Are casuals ruining gaming?

You lower the complexity you lower the quality.

Well, to be fair the problem is th Devs trying to appeal to casuals that are the problem, most casuals wouldnt play the games anyways, and by dumbing down the devs are not exactly expanding thier userbase, they gain new people, at the cost of the old fans who feels thier beloved franchices have been destroyied (and no it is not a strong word).

It is worse yet when it is an established franchise which gets dumbed down and alienates the entire fanbase, just so they could get a bigger number of potential customers, this ofcourse again at the cost of thier fans who Often feels outright betrayed since they basicly were the ones who made it possible to get the sequals, through them buing the games.

Well maybe the Pubs moreso then the devs all things considered.

Casuals? No, they are just existing. The companies trying to go for the casuals are the ones ruining gaming.

You lower the complexity you lower the quality.

Jebus213

If it wasn't for all the casuals buying games the industry would be very small.

Yes, casual are ruining the industry... and World Economy.

You lower the complexity you lower the quality.

Jebus213

pretty dumb thing to say just because there are people who can't handle the 10+ buttons needed to play a game doesn't mean they shouldnt be able to enjoy videogames. I have a lot of friends who like videogames but stay away because some games have just become too complex...it's good to see i can invite my friends over to play FIFA 11 and they can do ok playing the simple controller set up while i do the regular set up.

A lot of people call themselves hardcore and hate casual games because they are simple and easy to play...but Im pretty sure Super Mario Bros and Duck Hunt were not long complex games.

pretty dumb thing to say just because there are people who can't handle the 10+ buttons needed to play a game doesn't mean they shouldnt be able to enjoy videogames. I have a lot of friends who like videogames but stay away because some games have just become too complex...it's good to see i can invite my friends over to play FIFA 11 and they can do ok playing the simple controller set up while i do the regular set up.

A lot of people call themselves hardcore and hate casual games because they are simple and easy to play...but Im pretty sure Super Mario Bros and Duck Hunt were not long complex games.

CheveLoco

You lower the complexity you lower the quality.

Jebus213

this is the most ridiculous thing i've read today.

This industry would be 10 times smaller without these so called casuals.

They are keeping it alive with sales...and that's about it.

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You lower the complexity you lower the quality.

lazerface216

this is the most ridiculous thing i've read today.

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You lower the complexity you lower the quality.

Ravensmash

You confuse complexity with difficulty.

I think the more appropriate word would be depth.

You lower the complexity you lower the quality.

Jebus213

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You lower the complexity you lower the quality.

Remmib

You confuse complexity with difficulty.

I think the more appropriate word would be depth.

Even then, added depth doesn't necessarily make a better game. ME1 was deeper than ME2, but I, and most critics, enjoyed ME2 more.DarthBilf

Critics? Lol what a joke.

I'm only a couple hours into ME2 and I can already see it has been streamlined and casualized to cater to the mainstream consolite audience.

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You lower the complexity you lower the quality.

Ravensmash

If you compare games a few last years to now you will notice that everything is 20x easier and is spoon feeding you. For example, fighting games are being destroyed because developers have to make their games simple so people who will only play the game for a few days and button mash their way the whole time, get the trophies and, sell the game will buy it. (MVC3 Sentinel is a recent example, you don't need to learn anything just mash circle and do a basic combo and Doom's assist. LVL 3 XFC will most likely give u a win if the opponent makes just ONE mistake) Tons of casual gamers buy COD every single year regardless of what little changes there are and ignore the problems such as the obvious bad hit detection. I could write hundreds of paragraphs giving examples of games dumbing down but i'm sure you guys get the point. I think casual games should stay on PSN/XBL and the App store/handhelds Does anyone else agree?xKeiji

that is so true. i shot someone in the head 9 times and he kills me by shooting my leg.

You do know tc that casuals have outnumbered ""core"" gamers 2000/1 since the begining right"?

I think games are getting better, people seem to remember games being better then they actually were, and the new games dont measure up, I dont agree with that at all. If anything the so called "hardcore" are ruining at least this forum with all the whining, STFU and play the game or dont, doesnt matter to me just stfu

Pretty much, casual gamers have made developers lazy.

Just like they've been runing gaming since the NES and the introduction of mass console gaming. ;)

I have a question..........

I see the words casual and CoD get lumped up a lot. Say a person buys 360 and BLOPS because he wants to play with his friends. The guy plays with his buddies night in and night out. He has thousands of kills, and has prestiged a dozen times............this guy is considered a casual gamer?

Well, I myself being a 360 gamer I believe so, yes. With th release of kinect (Which isn't actually that good IMO) Microsoft started focusing more on casual gamers whilst leaving people like me and most other 360 gamers with crap like Call of Duty thinking that's going to satisfy us. Their focusing Kinectamals and stupid @#! like that because It's what casuals want. I'm going to migrate to PC gaming soon. Where people like me can enjoy good games without casuals ruining it for us.

Yes, only becuase devs now that they can half way do a game and it will still sell to the people who don't game enough to give a crap. Its the hardcore audience the serious gamer, who is getting the figer.

If you compare games a few last years to now you will notice that everything is 20x easier and is spoon feeding you. For example, fighting games are being destroyed because developers have to make their games simple so people who will only play the game for a few days and button mash their way the whole time, get the trophies and, sell the game will buy it. (MVC3 Sentinel is a recent example, you don't need to learn anything just mash circle and do a basic combo and Doom's assist. LVL 3 XFC will most likely give u a win if the opponent makes just ONE mistake) Tons of casual gamers buy COD every single year regardless of what little changes there are and ignore the problems such as the obvious bad hit detection. I could write hundreds of paragraphs giving examples of games dumbing down but i'm sure you guys get the point. I think casual games should stay on PSN/XBL and the App store/handhelds Does anyone else agree?xKeiji

justin wong has shown that sentinel can be destroyed by teleport characters such as wesker and dante, zero can infinite combo sentinel with one meter, and characters with instant overheads can destroy sentinel (like wolverine). step your game up.

Pretty much, casual gamers have made developers lazy.

Dahaka-UK

Well, I myself being a 360 gamer I believe so, yes. With th release of kinect (Which isn't actually that good IMO) Microsoft started focusing more on casual gamers whilst leaving people like me and most other 360 gamers with crap like Call of Duty thinking that's going to satisfy us. Their focusing Kinectamals and stupid @#! like that because It's what casuals want. I'm going to migrate to PC gaming soon. Where people like me can enjoy good games without casuals ruining it for us.

DmadFearmonger

you guys think im joking when i said big bird is the new supreme overlord of the 360.get read to worship the bird bro

I have a question..........

I see the words casual and CoD get lumped up a lot. Say a person buys 360 and BLOPS because he wants to play with his friends. The guy plays with his buddies night in and night out. He has thousands of kills, and has prestiged a dozen times............this guy is considered a casual gamer?

bez2083

Talking about a casual GAME (versus a casual gamer) might refer to the amount of time/depth of gameplay it takes to learn how the game plays. For example, you can pretty much understand how Call of Duty works straight away.

Anyone who belittles another for their choice of game system are the one's ruining gaming. That would basically be everyone here in System Wars. :P

Congratz everyone, we all helped make gaming horrible since NOTHING can possibly be good anymore!

Unless you get a pay check for gaming you're a casual gamer.i5750at4Ghz

Unless you get a pay check for gaming you're a casual gamer.i5750at4Ghz

Co-Sign!! I get tired of seeing people on here use those words as if by some magical decree, their personal pref, and/or $$ is more valuable than those they call "casual"

Just be content with being a GAMER........................Unless you are this guy..........

[QUOTE="DarthBilf"]Even then, added depth doesn't necessarily make a better game. ME1 was deeper than ME2, but I, and most critics, enjoyed ME2 more.Remmib

Critics? Lol what a joke.

I'm only a couple hours into ME2 and I can already see it has been streamlined and casualized to cater to the mainstream consolite audience.

[QUOTE="xKeiji"]If you compare games a few last years to now you will notice that everything is 20x easier and is spoon feeding you. For example, fighting games are being destroyed because developers have to make their games simple so people who will only play the game for a few days and button mash their way the whole time, get the trophies and, sell the game will buy it. (MVC3 Sentinel is a recent example, you don't need to learn anything just mash circle and do a basic combo and Doom's assist. LVL 3 XFC will most likely give u a win if the opponent makes just ONE mistake) Tons of casual gamers buy COD every single year regardless of what little changes there are and ignore the problems such as the obvious bad hit detection. I could write hundreds of paragraphs giving examples of games dumbing down but i'm sure you guys get the point. I think casual games should stay on PSN/XBL and the App store/handhelds Does anyone else agree?Shielder7

+15 for the Tiger Blood reference

It's hard to blame the casuals simply for enjoying something, we should blame the devs who make them.

Loads of games this gen have been sellouts to the fan base:

RE5

SC Conviction

MGS Rising

Socom 4

DMC

etc.