anyone think MS is....

can't decide wether it should support PC or not? I mean look at the recent rumours:

Spartan, http://kotaku.com/5582009/ex+age-of-empires-devs-working-on-microsoft-strategy-gamebears a great resemblence to AoE- and is PC only

Fable 3- announced for PC

Alan Wake rumoured to be comming to PC

Mechwarrior coming to both 360 and PC

yet the shot down ACES and Ensemble.

I mean every new update I see about MS thier target audience gets bigger, Kinect, XBLA 360 and nowin a bizzare twist of fate their comming back to PC?

I seriously think MS needs to step up thier 1st party they killed the PC part and replaced it with kinect, XBLA, and 360. I think MS should go back to thier PC roots I mean anyone remember Black & White,AoE,and age of mythology? MS was almost king of RTS (without counting SC) Its good to see a turn around though.

They do Windows. They do Direct X. That's enough PC support for me.

Yes, it was bad they dropped FS. But, I'm not going to cry about it. There are plenty of other games.

MS as a company knows exactly what they are doing.Last generation they where terrified that Sony was going to dominate livingrooms with all inclusive entertainment packages. MS knew this was going to be a huge market so they jumped into the home console market in an effort to eat into Sony's market share. Last generation was a train wreck as they got basically run over by the PS2. They where quick to move on a quick release strategy that has so far paid off because of PS3's blu-ray drive delays (if you remember the PS3 was supposed to be released near the same time as the 360) and a high price at launch.MS and Nintendo have both accomplished their goals this generation of eating into Sony's market share.

Also, I rather see MS keep its nose out of making PC games because then, other game developers will be seen as competition and you know how that goes. I'm already suspicious at how every MS game* (dating back from 1997) I have works great with Win 7 while many of the older ones from other developers crashed and burned.

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* Most, except FSX and CFS3, have never ever seen a patch to boot and the patches for the two mentioned were not OS-related.

can't decide wether it should support PC or not? I mean look at the recent rumours:

Spartan, http://kotaku.com/5582009/ex+age-of-empires-devs-working-on-microsoft-strategy-gamebears a great resemblence to AoE- and is PC only

Fable 3- announced for PC

Alan Wake rumoured to be comming to PC

Mechwarrior coming to both 360 and PC

yet the shot down ACES and Ensemble.

I mean every new update I see about MS thier target audience gets bigger, Kinect, XBLA 360 and nowin a bizzare twist of fate their comming back to PC?

I seriously think MS needs to step up thier 1st party they killed the PC part and replaced it with kinect, XBLA, and 360. I think MS should go back to thier PC roots I mean anyone remember Black & White,AoE,and age of mythology? MS was almost king of RTS (without counting SC) Its good to see a turn around though.

mayceV

Their strategy is perfect imo, they support PC with new DX, Windows and now they have conquered the HD living room too, and from now on makes perfect sense to support both PC and 360 equally and let gamers decide what they want to use

It is a win-win situation for them, keep both sides happy and be the leader in both as well

After all, PC and consoles target a totally differeny audience

can't decide wether it should support PC or not? I mean look at the recent rumours:

Spartan, http://kotaku.com/5582009/ex+age-of-empires-devs-working-on-microsoft-strategy-gamebears a great resemblence to AoE- and is PC only

Fable 3- announced for PC

Alan Wake rumoured to be comming to PC

Mechwarrior coming to both 360 and PC

yet the shot down ACES and Ensemble.

I mean every new update I see about MS thier target audience gets bigger, Kinect, XBLA 360 and nowin a bizzare twist of fate their comming back to PC?

I seriously think MS needs to step up thier 1st party they killed the PC part and replaced it with kinect, XBLA, and 360. I think MS should go back to thier PC roots I mean anyone remember Black & White,AoE,and age of mythology? MS was almost king of RTS (without counting SC) Its good to see a turn around though.

mayceV

MS games studios has nothing to do with Black and White.

Age of Mythology is not that great and RTS is MUCH bigger than AoE 1.

They make alot more money on the Xbox

thats why they dont care about PC

simple as that really

They make alot more money on the Xbox

thats why they dont care about PC

simple as that really

Ultizer

Especially since PC/360 games sell so many millions on 360

They would be crazy not to give them to PC too, that only brings more 360 customers actually

They should focus more on getting 360 exclusives, PC gets enough as it is, PC can wait...

They should focus more on getting 360 exclusives, PC gets enough as it is, PC can wait...

mitu123

Why do that ?

If PC got all 360 customers, then we would not see millions of sales on 360 fo PC/360 games

MS knows people buy 360 games in millions even if are on PC, so makes perfect sense to support PC too since noone really cares for exclusives, just for games

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

They should focus more on getting 360 exclusives, PC gets enough as it is, PC can wait...

a_simple_gamer

Why do that ?

They should focus more on getting 360 exclusives, PC gets enough as it is, PC can wait...

mitu123

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

They should focus more on getting 360 exclusives, PC gets enough as it is, PC can wait...

Why do that ?

MS's problem is they have no vision or love for any of this, all they care about is money, so they end up being sloppy and confused. So contrary to what a lot of people like to say around here not all companies are the same, they all want your money, but they are not all the same. Sony and Nintendo both show they know where they want to go, they have a much healtier approach to it all.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

They should focus more on getting 360 exclusives, PC gets enough as it is, PC can wait...

mayceV

I think they release games on PC to make more sales for 360, this is why Halo, Fable, Gears go to PC, but not every one of them

I bet Fable 4 wont be on PC, i think that is their strategy

Anyone that wants Halo and Gears and played them on PC, will now jump to 360 for them, same for Fable 2 and Fable 4 later etc

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Why do that ?

mayceV

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

They should focus more on getting 360 exclusives, PC gets enough as it is, PC can wait...

mayceV

MS's problem is they have no vision or love for any of this, all they care about is money, so they end up being sloppy and confused. So contrary to what a lot of people like to say around here not all companies are the same, they all want your money, but they are not all the same. Sony and Nintendo both show they know where they want to go, they have a much healtier approach to it all.

TehNubTuber

Is that why Wii is not HD and PS3 behind 360 ?

It is simple, MS was a PC company, why do you think they should not focus on PC as much as on 360 ? Both are viable abd importnat platforms for them, and it is not like PC gamers dont need love from anyone

I can see them focus on both in future equally and makes perfect sense. Meanwhile i only feel MS is doig the best for its gamers

Alan Wake, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Fable 2-3, Project Kingdoms, Kingdom Under Fire 2, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales, Kameo, Banjo 3, Witcher 2, Gears 1-2-3

for just 149$ !!!!!

I can see both vision there and a total lack of interest in our money as much as the 300$ PS3 or the non HD Wii for 199$

[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"]

MS's problem is they have no vision or love for any of this, all they care about is money, so they end up being sloppy and confused. So contrary to what a lot of people like to say around here not all companies are the same, they all want your money, but they are not all the same. Sony and Nintendo both show they know where they want to go, they have a much healtier approach to it all.

a_simple_gamer

Is that why Wii is not HD and PS3 behind 360 ?

It is simple, MS was a PC company, why do you think they should not focus on PC as much as on 360 ? Both are viable abd importnat platforms for them, and it is not like PC gamers dont need love from anyone

I can see them focus on both in future equally and makes perfect sense. Meanwhile i only feel MS is doig the best for its gamers

Alan Wake, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Fable 2-3, Project Kingdoms, Kingdom Under Fire 2, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales, Kameo, Banjo 3, Witcher 2, Gears 1-2-3

for just 149$ !!!!!

I can see both vision there and a total lack of interest in our money as much as the 300$ PS3 or the non HD Wii for 199$

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"]

MS's problem is they have no vision or love for any of this, all they care about is money, so they end up being sloppy and confused. So contrary to what a lot of people like to say around here not all companies are the same, they all want your money, but they are not all the same. Sony and Nintendo both show they know where they want to go, they have a much healtier approach to it all.

TehNubTuber

Is that why Wii is not HD and PS3 behind 360 ?

It is simple, MS was a PC company, why do you think they should not focus on PC as much as on 360 ? Both are viable abd importnat platforms for them, and it is not like PC gamers dont need love from anyone

I can see them focus on both in future equally and makes perfect sense. Meanwhile i only feel MS is doig the best for its gamers

Alan Wake, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Fable 2-3, Project Kingdoms, Kingdom Under Fire 2, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales, Kameo, Banjo 3, Witcher 2, Gears 1-2-3

for just 149$ !!!!!

I can see both vision there and a total lack of interest in our money as much as the 300$ PS3 or the non HD Wii for 199$

I am not "closing my eyes" to anything, these are actually some of my best games and most wanted coming ones, no matter if they are not exclusive or reviewers dont like them

That is what opinion and personal taste is for

149$ is the Arcade that plays all games and you can use any USB stick to play any XBLA game too, you dont need to spend a dollar more, or 10$ for a USB stick if someone really not has one

BTW, you downplayed all the best 360 games, you think this actually makes your post stronger ?

MS's problem is they have no vision or love for any of this, all they care about is money, so they end up being sloppy and confused. So contrary to what a lot of people like to say around here not all companies are the same, they all want your money, but they are not all the same. Sony and Nintendo both show they know where they want to go, they have a much healtier approach to it all.

TehNubTuber

so pumping loads of money into quality titles is bad? what does sony and nintendo do then? MS supports thier 1st party well, its just that is puny and really has little talent eyond Rare, Lionhead, and Turn 10. They are expanding it its now a laughable 9 studios, yup only 9 better than it was back in the begining of 09 (5 studios). MS is just in the middle of a big gamble right now, (kinect) one I wish they didn't take, and have to focous on not screwing it up , though I think it will be a success with casuals its gonna suck for me. They are buying and supporting New IPs I mean just here they have 2 new ones for 2011 a reboot of Mechwarior and Alan Wake, a new IP this year. Yeah I hate what happened to Rare but that's our fault and now it over, they said the aren't full Kinect so that leaves some hope. T10 has been the best console sim makers this gen and GT5 probably won't change it since in the time it took them to make one game T10 has mad 3 AAA's. mayceV

If it took 2 years for a young unexperienced studio Turn 10 to make a racing game like Forza 2 to an inferior console. Imagine how great GT5 will be.

Mechwarrior = Transformers the game in quality and Alan Wake sold bad.

There you go little MS fox.

"Alan Wake, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Fable 2-3, Project Kingdoms, Kingdom Under Fire 2, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales, Kameo, Banjo 3, Witcher 2, Gears 1-2-3"

Mass Effect (360)1 was buggy ME 2 was just a big cliff hanger. Fable 2 was a catastrophe

Kingdom under fire 2 andThe Witcher 2 has NOTHING to to with MS.

[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"]

MS's problem is they have no vision or love for any of this, all they care about is money, so they end up being sloppy and confused. So contrary to what a lot of people like to say around here not all companies are the same, they all want your money, but they are not all the same. Sony and Nintendo both show they know where they want to go, they have a much healtier approach to it all.

Ensamheten

so pumping loads of money into quality titles is bad? what does sony and nintendo do then? MS supports thier 1st party well, its just that is puny and really has little talent eyond Rare, Lionhead, and Turn 10. They are expanding it its now a laughable 9 studios, yup only 9 better than it was back in the begining of 09 (5 studios). MS is just in the middle of a big gamble right now, (kinect) one I wish they didn't take, and have to focous on not screwing it up , though I think it will be a success with casuals its gonna suck for me. They are buying and supporting New IPs I mean just here they have 2 new ones for 2011 a reboot of Mechwarior and Alan Wake, a new IP this year. Yeah I hate what happened to Rare but that's our fault and now it over, they said the aren't full Kinect so that leaves some hope. T10 has been the best console sim makers this gen and GT5 probably won't change it since in the time it took them to make one game T10 has mad 3 AAA's. mayceV

If it took 2 years for a young unexperienced studio Turn 10 to make a racing game like Forza 2 to an inferior console. Imagine how great GT5 will be.

Mechwarrior = Transformers the game in quality and Alan Wake sold bad.

There you go little MS fox.

"Alan Wake, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Fable 2-3, Project Kingdoms, Kingdom Under Fire 2, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales, Kameo, Banjo 3, Witcher 2, Gears 1-2-3"

Mass Effect (360)1 was buggy ME 2 was just a big cliff hanger. Fable 2 was a catastrophe

Kingdom under fire 2 andThe Witcher 2 has NOTHING to to with MS.

The Demon SOul that also has 88% average is a catastrophe too ?

A 9.5/10 is a cliff hanger ?

Ok, that is what opinions are for, they are my best games this generation, including Alan Wake

At least 360 lineup is not full of linear, short, repeatitve, shallow games that are over in half a day

it's a win win for them. but it would be more win if the games stayed as x360 exclusives. Thank God 3rd party always make 360/PC games.

The Demon SOul that also has 88% average is a catastrophe too ?

A 9.5/10 is a cliff hanger ?

Ok, that is what opinions are for, they are my best games this generation, including Alan Wake

At least 360 lineup is not full of linear, short, repeatitve, shallow games that are over in half a day

a_simple_gamer

MShas obviously bribed everyone. When they rated ME1 they didn't even mention the epic graphic lags or therepetative side quests.

You are a fanboy and this conversation won't get anywhere further I'm afraid.

yeah it is.[QUOTE="Ensamheten"]

[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"]

MS's problem is they have no vision or love for any of this, all they care about is money, so they end up being sloppy and confused. So contrary to what a lot of people like to say around here not all companies are the same, they all want your money, but they are not all the same. Sony and Nintendo both show they know where they want to go, they have a much healtier approach to it all.

UnArguably

so pumping loads of money into quality titles is bad? what does sony and nintendo do then? MS supports thier 1st party well, its just that is puny and really has little talent eyond Rare, Lionhead, and Turn 10. They are expanding it its now a laughable 9 studios, yup only 9 better than it was back in the begining of 09 (5 studios). MS is just in the middle of a big gamble right now, (kinect) one I wish they didn't take, and have to focous on not screwing it up , though I think it will be a success with casuals its gonna suck for me. They are buying and supporting New IPs I mean just here they have 2 new ones for 2011 a reboot of Mechwarior and Alan Wake, a new IP this year. Yeah I hate what happened to Rare but that's our fault and now it over, they said the aren't full Kinect so that leaves some hope. T10 has been the best console sim makers this gen and GT5 probably won't change it since in the time it took them to make one game T10 has mad 3 AAA's. mayceV

If it took 2 years for a young unexperienced studio Turn 10 to make a racing game like Forza 2 to an inferior console. Imagine how great GT5 will be.

Mechwarrior = Transformers the game in quality and Alan Wake sold bad.

There you go little MS fox.

"Alan Wake, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Fable 2-3, Project Kingdoms, Kingdom Under Fire 2, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales, Kameo, Banjo 3, Witcher 2, Gears 1-2-3"

Mass Effect (360)1 was buggy ME 2 was just a big cliff hanger. Fable 2 was a catastrophe

Kingdom under fire 2 andThe Witcher 2 has NOTHING to to with MS.

Age of Mythology is not that greatEnsamheten

MS doesn't own MechWarrior anymore.

I'm sure they signed off on the IP that it couldn't grace any platforms outside of 360/PC anyhow.

if not, it's just because it's an unknown publisher AND developer. they won't make any money devving on PS3. it's unnecessary risk.

does any PC/360 game sells better on the PC?

MS doesn't own MechWarrior anymore.

I'm sure they signed off on the IP that it couldn't grace any platforms outside of 360/PC anyhow.

if not, it's just because it's an unknown publisher AND developer. they won't make any money devving on PS3. it's unnecessary risk.

[QUOTE="Ensamheten"]Age of Mythology is not that greatUnArguably

does any PC/360 game sells better on the PC?

gamer-adam1

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

does any PC/360 game sells better on the PC?

mayceV

Not with the piracy

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

The Demon SOul that also has 88% average is a catastrophe too ?

A 9.5/10 is a cliff hanger ?

Ok, that is what opinions are for, they are my best games this generation, including Alan Wake

At least 360 lineup is not full of linear, short, repeatitve, shallow games that are over in half a day

Ensamheten

MShas obviously bribed everyone. When they rated ME1 they didn't even mention the epic graphic lags or therepetative side quests.

You are a fanboy and this conversation won't get anywhere further I'm afraid.

It is better when games are fun to play than not, and Fable 2 is one of the most fun to play for me this generation, that is why has got same score as Demon Soul and after 250 reviews too and not below 100

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

MS doesn't own MechWarrior anymore.

I'm sure they signed off on the IP that it couldn't grace any platforms outside of 360/PC anyhow.

if not, it's just because it's an unknown publisher AND developer. they won't make any money devving on PS3. it's unnecessary risk.

mayceV

MS isn't publishing it at all. It's Smith and Tinker, headed by the original creator of the MechWarrior IP. he got the Shadowrun IP back from MS to boot.

unless you're agreeing that they contractually bound them to at least stay within the PC/360 boundaries. then yeah, it's sort of like supporting the PC/360 at the same time.

though they (MS) were gracious enough to release the MechWarrior they had published for free (hope that helps ruin agenda of the fanboys attacking you right now;))

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

does any PC/360 game sells better on the PC?

mayceV

probably but I guess people think the 360 is a limited PC gaming. I own both, and probably 9/10 times I will probably get the game for the 360, theres just too many things I can do on the PC that would make me only want to buy the games on the PC.

Windows != PC

(SNIP)

Ensamheten

You don't know the PC industry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_compatible

No mass-market personal computer hardware vendor dared to be incompatible with the latest version of Windows, and Microsoft's annual WinHEC conferences provided a setting in which Microsoft can lobby for and -in some cases- dictate the pace and direction of the hardware side of the PC industry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_600

On PowerPC 615 X86-32-to-POWER upgrade path. PowerPC 615 is an X86-32/PowerPC hybrid.

The processor was only produced in prototype examples and the program was killed in part by the fact that Microsoft would probably never give support for the processor

Microsoft's supported thier ex-DEC buddies at AMD i.e. AMD64. Should I give you a history on this?

I haven't started on

1. MS ACPI tables vs Non-MS ACPI tables and Linux issues.

2. MS's High Performance Timers requirements on modern PC motherboards.

3. ACPI "standard" was designed by Intel, Microsoft and Toshiba.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

The Demon SOul that also has 88% average is a catastrophe too ?

A 9.5/10 is a cliff hanger ?

Ok, that is what opinions are for, they are my best games this generation, including Alan Wake

At least 360 lineup is not full of linear, short, repeatitve, shallow games that are over in half a day

Ensamheten

MShas obviously bribed everyone. When they rated ME1 they didn't even mention the epic graphic lags or therepetative side quests.

You are a fanboy and this conversation won't get anywhere further I'm afraid.

oh man...fanboys are terrible....

MS payed for ME1's 8.5:lol:

Also, I rather see MS keep its nose out of making PC games because then, other game developers will be seen as competition and you know how that goes. I'm already suspicious at how every MS game* (dating back from 1997) I have works great with Win 7 while many of the older ones from other developers crashed and burned.

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* Most, except FSX and CFS3, have never ever seen a patch to boot and the patches for the two mentioned were not OS-related.

jun_aka_pekto

In my opinion, No one should have left us PC gamers alone. It was rather hurtful :( and not just becuase they stopped making games for PC per se, But the PC is the only reason they are an existing company making that money. So, If they bring more stuff to PC M$ might just become a decent company again in my mind.Lost-Memory

They have brought Fable 3, Kinect, Gears 1 etc, so they always support PC, just want to maximize sales of 360 though too

MS does not see PC as competition at all, more like as its other platform

[QUOTE="Ensamheten"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

The Demon SOul that also has 88% average is a catastrophe too ?

A 9.5/10 is a cliff hanger ?

Ok, that is what opinions are for, they are my best games this generation, including Alan Wake

At least 360 lineup is not full of linear, short, repeatitve, shallow games that are over in half a day

MShas obviously bribed everyone. When they rated ME1 they didn't even mention the epic graphic lags or therepetative side quests.

You are a fanboy and this conversation won't get anywhere further I'm afraid.

oh man...fanboys are terrible....

MS payed for ME1's 8.5:lol:

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

[QUOTE="Ensamheten"]It's better if games are too hard than too easy. You can't even die in Fable 2.

MShas obviously bribed everyone. When they rated ME1 they didn't even mention the epic graphic lags or therepetative side quests.

You are a fanboy and this conversation won't get anywhere further I'm afraid.

mayceV

oh man...fanboys are terrible....

MS payed for ME1's 8.5:lol:

I am sure that if they paid, would be for a 10/10

[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="HavocV3"]

oh man...fanboys are terrible....

MS payed for ME1's 8.5:lol:

a_simple_gamer

I am sure that if they paid, would be for a 10/10

I'm assuming it's part of pushing Windows 7.

I'm assuming it's part of pushing Windows 7.

shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Also, I rather see MS keep its nose out of making PC games because then, other game developers will be seen as competition and you know how that goes. I'm already suspicious at how every MS game* (dating back from 1997) I have works great with Win 7 while many of the older ones from other developers crashed and burned.

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* Most, except FSX and CFS3, have never ever seen a patch to boot and the patches for the two mentioned were not OS-related.

93soccer

I thought that too and if it's strictly that then it's fine. But knowing MS, they can leverage that advantage and muscle out other developers who they deem as competitors. It wouldn't be the first time.

[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

does any PC/360 game sells better on the PC?

a_simple_gamer

Not with the piracy

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