Are Halo 3's graphics really that bad? (56k a no no)

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#1 mutenpika
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The last topic I made was rather Cowish, so I feel obligated to do something for the Lemmings. I doubt the Sheep need my help at this point, seeing as how (at the moment) the world is their oyster.

So, onto the main point: what makes everyone think that Halo 3's graphics are so awful? I don't see their logic. Have they tried looking at what this alpha build actually LOOKS like? I doubt they've given it any scrutiny, or else the truth would be revealed: it's a quantum leap forward from Halo 2. Everything is better, higher-resolution, better-defined, and generally better looking.

As it stands, I find that the alpha is at least average Xbox 360 graphics, and that several other things about the game are supremely impressive: for example, the size of some of the multiplayer maps seems to dwarf even Halo 1's single-player arenas. The lighting and everything is very pretty and well done, if not particularly impressive technically. And have you seen the LoD? It's great! Textures are sharpboth up close and at a distance, and normal mapping, bump mapping, and specular maps seem to continue from a long way away. And I maintain that one of the magic touches will be decorators. You'll see...

I know there will be a lot of people who deny what I see as visible truth, so without further ado I present some screen grabs directly from Gametrailer's HD (not really) video, at 850x480 pixels. I'll try to analyze as I go.

Lookie at the lighting!

Take a look at the wall and the lighting. That's a nice use of Bloom, and the way the light source shows the normal mapping ALL OVER THE WALLS looks very nice. In addition, the lighting on the two red spartan models is great, and I think I can see some self-shadowing going on there. Finally, the models of the soldiers are significantly more detailed than Halo 2.

Ginormous Levels!

Can you beleive the size of that level that they're showing here? It's obviousy making use of that 512 MB of system RAM here. The shield effects look WAY better than Halo 2.

Pretty walls

Another good look at the spartan models from mid-range. As you can see, they're actually very detailed. The walls of the cavern look great with normal (or is it parallax in this case) mapping, especially where the light's coming through.

Cool Armor

Now this one's a real beauty, tech-wise. I got this right as the camera was clipping through a spartan's torso, and it shows a GREAT close-up of the armor at the highest LOD. Look at the detail of the bump-mapping! Frankly, it's incredible.

Textures and Lighitng1

Textures and Lighting2

These ones show great textures, specular, bump map detail, and lighting across the texture. How can you NOT think this is pretty?

Before the Man Cannon

Go ahead, scream "teh jaggies!" Honestly, these textures and stuff look great. It's all stylized, sure, but there's actually very little to bash specifically. In case your jaded perceptions don't see much, let's post a comparison shot from Halo 2 (in-video):

Halo 2. You see now?

Halo 2! You see now?

More Hugeness!

Here's some more gigantic enviornments.Bear in mind that most textures are actually placeholder from Halo 2, just at a much better LOD.

Don't shoot! I'm the guy who bought the flag!

Still looking good...

The teleporter sent me BACK IN TIME!

Look at that texture, with its bump map and specular, and tell me it's not gorgeous. Then look at the Spartan and tell me he's not well-done. If you can do that, take off your fnaboy goggles, grow a pair of eyes, and try again.

Apples must be the name of his cat!

Same thing with this one. With less texture tiling in some places, this would be a perfect scene.

It's a planet made entirely out of ice. It was REALLY ****ING COLD.

Take a look at those metal and ice textures... beautiful.

I wonder if Rooster teeth will a make a new series with Halo 3?

The ground's bump mapping is great, along with a lot of other things in the scene. Finally, Pixel-shaded distortion is old hat, but it looks great here nonetheless.

THIS DOESN'T SEEM PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE!

Finally, I leave you with this. Looks good all around.

 

Guys, think about this. If this is the type of stuff Bungie has in thier Alpha build, it's going to look INCREDIBLE in the final product. With the inclusion of even higher-resolution textures, even better lighting, more bump-mapping, greater optimization with the LoD, and lots of decorators, this game will be one beautiful current-generation product.

Bungie is right on track with this one, even if we do make them weep at their desks. Halo 3 will push the series into the next generation; yes, in graphics, but also in the stuff that really matters. And so, I declare my Halo 3 hype to be AAA. May I not be owned.

Good posting, my fellow system warriors!

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#2 reddemon502
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dang, god of war 2 looks better than that
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#3 -Maddog-
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dang, god of war 2 looks better than thatreddemon502

Can't agree more.  

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#4 web966
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[QUOTE="reddemon502"]dang, god of war 2 looks better than that-Maddog-

Can't agree more.  

No.

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#5 mutenpika
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dang, god of war 2 looks better than thatreddemon502

I doubt there was time for you to even skim what I had written between the time I posted and the time you posted. 

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#6 DoctorBunny
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dang, god of war 2 looks better than thatreddemon502

funny, what version are you playing. The one I own doesn't look nearly as good 

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#7 souledge474
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lets wait till the game comes out before you get your panties in a bunch.....
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#8 Rob2223
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[QUOTE="reddemon502"]dang, god of war 2 looks better than that-Maddog-

Can't agree more.  



go here: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25555503

 

o wait, you did. but you DIDNT BET ME.

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Why is Bungie afraid of polygons? Apparently to them Nextgen is Halo2 with high res textures, normal maps, and HDR lighting.
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#10 pundog
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Nicely done. I'd put those graphics on par with PDZ and the prettier stuff in Oblivion, which is pretty incredible for an alpha build that was built with the focus on gameplay over graphics.
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#11 Spartan070
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It looks great and I think everyone knows that, it's only that many are reluctant to admit it.  Great post TC.
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#12 deactivated-57d773aa56272
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All I can say is unimpressive.
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#13 abusedbunny
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theyre alright
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#14 Spartan070
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Why is Bungie afraid of polygons? Apparently to them Nextgen is Halo2 with high res textures, normal maps, and HDR lighting.pooonu

:?  What's the deal, Halo 2 had far fewer polygons than Halo and no one cared. 

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#15 tegovoltio
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Those aren't anything special, Halo 2 for PC looks somwhat like that. But I guess they will be upgrading them when the final game is out.
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#16 Viviath
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TC are you being serious or just mucking around? because some of those pics look like absolute crap :(
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#18 Spartan070
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Wow, look at that pic of Halo 2, really puts it into perspective just how much Halo 3 will improve.
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#19 Marka1700
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[QUOTE="reddemon502"]dang, god of war 2 looks better than that-Maddog-

Can't agree more.  

You wish, Ps2 coud't run any of the game shown in the screens by the TC, it might be able to, but at like 8-9 FPS. To many unsuported technologies to emulate.

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#20 renger6002
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wow, great post,

I didn't think I would give this out so early..... but here you go:

Congratz!

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They look okay, but I sure it will look better on the final build.
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#22 JiveT
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The most important thing about the post was how it showed HALO2 vs HALO3. Even with these multiplayer maps and no optimization the video makes it clear it runs a lot smoother and looks a lot better. It has the same basic graphic style but everything is pumped up. It doesn't look mindblowing but it does look next-gen especially with the dudes on the warthog driving by the trees.
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#23 -Maddog-
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[QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

[QUOTE="reddemon502"]dang, god of war 2 looks better than thatRob2223

Can't agree more.



go here: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25555503

 

o wait, you did. but you DIDNT BET ME.

 

lol, what ever makes you sleep at night. You=OWNED! 

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#24 StealthSting
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dang, god of war 2 looks better than thatreddemon502

 

GoW 2 doesn't even look better then Halo 2 and many other last gen titles on competitors consoles. People have definitely been overrating the graphics of the game recently, to the point where it gets tiring.   

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#25 mutenpika
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They look okay, but I sure it will look better on the final build.Wanderer5

That's my point in a nutshell: at the moment they don't look half bad, and give us a hint as to what they'll be implementing in the final release. Once the placeholder stuff is replaced with the real thing, they'll be downright jaw-dropping.

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#26 RoslindaleOne
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They look okay, but I sure it will look better on the final build.Wanderer5

They should be, cause the video is 2 years old.

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it looks better than halo 2 ( maybe on par wit pdz) but i wanna see how it looks now....
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#28 Spartan070
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[QUOTE="reddemon502"]dang, god of war 2 looks better than thatStealthSting

 

GoW 2 doesn't even look better then Halo 2 and many other last gen titles on competitors consoles. People have definitely been overrating the graphics of the game recently, to the point where it gets tiring.

Agreed 1000% 

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There's really nothing wrong with the graphics. The lighting, textures, and bumpmapping looks top-notch. The thing that makes Halo 3 look the way it does is that there's no detail in the levels. There's no foliage on the grass, the levels look bland, lack of an art-style, etc... What made Gears of War look so great wasn't just the sharp textures and superb lighting. It was the amount of detail that was put into the environments and characters. Nothing looks repetetive like it does in the Halo 3 footage. Let's hope the beta version is given more detail than the current version.
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#30 renger6002
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I never paid that much attention to Halo 3 screens cuz I knew it would turn out amazing at the end anyways.

but you showed some good evidence there! the textures look amazing in spots

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#31 DoctorBunny
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it looks better than halo 2 ( maybe on par wit pdz) but i wanna see how it looks now....killaj2786

Seriously, stop typing just to see yourself typing...

Or put down the drugs 

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#32 Spartan070
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The people that say it looks like Halo 2 need to go back and compare that Halo 2 pic with the teleporter to the alpha build Halo 3 pics. If they still think Halo 3 looks like Halo 2 then they need an immeadiate optometrist appointment.
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#33 Rob2223
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[QUOTE="Rob2223"][QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

[QUOTE="reddemon502"]dang, god of war 2 looks better than that-Maddog-

Can't agree more.



go here: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25555503

 

o wait, you did. but you DIDNT BET ME.

 

lol, what ever makes you sleep at night. You=OWNED! 



:| wow, you are a disgrace to cows.
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There's really nothing wrong with the graphics. The lighting, textures, and bumpmapping looks top-notch. The thing that makes Halo 3 look the way it does is that there's no detail in the levels. There's no foliage on the grass, the levels look bland, lack of an art-style, etc... What made Gears of War look so great wasn't just the sharp textures and superb lighting. It was the amount of detail that was put into the environments and characters. Nothing looks repetetive like it does in the Halo 3 footage. Let's hope the beta version is given more detail than the current version.16bitkevin

 

Yep thats the unreal engine for ya..to bad bungie isn't using it..and don't intend to go for the realistic look.  

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#35 pundog
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[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]They look okay, but I sure it will look better on the final build.mutenpika

That's my point in a nutshell: at the moment they don't look half bad, and give us a hint as to what they'll be implementing in the final release. Once the placeholder stuff is replaced with the real thing, they'll be downright jaw-dropping.

Exactly, do people actually think the 360's flagship title, that on its own is expected to sell millions of consoles, a game that's predecessor (halo 2) made more money in 24 hours than any blockbuster movie has in a weekend, is going to be shipped with graphics like the ones shown in the vidocs. If anything I think bungie is trying to underplay the graphics of Halo 3 just to shock people when they see how good looking it is. I mean EGM said Halo 3 will make you say "gears of what?"

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#36 Spartan070
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[QUOTE="killaj2786"]it looks better than halo 2 ( maybe on par wit pdz) but i wanna see how it looks now....DoctorBunny

Seriously, stop typing just to see yourself typing...

Or put down the drugs

:?  I don't get it...
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#37 -Maddog-
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[QUOTE="-Maddog-"][QUOTE="Rob2223"][QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

[QUOTE="reddemon502"]dang, god of war 2 looks better than thatRob2223

Can't agree more.



go here: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25555503

 

o wait, you did. but you DIDNT BET ME.

 

lol, what ever makes you sleep at night. You=OWNED!



:| wow, you are a disgrace to cows.

I'm sorry but untill someone prove me wrong..regarding the halo 2 and its visuals...i stand corrected. You lemmings have blind faith in the game..its sad. real sad.  

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There's really nothing wrong with the graphics. The lighting, textures, and bumpmapping looks top-notch. The thing that makes Halo 3 look the way it does is that there's no detail in the levels. There's no foliage on the grass, the levels look bland, lack of an art-style, etc... What made Gears of War look so great wasn't just the sharp textures and superb lighting. It was the amount of detail that was put into the environments and characters. Nothing looks repetetive like it does in the Halo 3 footage. Let's hope the beta version is given more detail than the current version.16bitkevin

I believe that they made an announcement about that. You just put your finger on what I've been saying too: decorators make a HUGE difference.

Fear not, however: Bungie has stated that there'll be decorators golare in the final product. 

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[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]

[QUOTE="killaj2786"]it looks better than halo 2 ( maybe on par wit pdz) but i wanna see how it looks now....Spartan070

Seriously, stop typing just to see yourself typing...

Or put down the drugs

:?  I don't get it...

neither do I :|

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#40 TekkenMaster606
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Alpha. Pre-Alpha. Sub-Alpha. Somewhere-close-to-Alpha. Eh, I don't care. You know it's going to look great. Regardless of it's supposed status.

 

After everything I've heard here. Apparently Halo 3 will be Alpha-something until the day it goes to press.  

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#41 Spartan070
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[QUOTE="16bitkevin"]There's really nothing wrong with the graphics. The lighting, textures, and bumpmapping looks top-notch. The thing that makes Halo 3 look the way it does is that there's no detail in the levels. There's no foliage on the grass, the levels look bland, lack of an art-style, etc... What made Gears of War look so great wasn't just the sharp textures and superb lighting. It was the amount of detail that was put into the environments and characters. Nothing looks repetetive like it does in the Halo 3 footage. Let's hope the beta version is given more detail than the current version.-Maddog-

 

Yep thats the unreal engine for ya..to bad bungie isn't using it..and don't intend to go for the realistic look.

They are using their own engine, as always.  UE3 is not necessary forgreat graphics.  Halo 3 will look very realistic as far as ruin, foilage and flauna goes.
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#42 SmoothMoved
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God of War 2 is more impressive than halo 3 . Heck the wii maybe even able to run that crap you lemmings call next gen .
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#43 tegovoltio
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I didn't find the Halo graphics spectacular, Ninja Gaiden looked better.
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#44 Spartan070
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God of War 2 is more impressive than halo 3 . Heck the wii maybe even able to run that crap you lemmings call next gen .SmoothMoved

:|

[contemplates on whether or not this is deserving of a retort...] 

 

...

 

 

Say what?  The Wii can't run any 360 game. 

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#45 ShakeNBake1491
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God of War 2 is more impressive than halo 3 . Heck the wii maybe even able to run that crap you lemmings call next gen .SmoothMoved


:| why don't you go bet the guy then?
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#46 Spartan070
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I didn't find the Halo graphics spectacular, Ninja Gaiden looked better.tegovoltio

You mean than Halo 2?  In that case I agree, pointing out that Ninja Gaiden also looked better than ALL other console games last gen... 

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#47 SmoothMoved
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[QUOTE="SmoothMoved"]God of War 2 is more impressive than halo 3 . Heck the wii maybe even able to run that crap you lemmings call next gen .ShakeNBake1491


:| why don't you go bet the guy then?

Cause I dont really care for him ? Dont have time to waste on his thread, thats why im making my statment here .
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#48 DoctorBunny
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You should of probably put an age limit of 16 for discussion, since the 12 and 13 yr olds seem to be trolling. hell even an 18 cap.

 

"but teh omg, gow2 looks teh awesome, i play version not releesed, looks much better, best looken game eva, betta then crysis and teh halo 3 combined!" 

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#49 pundog
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[QUOTE="ShakeNBake1491"][QUOTE="SmoothMoved"]God of War 2 is more impressive than halo 3 . Heck the wii maybe even able to run that crap you lemmings call next gen .SmoothMoved


:| why don't you go bet the guy then?

Cause I dont really care for him ? Dont have time to waste on his thread, thats why im making my statment here .

You don't have time to waste on his thread, but posted 2 either completely unintelligent or pointless ones in this thread? Sounds like someones a little scared of making a bet.
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#50 StealthSting
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God of War 2 is more impressive than halo 3 . Heck the wii maybe even able to run that crap you lemmings call next gen .SmoothMoved

 

Ahh what can a guy do. Perhaps it would have helped if you had any other console besides PS2 last gen. GoW2 isn't even the most impressive game graphically on the PS2 imo much less surpassing Halo 3.