out for over a year and a half. Yet it still called a fad. There is a point where fads become main stream. The Wii would have pasted that point by now. HarlockJC

Fads don't usually last for 2 years and sell almost 30 million units. The 360 is hardly "in trouble" but it will be the loser in terms of install base. God, who even cares? Analysts never get anything right.Floppy_Jim

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"]The only thing about that statement that is correct is that the PS3 has loyal gamers. Trouble is nobody owns JUST a PS3 anymore, they either have all 3, a Wii, or a 360 as well.The_Crucible

Not necessarily true. I know quite a few PS3 owners with PS3's only. I even know some (believe it or not, most wont believe it here in SW) I have a friend who sold his 360 after over a year of use and bought a PS3.

If anything, I think it's the Wii that goes hand-in-hand with another console for older gamers.

But then I could be generalizing like you just did.

It's really hard to say. All we have to go on is what we see. Even a wide-spread poll wouldn't really give us the complete picture.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]Then you get into 360/xbox profit? :lol: I love when people do this. It's called hiding losses in fiscal years. If you do any kind of looking into this, you'll see, overall, they are not turning the profits you think they are. They were able to dump a billion in RRoD losses into the 2006/2007 fiscal year and look nice and clear for 2007/2008's fiscal year. Again, you failed. st1ka

What you said is not hiding losses, it is actually called "sunk cost" every quarter starts fresh, microsoft did not dump one billion, they created a provision last year, meaning that every RROD direct or inderectly will be taken from said provision, in fact it is quite possible that by the time the xbox 720 comes they might have a profit from that 1 billion, you see if by the time all is sad and done microsoft only uses 800 million out of the 1 billion then the other 200 billion are by all acountacy means considered a gain

you talk as if you knew what you are talking about, but what microsoft is doing is actually quite common and every company does it, the way you said it however only proves that you have no knowledge on how a company works

oh and by the way it takes a big set of brass balls to set a provision up, most companys refuse to do it because you can not deduct them most of the times and it reduces the companys profits thereby angering its investors. However standard acountancy demands this is made, so if anything microsoft did not hide anything they were actually man enough to accept their mistake. The reward no matter how many RROD they get they will not count it as a loss because it is already part of a 2006 loss meaning that it is quite possible like i said earlier that they might have some money left over from the provision, which would then result in a gain, or profit

Whether a quarter or a fiscal year starts fresh doesn't mean profit. That's all i was saying. It seems to me a lot of pro-MS people like to widdle down the discussed time frame of finances to make things look better.

There were people ranting and raving about MS making a profit in the quarter directly after the billion was tucked away. It's humorous.

And I am not downing MS for "provisioning" the billion. I give MS kudos for stepping up on their mistakes. It is quite rare and it does take big balls to do what they did. If you thought I was saying otherwise, we did not communicate very well.

And you make the point of "if" the RRoD losses end up being less than predicted, it could be used as profit. Sure, if that happened. But what if the predictions were under what was needed? What then?

And it was actually 1.9 billion in losses for the fiscal 2007. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/20/xbox-division-has-1-9-billion-loss-blame-red-rings/

And here is what MS tells us they were going to do this year to overcome the issues. Tell me if you think they are accomplishing these points to the extent that they are covering the losses.
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/04/mss-robbie-bach-xbox-360-to-be-profitable-next-year/

• Software, both first-party games and third-party title through royalties
  
• Xbox Live: Bach relates this to an amalgam of subscription, ad-based, and download-based business models.
  
• Peripherals (e.g. camera, controllers)
  

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]Funny the system is still selling out for over a year and a half. Yet it still called a fad. There is a point where fads become main stream. The Wii would have pasted that point by now. The_Crucible

And there's a point where you stop thinking that the shortages are due to crazy salesand moreso to do with Nintendo messing up the production or purposely holding units back.

I could go to 10 retailers in my area and none would have Wii Fit. Does that mean Wii Fit is the best thing to ever happen to gaming? No. Just means Nintendo can't even match whatever demand there is, big or small.

So the Wii is outselling the PS3 and 360 combined with shortages? Damn MS and Sony are in more trouble then I prevoiusly thought.

There are shortages because the demand > supply.

http://ps3.qj.net/Analysts-360-in-trouble-Wii-is-a-fad-PlayStation-has-loyal-gamers/pg/49/aid/120955

Whats your opinion? do the Analysts pradictions hold any water?

I can agree with the wii being a fad, but no so much the 360 being in trouble

anthonydwyer

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Fads don't usually last for 2 years and sell almost 30 million units. The 360 is hardly "in trouble" but it will be the loser in terms of install base. God, who even cares? Analysts never get anything right.Truth-slayer

I stand corrected. But it should be clear to everyone that the Wii is not a fad, I have to wonder what these analysts are smoking.