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#1 mjarantilla
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I've been playing Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions on my PSP, and I'm thoroughly impressed with the story so far (I'm not that far in, though). Or rather, the story presentation. Sometimes I feel like I'm reading a novel. This is distinctly different from how I felt with many of the newer Final Fantasy games, which felt rather....fake. War of the Lions feels very much like history to me, because the world doesn't feel like it begins and ends with the characters the way the other recent FFs do.

I've encountered very few RPGs with worlds that feel genuine. Most of the time, the world feels entirely contrived, like the world was designed entirely to justify a single plot point or a single game mechanic.

I wonder, are there any other RPGs, western or Japanese, that have what I'd call "historic" storylines? Storylines that try to embed themselves as only a part of a long and complex history, rather than trying to make your party of characters the be-all-end-all of the in-game world all the time? You see it in fantasy novels all the time, where authors write stories which, while still epic, also feel like they are only a small part of a much larger world. It's what makes them so compelling.

KotOR manages this pretty well, but only because the Star Wars universe has a long history that BioWare wasn't allowed to manipulate or define. The Elder Scrolls series attempts it, but since the story writers at Bethesda are pretty bad, they don't succeed very often.

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#2 Squeets
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Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion...
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#3 saolin323
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Lost Odyssey has the best story line in a game ever for me, and Mass Effect story is stunning too
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#4 soulsofblayck
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I know what you're saying, which is why I stopped playing Lost Odyssey as it became the cliche "supergroup with two annoying children saving the world" if that's what you were getting at.
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#5 mjarantilla
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Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion...Squeets

Is that supposed to be a joke?

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Lost Odyssey has the best story line in a game ever for me, and Mass Effect story is stunning toosaolin323

Lost Odyssey is the exact opposite of what the guy is looking for.

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[QUOTE="saolin323"]Lost Odyssey has the best story line in a game ever for me, and Mass Effect story is stunning toosoulsofblayck

Lost Odyssey is the exact opposite of what the guy is looking for.

I can forgive a cliched save-the-world plot if the characters are great, which I heard Lost Odyssey does really well, but yeah, that's not what I'm in the mood for right now.

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#8 Squeets
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[QUOTE="Squeets"]Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion...mjarantilla

Is that supposed to be a joke?

No... it is an RPG with a good story...

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Fallout 1+2
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Squeets"]Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion...Squeets

Is that supposed to be a joke?

No... it is an RPG with a good story...

It's more of a free roam adventure game with a mediocre story

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#11 soulsofblayck
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[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]

[QUOTE="saolin323"]Lost Odyssey has the best story line in a game ever for me, and Mass Effect story is stunning toomjarantilla

Lost Odyssey is the exact opposite of what the guy is looking for.

I can forgive a cliched save-the-world plot if the characters are great, which I heard Lost Odyssey does really well, but yeah, that's not what I'm in the mood for right now.

The characters were great until you met the two whiner kids which made me so fed up that I stopped at the beginning of Disc 4.

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Star wars KOTOR, Boulder's gate I and II, I also Liked Suikoden II storyline goodluck finding a copy tho
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#13 II_Seraphim_II
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Well, here are my games that I think have fantastic stories:

Fallout 1

Fallout 2

Final Fantasy VII

Final Fantasy X

Chrono Trigger

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#14 mjarantilla
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Star wars KOTOR, Boulder's gate I and II, I also Liked Suikoden II storyline goodluck finding a copy thoAnthonydaking

Oooh, Suikoden. I remember enjoying the first one, yet somehow I keep forgetting about it. :P

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Star wars KOTOR, Boulder's gate I and II, I also Liked Suikoden II storyline goodluck finding a copy thoAnthonydaking

So true...But if you think Suikoden II is hard to find, try finding Xenogears.

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Squeets"]Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion...Squeets

Is that supposed to be a joke?

No... it is an RPG with a good story...

Well, we clearly have different ideas of what constitutes a good story, sooo........

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#17 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="Squeets"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Squeets"]Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion...mjarantilla

Is that supposed to be a joke?

No... it is an RPG with a good story...

Well, we clearly have different ideas of what constitutes a good story, sooo........

Im sorry buy Oblivion has worst story ever.... he storytelling is bad and the overall story itself is mediocre.

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#18 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="Anthonydaking"]Star wars KOTOR, Boulder's gate I and II, I also Liked Suikoden II storyline goodluck finding a copy thoII_Seraphim_II

So true...But if you think Suikoden II is hard to find, try finding Xenogears.

They're not that hard to find.

BEHOLD! Suikoden II and Xenogears!

:P

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Lost Odyssey has a kind of historic storyline considering most of the characters have lived 1000 years, you get to see there dreams which tell you alot about there past events which happened over the course of 1000 years. Although it's only text, there very good reads, they might even make you cry. And theres a lot of them aswell.
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Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 are really good for that.
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#21 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

[QUOTE="Anthonydaking"]Star wars KOTOR, Boulder's gate I and II, I also Liked Suikoden II storyline goodluck finding a copy thomjarantilla

So true...But if you think Suikoden II is hard to find, try finding Xenogears.

They're not that hard to find.

BEHOLD! Suikoden II and Xenogears!

:P

we meant brand new :P

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#22 Galgaros
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I'd have to agree with what they are saying about Lost Odyssey, the game is more about the characters to me than the story. And yes the two kids in LO have to be some of the dumbest kids whether real or virtual, I need to write Mistwalker and tell them to leave children out of the damn games.
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#23 Twili
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I'd say Mass Effect. Very good, "sophisticated" plot. Although it doesn't really feel like they created a universe and then created a story in it, but rather the other way around. Still it's a very good game.
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Final Fantasy X was pretty damn amazing in storyline.
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#25 UDA1983
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You should try out The Legend of Dragoon (PS1), although I'm sure their are other RPG's that match your interest as stated by others you should definetely give it a try, the game is cheap too, you can probally find it new for $10. If you do try it, get to at least the 2nd disk even if you find the first few hours of the 1st disk somewhat lacking, it picks up.
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#26 Omnisystem
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Go play any Final Fantasy from 1-10. Also Xeno Gears, Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross.
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Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3, Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 1&2, Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne, Suikoden III, Xenosaga Episode III, Shadow Hearts: Covenant all have excellent stories.

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#28 Zerostatic0
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Go play any Final Fantasy from 1-10. Also Xeno Gears, Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross.Omnisystem
Final Fantasy 1, 2, & 3 have like almost no storylines. It wasn't until Final Fantasy IV where they started to have involved storylines.
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#29 killadread
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You said "any" so I'ma go with one that's probably the oldest, but I consider this the best RPG I've ever played.

Flashback: Quest for Identity

simply amazing story and game to the end. if you have some extra change get you a Sega Genisis or SNES and find this game. As far a sophisticated storylines go, it's story line is only second to MGS2, a story that most people don't comprehend to this day.

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#30 naval
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Planescape Torment : it doesn't gets any better than that
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If you don't mind delving into the world of non-pure RPGs, you should REALLY try out Deus Ex. That game, IMO, has one of the best stories ever told in the world of video gaming...
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#32 PBSnipes
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STALKER, while not strictly an RPG, has a great story/setting much like what you described.
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#33 Anti-Gamer
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FFXII? It's using FF:tatics world.
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FFXII? It's using FF:tatics world. Anti-Gamer

Crappy Star Wars clone' story.

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#35 householdman
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ANY game based on a/D&D has MEGA huge out of game history, they are based on worlds that have been fleshed out in countless novels, tabletop campaigns, and other video games.

I suggest you go read R.A Salvatores Dark Elf Trilogy, Icewind Dale Trilogy, and the Legend of the Drow series and play BGII, you will be in for a suprise when you get out of the underdark ;)
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Well personally Crisis Core seems to have a pretty solid storyline without the need of even playing FF7. Seriously I was stunned how well it respected the FF7 story, and yet the new content is crazy.

But FF Tactics takes the title, you will hardly find a rpg that has better story than tactic.

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Lost Odyssey has the best story line in a game ever for me, and Mass Effect story is stunning toosaolin323

if LO is the best you must not have played a lot of games, I guess

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#38 householdman
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Well personally Crisis Core seems to have a pretty solid storyline without the need of even playing FF7. Seriously I was stunned how well it respected the FF7 story, and yet the new content is crazy.

But FF Tactics takes the title, you will hardly find a rpg that has better story than tactic.

haris12121212

I would argue (And I'm sure MANY veterans of the blackisle iso rpg era will agree) Planescape: Torment's story pwns any other in cRPGs.. Opinion of course.

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[QUOTE="saolin323"]Lost Odyssey has the best story line in a game ever for me, and Mass Effect story is stunning tooejstrup

if LO is the best you must not have played a lot of games, I guess

He doesnt mean it, if you havnt noticed the only games he ever praises is the ones on 360... even if he HAS played better rpgs from the past, hes just fanboy advertising the 360 to the extreme.

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#40 deactivated-6075a5c511e8b
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Mass Effect.
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Mass Effect has one of...if not the best...story of any game I've ever played.
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KoTOR, Final Fantasy XII, Suikoden, Advance Wars: Days of Ruin, Xenogears, Persona 2 and 3

Mass Effect has one of...if not the best...story of any game I've ever played.killab2oo5

Agreed. The novel was decent too.

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KoTOR, Final Fantasy XII, Suikoden, Advance Wars: Days of Ruin, Xenogears, Persona 2 and 3

Mass Effect has one of...if not the best...story of any game I've ever played.killab2oo5

Agreed. The novel was decent too.

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Lost Odyssey starts off good but Begin's to follow one of the biggest JRPG cliches. Stop the evil wizard from destroy/taking over the world btw he has a big god complex. Also this time yur not teenagers you''re adults. I say try XenoGears if you can find a copy of it,Mass Effect, Vagrant Story, Persona 2(PSX)
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#45 mjarantilla
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Y'know, I wasn't asking for just good stories. I was asking for a specific kind of story. Historic, and maybe heavy in politics and intrigue.
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#46 NAPK1NS
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Check out Final Fantasy XII. The War of the Lions is actually set in the same universe as FFXII. I think you would really enjoy it's story.
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KoTOR, Final Fantasy XII, Suikoden, Advance Wars: Days of Ruin, Xenogears, Persona 2 and 3

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]Mass Effect has one of...if not the best...story of any game I've ever played.majadamus

Agreed. The novel was decent too.

I'm sorry, did you just suggest an Advance Wars game? :|

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Fallout.
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Tales of Symphonia

On the surface, its a generic save the world plot, but it soon becomes really invilved and complciated - the sort of game you have to play twice to fully understand. Characters are done really well. I'm currently replaying it - brilliant game.