Are gamers ungrateful? [Reggie and the Wii-U]

Fils-Aime: One of the things that, on one hand, I love and, on the other hand, that troubles me tremendously about not only our fanbase but about the gaming community at large is that, whenever you share information, the perspective is, 'Thank you, but I want more.' 'Thank you, but give me more.' I mean, it is insatiable.

"And so for years this community has been asking, 'Where's Pikmin?' 'Where's Pikmin?' 'Where's Pikmin?' We give them Pikmin. And then they say, 'What else?'

"For years, this community have said, 'Damnit Reggie, when you launch, you better launch with a Mario game.' So we launch with a Mario game, and they say, 'So what's more?'

"I have heard people say, 'You know, you've got these fantastic franchises, beyond what you're doing in Smash Bros., isn't there a way to leverage all these franchises?' So we create Nintendo Land and they say, 'Ho-hum, give me more.' So it's an interesting challenge."

http://kotaku.com/5920572/the-trouble-with-the-never+satisfied-gamer

I'm not sure. Sure, as a community we can be a bunch of **** at times/more often than not, but I don't think that Reggie quite have understood what it is gamers actually want. We've already seen several Mario games on the Wii/DS/3DS, Pikmin was more or less expected by now and NintendoLand is.. lulzy.. People wanted to see more AAA original titles and have Mario as the back-bone title and Pikmin as the return of a "classic".

I wouldn't exactly say that the Wii U launch is bad, but similar to the PS Vita it doesn't really wow anyone. I'm sure, however, the Wii-U will be fine, but I doubt I'll pick it up, unless of course Nintendo is going to somehow surprise me, something which I doubt they'll do.

inb4uall

and I think people really wanted an HD zelda games and Smash bros info :P

Guess what Reggie? That applies to most jobs, especially so in the entertainment field. You just gotta let that sh*t slide and keep doing the best job you can.

reggie fails to understand the difference between NSMBU and a real Mario game. Either is damage control or he really doesn't understand the difference between a core Mario game and a casual mario game.

I personally wasn't expecting a Mario at launch so its not a problem for me. As Iwata put it its better to slowly release these things over time instead of all at once.

Guess what Reggie? That applies to most jobs, especially so in the entertainment field. You just gotta let that sh*t slide and keep doing the best job you can.

Wiimotefan

Yes they are. Blizzard gives us one of da best games of the gen (Diablo 3) and all gamers do is b*tch. *sigh* I don't want to refer to myself as a gamer anymore. The term feels like it should be reserved for spoiled douche bags with a false sense of entitlement.

no offense, Reggie but pikmin was never that big of a franchise sales wise and the new super mario bros 2 which doesn't look like it really takes advantage of the wii-u power is very dissapointing, the game looks like it belongs on the wii. Super mario galaxy 3 as a launch title would have been amazing. Your going to need more then old ports and old tricks to impress this gen.

Amen Reggie. You finally see the light.

In this case they aren't. The question wasn't only "Where's Pikmin?" it was really "Where's all those old franchises you guys have but refuse to use?" which is why people always ask "What else?" and as for the mario game, wow a mario game is coming, we so didn't know that was going to happen :|. People want to be surprised Pikmin wasn't even one, if you threw out a new starfox/metroid/fzero/ and maybe a good third party exclusive (any combination of two of those) people wouldn't even be asking questions.

I think that Fils-Aime well realises that one or two games don't make your entire E3 a success. In my personal experience, people were actually very hopeful over the conference when they announced Pikmin 3 at the beginning, going as far as to say Nintendo instantly won E3. But if you start on a high and subsequently offer bucketloads of information that the 'core gamer'* frankly just not really care about, you shouldn't be surprised when many of these gamers end up being disappointed by your conference as a whole.

Of course, there is no satisfying some people, but if you combine the reactions on forums such as this with the reception by the press, it's pretty safe to conclude that the disappointment had more to do with Nintendo failing to deliver enough news that is of interest to our demograph, than it did with gamers being insatiable.

*I mean core gamers in the sense of people who care enough about gaming to post their opinion about it on an internet message board

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Guess what Reggie? That applies to most jobs, especially so in the entertainment field. You just gotta let that sh*t slide and keep doing the best job you can.

danish-death

True, but I didnt really take it as Reggie being pissed... just a bit frustrated by the never ending battle.

But the thing is even if Nintendo put out a powerhouse machine rendering visuals on par with the top PC titles and managed to have a launch title for each major series under their belt along with a slew of new AAAE IPs and an overflow of 3rd party support... people would still say "cool, what else?"

There is no end to the tunnel so he shouldnt be bothered by it I guess is what I'm saying.

Oh and before anyone thinks this is a "leave Nintendo alone! :cry:" post, no, this applies to Sony and MS exactly the same.

Noone's forcing you to continue Reggie.

you're free to retire, if you feel it's not worth it.

Noone's forcing you to continue Reggie.

you're free to retire, if you feel it's not worth it.

MlauTheDaft

Not like you can please everyone, but hey, he likes the challenge. ShuichiChamp24

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

Noone's forcing you to continue Reggie.

you're free to retire, if you feel it's not worth it.

nintendoboy16

Sure he was complaining, or rather defensively reflecting criticism.

While he made sure not to be specific, he was obviously adressing the concerns and criticisms of the WiiU's power.

He should have kept his comments on consumers short, instead of venting his frustrations with consumers; it's just not proffesional, or even fair, in this situation.

He mention's the "too little, too late sentiments" concerning Pikmin.... Well, shut it Reggie! The fans who know Pikmin played it almost a decade ago, of course it's not going to be a megaton....

Edit:

Also...

"Fils-Aime:"It's not a question of understanding. I think people understood what we showed. It's the question of, as a gamer, 'Is this for me and something I can get excited about?' AndWii Fitdid not get that reaction. And yet 43-million copies around the world, it's a phenomenon. And so I would argue that the gaming community actually is unable to differentiate between a phenomenon and something that is 'ho-hum.'"

Me:"Until they play it.""

I see his point, but Nintendo made their own reputation in the past for blow-out-of-the-water E3's. PS. also not everyone's a fan of Pikmin.

Nintendo is getting as arrogant as Sony circa 2006.

If this is really all they can say after E3, it's worrying. Maybe they need a bad launch to wake them up, like with the 3DS.

Reggie gotta love the ridiculous, the guy's basically a spinning machine. How there are people that can take him seriously is beyond me because he's nothing more than a joke. An internet meme.

Not too long ago Iwata was saying how they didn't cater to the core with the Wii and that hey would do better with the Wii U while Reggie was on the other side saying the opposite (that they been always catering to the core since the Wii).

There is nothing to complain about when it comes to the launch window lineup, you can't expect EAD Tokyo / Retro games day 1, those are holiday 2013 titles.

It is the E3 that was disappointing because you expect to see those 2013 games at E3 2012, not mere months before they launch, we just have to get used to this new format from Nintendo :)

The problem is he's only meeting minimum standards. In school that would be a D-Eponique

The fact is this: Wii U's launch window is superb, their 2012 3DS lineup is stellar. What happens in 2013 has yet to be announced.

[Reggie and the Wii-U] instead must be thankful that there are audience that still supported the wii or any device...

I am a huge Nintendo fan and have much respect for Reggie but that statement is just laughable. Honestly just laughable. So by that premise, anytime someone asks for something and when they receive that product, it should be instantly satisfying? The answer is no...There is a word called, "execution," and that is what determines peoples appetite for any product. People want things to be either high caliber or from a unique prospective, none of which Pikmin, Mario Wii-U, and especially Nintendo Land exhibited.

Need examples? Look at Take2, Blizzard, Valve...ect. Developers that don't bother to give the audience quantities but rather the quality of their work. What everyone wanted from the E3 presentation and from Nintendo is that top quality "next-gen" (hate that term) looking title that really excite peoples interest. Instead we get Pikmin 2.5, Mario Wii-U which if they bothered to put the time and quality like 3D Mario games maybe, just maybe we might get a good 2d Mario platformer. At lastly Nintendo Land which is just looks pathetically sad. Where is the execution Reggie? Everyone sees rushed games, but where is the quality? It is just redundant, and I am somewhat glad Nintendo is feeling the heat under their ass because they really gotta step up their game. Just way too passive this year.

Yes they are. Blizzard gives us one of da best games of the gen (Diablo 3) and all gamers do is b*tch. *sigh* I don't want to refer to myself as a gamer anymore. The term feels like it should be reserved for spoiled douche bags with a false sense of entitlement.

Master_ShakeXXX

Nintendo is doing alot of pre-emptive damage control.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]The problem is he's only meeting minimum standards. In school that would be a D-SuperFlakeman

The fact is this: Wii U's launch window is superb, their 2012 3DS lineup is stellar. What happens in 2013 has yet to be announced.

It's "superb" is it?

Some certainly are, although in some cases some can be legitimetely dissatisfied.

But what are you going to do, the bigger something gets, the harder it is for the thing to please everyone.

Reggie's starting to come across as a bit of a douche.

Reggie's starting to come across as a bit of a douche.

GamingGod999

What do you want him to say? "Yeah, we suck."

If Nintendo would step their game up they wouldnt have to be doing so much damage control.

Yes, gamers are self entitled a-holes. We can't help it.

Noone's forcing you to continue Reggie.

you're free to retire, if you feel it's not worth it.

MlauTheDaft

I don't think Reggie's body is ready to retire just yet.

But he does have a point you can never please the consumer no matter how great of a job you do.

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

Noone's forcing you to continue Reggie.

you're free to retire, if you feel it's not worth it.

HaloPimp978

I don't think Reggie's body is ready to retire just yet.

But he does have a point you can never please the consumer no matter how great of a job you do.

Well gee Reggie, maybe if you showed more than two games that were worth half a damn maybe you wouldn't be getting all of this backlash.Shinobishyguy

The 2012 3DS lineup is stellar.

Wii U's launch window looks great and we know for a fact that there is more to come.

Agreed?

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[QUOTE="Eponique"]The problem is he's only meeting minimum standards. In school that would be a D-Chemical_Viking

The fact is this: Wii U's launch window is superb, their 2012 3DS lineup is stellar. What happens in 2013 has yet to be announced.

It's "superb" is it?

Definitely. Not often you see multiple games of high caliber near launch: Pikmin 3, NSMB U, Rayman Legends, Zombi U, P-100. Only positive things came from the press who got to try these games. I personally can't see myself affording all these retail games alone for Wii U considering the massive onslaught of 3DS games coming up, so for me this holiday is packed and my wallet is ready.

I thought message boards loved Rayman Origins, why is there no hype surrounding Rayman Legends? I remember GT's podcast thought it was one of the best games of the show, mostly because it showed something entirely fresh with its unique use of asymmetric gameplay. All I heard from posters was "lol, this is not a Wii U exclusive" instead of "I'm interested". The bias shines through.

That happens when you make s****y wii consoles

reggie your feeding ito the bait do what you do you cant please everyone